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    COVID Hospital

    I came down with COVID and ended up being hospitalized in Moscow. Don't have the virus for a couple of weeks but I got hit pretty hard with COVID Pneumonia. Haven't been on any drastic oxygen treatment. Lots of drugs, steriods, antibiotics and other treatments. Gradually breathing better and O2 levels are coming up so I expect to be going home in a day or two. Otherwise I'm happy to stay here and continue the treatment. It is very professionally done. My wing of the hospital is brand new and up to the highest standards. The staff here and my own doctors are very well trained and organized. I am especially impressed by the head doctor.

    Everyone runs around in protective suits, covered from head to foot to protect themselves from COVID, looking like they are in hazmat suits. At first I was concerned about being hospitalized, now I know it was a good thing that I was.

    The interesting thing is that in our wing of the hospital there are few patients and not very many are coming in. It was pretty full when I got here, but is now emptying out. The wing I was staying here was just shut down and I had to move to a new room. All the remaining stragglers in one wing. I saw them, they are very elderly.

    It can only mean that at least over the past few days, the number of those being hospitalized is coming down, at least here. Does it reflect a larger trend? I think it could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xt-tsi View Post
    I came down with COVID and ended up being hospitalized in Moscow. Don't have the virus for a couple of weeks but I got hit pretty hard with COVID Pneumonia. Haven't been on any drastic oxygen treatment. Lots of drugs, steriods, antibiotics and other treatments. Gradually breathing better and O2 levels are coming up so I expect to be going home in a day or two. Otherwise I'm happy to stay here and continue the treatment. It is very professionally done. My wing of the hospital is brand new and up to the highest standards. The staff here and my own doctors are very well trained and organized. I am especially impressed by the head doctor.

    Everyone runs around in protective suits, covered from head to foot to protect themselves from COVID, looking like they are in hazmat suits. At first I was concerned about being hospitalized, now I know it was a good thing that I was.

    The interesting thing is that in our wing of the hospital there are few patients and not very many are coming in. It was pretty full when I got here, but is now emptying out. The wing I was staying here was just shut down and I had to move to a new room. All the remaining stragglers in one wing. I saw them, they are very elderly.

    It can only mean that at least over the past few days, the number of those being hospitalized is coming down, at least here. Does it reflect a larger trend? I think it could.
    Had you been vaccinated prior to getting C-19?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xt-tsi View Post
    I came down with COVID and ended up being hospitalized in Moscow. Don't have the virus for a couple of weeks but I got hit pretty hard with COVID Pneumonia. Haven't been on any drastic oxygen treatment. Lots of drugs, steriods, antibiotics and other treatments. Gradually breathing better and O2 levels are coming up so I expect to be going home in a day or two. Otherwise I'm happy to stay here and continue the treatment. It is very professionally done. My wing of the hospital is brand new and up to the highest standards. The staff here and my own doctors are very well trained and organized. I am especially impressed by the head doctor.

    Everyone runs around in protective suits, covered from head to foot to protect themselves from COVID, looking like they are in hazmat suits. At first I was concerned about being hospitalized, now I know it was a good thing that I was.

    The interesting thing is that in our wing of the hospital there are few patients and not very many are coming in. It was pretty full when I got here, but is now emptying out. The wing I was staying here was just shut down and I had to move to a new room. All the remaining stragglers in one wing. I saw them, they are very elderly.

    It can only mean that at least over the past few days, the number of those being hospitalized is coming down, at least here. Does it reflect a larger trend? I think it could.
    Nice to hear that you are getting better, I hope you are back to your old self soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TolkoRaz View Post
    Had you been vaccinated prior to getting C-19?
    it is well known that even with vaccination one can catch the bug. so far there is no reply to your question. BUT what surprised me ,if he was vaccinated that he is in hospital. therefore i am wondering were,or are, there any underlying reasons for that.THAT can also happen even being vaccinated. suppose it will take awhile before we have all the facts from xt... in the meantime, hope he is out already, his own -old - self. will have no -long term covid -...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TolkoRaz View Post
    Had you been vaccinated prior to getting C-19?
    With Sputnik V in January.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benedikt View Post
    it is well known that even with vaccination one can catch the bug. so far there is no reply to your question. BUT what surprised me ,if he was vaccinated that he is in hospital. therefore i am wondering were,or are, there any underlying reasons for that.THAT can also happen even being vaccinated. suppose it will take awhile before we have all the facts from xt... in the meantime, hope he is out already, his own -old - self. will have no -long term covid -...
    I have some other issues effecting my immune system about which I don't want to go into detail. The doctors think those issues played a role in my getting COVID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xt-tsi View Post
    With Sputnik V in January.
    Immunity since January would have been depleted / diminished...............?
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    Hope you get better and feel better!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by americaninmoscow View Post
    Hope you get better and feel better!!
    Thanks. Today I got a report from my doctor who says I'm showing "positive dynamics" on all fronts. So should be going home soon.

    For the time being am sitting in a nearly empty COVID treatment center in a private room. Only 5 patients are on our wing which will be merged with another one and shut down next week. New COVID-19 patients aren't coming in.

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    So, tell us about the hospital? Is it paid? Thru insurance? You mentioned a private room. Do you have a tv? What about food? Is that included or do you have outside food brought in? What about the technical equipment? Are respirators available? What about the other patients? Are they of the same of different social status? Rural/urban? Vax status? Do you speak russian well enough to talk to the doctors or nurses and to discuss their opinion on this situation? Etc

    Please share your first hand situation in this unusual situation with us here on expat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by americaninmoscow View Post
    So, tell us about the hospital? Is it paid? Thru insurance? You mentioned a private room. Do you have a tv? What about food? Is that included or do you have outside food brought in? What about the technical equipment? Are respirators available? What about the other patients? Are they of the same of different social status? Rural/urban? Vax status? Do you speak russian well enough to talk to the doctors or nurses and to discuss their opinion on this situation? Etc

    Please share your first hand situation in this unusual situation with us here on expat!
    He said he has a private room because there are so few new Covid patients. They keep moving him, first he was with 8 others, then 5, now alone.


    Food brought in? You're funny, into a Covid ward, yeah right. What so the driver can then spread Covid all over Moscow?
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    Gladly! Good questions.

    I have Russian citizenship so the treatment at the hospital is covered entirely by my OMC insurance. Just showed my OMC card and passport and I was off to the races.

    At one point after coming down with COVID I realized I needed to go to the hospital. We live outside Moscow but I am registered at an apartment in Moscow, so my wife drove me there and we called an ambulance reporting an COVID 19 case, assuming I'd end up in a better facility in Moscow compared to the oblast. An ambulance showed up in five or ten minutes after we made the call. The specialist from the ambulance came in a full suit protecting her from COVID-19 and told me I needed to be hospitalized. First I went to a clinic for a cat scan of my lungs. The ambulance (slowly, no flashing lights or sirens) drove me to a clinic where I got the cat scan right away. It appeared to be a testing facility set aside for COVID patients judging by the protective gear being worn by the staff. The facility was newly fitted out. A doctor said I had covid pneumonia and set about hospitalizing me. After he filled out a large quantity of paperwork and forms and setting up a file for me, known as a meditsinskaya karta, I was taken, slowly, again no sirens, in another ambulance to a hospital near Timiryazvosky park (Spasokukotskovo) where I was checked into a room and began treatment.

    The hospital has at least one wing set aside entirely for treating covid patients during and after having the disease. Another wing is set aside as a testing facility with cat scans and so on.The covid wing has been completely rebuilt. All the finishings, beds, toilets lighting, equipment are brand new. The cat scan, ultrasound and other equipment for testing is top notch. I assume there is a ward somewhere for folks getting more serious treatments which I fortunately have not seen. The remainder of the hospital is a normal facility, not newly rebuilt. I haven't seen it, our covid wing is separate.

    A conference of doctors led by a professor look at my test results and decide what steps to take next. An on duty doctor visits me daily to provide updates. There is a nurse who gives certain shots, another one provides more serious injections, someone else sets up IV's, a women who wipes down surfaces, someone brings food and so on. Everyone seems well organized. They are all dressed from head to foot in white protective suits with booties and hoods, wear N95 masks, gloves, special glasses, a transparent face mask (whose function I don't understand). All that is visible is their eyes.

    Food is brought three times a day. Breakfast is good, kasha, a piece of cheese or boiled egg, bread and butter, tea. Bread is mandatory. Lunch can be difficult to eat. Some kind of bland, mushy cutlet, along with unsalted potatoes, rice or noodles. Maybe some boiled fish or chicken, unsalted and sometimes I get some mushy vegetables or beets out of a can. Difficult to get down but I eat it all for the needed nutrients, important right now. Also soup, good but never without parsley. More bread and sometimes a yogurt. Tea. Sometimes a piece of fruit. For dinner, another round of kasha and often a zapekanka, something like a unsweetened cheesecake, not too appetizing. Sometimes they provide overcooked vegetables for dinner and more horrible cutlet concoctions. Down it goes. A packet of crackers, a packet of cookies. My wife had fresh fruit delivered, an important part of my day. She, by the way, is not allowed to visit me in the hospital. Strictly off limits.

    The food is brought in plastic containers with lids on them. Usually, in a Russian hospital you supply your own bowl, plates, cutlery, cup. So this is something new.

    My Russian is fluent, but sometimes the doctors go a bit fast for me. They tend to rush when giving information. I have to stop them and ask questions, until I finally get the full picture. The only information I get out of them is about my own medical issues and treatment, then they are out the door.

    When I first got here, I had a roommate who was in very bad shape and was taken away for "re-animation" after falling down on the floor on the way to the toilet. I am not sure he made it. Since then, I had a room with two beds in to myself and more recently was moved to a room with one bed. Most rooms here have two beds per room. I didn't ask for the single room, it must have been luck of the draw.

    As a side note, my COVID ended when I checked into the hospital. That night, I broke out in a sweat and woke up drenched. The COVID was gone.

    The social status of the patients is difficult to say because everyone is in isolation. No one is allowed to walk around in the hallways. I have seen a few other patients when being taken to other areas of the hospital for tests. Mostly they appear to be in their 60's and older, like me. Some had oxygen tanks strapped to their wheelchairs which I assume are respirators. So yes, the respirators are definitely available and since the COVID ward is emptying out, I assume there is no shortage.

    I don't have a TV and am glad there are none of them, otherwise we'd have several TV's blaring away and it would be noisy. I do have a good internet connection, my laptop and phone so am able to watch stuff on line, which more or less gets the job done. I have also been able to get some work done. I'm in isolation and only have brief contact with the medical staff. It is a bit like being in prison. I've set up a schedule for myself to get through the day comprised of exercise routines, writing emails to various people which chews up time, a soduko here and there and harassing friends and relatives to talk to me on whatsapp. And reading, lots of reading.
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    Here's a photo of the standard Russian nurse outfit.

    hBwwY22sOuA.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Wally View Post
    Here's a photo of the standard Russian nurse outfit.

    hBwwY22sOuA.jpg

    She certainly made fame in and beyond Tula! Is she still a nurse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xt-tsi View Post
    Gladly! Good questions.

    I have Russian citizenship so .....
    Thanks! It seems as if the worst is over for you and now are in a comfortable holding position. That's great! Congrats on your recovery process so far and wishing you the best to continue onwards and upwards to a full recovery!

    Here are some more questions in no particular order. I know that there are a lot and some strange and others with more/less relevance. However, maybe they could be used as a crib sheet to spark a more in-depth conversation. I know you mentioned that the interaction was brief and succinct but maybe with pre-written questions the conversation could flow more freely and the basis for an open dialogue could be established. Or not, who knows.

    Xt is the vip member of expat with an exclusive look behind the covid curtain and access to front-line knowledgable experts. No dumb cut-and-paste and boring theoreticals here! Spill the tea! (for super duper pooper old wally, this is they way we younger people express a desire to talk about something in an entertaining/gossipy way and not to get rid of marijuana like you used to say back in the 1930s.)

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    Begin Personal Questions!

    How did you catch it? Public transportation? Bars? Someone you know?

    Given your previously stated comments on expat regarding the necessary governmental vax compliancy requirements across the world and everyone taking the correct steps towards ending this chapter in human history, were you surprised to test positive? How did it make you feel? What about the people immediately around you, such as partner and/or daughters?

    Do you feel that you could have prevented this infection in any way? With everything you have been through since testing positive so far, how has your current general covid philosophy changed in any way, if at all? What advice, if any, would you give to a person who only returned from space yesterday and was unaware of covid and the current situation?

    Given your dual-citizen status, what has surprised and/or shocked you in anyway regarding expected personal treatment and/or medical procedures vs your compatriots/family general/reported experiences? Have you seen and/or thought of a particular personal/professional interaction/methodology that would lead you to choose one medical system over another?

    How is your partner and family coping with this difficult time and your hardships? Are there any hospital/medical related support groups available, such as family counselling and/or an individual psychologist counselling/meetings? Assuming you or your immediate/extended family are somehow connected in someway to a church or a specific Russian church, is there any support and/or being offered? Special prayers? Prepared meal delivery, etc.

    What does testing positive mean for your family? Is there any social stigma attached to this? Are your neighbors acting the same? Was everyone in your household able to continue studying/working as normal or are they now quarantined and/or monitored by the health authorities?

    Assuming members of your household followed the same course of preventative covid actions you have taken at/or approximately the same time, are they concerned about their possible future? Has their general thinking towards covid changed in any way?

    Although a Russian national, do you feel your original status as a foreigner in Russia many years ago has affected your covid experience/interactions with medical professionals in any way or is this a non-issue?

    -- End Personal Questions --

    -- Begin General Questions --

    Since you filled out the medical book, this probably means that this is the first time to that hospital? When were you admitted to the hospital? Has it been some days or weeks now? Is there follow up treatment? Once released, will you have to return to this hospital? Or are there "covid-outreach" clinics/centers in other locations?

    What does it mean that Covid ended when you checked into the hospital? Did you feel different for some time before you decided to escalate the situation? Or were you tested and the results came back, etc? How do you know it passed? I thought the whole point of the nearly 2 week long quarantine was because people could spread/shed it up to that particular length of time?

    If during your time there the number of visible covid patients has decreased, while the city government website (https://www.mos.ru/city/projects/covid-19/) has reflected the general trend is in a slight downturn, but still at around 3400 new cases and 1000 new patients admitted to the hospital, where are the people going? Are the newly admitted patients in a particular region of moscow? Or why do you feel it would not have remained somewhat stable regarding the number of new charges vs discharges? Does this also suggest that nearly 2/3 of people that test positive for covid are not taken to the hospital and are left to fend for themselves at home?

    Why are there different covid numbers in Russia/Moscow posted by several authoritative Russian government agencies? Which would more accurately reflect the correct understanding of the situation?

    You suggest in your post that there are different levels of covid sickness/complications, if so, how many classifications are there? How many stories/floors does your current hospital have? You mentioned the new equipment. Is it of Russian or eastern European manufacture or western or Chinese? You mentioned that there are different wings/sections where apparently different procedures are being taken, such as a testing facility with possibly different personal protective equipment. Could you expand upon this? Are you suggesting that the ppe worn by the admitting staff is different than that worn by the regular floor staff? If so, why do you think this could be?

    Are oxygen tanks respirators? If so, what is the difference between a respirator and a ventilator? If there is a difference, have you seen anyone on a ventilator? Also, you mention wheel-chairs and oxygen. Does this suggest that they are not kept in isolation and are somewhat more mobile? or they simply climb or are helped out of bed and spend a portion of their day sitting instead of laying? What is the percentage of people that have been on ventilators/intubated that have survived and recovered vs those that haven't.

    What type of protocols is the hospital following? If any, could you comment on the personalization or standardization of said protocols? For instance, here is an example of the math+ covid protocols in some hospitals in the us. Are there different protocols in different hospitals? Are doctors in Russia/Moscow able to freely practice their art or is there a strict blanket mandate passed down from those above?

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-c...ol-ENGLISH.pdf

    What do Russian doctors and/or nurses think of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, if anything at all?

    The injections the nurses give. I'm going to assume they are included in the hospital stay/insurance. Do you have or have you been offered the option to upgrade the supplements regarding manufacturer or country-of-origin?

    Have you supplied your own needles for said injections or is this a non-issue? Were you given a list of necessary and/or suggested things that you should provide during your covid-posititve hospital recovery?

    You have previously stated in other posts that you were vaccinated. If so, which type/brand and how many injections? Have you had a booster shot? When/where was this medical procedure preformed? Have you asked the doctors about the protection offered by the shots and how long they last? How do they feel about the Russian offerings vs the competitors, specifically Chinese vs Western options. Do the different vax offerings offer different protection against variants? How do the doctors and/or nurses think/feel about mRNA vax? If anything, does it offer protection or an advantage that traditional vax does not? If anything, why do Russian doctors think that the west is pushing the mRNA vax?

    Regarding the Russian vax, is there a similar equivalent to the American VAERS reporting system? https://vaers.hhs.gov/
    Have any of the doctors and/or nurses either seen or heard of adverse reactions to the Russian offerings? I believe I have read there are at least 4 Russian offerings and maybe there was 5. What is the fundamental difference between them and why would a patient choose one or the other? Have there been any cases of a fake sputnik vaxx being produced and/or administered? Are the different Russian vax offerings provided by different companies/clans with slightly different interests, like gazprom or lukoil? or different competing labs and/or different branches of the Russian government health/science/academic/specialized aparatus?

    Have the doctors and/or nurses witnessed or heard of cases of people catching covid and recovering more than one time? How many of the patients have been vaxxed vs unvaxxed? Has this changed over time? How many people in the hospital have been fully vaxxed vs a partial vaxx?

    Have the doctors and/or nurses experienced or heard of any adverse reactions, either immediately after injection 1, injection 2/booster or some time afterwards? If so, with what Russian brand/offering?

    What liability do the Russian vax manufactures have towards adverse reactions, if any? Do the doctors and/or nurses feel that the Russian health ministry has followed the standard quality control-efficacy standards to approve of the various Russian vax offerings or were they rushed and/or corners cut?

    Where are the factories producing the various Russian vax offerings? Is there any difference producing this vax vs others? or handling post-production? how long can the produced and completed vax sit on the shelf before it begins to degrade? What are the health authorities doing to monitor vax output standards? Inspections? Independent lab tests?

    What percentage of the medical staff in the covid wing is vaxxed vs the other wards? What vax is the most common in the Russian medical field? Do they feel the number of medical staff declared to be vaxxed is accurate or are there grey numbers and/or outright forgery/fraud?

    What types of procedures are taken when a medical staff member becomes vaxxed? Has a standard vax reporting protocol been established by hospital hr? For instance, do they have to turn in proof of vax status and then are given a different badge and/or other easily identifiable marker? Are the hospitals themselves administered by themselves on-site or is there a regional/city-wide hierarchy?

    What is the history of the Sputnik vaccine and how was it able to be brought to market so quickly? Are there any possible interactions by mixing and/or matching various Russian vax offerings or taking a Russian vax and/or western/chinese offerings? What are the possible long-term health ramifications of the Sputnik vax, if any?

    A high-ranking Russian health expert said recently in an interview that many unvaxxed people now covid positive and hospitalized had fake qr codes. However, the veracity of this claim was able to be easily proven by routine tests as there were markers found in the blood of the vaxxed vs unvaxxed. Is there any truth to this claim and if so, could it be expanded upon?


    How different from this picture is your room and or experience with your current stay in this hospital? https://tass.com/society/1364117

    or -

    https://apnews.com/article/coronavir...40d4e84d5e5338

    What do the doctors say about the Russian media coverage of covid? Is it fair and accurate/represent the true situation/overblown hype/ or?

    The Sputnik vax is being marketed and/or sold to many countries around the world. Some countries have reported concerns and/or problems with the product. Is there any evidence to support their claims or this simply a case of historical country/political bias?

    What happens to a person when they die of Covid? Is the body disposed of in a different manner than in other cases? How has the hospitals/medical professions interaction with the funeral/burial services sector changed due to covid, if any?

    To what depth were you tested for covid? Simply yes/no or were they able to identify the variant? If so, is this part of a new strain or is this simply a continuation of the most common variant in Moscow/Russia? How many strains are currently in Russia and if there are more than 1, are they located according to regional or social classes? For instance, are poor people from the regions more likely to test positive for one variant vs urban dwellers traveling abroad another? If there are variants, are they all treated the same way? Or are there different protocols?

    Since the recent holiday declared by the Russian authorities to quell the up-ticking covid positive numbers, has anything on the ground actually changed? Some of the Russian peoples were expected to travel abroad during this time. Have there been any cases of exotic covid positive tourists returning?

    Given everything the doctors and/or nurses know and have experienced so far, how do they see the future playing out and what do they envision regarding the end of this epidemic, if any? Not only in Russia, but also just in general across the world.

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