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    Moscow metro pay by fave? and if the camera does not like the mugshot? no ride?

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/...ng-2021-a71482

    but what the article does not explain,how will the fare being paid? direct debit to my account? troika card? though sounds interesting anyway.
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    Pushing these rapidly changing technologies is insane. These things are very bad ideas that will be ultimately used for enslavement. Few can foresee the consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusmeister View Post
    Pushing these rapidly changing technologies is insane. These things are very bad ideas that will be ultimately used for enslavement. Few can foresee the consequences.
    It's not going to work with people with mask, grown or shaven beard or people with almost similar facial pattern. They will scrape this once they notice the problem and it costs more to implement it. Contactless card is more reliable and cheaper. Implementing this video recognition technology is more about control and that's what the government is aiming for. For example, failure to pay dues, mortgage, or have legal issues, etc and you're denied entry to metro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remington View Post
    It's not going to work with people with mask, grown or shaven beard or people with almost similar facial pattern.
    The Chinese have found algorithms to make it work even with mask, so it may work with beard too?


    They will scrape this once they notice the problem and it costs more to implement it.
    No, idiots have a strong believe in technology, especially if they have personal economic interests in the thing, and I thing those behind this great idea are those that make money on the system

    Contactless card is more reliable and cheaper.
    Fully agree, a token card cost less than 25 Rub. and a reader 500 Rub. not the best quality, but step up a few levels and you have a system that works very well.

    Implementing this video recognition technology is more about control and that's what the government is aiming for. For example, failure to pay dues, mortgage, or have legal issues, etc and you're denied entry to metro.
    That is properly the real selling argument, but they are not that stupid to say that in public, so they "sell" the investment with other buzz words, but the main thing is to drain money out of a sort of public system and into private pockets, very much like when we get new street light, they do not repair the few lamps that is not working, they replace the whole streets line of lamps with new lamps, we even get LED lamps that is just a few years old replaced with new LED lamps just because a few % of the old lamps is not working.

    We get something for our tax money, or Metro fare, but it is at a way to high cost.

    Was it around twenty years ago they were saying that all the rubbers and thieves was moved from the street into the public offices, so now it is safe at the street, but you still have to pay to the bad guy's one way or the other.

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    as long as i have the option NOT to use it, i dont mind. no pay child support, tax or whatever, -you- are on their radar screen already. and one way or the other big brother will get you. but 200 million rubles not paid in - kvartplata- ( utility services) 20 % still not paying bus,tram or Metro fares,- saitchiki-, let them implement whatever they think will get them their money. i see no reason why i should pay my fare as any good user should do. but next to me sits a clown, newest iPhone, Nike sneakers, even fake ones... brags about on his mobile how much they spent for last nights dinner and how much their next vacation to Sri Lanka will cost. but does not have the money to buy a ticket?

    maybe you have seen those red stickers a few days ago on your mailbox in your building? you own more than 1000 rubles in utility fees, please pay up.... in our place i have found out, who OWNS their place pays up every month. who only rents and pays their landlord or landlady, they all had stickers on their mailbox. and next to it was a paper how much they owed. it was not Kopeks, but in some cases thousands and in one case 300k rubles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benedikt View Post
    maybe you have seen those red stickers a few days ago on your mailbox in your building?
    Here they just put up a list of what flat number owes how much, that list only sits for a few hours, go figure why and whom had removed it?

    In one apartment complex, about two years old, I did see that some had never paid for water, heating and electricity at all, there were threatening to seal off the water, waste water, and electricity, but the two first is not really an option without a high cost so it will never happen, and the electricity, well they will just run a new cable to the central mail busbar (cable trays/channels is already there and there is free access to the busbar), sadly Russian apartment complexes are not designed to efficiently close off all utility, you can just go the tiresome and slowly route to the court.

    you own more than 1000 rubles in utility fees, please pay up
    Now and then I pay in advance, just because it is more easy for me, and still the utility company feel the need to inform me that I need to pay timely, that annoying, other times they want to reward me for me timely payment by giving me discount options at many different kinds of shops, shops I would never visit in the first place and the discount is to low to really matter, if it was 30% on all a buy at the local tool shop, then we are talking, but it is not.

    But the same people that do not want to pay utility's are most likely the same that really do not care about anything at all, they dump the unwanted contains from their mailbox directly on the floor even when there are a fine nice looking bin for this kind of stuff just one meter away, they cant be bother with using a key for their mailbox, they just rip open it so it looks like shit, they piss in the lift, they steal the light bulbs, they disconnect the door closer (and throw away the parts so you cant rebuild it), well they are not the only ones that is disturbing, the company that is hired to maintain the building burn a lot of money and put up huge rapports about what they had paid for and what it will cost next month, but can they find out to replace a dead/stolen light bulb? But we did get new front doors all over, the old doors was ok and about two years old, but there were an upgrade to the doors, the old ones had opal windows, the new once are with a transparent window with a sort of nice decoration.
    Yes I am an angry old man with nothing else to do than to rant about anything.

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    When the Clintons left the White House in 2001, they took the computer keyboards (which belong to the US government) and were later forced to return $28,000 in historic paintings which have been in the White House for 100's of years, and rolled up rugs, took silverware, dish sets, couches & and other furniture. One writer has it that they even took the light bulbs.

    "Bush officials said they had found offices full of trash, broken furniture and filthy carpets. Clinton administration officials insisted that the dirt and damage reflected normal wear and tear.

    The accounting office confirmed that $9,324 had been spent to repair or replace various items and to clean offices. That included $4,850 for 62 keyboards, $2,040 for 26 cellphones and $1,150 for professional cleaning. In addition, the White House and the General Services Administration estimated that it cost $3,750 to $4,675 to replace missing doorknobs, medallions and office signs and the large presidential seal, the accounting office said."


    Barbara Olsen's expose of the Clinton's last few months in the White House: https://www.conservativebookclub.com/book/final-days

    Unfortunately, the author was killed in the 9/11 plane that hit the Pentagon
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    no you are not, because it is true that way.
    though nowadays with - smart meters - around, electricity can be switched off from the - office-, no need to get to the meter directly. and the same happens with water and heating. at least in our building and the buildings around us, the newer type -panel dom-. every utility can be turned off for each individual place, out on the corridor. and to brake open that little iron gate will make quite a noise and one can not bend it back anymore...of course,as you said, there will be always sum around who just will not pay and are bent on destroying and defacing anything and everything. which in the end we all have to pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rusmeister View Post
    Pushing these rapidly changing technologies is insane. These things are very bad ideas that will be ultimately used for enslavement. Few can foresee the consequences.
    It will be done in all countries very soon, for security reasons... of course.
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    And all the men and women merely agents

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    New technology, used to track people, should be expanded, not restricted, to include those who are doing the tracking. For example, if the great unwashed knew what was going on in government labs, like Wuhan, the disaster of Covid-19 could have been prevented. There would have been an outcry against scientists trying to bio-engineer viruses which could kill thousands of people.

    If the general population knew that Japan was planning to attack Pearl Harbor, World War II could have been prevented. If the general population of Saudi Arabia knew that their government was plotting 9/11 attack, the next two decades of US attacks on the Middle east could have been prevented. If the people of Deutschland knew that Adolf was setting up concentration camps, the holocaust would have been prevented.

    Privacy is probably a concept of the past. You can't put the lid back on technology or on Pandora's box. But the answer to less privacy is more openness, more communication, so that we know what government is scheming. Trump was elected as the p[ulic's response to a Washington, DC government monolith which is inaccessible to the public. Every government building has controlled access, and you need a "secret" clearance to get inside. Maidan was more about the same type of hidden-from-the-public government corruption, and much less a revolt against Russia influence. As was Hong Kong rebellion, stifled by Chi-comms, and the quest for liberty buried by a Western media beholden to its financial interests.

    The only people opposed to Eric Snowden are deranged anti-Trump and by extension, anti-Russian, "journalists", and the only people opposed to Wikileaks are those attempting to hide their unethical deeds from public scrutiny.

    However, not only is the government all-powerful, and all-secret, the media works with such totalitarian central government to prevent access to information.

    In an age of rapidly-advancing technology, where biologists can develop killing viruses, physicists can make new types of nuclear weapons, chemists can develop untraceable poisons to kill off political opponents (the victim suffers a natural-looking "heart attack") and other scientists create other mass-destructive things which it would be irresponsible to mention, there needs to be less privacy and more scrutiny of science, scientists and government itself, as well as individuals. We can't have the government, or corporations, or even the lone less-than-sane individual, woking secretly on nefarious deeds. Everyone needs to be accountable. We need to know that everyone is mentally well-adjusted, that your neighbor is not plotting to shoot up his school, or planning to poison gas the local subway, or your fellow passenger on the bus is not working at Big Medicine to engineer new viruses which attack only one ethnic type of person, or that the government will not covertly attack another country.

    Technology is misused. Gutenberg thought his new printing press would be used to print the Good Word of the Good Book. InNstead it was used to print pornography. Einstein and Niels bohr, never thought their research into energy would be used to incinerate cities. Biologists never thought their genetic research would be used to animate worldwide killing viruses, etc. "Science" does not have a "Code of Ethics" or a list of "Ten Commandments." The new paradigm will likely change that...

    The antidote for misuse of technology is a clearer public understanding of what that technology is being used for. The media needs be less complicit in suppression of information about abuse of science.

    So the answer to less privacy in our personal lives, is even less privacy, not more, in science and government. More sunshine, everywhere.
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    but what to do when the people who should believe, dont?
    Stalin knew from his - spy - Zorge that Hitler will attack Russia. what did Stalin do? Had Zorge executed.
    The USA did know that the Japanese will attack Pearl Harbor. But the military in their arrogance said, this is to far away,the -Japs- do not have the capability...they did...
    so,who will control? and who will control the controllers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benedikt View Post
    but what to do when the people who should believe, dont?
    Stalin knew from his - spy - Zorge that Hitler will attack Russia. what did Stalin do? Had Zorge executed.
    The USA did know that the Japanese will attack Pearl Harbor. But the military in their arrogance said, this is to far away,the -Japs- do not have the capability...they did...
    so,who will control? and who will control the controllers?
    Leaders can no longer hide their nefarious deeds from their citizens.

    I mean if the great mass of Japanese people knew that Tojo would start World War 2, they might have protested. But they were work-a-bot, slaves, automatons abjectly subject to the government, they had no voice. Would the general German population have condoned gas chambers, had they known of them? China exists as is now, based on a totalitarian formula but for how long can they totally suppress their people by denying them internet voice and choice?

    I think we are in a "Post-War" age. China will not invade Taiwan, why should they, when they can buy it? Iran is limited to conducting undercover terrorist operations, and they are incomtpent at that, even when its terrorist generals are not being knocked off by US military. I can't see US going to war anywhere in the world. Nor Russia deploying troops. Everything is covert, and how do you remain "covert" in a world everyone knows everything, instantly via social media? Trump will make rapprochement with Russia when he is re-elected. And America will welcome that, there's been so much anti-Russian disinformation, I think most Americans are saying "What is this unending media/Leftist hate toward Russia? Well, this is certainly one-sided, maybe I should find out for myself what the other side to all this, find out for myself."

    In fact, so much negative information, can be utilized and exploited to turn it into its converse. I would leverage that negative info into a promotional tourist campaign: "You've heard all the bad things about Russia, now come visit our land and find out all the good things! Our friendly people! Our wide open spaces! Our fascinating History! Our enduring culture! etc. Come to Russia, and find out what a great place Russia really is! Find out the truth about the great land of Russia for yourself!" In fact, I just got an email from my Peruvian friend in Virgina who was at World Cup. He wants to go to Russia, he is asking me when can he and his brother go back again. they can't wait!

    What is worrisome is NATO-HATO, it doesn't seem to be under the control of anyone. Like a wounded animal, it seeks to survive by trying to create conflict. Maybe they are hoping, with their endless, mindless war games on Russian borders, that an "incident" will happen at the border. But the great mass of people are now wise to these political games, there will be no more "Tonkin Gulf" incidents to incite wars, and in a few years, no NATO.

    Wars are over. It's done. It's over. Can we get a Hallelujah!? Can we get a Praise Jesus! Can we get an Allahu Akbar!
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    The first "youth revolt" occurred in the late 1960's...

    It failed because it was based on drugs, and the youth "dropped out" did not seek to change the rules.



    The music of the 1960's was incredible a brilliant explosion of creativity and inmsight uinto the human condition, unmatched in the 20th century.
    The music of 2020 is a pale shadow of traditional popular music, it could be called "anti-music", in that music is supposed to soothe the savage soul, not irritate or incite.

    This present-day "insurrection" by BLM and Antifa has been corrupted, and rejected because it is violent, and does not offer a clear constructive alternative to what it wishes to deconstruct. The "protesters" may wish, but they are not the moral equivalent of Mahatma Gandhi's group.

    But the universe is in motion, the Earth rotates and revolves, much more is changing, and very rapidly....
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    The music of the 1960's was incredible, a brilliant explosion of creativity and insight into the human condition, unmatched in the 20th century. It sought answers to enduring human problems. The 1960's "uprising" had a soul.
    The music of 2020 is a pale shadow of traditional popular music, it could be called "anti-music", in that music is supposed to soothe the savage soul, not irritate or incite. It is spiritless.
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