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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Wally View Post
    Free Speech is not a law but a God given right we are all born with. I don't need someone telling me what I can or can't read, watch, write or say. It's like way back when we found out the government watches, reads, listen to, everything we do they said "but if you are not doing anything wrong why worry? Because it's not you that decides what is right or wrong, they can think that you wanting to vote one way, and or change a law, or believe in something. My point is being proven, you are not allowed to say anything Facebook does not agree with. Since Facebook has crushed every other platform with the power they have gained. We are in big trouble when they are the last one standing. This Covid 19 crap is killing small business and we be left with only big business that can crush smaller start-ups.
    I pretty much said this to Hans already, but you're presupposing normal and decent behavior. You yourself said, "...if you are not doing anything wrong"." That's my whole point. "Freedom of speech" is only good as long as it is not turned to evil. You have to be able to say what is right, what is wrong, what is good, and what is evil, and on what basis, AND be largely right, to be able to have a sustainable society. The alternative is anarchy, which destroys any society, most often followed by tyranny to bring order. It's much better to censor evil speech while you still have any freedom at all. In morality, like in art, you have to draw the line somewhere. And beyond that line you have to have censorship. In the West, we DID have censorship of fascist propaganda until a few decades ago, we DO censor people from using "the 'N' word" in regard to black people, and we are totally right to censor child porn (and wrong to allow adult porn as "freedom of speech"), an example of turning it to evil.
    When evil censors, it censors to hide the truth. Thus the Left does everything it can to censor visual images of abortions in public, because they know the pictures will have the same effect as those of the German prison camps, and what few images we have of the horrific things done to slaves did. It is much harder to get our own eyes to lie to us. When good censors, it prevents evil ideas, images, and thoughts that will break down and ultimately destroy the society from spreading.

    Censorship is unavoidable. If your rulers believe in the Good in truth (and not falsely telling themselves that evil is good), they will censor evil to protect us from self-destruction. If they are deceived into believing evil is good, then they will try to hide the truth. But no matter what, you are going to see some things censored. Either the truth, or evil, destructive ideas. Take your pick.

    The whole question, and what we even disagree about is, what is good, and what is evil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans.KK View Post
    They have the full right to remove/edit what ever they publish on their site, period.
    You can call it censorship or what ever you want, they still have that right, and in some cases that is not a right it is a duty required by law.
    Not really a legitimate "private company" when it dominates, 90% of the traffic, in any given area of broadcast or technology. It is then labeled a "Monopoly," and it should come under purview of laws governing and regulating monopolies.

    Example would be Bell Telephone in the US, in the 1950's. They ran 98% of the telephone service. But they did not deny service to (modern equivalent would be "censoring") anyone. All people had a right to use the Bell Telephone system, since they were the only company available for telephone service. They did this voluntarily, but if they did deny service to segments of the population, the federal government might have stepped in. All people should similarly be allowed to use Bluetube, Fascist Book and Gulag, since they are 90%+ monopolies in their respective social-service areas.

    These social media giants have proven they are unwilling/unable to behave in a socially responsible manner. Problem is, federal government regulation would probably create a worse situation.
    Have we reached the ultimate stage of absurdity where some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, while other people are not held responsible for what they themselves are doing today?

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    That's a hard one. Because who gets to judge? Facebook thinks they have the right but a lot of things on Facebook I find repulsive. I got banned from Yahoo for writing that seeing two gay men kissing makes me feel uncomfortable. On the other hand, child porn I think should be banned but other things adults do should not. People need to learn what is right and wrong on their own, but children should be protected all the time. We learn from our mistakes or we should, if someone is telling you all the time that's not possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Wally View Post
    That's a hard one. Because who gets to judge? Facebook thinks they have the right but a lot of things on Facebook I find repulsive. I got banned from Yahoo for writing that seeing two gay men kissing makes me feel uncomfortable. On the other hand, child porn I think should be banned but other things adults do should not. People need to learn what is right and wrong on their own, but children should be protected all the time. We learn from our mistakes or we should, if someone is telling you all the time that's not possible.
    So who gets to judge?
    What’s your answer?
    I’ve answered. It is people who actually have truth, who are willing to try to convince others, and who are open to having what they think true honestly tested.
    I can easily challenge your idea that what adults do has no effect on others, which is what is implied by a policy that it is “only their business”.
    Ах, это свадьба, свадьба, свадьба... is evidence that sexual relations are in fact the business of the community, the society, and the nation. It is too easy to prove that what you do affects me and vice-versa. Laws on second-hand smoking, and most laws in general, are evidence of that.

    People DO need to understand right and wrong as something they grasp themselves, and not merely as what they are told by others is good, but there are a million obstacles of deception that make help necessary.

    You can learn from your own mistakes, or those of others. The latter is far cheaper, though the former is more thoroughly convincing. Still, as some mistakes can really and thoroughly destroy you, it is essential to learn from the mistakes of others, and to accept reliable authority to show you this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusmeister View Post
    So who gets to judge?
    What’s your answer?
    I’ve answered. It is people who actually have truth, who are willing to try to convince others, and who are open to having what they think true honestly tested.
    I can easily challenge your idea that what adults do has no effect on others, which is what is implied by a policy that it is “only their business”.
    Ах, это свадьба, свадьба, свадьба... is evidence that sexual relations are in fact the business of the community, the society, and the nation. It is too easy to prove that what you do affects me and vice-versa. Laws on second-hand smoking, and most laws in general, are evidence of that.

    People DO need to understand right and wrong as something they grasp themselves, and not merely as what they are told by others is good, but there are a million obstacles of deception that make help necessary.

    You can learn from your own mistakes, or those of others. The latter is far cheaper, though the former is more thoroughly convincing. Still, as some mistakes can really and thoroughly destroy you, it is essential to learn from the mistakes of others, and to accept reliable authority to show you this.
    It's very hard to convince a brainwashed person that they are brainwashed. You'd have better luck breaking a brick wall with your head and less painful too. We need to learn from teachers but we need truth from the news media, and something we are not getting lately. I have my own religious beliefs and they have proven to be true by my own experiences and science. The main difference between your religion and mine is mine says all living things are equal.
    If you trust the government you obviously failed history class. " George Carlin"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Wally View Post
    It's very hard to convince a brainwashed person that they are brainwashed. You'd have better luck breaking a brick wall with your head and less painful too. We need to learn from teachers but we need truth from the news media, and something we are not getting lately. I have my own religious beliefs and they have proven to be true by my own experiences and science. The main difference between your religion and mine is mine says all living things are equal.
    I appreciate this. But you do need to define "brainwash" - it is all too easy to use the term as an ad hominem label to dismiss others' ideas without thinking, although I think there IS such a thing as brainwashing.

    It's extraordinarily vague to say that your religion says "all living things are equal". What IS your religion? Is it a private one you made up yourself? Is it one invented a decade or century ago by some kind of guru? Or is it a definable branch of one of the main world religions that have lasted for millennia?

    What does "equal" mean? Does it mean that your life is no more valuable than that of a salamander or ant? That IS what the statement implies. I'd say an awful lot of things are NOT equal, nor would we want them to be. But traditional Christians DO believe that all people are ontologically equal, that all human life is equally valuable. But it would tell us that, given the choice between saving a human life or saving a pet where we could only save one, we might weep over the pet but would have to save the human life.

    So definition of terms is vitally important. It is not guaranteed that we mean the same thing by the same word.

    The honest seeker of truth does not fear having his own ideas tested. The bigot, on the contrary, absolutely fears it, as he has no good answer, having always assumed the obviousness of what he thinks true. Because he can't defend his ideas against intelligent challenge, he is afraid, and tends to respond with insults and personal attacks, or silence. The honest man, willing to change his own ideas if he finds truly better ones, has no such fear. If I found something truer than the teachings of the Orthodox Church, I would follow them. But I'm in my sixth decade of life, and still haven't found anything truer and more durable. The shape of a key is illogical in itself. The logic of that shape is that the key fits the lock, and therefore is the explanation of the lock. When you really have the answer, then you know that you don't need to doubt it, and don't mind having people challenge it, any more than a good brick layer would fear people testing his wall with baseballs or even bats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusmeister View Post
    I appreciate this. But you do need to define "brainwash" - it is all too easy to use the term as an ad hominem label to dismiss others' ideas without thinking, although I think there IS such a thing as brainwashing.

    It's extraordinarily vague to say that your religion says "all living things are equal". What IS your religion? Is it a private one you made up yourself? Is it one invented a decade or century ago by some kind of guru? Or is it a definable branch of one of the main world religions that have lasted for millennia?

    What does "equal" mean? Does it mean that your life is no more valuable than that of a salamander or ant? That IS what the statement implies. I'd say an awful lot of things are NOT equal, nor would we want them to be. But traditional Christians DO believe that all people are ontologically equal, that all human life is equally valuable. But it would tell us that, given the choice between saving a human life or saving a pet where we could only save one, we might weep over the pet but would have to save the human life.

    So definition of terms is vitally important. It is not guaranteed that we mean the same thing by the same word.

    The honest seeker of truth does not fear having his own ideas tested. The bigot, on the contrary, absolutely fears it, as he has no good answer, having always assumed the obviousness of what he thinks true. Because he can't defend his ideas against intelligent challenge, he is afraid, and tends to respond with insults and personal attacks, or silence. The honest man, willing to change his own ideas if he finds truly better ones, has no such fear. If I found something truer than the teachings of the Orthodox Church, I would follow them. But I'm in my sixth decade of life, and still haven't found anything truer and more durable. The shape of a key is illogical in itself. The logic of that shape is that the key fits the lock, and therefore is the explanation of the lock. When you really have the answer, then you know that you don't need to doubt it, and don't mind having people challenge it, any more than a good brick layer would fear people testing his wall with baseballs or even bats.
    By brainwashed I mean like how advertising does it, make you think you need something you don't. Or government, lie enough and big enough.

    My religion is 12,000 years old, it comes from Native Americans but I see it has many similarities as Altai religious beliefs. I think this is where the American version came from. All living things are equal because we will all die. We will all become food for some other forms of life. There is no top of the food chain. It's a circle just like life and death. So there really is no death, you just move on to a different life. It says that when we are born we are given a small amount of awareness, through life we grow that awareness and have to give it back when we go on to our next life. Then we are given a small amount again. There is a way to keep your awareness when you move to the next but that's a long story. There is no hell but you will pay for bad things you do to any other firm of life. That doesn't mean you can't kill and eat something because you to will die or be killed and eaten too. It just means don't waste a life if you don't need it. I guess you can call it karma but if you do bad things to someone else or yourself (like drinking and smoking too much sex) you will have bad things happening to you in the here now.
    If you trust the government you obviously failed history class. " George Carlin"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Wally View Post
    By brainwashed I mean like how advertising does it, make you think you need something you don't. Or government, lie enough and big enough.

    My religion is 12,000 years old, it comes from Native Americans but I see it has many similarities as Altai religious beliefs. I think this is where the American version came from. All living things are equal because we will all die. We will all become food for some other forms of life. There is no top of the food chain. It's a circle just like life and death. So there really is no death, you just move on to a different life. It says that when we are born we are given a small amount of awareness, through life we grow that awareness and have to give it back when we go on to our next life. Then we are given a small amount again. There is a way to keep your awareness when you move to the next but that's a long story. There is no hell but you will pay for bad things you do to any other firm of life. That doesn't mean you can't kill and eat something because you to will die or be killed and eaten too. It just means don't waste a life if you don't need it. I guess you can call it karma but if you do bad things to someone else or yourself (like drinking and smoking too much sex) you will have bad things happening to you in the here now.
    Hi, Wally!
    I’ve been busy, still am. Sorry about the delay.
    I have to ask, what is the name of your religion? I’m a native American, and native to nowhere else, so I guess you mean “Indian”.
    We have no recorded history before 5,000 or so BC. How then do you know how old your religion is if it is ostensibly older than that? All the more so because the American Indians did not have writing systems that allowed anything like that kind of exactitude.
    And I am curious about the source of authority for that religion. What teachers claim to believe it, on what basis, and how authoritative are they? Can they withstand any critical inquiry?

    Honestly, it sounds like more like an eclectic thing made up by a bunch of 1960’s hippies mashing together elements of Buddhism, the vaguest elements of Christianity and leaving out the stuff inconvenient to a life of sex, drugs, and rock and roll. But if it IS a legitimate and long-established religion, I’m interested in taking a look at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusmeister View Post
    I pretty much said this to Hans already, but you're presupposing normal and decent behavior. You yourself said, "...if you are not doing anything wrong"." That's my whole point. "Freedom of speech" is only good as long as it is not turned to evil. You have to be able to say what is right, what is wrong, what is good, and what is evil, and on what basis, AND be largely right, to be able to have a sustainable society. The alternative is anarchy, which destroys any society, most often followed by tyranny to bring order. It's much better to censor evil speech while you still have any freedom at all. In morality, like in art, you have to draw the line somewhere. And beyond that line you have to have censorship. In the West, we DID have censorship of fascist propaganda until a few decades ago, we DO censor people from using "the 'N' word" in regard to black people, and we are totally right to censor child porn (and wrong to allow adult porn as "freedom of speech"), an example of turning it to evil.
    When evil censors, it censors to hide the truth. Thus the Left does everything it can to censor visual images of abortions in public, because they know the pictures will have the same effect as those of the German prison camps, and what few images we have of the horrific things done to slaves did. It is much harder to get our own eyes to lie to us. When good censors, it prevents evil ideas, images, and thoughts that will break down and ultimately destroy the society from spreading.

    Censorship is unavoidable. If your rulers believe in the Good in truth (and not falsely telling themselves that evil is good), they will censor evil to protect us from self-destruction. If they are deceived into believing evil is good, then they will try to hide the truth. But no matter what, you are going to see some things censored. Either the truth, or evil, destructive ideas. Take your pick.

    The whole question, and what we even disagree about is, what is good, and what is evil?
    Conversely, the Left did not censor the Floyd George video, rather it has been replayed literally billions of times. Embellished with accusations of systemic "racism", encouraging protesters to morph to rioters, with breakdown of the social order, in their quest for "social justice." The old aphorism "You can't shout 'fire' in a crowded theater" comes to mind. The Media/Left blithely ignores all responsibility for rioting, burning buildings, murders and looting, even while they print incendiary articles blaming "white racism", represented by store owners and their inventory.

    There should be enforcement of laws about causing mayhem through repeated accusations - "incitement to riot". Google, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook are all responsible for encouraging mobs to commit mayhem, by censoring reasonable viewpoints and broadcasting false narratives, creating a climate of outrage.

    This has deteriorated into little more than a 2020 version of the Salem Witch Trials of the 1600's. Then, pretty women were accused of being "witches" and burned at the stake. Now, people are accused of being "racists" and while stores are looted and burned to "get even", many other people are forced to be careful what they say, lest they be identified as "racists" and lose their career. What's the same is that "witch" and "racist" are terms that are never defined. The mob can accuse you of being a witch or a racist, and you have no logical reply because the terminology is purposely vague and undefined.

    The social media giants have way too much power, and are badly abusing their "Freedom of Speech" privileges.
    Have we reached the ultimate stage of absurdity where some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, while other people are not held responsible for what they themselves are doing today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusmeister View Post
    Hi, Wally!
    I’ve been busy, still am. Sorry about the delay.
    I have to ask, what is the name of your religion? I’m a native American, and native to nowhere else, so I guess you mean “Indian”.
    We have no recorded history before 5,000 or so BC. How then do you know how old your religion is if it is ostensibly older than that? All the more so because the American Indians did not have writing systems that allowed anything like that kind of exactitude.
    And I am curious about the source of authority for that religion. What teachers claim to believe it, on what basis, and how authoritative are they? Can they withstand any critical inquiry?

    Honestly, it sounds like more like an eclectic thing made up by a bunch of 1960’s hippies mashing together elements of Buddhism, the vaguest elements of Christianity and leaving out the stuff inconvenient to a life of sex, drugs, and rock and roll. But if it IS a legitimate and long-established religion, I’m interested in taking a look at it.
    Sorry I missed this Rus, the religion came from Russia in the Altai region. Some still practice it there. This forum I talk about is Toltec but Shaman would be the Russian. It's pasted down from group to group that are made up of 8 to 16 people. They train another group before they leave to the next life.
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