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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Wally View Post
    I think VK and Yandex already have backdoors in them. Why is it that Russia only complains about Telegram and not WhatsApp? Could it be Russia can already read your messages? I mean WhatsApp store your info on your phone with cloud back up. Telegram is all on the cloud.
    Nope. By design, WhatsApp and Telegram doesn't store any data on their servers. All data is stored on the phone and if you wipe it clean or replace the phone and you will never recover it... even on a PC. So that's why it's technically impossible for WhatsApp or Telegram to share data because there is nothing to share and it doesn't ask for user's id or password. If Russia wants to monitor encrypted communications then they need to match the capabilities of NSA which they can't. They don't have the money or resources. It's technically impossible to analyze billions of WhatsApp/Telegram encrypted texts per day, even for NSA, unless if you're a terrorist.

    Also, Google Play and App Store will not allow apps to have backdoor since they do check to make sure the apps follows their privacy and security rules. Google Play is blocked in China and people there have to use China's approved Play store to download apps infected with spyware/malware. Apple's App Store had to remove many apps so it won't be blocked in China.

    It's eventual that Russia might block Google Play or App Store one day and build Russia's approved app store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remington View Post
    Google Play and App Store will not allow apps to have backdoor since they do check to make sure the apps follows their privacy and security rules.
    All nice, but didn't it happen that apps in their stores were infected with backdoor's not that long ago?
    Backdoor's may be present, they may be made intentionally, or they may simply occur accidentally.
    So there may still be backdoor's that just not had been found yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remington View Post
    Nope. By design, WhatsApp and Telegram doesn't store any data on their servers. All data is stored on the phone and if you wipe it clean or replace the phone and you will never recover it... even on a PC. So that's why it's technically impossible for WhatsApp or Telegram to share data because there is nothing to share and it doesn't ask for user's id or password. If Russia wants to monitor encrypted communications then they need to match the capabilities of NSA which they can't. They don't have the money or resources. It's technically impossible to analyze billions of WhatsApp/Telegram encrypted texts per day, even for NSA, unless if you're a terrorist.

    Also, Google Play and App Store will not allow apps to have backdoor since they do check to make sure the apps follows their privacy and security rules. Google Play is blocked in China and people there have to use China's approved Play store to download apps infected with spyware/malware. Apple's App Store had to remove many apps so it won't be blocked in China.

    It's eventual that Russia might block Google Play or App Store one day and build Russia's approved app store.


    Sorry but I did wipe my phone twice and all my WhatsApp messages, contact, and photos came back. Telegram too, I'm still using a Microsoft Lumia 650 and I got a Lumia 550 as a backup from my friend's kid (good thing too as my wife dropped her L650 and smashed it good so now she's using it) and I set the L550 to my Microsoft account. Both phones had all the same apps with the same info and I could go between phones and it was like one phone. You can download apps on up to 8 devices. This was except for WhatsApp. I could open Telegram on either phone and all messages were there but with WhatsApp I had to have the sim card that I signed up on WhatsApp in the phone for it to work. On Android with dual sim you can have two WhatsApp accounts but it's not possible with Microsoft phones unless to have two Microsoft accounts. I'm switching to Android soon because Microsoft will no longer support their phones and WhatsApp will stop working on December 31st. I will miss my Microsoft Phone, it is just a much better operation system, love the live tiles and start screen, it just lacked apps but I had most of what I needed, banking Yandex and WhatsApp. I've been using Windows Phones since 2013, my wife still has the Nokia Lumia 800 I bought her. That was a nice phone at the time. Funny that next year Microsoft is coming out with a new folding phone that will run Android.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans.KK View Post
    All nice, but didn't it happen that apps in their stores were infected with backdoor's not that long ago?
    Backdoor's may be present, they may be made intentionally, or they may simply occur accidentally.
    So there may still be backdoor's that just not had been found yet.

    Yes there was some apps that had backdoors but they could have been put in with an update and not when Google first checked them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans.KK View Post
    All nice, but didn't it happen that apps in their stores were infected with backdoor's not that long ago?
    Backdoor's may be present, they may be made intentionally, or they may simply occur accidentally.
    So there may still be backdoor's that just not had been found yet.
    Yeah it was Russian apps but they caught it. If it was Russia's or China's own app store then it would have gone unnoticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remington View Post
    It's going to be much more like surveillance or backdoor apps
    Going to be?
    All the world's Kremlin,
    And all the men and women merely agents

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatAndy View Post
    Going to be?


    Yeah what the hell is FACEBOOK? It's just there to gather your info to sell it. Google meet with Obama at the White House more than anyone else. What were they doing, having tea? I doubt that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remington View Post
    Russia will demand manufacturers or phone carriers to pre-install Russian apps on the phone and the only way apps can be deleted when phone is jailbroken or rooted.
    This could be worked around by simply using a dumbphone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Wally View Post
    How do you like your A70? How is battery life? I'm thinking of getting a Samsung A50 and A30 for the wife but I read Samsung in screen finger print scanner is having problems so I might just get two A30.
    recently bought a new phone, did my homework, Samsung ,huawei ,etc did my head in reading about specs, prices and what not.. In the shop, sales guy pointed out the phone vivo, specs and price much better than competition, so bought Vivo V17Neo, 6 GB ram, 128gb, decent camera, neat phone, check them out, worth it for what you pay, bought from mvideo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampwiz View Post
    This could be worked around by simply using a dumbphone.
    as i do since years. i have a -grandfather phone - with big buttons and nothing else.i did not even bother to activate whatever could be activated.... i make calls, read and write the odd SMA. and thats it.
    There is no greater treasure then pleasure....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge View Post
    recently bought a new phone, did my homework, Samsung ,huawei ,etc did my head in reading about specs, prices and what not.. In the shop, sales guy pointed out the phone vivo, specs and price much better than competition, so bought Vivo V17Neo, 6 GB ram, 128gb, decent camera, neat phone, check them out, worth it for what you pay, bought from mvideo.
    I already got the Samsung A51with 6 GB RAM 128 storage. I'm pretty happy with it, got a beautiful display and is running Android 10, but your Vivo should have Android 10 too since it just came out in December. Oh and your phone has 8 GB of RAM and has a Snapdragon 675 or 665 which should run Android very smoothly. But how much did you pay for it? I got my A51 for 18,100 rubles, your phone is closer in price to the Samsung A71 which has a 4500mAh battery but a 6.7 inch screen. I first got a Samsung A50 4/64 for 12,500 and was going to get the same for my wife but then I saw the A51and I had the extra 5500 so I got it. So far so good, phone works great, long battery life, cameras are very nice. The only thing is I got the black color, I didn't want to wait for the red to come out with 6GB, at the place where I got my phones. It's 23,000 rubles for that beautiful shiny red color, the A50 I got was a beautiful blue color that I really liked but it's a plastic back so gets scratch real easy and needs a case.

    Hint, try running the Yandex launcher, you lose a few Android functions but I think it's more comfortable and I loaded up with Yandex apps. Your phone runs a more pure Android so it might not matter much. Don't get me wrong, the Samsung launcher is good, much better UI than Samsung had before but the Yandex just makes it run simpler. I never liked the Samsung UI but they changed that a year ago.

    The only thing about your phone that I don't like is, it can only run two sim cards or one sim and SD card, the A51/A71 can have two sums and SD. I plan on getting a SanDisk 400 GB SD card soon so I can shoot lots of 4K video of my beautiful daughter.
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    I forgot to add the Samsung A71 has a 64 mega pixel camera while the Vivo 17 has a 48 megapixel camera. I should check out the price on those.
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    Judge, I just checked out the Vivo 17 and if you got the Neo then you paid 15,990, it has a 32 mp camera, uses the Mediatek MT 6780 Helio and runs Android 9, has NFC but no 4K video. The other Vivo 17 goes for 19,990 and has a 48mp camera, still no 4K and runs Android 9. But not to worry, you should be getting an update to Android 10 soon.

    Anyone looking for a phone should check out ekatalog.ru
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge View Post
    recently bought a new phone, did my homework, Samsung ,huawei ,etc did my head in reading about specs, prices and what not.. In the shop, sales guy pointed out the phone vivo, specs and price much better than competition, so bought Vivo V17Neo, 6 GB ram, 128gb, decent camera, neat phone, check them out, worth it for what you pay, bought from mvideo.
    One big deal breaker for me on your Vivo V17 neo is that it hasn't got Gorilla Glass 3, hope you got a screen protector. The reasons I went with the Samsung A50 at first was the beautiful screen, 1080 x 2400, with Gorilla glass 3, 4000 MhA battery, NFC, and is the lowest Samsung Galaxy A model to have the same UI as the more expensive phones, any lower and you don't get Samsung Pay. The Samsung A50 was also the second best selling phone in the world and I see why, good build, feels great in your hand and looks sharp. I up graded because my wife needed a phone too and thought it was better she didn't get anything less. I was going to get me an A50 with 128gb but when I saw the Samsung A51 was only 3000 rubles more I got that. It's a great phone and I'm sure it will be a big seller this year.

    I also got my wife a mi band 4 fitness band. She didn't want it at first but now loves the thing. I got tired of her missing my calls or messages and that's what these are great for. I got one for myself too because I'm deaf and never hear the phone ring and don't feel the vibration many times. I used to have to hold my phone in my hand while on the bus or metro but not anymore. Haven't missed a call yet. My wife has taken her mi band off once since she got it. She showers with it on. The battery lasts 14 days for us so it's not a big hassle charging it. They cost 1800 rubles and work great. They allow you more freedom from your phone.
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