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    Quote Originally Posted by americaninmoscow View Post


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Wally View Post
    Both Ukraine and the USofA shot down civilian aircraft by accident. It's not so far fetched.
    LOL!

    Soviet Union also shot down a passenger aircraft! If you have forgotten, a Korean 747 airliner (KAL007) was shot down in 1983 by a SU-15 Interceptor............

    As for MH-370, unless shot down with a pea shooter or a catapult, there would have been a large mid-air explosion which would have been identified and recorded by at least one of the US of A's many sensors.

    Why would the US of A cover up and conceal China's mistake?

    And, why would they dispatch surface vessels and submarines for an extended period searching for any wreckage on the seabed if they knew where it had been shot down?

    It seems to me that for everything that goes wrong in the World, you and others on this forum blame the so called 'Deep State'.....................

    As far as I am concerned, there is no Deep State, and if there was, they would not be that powerful or have a global reach.............
    Если враг в пределах досягаемости, то и вы тоже!


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    @tolka

    Ur half right with ur post above, but some how manage to pull defeat from the jaws of victory...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TolkoRaz View Post
    LOL!

    Soviet Union also shot down a passenger aircraft! If you have forgotten, a Korean 747 airliner (KAL007) was shot down in 1983 by a SU-15 ....
    But u do raise a good and valid point with the korean plane, if i remember correctly. There was a us senator on that plane and somehow, someway, the world just moved on and accepted tge official story although it was suspect .

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    Quote Originally Posted by americaninmoscow View Post
    But u do raise a good and valid point with the korean plane, if i remember correctly. There was a us senator on that plane and somehow, someway, the world just moved on and accepted tge official story although it was suspect .


    A US Senator you say? The CIA would not hesitate to kill a plane full of people just to get their target. Obama would bomb/drone weddings just to kill one person and would kill half of their family and their wife's family too. Remember too that the Korean plane went wildly off course. It was viewed as a spy plane and was shot down on propose. Ukraine and the US supposedly shot down those planes by accident. If the CIA wanted to shoot down a plane I am most certain that the US military would not squeal about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TolkoRaz View Post
    LOL!

    Soviet Union also shot down a passenger aircraft! If you have forgotten, a Korean 747 airliner (KAL007) was shot down in 1983 by a SU-15 Interceptor............

    As for MH-370, unless shot down with a pea shooter or a catapult, there would have been a large mid-air explosion which would have been identified and recorded by at least one of the US of A's many sensors.

    Why would the US of A cover up and conceal China's mistake?

    And, why would they dispatch surface vessels and submarines for an extended period searching for any wreckage on the seabed if they knew where it had been shot down?

    It seems to me that for everything that goes wrong in the World, you and others on this forum blame the so called 'Deep State'.....................

    As far as I am concerned, there is no Deep State, and if there was, they would not be that powerful or have a global reach.............


    The "Deep State" may be more understandable for you if we refer to it as the "permanent state". Presidents may come and even CIA heads but there are people who stay it government that are not elected that work there for 20 or 30 years. Do you really want us to believe the CIA changes every 4 to 8 years? What would happen to their drug dealing operations? The CIA works on their own and this whole Trump thing is exposing them.
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    Gulf of Tonkin, Weapons of Mass destruction, Serbian ethnic cleansing, Skripals, Syrian Government's Poison Gas Attacks, Battleship Maine, 9/11 (a product of the Saudi Arabian Deep State) and on and on and on...

    There is a "Deep State" and there are conspiracies, and the FBI did spy on Donald trump, and the Obama administration did abuse the power of the IRS and intelligence agencies to interfere in the American political process.

    The undercover agents know the media is a "useful idiot" who will whip up public opinion to compel and legitimize political and/or military action by the entrenched establishment currently in power.

    The world will be a much better place when the rocks covering up the activities of the Deep States (not just in the US, but in nations all over the globe) are removed and the light of day shines on their nefarious machinations.
    Government is like Fertilizer. A little is good, too much is a pile of crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Wally View Post
    A US Senator you say? The CIA would not hesitate to kill a plane full of people just to get their target. Obama would bomb/drone weddings just to kill one person and would kill half of their family and their wife's family too. Remember too that the Korean plane went wildly off course. It was viewed as a spy plane and was shot down on propose. Ukraine and the US supposedly shot down those planes by accident. If the CIA wanted to shoot down a plane I am most certain that the US military would not squeal about it.
    Uncle Wally, It was the Soviets who attacked the plane, not the Americans on this occasion................the US Navy shot down the Iranian Airbus, not the Korean airliner.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Wally View Post
    The "Deep State" may be more understandable for you if we refer to it as the "permanent state". Presidents may come and even CIA heads but there are people who stay it government that are not elected that work there for 20 or 30 years. Do you really want us to believe the CIA changes every 4 to 8 years? What would happen to their drug dealing operations? The CIA works on their own and this whole Trump thing is exposing them.
    Uncle Wally, the Chiefs / Heads and Senior Leadership rotate and change every so many years; they are the decision makers.

    If you expect the bulk of any organisation to be made redundant every 4 or 5 years, you will have no depth of experience, no career progression, no motivation, and a totally ineffective organisation...............is that what you want?

    Do you think that your so called 'permanent state' is only relevant to the US of A?

    The BND, DGSE, SVR etc all operate the same way as do the majority of commercial companies................

    Nothing sinister in that at all........

    For some reason, it is mainly Americans who see conspiracies and cry about the existence of a 'Deep State'.....................perhaps Americans make and watch too many sensationalised & over-dramatised films about rogue CIA units and other covert Government departments working alone................ they make good cinema, but they are pure escapism and fantasy............
    Если враг в пределах досягаемости, то и вы тоже!


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    Quote Originally Posted by TolkoRaz View Post
    Uncle Wally, It was the Soviets who attacked the plane, not the Americans on this occasion................the US Navy shot down the Iranian Airbus, not the Korean airliner.........


    I understand that and I also understand that the Soviets shot the plane down on purpose. They said it was a spy plane in Soviet air space. It was in Soviet air space. The Iranian plane was supposedly shot down by accident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TolkoRaz View Post
    Uncle Wally, the Chiefs / Heads and Senior Leadership rotate and change every so many years; they are the decision makers.

    If you expect the bulk of any organisation to be made redundant every 4 or 5 years, you will have no depth of experience, no career progression, no motivation, and a totally ineffective organisation...............is that what you want?

    Do you think that your so called 'permanent state' is only relevant to the US of A?

    The BND, DGSE, SVR etc all operate the same way as do the majority of commercial companies................

    Nothing sinister in that at all........

    For some reason, it is mainly Americans who see conspiracies and cry about the existence of a 'Deep State'.....................perhaps Americans make and watch too many sensationalised & over-dramatised films about rogue CIA units and other covert Government departments working alone................ they make good cinema, but they are pure escapism and fantasy............


    Sorry but I respectfully disagree. No matter who the US president is US policies stay the same. You may have noticed that only very little has changed under Trump and now in fact is going backwards. He drained the swamp but only far enough so the Bush era spooks could stick their little war criminal head above water. You don't hear Trump talking about the CIA anymore do you? Trump hired a new FBI director and what does he do? He refuses to give congress the info they have every right to see. Trump was either a CIA plant or he gave up and is just going along.
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    Anyways I would be more likely to believe the plane was crashed on purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Wally View Post
    Anyways I would be more likely to believe the plane was crashed on purpose.
    Suicidal pilot / flightcrew?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TolkoRaz View Post
    Suicidal pilot / flightcrew?


    Yes, seems like it could be. Who was on the flight? Anyone the US would want dead? If not, then a nose dive into the ocean.
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