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    Are the pavements taking over?

    Having returned to Moscow after my recovery I drove to a meeting on Pokrovski Blvd ( where I first worked when I arrived in 1990) this morning and could not believe the extent of the changes. It appears the plan to alleviate the traffic issues will do just the opposite .......
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    Quote Originally Posted by vossy7 View Post
    Having returned to Moscow after my recovery I drove to a meeting on Pokrovski Blvd ( where I first worked when I arrived in 1990) this morning and could not believe the extent of the changes. It appears the plan to alleviate the traffic issues will do just the opposite .......
    don-t think so. the good mayor wants to keep more cars OUT of the city center. Good for him.one does not need a car to drive to the toilet around the corner. neither to the supermarket which is a block down the road. though they seem to forget the most important thing.above public transport must get absolute and foremost priority. and not only in the city center. also out in the suburbs and closer to town. does not help if the bus or tram also gets stuck in the morning and evening traffic jams.#and the MOST important thing at all. if there is an accident and no people came to harm, priority must be given to get traffic moving as fast as possible. everyone and their dog have an iPhone these days. make pictures, get the cars out of the way, let traffic flow. argue about the issues that might arise on the side of the read. but that is a dream.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benedikt View Post
    don-t think so. the good mayor wants to keep more cars OUT of the city center. Good for him.one does not need a car to drive to the toilet around the corner. neither to the supermarket which is a block down the road. though they seem to forget the most important thing.above public transport must get absolute and foremost priority. and not only in the city center. also out in the suburbs and closer to town. does not help if the bus or tram also gets stuck in the morning and evening traffic jams.#and the MOST important thing at all. if there is an accident and no people came to harm, priority must be given to get traffic moving as fast as possible. everyone and their dog have an iPhone these days. make pictures, get the cars out of the way, let traffic flow. argue about the issues that might arise on the side of the read. but that is a dream.....
    Ben I admire your optimism but taking out complet traffic lanes and replacing them with unnecessarily wide pavements is not going to stoping people using their cars. Introducing heavy zone charges may be more of an incentive . A sizeable number of my good Russian friends wouldn't be seen dead on the Metro. Only time will tell the outcome of some of the widest pavements on the globe
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    Agree with Vossy. "The good mayor" may rot in hell for all I efiin care. Turning my entire city into a warzone, and for yet another dumb ass idea! The quality of the work is, of course, beautiful as per normal. I used to nag my expat friends to come see my beautiful city - "the good mayor" has totally taken care of that! These past few years I have felt nothing but shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by natlee View Post
    Agree with Vossy. "The good mayor" may rot in hell for all I efiin care. Turning my entire city into a warzone, and for yet another dumb ass idea! The quality of the work is, of course, beautiful as per normal. I used to nag my expat friends to come see my beautiful city - "the good mayor" has totally taken care of that! These past few years I have felt nothing but shame.
    There might be of course a reason behind all that? Maybe they are doing it for this years FIFA and next years world cup football games? Where many visitors will come to Moscow. and the good mayor wants to show them a great city with wide pavements, lots of greens and flowers? And in 2019 things will change again.....
    Not to be seen dead on -in the Metro? With all these new trains? All russian and english language announcements? Plans and stations written in both languages? The new trains all air con ? i would not be seen dead in a CAR in the center! Cruising around for 2h to find parking? And than still have to walk a mile to an appointment? When the metro station is around the corner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benedikt View Post
    Not to be seen dead on -in the Metro? With all these new trains? All russian and english language announcements? Plans and stations written in both languages? The new trains all air con ? i would not be seen dead in a CAR in the center! Cruising around for 2h to find parking? And than still have to walk a mile to an appointment? When the metro station is around the corner?
    Ben , I have and still use the Metro on a daily basis , I also drive where and when I feel it is appropriate .
    I was referring to a huge section of the Muscovite population who for whatever reason prefer to drive come hell or high water.....that's the way it is and I believe that's the way it will always be . Moscow is my adopted home and I love and defend it dearly and yes there have been incredible improvements since I arrived 27 years ago but at a big cost of losing so many trees
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    Quote Originally Posted by natlee View Post
    Agree with Vossy. "The good mayor" may rot in hell for all I efiin care. Turning my entire city into a warzone, and for yet another dumb ass idea! The quality of the work is, of course, beautiful as per normal. I used to nag my expat friends to come see my beautiful city - "the good mayor" has totally taken care of that! These past few years I have felt nothing but shame.
    There's no pleasing everyone....all will be in order just before the footy world cup kicks off..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge View Post
    There's no pleasing everyone....all will be in order just before the footy world cup kicks off..
    And I will be a 100% supporter of the Russian team......unless of course the freaking Paddies get off their collected arses and qualify from their group and then it will be Rusish support of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge View Post
    There's no pleasing everyone....all will be in order just before the footy world cup kicks off..
    LOL! You have got to be kidding.

    Do me a favor, come closer to the 'work' they're doing and take a real good look In fact, come to my area - I will buy you tea @ the nearby Shokoladnitsa with a real good view!

    I used to be like you and Ben, looking forward to the, um, progress (?), thinking it was all worth it, but my area (2 metro stops from the Red Square and crap ) has been a war zone every summer (+spring and fall) since Sobyanin took office and they have yet to make an improvement to what it was like before I ever learned his name! I cannot recall a time other than in the winter that my little one was able to use any of the local playgrounds which are forever undergoing.. feck knows! Improvements my ass!
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    On a more positive note - welcome back, Vossy! How are you doing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by natlee View Post
    LOL! You have got to be kidding.

    Do me a favor, come closer to the 'work' they're doing and take a real good look In fact, come to my area - I will buy you tea @ the nearby Shokoladnitsa with a real good view!

    I used to be like you and Ben, looking forward to the, um, progress (?), thinking it was all worth it, but my area (2 metro stops from the Red Square and crap ) has been a war zone every summer (+spring and fall) since Sobyanin took office and they have yet to make an improvement to what it was like before I ever learned his name! I cannot recall a time other than in the winter that my little one was able to use any of the local playgrounds which are forever undergoing.. feck knows! Improvements my ass!



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    Quote Originally Posted by natlee View Post
    On a more positive note - welcome back, Vossy! How are you doing?
    Cheers Nat, I had back surgery after decades of abuse of my body through crazy sports and freaking dancing.....happily the surgery went better than expected
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    Quote Originally Posted by natlee View Post


    Doesn't look that bad.


    I must say though that just 5 nights ago they were painting new crosswalks near me. Two nights ago they ripped off the top layer of pavement on the same street and put down new asphalt. I'm guessing tomorrow they will paint new crosswalks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Wally View Post
    Doesn't look that bad.
    I might take a few more in the next few days, if I have the time
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