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    Quote Originally Posted by benitor View Post
    I want to clarify that I am not interested to be right, but just to understand how things really are.
    I told in my previous post that I found the correct interpretation of the law, and I consider that interpretation correct because it comes from the official site of the ministry of interior of Russian Federation. I also gave instructions on how to to reach that page and you can also print it.
    Do you think that the official site of ministry of interior can be wrong? Do you have a more trusted source of information?
    I think the law is vaguely worded to allow room for interpretation, which means that what is allowed in one case may not be in another. I live and work here, so the six month rule in whatever format doesn't worry me as I'm here permanently other than for holidays and business trips. If you're confident in the information you have then you should do as you think best. I have no vested interest in proving you wrong. Who knows, there may be a time when I need to be out of the country for an extended period of time, but still want to keep my PRP. I'd be interested to know whether you're a tax resident though.

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    It's really wonderful to discuss the topic without sticking to one point of view and extract 'quite clear' picture !!

    I spent almost 175 days in my home country and returned back to Russia in order to retain my PRP ( keeping in mind that 183 days in Russia is MUST). But I was always anxious as what if there is any emergency in my home country and I am forced to leave Russia longer than a week? ( I though that I would not only loose PRP, but would also become tax-resident in home country (both the situations are unpleasant)

    Now, thanks to this discussion, I know that I won't loose my PRP right away... at least not at the Moscow Airport on re-entry !!

    Also, Now I am clear that Citizenship is probably the best option for those who doesn't know how long they would have to stay in Russia OR in their home country .....I know that my wife was there in my home country for almost 10 yrs without worrying about maintaining any stay and tax requirement in her home country Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RooRu View Post
    I think the law is vaguely worded to allow room for interpretation, which means that what is allowed in one case may not be in another. I live and work here, so the six month rule in whatever format doesn't worry me as I'm here permanently other than for holidays and business trips. If you're confident in the information you have then you should do as you think best. I have no vested interest in proving you wrong. Who knows, there may be a time when I need to be out of the country for an extended period of time, but still want to keep my PRP. I'd be interested to know whether you're a tax resident though.
    I have PRP, but it is not important to me to be tax resident because I retired, and receive my pension in my home country that is Italy. So I pay taxes on pension in Italy, I pay no tax in Russia as in Russia I have no earnings. I do not have big problem to spend in Russia more than 183 days per year, but I am concerned in case I would have a familiar problem or a serious health problem, because in that case it would be more convenient to me to be cured in Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benitor View Post
    I have PRP, but it is not important to me to be tax resident because I retired, and receive my pension in my home country that is Italy. So I pay taxes on pension in Italy, I pay no tax in Russia as in Russia I have no earnings. I do not have big problem to spend in Russia more than 183 days per year, but I am concerned in case I would have a familiar problem or a serious health problem, because in that case it would be more convenient to me to be cured in Italy.
    Thanks. Good to know that if I need to go back for an extended period it doesn't automatically mean losing my PRP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vossy7 View Post
    Ahh,your wife has the 'retire in the sun' bug as well.....get her to read some of the horror stories about expats in Spain and similar places.
    My wife is Russian (of course) but was born in Tashkent and spent the first 30 years of her life in that climate, which is very similar to California. She's never adapted to Moscow style climate (we live in Nizhny) despite many years here. She, too, would like to retire where it is warmer, but she and I both have no illusions about places like Spain (wretched condo misery on the coast) or Florida (wretched condo misery on the coast plus unbearable swamplike humidity, alligators, cockroaches the size of eggplants and old people rotting away...).

    We would have loved to get a dacha in Suzdal or some other fine place but those were so expensive in cost and travel time that we ended up getting a fine old stone house in a small town easily reached by train from Paris. It's a fraction of the cost of what dachas (well... "cottages"...) cost around Nizhny and the travel time to and fro is about the same, except that instead of spending five hours locked in traffic it is an hour to Moscow and then three and a half hours to France by plane.

    But I agree on not wanting to spend six months away from Russia. We spend the winters in Russia, six months at a stretch, because we like the cultural season and the holidays. We spent one New Year's in France and it was dead. The village was completely closed up, all shutters on all windows closed, and not a soul in sight. At midnight there wasn't a single gunshot or firecracker, and nobody walking around. In contrast, last New Year's in Nizhny was absolutely epic. A month or so in France is enough country life and variety for us. Long term? California? God, I hope not...

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    Nota bene ......The vagaries of administrators the world over are legendary
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    Yes my wife has a bad case of the Spain bug. She went on vacation near Malaga in late May a few years ago without me and stayed in a villa. The weather was perfect and she made friends with a British woman. Now she has this idea in her head that Spain is paradise. We’re going there in September on vacation but we have agreed not to move there until we visit in January, in the dead of winter.

    I’m semi-retired with rental income in Russia and can’t see why we shouldn’t stay here. I agree, the place to celebrate the winter holidays is Russia. It lasts from a week before Christmas until the third week of January. Summers at the dacha are brilliant with the sun up until the late hours. There are so many places in Russia I want to see, Altai, the area up north around Murmansk and more. I speak the language, have many old and close friends here and am at home.

    There’s nothing wrong with vacationing in Spain but to move there? With a bunch of half broke pensioners sitting around on their backsides?

    I have heard it’s possible to get cheap rentals in Spain well away from the coast, where Spanish people live and there are few ex-pats. That’s what I’m interested in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xt-tsi View Post
    Yes my wife has a bad case of the Spain bug. She went on vacation near Malaga in late May a few years ago without me and stayed in a villa. The weather was perfect and she made friends with a British woman. Now she has this idea in her head that Spain is paradise. We’re going there in September on vacation but we have agreed not to move there until we visit in January, in the dead of winter.

    I’m semi-retired with rental income in Russia and can’t see why we shouldn’t stay here. I agree, the place to celebrate the winter holidays is Russia. It lasts from a week before Christmas until the third week of January. Summers at the dacha are brilliant with the sun up until the late hours. There are so many places in Russia I want to see, Altai, the area up north around Murmansk and more. I speak the language, have many old and close friends here and am at home.

    There’s nothing wrong with vacationing in Spain but to move there? With a bunch of half broke pensioners sitting around on their backsides?

    I have heard it’s possible to get cheap rentals in Spain well away from the coast, where Spanish people live and there are few ex-pats. That’s what I’m interested in.
    Now that sounds so familiar ........we have looked at so many 'places in the sun' over the last 20 years or so. Walked away from a place in Portugal 15 years ago and lost a huge deposit after learning we would not be allowed to alter the exterior of the olive mill . Since then we have done a lot more due diligence , we go onto the expat sites in the countries we are contemplating .......e.g. Spain ......a lot of English people who bought there are very concerned about the increase in crime . We are currently looking at southern Italy .......to be honest I much prefer lolling about at our dacha......but then again the will of a Russian wife knows no bounds
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    Quote Originally Posted by vossy7 View Post
    Now that sounds so familiar ........we have looked at so many 'places in the sun' over the last 20 years or so. Walked away from a place in Portugal 15 years ago and lost a huge deposit after learning we would not be allowed to alter the exterior of the olive mill . Since then we have done a lot more due diligence , we go onto the expat sites in the countries we are contemplating .......e.g. Spain ......a lot of English people who bought there are very concerned about the increase in crime . We are currently looking at southern Italy .......to be honest I much prefer lolling about at our dacha......but then again the will of a Russian wife knows no bounds
    What is wrong with the Emerald Isle?

    The weather?
    Если враг в пределах досягаемости, то и вы тоже!


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg0sKG2gmFo - Только раз бывает в жизни встреча

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    Quote Originally Posted by TolkoRaz View Post
    What is wrong with the Emerald Isle?

    The weather?
    We were in Dublin last week , I missed the first explosion in property prices .......and now realise I missed the second.....Google , Facebook , Airbnb , LinkedIn are buying up all the available properties in Dublin for the thousands of people they are hiring from all over the world .......my niece works for them and she brought us into the cafeteria for lunch ....unbelievable , very few Irish people ......Google alone employ 5000 there......
    Back to your question ......the weather and the alcohol
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    Well, I began a campaign on two fronts, one was pointing out the risks of buying property in some hot country like Spain and the other was living in a hot country like Spain. Now the unstoppable force of nature that is my wonderful wife has realized the advantages of renting. We have a couple of friends who have beautiful, costly properties in Spain. Maintenance is a tough slog and costs are high. They don't have the freedom to go on vacation in other places like we do. It's too hot in Spain during July and August. A buddy of mine is dreaming of selling his place in Spain but can't, without taking a loss after all of his improvements.

    So that debate is resolve, at least for now. My wife still has her heart set on Spain. Here's a funny thing. As soon as the temperature goes up, she is miserable.

    So I'm kicking the can down the road. I'm willing to go to Spain and sniff around.

    I've realized the will of a wife is not a Russian wife thing. I have friends in the US my age who are having the same discussion. Let's go where it's sunny!

    Good luck!

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    [QUOTE=xt-tsi

    I've realized the will of a wife is not a Russian wife thing. I have friends in the US my age who are having the same discussion. Let's go where it's sunny!
    Well having been married to a German then Italian .......my Russian wife is the canniest of all ......but I wouldn't trade her for the world!
    Agree with the renting, a lot more flexible ......good luck to you too
    “You don't love someone for their looks, or their clothes, or for their fancy car, but because they sing a song only you can hear.”
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    Thanks! Yes, renting it shall be. Also, I appreciate the views and insights I’m getting here and elsewhere on what it’s like in these coastal resort areas in winter. I remember spending some time in Spain on a business trip during January in Merida. I drove to a nearby resort and it was a ghost town. Empty villa after villa propped up on the hills above the coastline, shuttered restaurants and a few stragglers on the beach. Merida was hopping though and I remember thinking, why not live in a normal Spanish town? After being an expat all these years, the main thing is to learn the language and live among real people, not outsiders.

    Thanks and will post something somewhere about Spain once I get back.

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