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    PRP - new passport - what to do? how to get a PRP stamp in the new passport?

    Hello everyone,

    Here is the situation. We got our PRP in March 2016, and then the passport expired in November 2016 and we received new passport.

    What is the current process? Has anyone done it? What documents you need to submit?

    I tried to search the internet - the official website of MVD sheds little light on the subject, mostly covering how to apply for a new PRP or how to renew the existing PRP.

    Oh, and the other thing.
    That lovely centre at Novoslododskaya 45 has been moved on November 7th, 2016. They moved it to a new Mulitfunctional Migration Centre at 64th kilometer of Varshavskoye shosse (not far from village Sakharovo). This is 45 km from MKAD.

    Website for MMC: https://mc.mos.ru/

    Quote from MVD site:
    "
    Уважаемые граждане!

    С 4 ноября 2016 года приём граждан и лиц без гражданства по вопросам оформления и выдачи разрешений на временное проживание и видов на жительство, а также приёма в гражданство Российской Федерации в Паспортно-визовом центре по адресу: г. Москва, ул. Новослободская, д. 45, корп. Б прекращен полностью.

    Данные государственные услуги и функции с 7 ноября 2016 года централизованно оказываются только в Многофункциональном миграционном центре г. Москвы по адресу: г. Москва, 64-й километр Варшавского шоссе, п. Вороновское, домовладение 1, строение 47 (близ деревни Сахарово).

    Подробную информацию о месте расположения ММЦ, времени работы, а также схемы проезда на личном и общественном транспорте можно узнать на сайте: https://mc.mos.ru
    "
    Unquote.

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    How to get to the new MF Migration Center

    Fresh air, and far from all that congestion in the center of Moscow. Convenient buses that run every 40 minutes from Metro Annino! http://mc.mos.ru/mmc/contacts/

    Schedule for residence permits and citizenship: http://mc.mos.ru/residence-permit-citizenship/

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    Hi,
    In the current legislation including reglament of FMS regarding PRP the procedure regarding "transfer" of PRP stamp (перенос штампа ВНЖ в новый паспорт) is not provided and there is no penalty if you do not put this stamp.

    But in Russian practise!!! the inspectors say and insist that once you get new paspport, you must do the following:
    1. Make notarized translation of copy of new passport into Russian language,
    2. Within 7 working days after receipt of the new passport go to the new migration center in Saharovo, go to the point (window) where they give people new ready PRP, take a ticket (talon), wait and quie there (normaly people say that it is possible to manage to get access to inspector within 1 day.
    3. Once your quie is ready you meet with inspector give him originals of new and old passports, PRP and translation of the new passport. At the same time inspector will give you an application form which you must fill in in Russian language according to which you ask MVD to put PRP stamp into the new passport, indicating in the application the details of passport.
    4. The inspector will take passport translation and the application forever and will return you the original passport and PRP at the same day, usually in front of you.
    Afterwards they will put the details of new passport into migration data base.

    Note: The inspectors warn that if you don't do this procedure, border passport control people may not let you out or let you in back to the country, which is not exactly true and legal, but it may happen.

    So better do this procedure as quickly as possible.

    Also people say that security in Saharovo do not let inside the building Russian citizents escorting foreigners (even spoces). So be prepared to write application form in Russian by yourself.

    Please share you experience on this topic later

    Thanks

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    PS: Just in case better make translation of all the pages of the new passport

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    xp@, Rosstis, thanks!

    Rosstis, this is more or less what I discovered this week.
    Article 139 of the Administrative reglament has been re-written and now states the procedure for when you change your name/date/place of birth, and no mention of the change of passport number.

    And I thoroughly agree with inspectors that they need to somehow update the data base with the new passport details - otherwise how can they track the foreign citizens! :-)

    well, off we go to Sakharovo this morning. Quite a challenge it will be, keep your fingers crossed!

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    pudding, stop, don't go today!!!, because on Saturdays and Sandays work only those inspectors who recieve applications for PRP but not those who issue ready made PRP. The latter ones work only during working days. So don't go on weekend days!

    Hope you will read this message before you go to Saharovo

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    Hi Rosstis,

    Thanks for trying to stop me - but I was determined to check out the place anyway. I knew that the unit I needed would be closed on Saturday/Sunday as per their schedule, but nevertheless hoped for the best.
    It was a nice drive out of Moscow, and plenty of fresh air. :-) We took a flask of tea and tuna fish sandwiches.

    so we got there at about 11 am and it felt like we landed in Uzbekistan - all the migrants busy queueing up to apply/receive their patents. It's a bit of a Fort Knox there - the first set of security guards checking the passport just to let you walk to the second set of security guards and the gates.
    So the first set of security guards let me through once I explained that husband speaks almost no Russian and needed my help. The guard also warned that his being kind to me doesn't mean I would get lucky with the second line of defense.

    Sure enough the second guard asked exactly the same question - what is the purpose of my visit to this migrant place. "It doesn't matter that your husband doesn't speak Russian, our migrant centre has got translators and highly skilled professionals" - he told me. So it was only when I pulled out a power of attorney (which we did awhile back) that he considered letting me in and indeed we did go in together.

    We found out in which building the "lovely" process of updating passport number with the PRP happens, the doors were closed and we turned back to the parking lot.

    So far I have done a passport translation of foto page and last page with emergency contacts. the passport is empty - trip to Russia was the first one so far in the passport = what's there to translate?
    Anyway, I will think about doing a full version - rosstis, did you also translate the wording on pages 3-6 - the little script about EU/etc?

    We will attempt once again to "conquer" this far away Fort Know on Wednesday/Thursday. :-)

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    Dear pudding,

    Thanks for your info.
    We have not pass this procedere yet. Plan to do it January. So if you share you recent experience, I will be pleased.
    Re. passport, translation of all pages was requested when we did prolongation of PRP not long time ago, so I assume (but not sure) that they will request all pages translation in the stamp transfer procedure. So I advise you to translate all closes. Even if you passed the Russian border with new passport, you mast "translate" Russian stamp of border control. The translator in this case will mention something like the word stamp (дата штамп) etc.

    What kind of magic power of attorney you have which allowed the Russian citizen get inside this "lovely" place?

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    Rosstis, good night!

    it's a general power of attorney, which provides quite a wide range of authorities to me. The one that the 2nd security guard was looking for was "to represent and deal on my behalf with all state bodies and authorities, including but not limited ... (and here you can list them)". this bit was enough. I looked up a template online, but then the notary had their own version which more or less gave the powers we were looking for.
    Strictly speaking with such PoA and for our case (just to transfer the stamp from old passport to new passport) - I suppose I could go in all by myself without my husband.

    We did a mini passport translation (page with foto and emergency addresses) for TRP (but then we applied online and as such provided the documents after the TRP was approved), so they took the translation we had without any complaining.

    For PRP we did a full translation - but I can't recall if we did the text on pages 3-6 or not. The translation was rather simplistic - page 5 stamp, page 6 stamp stamp stamp, i.e. there was no translation of the stamp itself, but it worked.

    So will keep you posted on our progress.

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    Am I understanding you all right, the new place is 40km out of Moscow, I just typed in the address, so far out, need a good half of a day to waste...
    No wonder agencies is the way to go.... Looks like the next best step is Russian citizenship, less of a hassle.

    A question for people in the know, once receiving PRP, when can you apply for citizenship?
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    Thinking about this move, it was to be expected, the plan was when they expanded Moscow was to move adminstration work out from the centre....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge View Post
    Am I understanding you all right, the new place is 40km out of Moscow, I just typed in the address, so far out, need a good half of a day to waste...
    No wonder agencies is the way to go.... Looks like the next best step is Russian citizenship, less of a hassle.

    A question for people in the know, once receiving PRP, when can you apply for citizenship?
    The problem there is that Russia insists that you give up your former citizenship. I was never clear on this, is this enforced? How? Before it used to be you only had to mail a letter to your consulate, now as I understand after one year of receiving Russian citizenship you must present proof that you've given up for former citizenship. What about countries like the US where there is a substantial fee for giving up citizenship? I'd like to get Russian citizenship but not at the expense of my former one. In my family everybody has dual Russian/US citizenship (wife, children), I don't want to be the only one (again!) left with just one.
    "What we need, as the ancients understood, is not a politician who is a business man, but a king who is a philosopher." -- G.K. Chesterton

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    Must be some change to this, a Russian is entitled to hold more than one citizenship, why can't someone who wants to become a Russian citizen...I don't think the film actors and sports people had to give up their citizenship to become Russian..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge View Post
    Must be some change to this, a Russian is entitled to hold more than one citizenship, why can't someone who wants to become a Russian citizen...I don't think the film actors and sports people had to give up their citizenship to become Russian..
    I'm sure they didn't. I think the reasoning is there should be no "divided loyalties," which is crap IMO. I hope it is not the case that it is required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogatyr View Post
    I'm sure they didn't. I think the reasoning is there should be no "divided loyalties," which is crap IMO. I hope it is not the case that it is required.
    This shows the application to renounce current citizenship is still part of the formula. Presidential decree obviously can skip this part.
    http://77rc.ru/eng/live/russian-citizenship/
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