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    What is it about Waco....should be called Wacko!


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    Nothing wrong with the name, go back to the 1850s,swap bikes for horses,
    sports bar for a Saloon ,two rival gangs crossing paths...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge View Post
    Nothing wrong with the name, go back to the 1850s,swap bikes for horses,
    sports bar for a Saloon ,two rival gangs crossing paths...
    And the common denominator ......

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    : Waco police were in part blaming management of the Twin Peaks restaurant where a shooting occurred Sunday that left nine people dead.
    “In 34 years of law enforcement, this is the most violent crime scene I have ever seen,” Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said. “There are bodies still here.”
    Swanton said managers at the restaurant were aware that tensions between biker gangs were building at the location. The restaurant was hosting a biker event where at least two gangs were using the restaurant as a place to recruit new members, Swanton said.
    For more than a week, police had been aware of the event and had asked Twin Peaks management to shut it down in fears that it could turn violent. Those fears were confirmed Sunday when a fight that broke out in a restaurant bathroom spilled out into a bar area and then into the parking lot, Swanton said.
    There it turned fatal. Nine are dead, and the death toll could rise, as 18 others are in hospitals, Swanton said.
    Police were still combing through the crime scene, where Swanton said they have found more than 100 weapons, including guns, knives and chains, he said.
    Police at the scene did fire upon bikers when weapons were pointed toward them. However, in the chaotic gun fight, it was unclear who shot whom, police said.
    Law enforcement from the sheriff’s office, McLennan County, the FBI and surrounding communities have swarmed into Waco. The city was on full alert as rumors swirled of continued violence between gangs.
    Swanton said police have intelligence that numerous bikers were on the way to the city. If seen, they would be arrested, he said.
    Earlier: Police have confirmed that a shootout between rival biker gangs left nine people killed at a Waco restaurant Sunday.
    The shooting also left 18 injured from gunshot and stab wounds, according to multiple reports.
    Police have closed off the entire Central Texas Marketplace, the location of the Twin Peaks restaurant where the shooting occurred, stating that the area is not safe for anyone to enter. There were fears that members of rival biker gangs may come to the area, Waco station KCEN reported. Three people have been arrested while trying to enter the scene, police said.
    Eight people died at the scene and one died at a local hospital, according to the Associated Press.
    All nine fatalities were bikers, according to the KCEN report.

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    9 dead! I do not think that will be the end of it! Retribution & Revenge attacks will most likely occur.

    Setting that aside, this is another result of guns being easily accessible and freely carried on the person.

    When will the US of A learn that so many guns in the hands of its untrained citizens is not the mark of a civilised country or of a global leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge View Post
    Nothing wrong with the name, go back to the 1850s,swap bikes for horses,
    sports bar for a Saloon ,two rival gangs crossing paths...
    A good analogy - the mindset has not changed since the days of the cowboy & the 6-shooter!
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    One of the biker gangs was named, Cossacks.
    If you trust the government you obviously failed history class. " George Carlin"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Wally View Post
    One of the biker gangs was named, Cossacks.
    The long hand of Moscow/NKVD/KGB/FSB... and personally The Darkest Lord has reached peaceful US citizens.
    All the world's Kremlin,
    And all the men and women merely agents

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatAndy View Post
    The long hand of Moscow/NKVD/KGB/FSB... and personally The Darkest Lord has reached peaceful US citizens.

    Peaceful? Anything but peaceful.
    If you trust the government you obviously failed history class. " George Carlin"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TolkoRaz View Post
    Setting that aside, this is another result of guns being easily accessible and freely carried on the person.
    When will the US of A learn that so many guns in the hands of its untrained citizens is not the mark of a civilised country or of a global leader.
    Respectfully disagree, look how easy it was for the Germans to start arresting and massacring Jews once the 1938 gun law allowed them to take away their firearms
    The 2nd amendment is the only thing protecting Americans from having even more of their wealth & liberty taken away by the Feds!
    Yes the bikers were highly untrained, if it's true that hundreds of rounds were fired then it's amazing that only nine were killed...these are either biker clubs for the colorblind or these chumps have never been to a range!
    Of course it's sad that that nine died but I'm 100% sure that more lives are saved annually by legal firearm owners so these nine are a negligible price to pay for that protection.
    And please remember according to the FBI stats more are murdered annually by "fists and bludgeon objects" than scary-looking long arms ("assault rifles") so please dig a little deeper before you start clamoring to ban firearms!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicklcool View Post
    Respectfully disagree, look how easy it was for the Germans to start arresting and massacring Jews once the 1938 gun law allowed them to take away their firearms
    The 2nd amendment is the only thing protecting Americans from having even more of their wealth & liberty taken away by the Feds!
    Yes the bikers were highly untrained, if it's true that hundreds of rounds were fired then it's amazing that only nine were killed...these are either biker clubs for the colorblind or these chumps have never been to a range!
    Of course it's sad that that nine died but I'm 100% sure that more lives are saved annually by legal firearm owners so these nine are a negligible price to pay for that protection.
    And please remember according to the FBI stats more are murdered annually by "fists and bludgeon objects" than scary-looking long arms ("assault rifles") so please dig a little deeper before you start clamoring to ban firearms!!
    GUN VIOLENCE in the UNITED STATES

    Some Indicative Data:

    Gun Ownership

    The US has an estimated 283 million guns in civilian hands
    Each year about 4.5 million firearms, including approximately 2 million handguns, are sold in the United States

    An estimated 2 million second hand firearms are sold each year
    The percentage of American households with a gun has been steadily declining (high of 54% in 1977 to 33% in 2009)

    The average number of guns per owner has increased from 4.1 in 1994 to 6.9 in 2004.

    Sources: Injury Prevention (2007); ATF (2000); National Opinion Research Center (2008); Pew Research Center (2009)

    Gun Deaths:

    More than 30,000 people are killed by firearms each year in this country

    More than 30 people are shot and murdered each day

    1/2 of them are between the ages of 18 and 35

    1/3 of them are under the age of 20

    Homicide is the second leading cause of death among 15-24 year-olds

    And the primary cause of death among African Americans of that age group

    Gun Homicides (average annually):

    Less than 50: Japan

    Less than 150: Germany, Italy, France, etc.

    Less than 200: Canada

    More than 10,000: USA

    Source: IANSA (International Action Network on Small Arms of the United Nations)

    Injuries and Deaths from Guns

    Everytime a gun injures or kills in self-defense, one is used:

    11 times for a completed or attempted suicide
    7 times in a criminal assault or homicide
    4 times in an unintentional shooting death or injury

    Source: Journal of Trauma, injury, Infection and Critical Care (1998)


    The figures above speak for themselves!

    You can fit a silencer to a weapon, but you cannot silence the figures!

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    QUOTE=TolkoRaz;1418866]

    The figures above speak for themselves!

    You can fit a silencer to a weapon, but you cannot silence the figures!

    http://heedinggodscall.org/content/pfctoolkit-10[/QUOTE]
    Great stats, TolkoRaz, thanks for sharing!
    Sadly though the oft cited fact of higher firearm death rates in the USA vs other countries is about as useful as Obama's stimulus was for our limping economy!
    Guns are effectively (or at least comparatively) illegal in those other countries, so if the gun death rates were higher in those countries, it would be nothing short of a miracle!. I'll bet if you compare deaths by equally available means in the countries, such as bludgeon objects, fists and legs, knives, etc, they'd be at least within a standard deviation of each other.
    One last thing, yes, the stats show that firearms are more prevalent in America, and yes, firearm deaths are greater in number (duh!), but is the relationship causal?? I think it's merely correlated, and I bet that there are other much more causal factors....we'll just say socioeconomic factors are more predicative of death by firearm than the availability of the firearms, and leave it at that
    The point being! The comparison of firearm deaths by country is so overused, and so utterly useless...what else would you expect, when the firearms are much more legally available here than across the pond!? Likewise, I think the other stats are overused in the assumption that they're causal...IMHO (non PC alert! Cover your ears if you fear trigger topics!) race and economic status are much much more predicative of likelihood of death by firearm, than the mere fact that the 2nd amendment allows law abiding Americans to own firearms :0
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    Is there therefore not a justifiable reason, based upon the stats, to remove firearms from the majority of civilians (with the exception of farmers etc)?
    Если враг в пределах досягаемости, то и вы тоже!


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    Quote Originally Posted by nicklcool View Post
    QUOTE=TolkoRaz;1418866]...Guns are effectively (or at least comparatively) illegal in those other countries, so if the gun death rates were higher in those countries, it would be nothing short of a miracle!...
    ..that's the whole point. If guns are illegal, numbers of deaths by firearms (and homicide rate in general) is drastically reduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TolkoRaz View Post
    Is there therefore not a justifiable reason, based upon the stats, to remove firearms from the majority of civilians (with the exception of farmers etc)?
    Have you spoken to American gun owners? They would eat you alive if you were to so much as mention it! The below has been all over my FB newsfeed for years
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