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    A Woman's Right to an Abortion

    Okay, so, the feminist mantra is that a woman has a right to an abortion, because it's her body and she and she alone is in control of her own body. No one else, even the seed-planting boyfriend, has any say in the matter.

    So, since parenthood is a two-sided issue (mother + father), then what say does the man have in the decisions about children, or family? Isn't parenting a partnership, major decisions made with agreements?

    The only fair thing, would be, to me, if the woman chooses to have the baby, but the boyfriend does not want to be a father, then he should not be forced to pay support for the child and mother for 18 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantastika View Post
    ....The only fair thing, would be, to me, if the woman chooses to have the baby, but the boyfriend does not want to be a father, then he should not be forced to pay support for the child and mother for 18 years.
    ..but did he wear a condom? If he doesn't want to be a father, then that's the only way he can ensure he doesn't have unwanted children and financial commitments. If he didn't wear a condom and she then gets pregnant, he cannot force her to have an abortion (her body rule) and he has to meet a share of the cost of raising the child.
    Or was he just hoping she wouldn't get pregnant or if she did she would agree to an abortion?
    Either way he's liable to a share of the costs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobbynumbnuts View Post
    ..but did he wear a condom? If he doesn't want to be a father, then that's the only way he can ensure he doesn't have unwanted children and financial commitments. If he didn't wear a condom and she then gets pregnant, he cannot force her to have an abortion (her body rule) and he has to meet a share of the cost of raising the child.
    Or was he just hoping she wouldn't get pregnant or if she did she would agree to an abortion?
    Either way he's liable to a share of the costs...
    Did she have a diaphragm? Did she take the pill? Did she have a sponge?

    The woman's lack of pre-planning can not be justified by the man's lack of foresight...

    But lack of forethought, foresight or foreplay is not the issue here:

    If the woman wants 100% control over the decision of whether or not to give birth to a child, then she should be prepared to take full responsibility for raising the child.

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    maybe because i am an old man

    first i believe about these theme we can talk until hell freezes over. and come to no conclusion or solution.
    secondly, in this day and age, if a woman wants to be in control and is only after sex, there are plenty things on the market to make sure she does not become pregnant.
    third, if a man is silly enough to fornicate around and not using a condom, he really has his brain in his di**. and we know a man can only think with one head... and every woman knows that as well.
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    ....... just waiting for the Rus onslaught , on second thoughts this might be better

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    Quote Originally Posted by vossy7 View Post
    ....... just waiting for the Rus onslaught , on second thoughts this might be better


    but has his own opinion and i have no problem with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vossy7 View Post
    ....... just waiting for the Rus onslaught , on second thoughts this might be better
    I'm not talking about the morality of abortion itself, although I am opposed to abortion.

    Let's say there are four cases after the woman becomes with child:

    1. The woman and the man both want the child - the happy couple lives happily ever after with child (spoiled brat if you live in Baltimore).

    2. The woman and the man both do not want the child - the happy couple lives happily ever after.

    3. The woman wants the child, the man does not.

    4. The woman does not want the child, the man does.

    In cases 3 and 4, according to the prevalent feminist law, the woman decides what to do, the man has no rights, even though he is the father.

    What happened to the father's rights?

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    according to the feminist movement

    men have only rights when it suits THEM. for the rest of the time we are mostly beer swilling, chips chewing useless appendages that are sometimes needed to donate sperm...

    but they still want that we open the door for them, move the chair in the restaurant. and god help us if/when we forget their birthday...
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    The deliberate ending of life already begun; of having to take special action to prevent the appearance of a breathing, crying baby that inconveniences us, of having to take forceps and scissors to crush an existing skull and snip off arms and legs and induce the mother to expel the corpse in pieces (heck, such death porn is legal on TV) is murder. All other words, even "abort" are efforts to cover that simple and obvious fact up. (We are so fond of Ghandi, until he says abortion should be a crime.)

    Really, Fantastika, your question is rather irrelevant in the face of that. If the thing is murder, what does it matter whether the man has a say in it? Either one advocating it is premeditating murder.

    All the rest of the talk about contraception is efforts to separate the sex act from its natural function, to make a process obviously intended for (having the potential of) reproduction purely a source of pleasure. It is stealing that pleasure from the natural process, and violently crushing the natural consequence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantastika View Post
    Okay, so, the feminist mantra is that a woman has a right to an abortion, because it's her body and she and she alone is in control of her own body. No one else, even the seed-planting boyfriend, has any say in the matter.

    So, since parenthood is a two-sided issue (mother + father), then what say does the man have in the decisions about children, or family? Isn't parenting a partnership, major decisions made with agreements?

    The only fair thing, would be, to me, if the woman chooses to have the baby, but the boyfriend does not want to be a father, then he should not be forced to pay support for the child and mother for 18 years.
    All ills of this world are from women having rights and talking too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantastika View Post
    The only fair thing, would be, to me, if the woman chooses to have the baby, but the boyfriend does not want to be a father, then he should not be forced to pay support for the child and mother for 18 years.
    Wow, you're a man's dream woman arentcha!

    It is because of people (normally men!) that think like you many (women) opt for abortion for fear of being unable to cope on their own. Hardly surprising!
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    What really amazes me is that it is usually men who are the most opinionated on the subject when in actual fact that haven't got a bloody clue about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantastika View Post
    The only fair thing, would be, to me, if the woman chooses to have the baby, but the boyfriend does not want to be a father, then he should not be forced to pay support for the child and mother for 18 years.
    Yes, if we actually want to have equality, this is the only fair solution.
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    The only fair solution is for both parents to be to take fecking responsibility. After all, unless one was raped, they both made the pregnancy happen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by natlee View Post
    The only fair solution is for both parents to be to take fecking responsibility. After all, unless one was raped, they both made the pregnancy happen!
    So, if the father wants the baby and is willing to be responsible, the mother should have to carry it to term and let him be responsible?
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