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    WARNING ! New law for multiple entry business Visa's

    look at this link from the Moscow Times ated 22 October 2007
    New, Tougher Rules for Business Visas



    New, Tougher Rules for Business Visas
    By Alexander Osipovich
    Staff Writer
    The government is tightening the screws on foreigners who want to work here full time without a work visa -- and itinerant English teachers look likely to be the first to feel the squeeze.

    Multiple-entry business visas, which used to let foreigners stay in Russia for up to one year, will now only allow stays of up to 90 days at a time, according to a decree signed by Prime Minister Viktor Zubkov on Oct. 4.

    Under the new rules, such visas will still last one year. But they will only let people stay in Russia for up to 180 days of that year, and for no longer than 90 days at a time. Moreover, if a foreigner stays in Russia for 90 days straight, he or she is then required to leave and not come back until another 90 days have passed.

    Zubkov's decree also says foreigners might have to obtain the visas in their native countries -- which implies that U.S. and British expatriates could no longer hop on the train to Kiev for a visa run. But representatives of visa agencies and foreign business lobbies were unsure how that rule would be implemented, and some said it might not apply to Westerners.

    What is clear, however, is that expats can no longer stay in Russia endlessly by obtaining multiple-entry business visas and renewing them each year, said Alexei Filippenkov, director of the Visa Delight agency.


    "Now, any foreigner who wants to come live here has to either go through the immigration process, and eventually obtain a residence permit, or else find an employer who will prepare a work visa for them," Filippenkov said.

    Foreigners with work visas are not affected by the change.

    It is unclear whether the new rules will affect foreigners with multiple-entry business visas issued before Zubkov's decree. But Filippenkov said it was unlikely.

    Spokespeople for the Foreign Ministry and the Federal Migration Service declined to comment by telephone Friday, saying that all questions had to be submitted in writing. E-mails sent to the agencies were not answered as of Sunday.

    The new rules could complicate life for expat English teachers, many of whom have multiple-entry business visas.

    "If people have to come for 90 days and then leave, this will be very disruptive for the teaching process," said Helen Panovich, academic director of ITC, a company that hires English-language native speakers to give lessons to Russian businessmen.

    Amy Cartwright, a spokeswoman for the Association of European Businesses, said most of AEB's member companies would not be affected because their foreign employees had work visas.

    But she singled out expat English teachers as a potential trouble spot. "It's very worrying because it means that if you're a teacher, for example, and if you're on a business visa, you can't stay here," Cartwright said.

    AEB has met with representatives of the Federal Migration Service to find out how the rules will be implemented, and one of the open questions is whether expats will have to return to their home country to obtain a business visa, she said.

    "We don't have an answer yet, but we have asked them," Cartwright said.

    Representatives of visa agencies had different takes on the provision in Zubkov's decree about returning to one's home country for a visa.

    Timur Beslangurov, managing director of Vista Foreign Business Support, said foreigners would be able to obtain visas in the Russian embassy of any country as long as they could present a residence permit for that country, or at least some document proving that they had the right to live there for 90 days.

    Filippenkov, of Visa Delight, said the provision about returning to one's home country did not apply to Westerners and was instead directed at countries like China, Turkey and India.

    Russian embassies are notoriously inconsistent in their approach to issuing visas. In the past, it has often taken several months to see how rule changes are implemented.

    Zubkov's decree puts Russia on the same footing as many Western countries, which also draw a distinction between visas designed for short visits and visas that grant one the right to work.

    U.S. citizens who visit Britain, for example, are allowed to stay for up to six months, but they get a stamp in their passport stating they are prohibited from working there.

    "The government is making things work the same way as they do in America and Europe," Filippenkov said. Russian citizens face the exact same 90- and 180-day restrictions in Germany, he added.

    Still, such comparisons have not reassured expats accustomed to the ease of obtaining multiple-entry business visas and daunted by the obstacles of getting Russian work permits.

    Call your Embassies and confirm this as I did ..... THE US Embassy did confirm this to me :-( if I can help anyone , ask me

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    please post this quickly this new Law affects everyone who has a multiple entry business visa whom do NOT have work permits , or Permenant residency status ! :-(

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    This Moscow Times appears to be more confused of the issues than the previous popular thead on this forum.

    Firstly. especially teachers having a problem. Nothing has changed for years. The teacher has an invitation from a school who can poperly invite. There are very few of them in Moscow. They don't need a work permit and they dont't now, and not in the near future. The visa style may change, if it's the business visa they will be exempt from the 90 days in and the 90 days out. Or there will be a new work visa, but they won't need a permit.

    However it will be more difficult for those teachers who thought they were kegally employed. from those schools supplied visas from an agency with an unknown name and address Those bogus invitatations were always illegal. And they are now.

    I will never believe this newspaper again. They don't know the difference of when to use American English or British English. I can just see it, quotes and writings from British articles, news and quotes. It can look very funny and amusing when the editor decides to change it into American English. OHH! especially football. European soccer league. World Cup soccer Arsenak soccer club

    Or how about the world championship un-armoured football in South Africa.

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    travelling this weekend

    I'm leaving moscow this weekend for a week's holiday( bad timing or what). I have a business visa that expires next March. Do you think I'll have problems when I return next week? Since my visa was issued last March I have been here longer than 180 day! What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by worzle View Post
    I'm leaving moscow this weekend for a week's holiday( bad timing or what). I have a business visa that expires next March. Do you think I'll have problems when I return next week? Since my visa was issued last March I have been here longer than 180 day! What do you think?
    I spoke to my agent in the UK yeterday. He told me that if you don't have the 90 day thing on your visa you should not have a problem!

    However, it's just a shame he also doesn't work here at passport control !!!

    Let us know how you got on!!

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    Worzle, hopefully you won't have a problem. Please let us know your experience upon your return. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by worzle View Post
    I'm leaving moscow this weekend for a week's holiday( bad timing or what). I have a business visa that expires next March. Do you think I'll have problems when I return next week? Since my visa was issued last March I have been here longer than 180 day! What do you think?
    I'm hoping I'm right and you won't be affected until such time as your visa expire, and you apply for the next time.

    Let us allk know how you get on as I will be keeping my fingers crossed for you. Again, taking stories from here it will still depend on your nationality and where you get your visa. I still recommend you get it from your home country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish01 View Post
    I spoke to my agent in the UK yeterday. He told me that if you don't have the 90 day thing on your visa you should not have a problem!

    However, it's just a shame he also doesn't work here at passport control !!!

    Let us know how you got on!!
    Has any Brit got a visa with the 90 day from London?

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    Quote Originally Posted by worzle View Post
    I'm leaving moscow this weekend for a week's holiday( bad timing or what). I have a business visa that expires next March. Do you think I'll have problems when I return next week? Since my visa was issued last March I have been here longer than 180 day! What do you think?
    Noticing your Nationality, Irish. And assuming you are going to Ireland you should be OK. I hope so, but nothing surprises me anymore if I was to believe everything from the Moscow Times.

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    Why wouldn't I just use repetitive 90-day visas instead, then?

    I used to do that many years ago and it was an excellent excuse to get out of here regularly anyway!
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    This is incredibly confusing. So this is one step beyond the Shengen-Russia rule that came into force in the summer, applying to people of all countries?

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    confusing

    there are actually many confusing parts of this new law. For example the MT article says "if you stay for 90 days then you must go for 90". What happens for example if you only stay 70 days? you then have to go for 70? or you can come back for another 20? I'm trying to see if there is a way to piece together 180s until June by leaving 1-2 times in between. Thanks to all will give some help to this mess.

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    There is no no news of any new visas, changes of law that will affect those who didn't sign the contract, such as Great Britain. And no news of changes for Americans at my local Russian Embassy in London. The visas are still the same, and the latest news hasn't changed. There is a seporate application form for American applying for a visa. I find that many Americans do apply in London

    For the moment I can't accept anything different for Americans or Brits, and that we have nothing to do with this 90 day in and out business. Although mistakes have been made in Russian embassies in Europe, But not in London.

    But who knows what the near future may bring.

    Консульский отдел Посольства России в Лондоне

    Normally, If the Russians have any new news about visas, they would normally show it on this web-site. Or the embassy website in your own country. It's obvious isn't it, people are applying here everyday. It's very important that these applicants are well informed in English of course.

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    I can second that,

    The visa agency I use in the UK asked at the consulate in London yesterday how and when they would be implementing the new rules - to which they replied - what new rules? we no nothing about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcgavock View Post
    I can second that,

    The visa agency I use in the UK asked at the consulate in London yesterday how and when they would be implementing the new rules - to which they replied - what new rules? we no nothing about this.
    Hooray! At last. The Moscow Times. HA HA HA! Where did they get their info. From the copy-cat Expat forum. Certainl not from the Times or the BBC. Because there's nothing there either.

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