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    "Free-lance work" under Business visa?

    Hey, I'm new here, and I bet this has been answered over and over again (sorry), but it's about the work visa versus the business visa.

    1. I know the business visa is not how it sounds, and you can't formally work in Russia with one. However, are part-time work and tutoring out of the question? I'm staying for 3 months exactly.

    2. In anybody's experience, are 3-month contracts offered often (to get a work visa)? By companies? School?

    I've applied to a number of companies, and so I'm just waiting (while time is running out on my visa in China). I feel like I have to make a move and get a business visa. Any thoughts? Ideas?

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    All work is out of the question, however, chances of anyone catching you are slim. Plenty of expats seem to live on the business visa and work too. Don't think you'd get any "official" work with it... maybe just tutoring and teaching English on your own (altho I've heard of English schools that make you get a business visa and then you pay the visa runs on your own dime).

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    Thanks, BabyFirefly. That's exactly the direct advice I was looking for.

    That puts a few of the replies I've received in context. A couple of emails have said things like "We're impressed by application, but we're currently not accepting native speakers who aren't based in Russia. If that isn't a problem, then that is a different situation."

    Bleh. Back to the job sites.

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    If you do planning on doing the visa runs thing, be prepared to spend about $700 every three months on it... my visa was like 450, then hotels, flights... heck I'd say it's more, but I bought it all last minute so maybe you'd find something cheaper with better planning.

    As I've heard (I've been here on student visas so maybe I'm wrong), chances of a company getting you a work visa for any non-specialized/some sort of high ranking job are slim to none. If you really REALLY just want to live in Russia, get a student visa with a uni (usual minimum of hours of study needed for a student visa is 10-12, so budget accordingly), and do whatever work you want on the side. Visa runs aren't cheap and it's a bit stressful knowing the visa rules might change and you might get denied at the border.

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    The standard process of issuing a work visa invitation takes around a month, and you'll need to get the original invitation document posted to you in China. You're probably then subject to 2-week processing at the Consulate, so in total it will take at least two months.

    There is a simplified work visa program which is available if your salary is more than 2 million rubles (~ $60000). But... English teachers often complain about the salary, so I think it will be difficult to find an English teaching with that kind of wage.

    If you're going to work without a work permit, why don't you advertise on some tutoring sites?
    http://repetitors.info/
    http://www.repetit.ru/

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    Yikes! 700? Actually when you really think about it, you budgeted that quite well.

    This sounds naive, but my initial plan was to go on a business visa and do part-time work (in English or Chinese teaching) for 3 months and then head off. However, I've heard mixed things about that.

    Hey, that's not a bad idea with the student visa. I'll consider it.

    I guess it's just kind of an unspoken thing here that people are often working on Business visas? I've worked in China for a few years, and that's kind of what has been going here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyFirefly View Post
    As I've heard (I've been here on student visas so maybe I'm wrong), chances of a company getting you a work visa for any non-specialized/some sort of high ranking job are slim to none. If you really REALLY just want to live in Russia, get a student visa with a uni (usual minimum of hours of study needed for a student visa is 10-12, so budget accordingly), and do whatever work you want on the side. Visa runs aren't cheap and it's a bit stressful knowing the visa rules might change and you might get denied at the border.
    Depends what you define as 'specialized' or 'high ranking'. I have a work permit and visa (just going through the renewal process at the moment). I'm not especially high-ranking, and I wouldn't argue much of what I do is so specialised that another native English speaker couldn't do it (I'm a text editor for an IT company). It's more about finding a niche, I'd suggest.

    But if you're planning a 3-month stay and you already have that biz visa lined up, I'd advise getting involved in private tutoring (I assume you're planning on teaching) and hoping nobody asks awkward questions about tax etc. Even then, the worst case scenario would be deportation and a fine - it's not like you'd end up pulling plutonium out of the Siberian permafrost with your teeth or anything. Unless the rules change suddenly.

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    If you plan on just staying three months or less, go ahead with a business visa, it's cheaper than a student visa in that situation, since with a student visa, you pay for the visa AND the courses... not cheap. If you plan on staying long term, it evens out, with all the visa runs you'd have to do on a business visa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andymackem View Post
    - it's not like you'd end up pulling plutonium out of the Siberian permafrost with your teeth or anything. Unless the rules change suddenly.
    Haha, that got me. I've got all the proper English speaking credentials and experience, but maybe I need to pursue a niche in a different area (like Chinese language or something).

    DavidB, thanks for the invaluable website links too. I'll first check into a hostel and bribe someone with Chinese gifts to help me write some profiles in Russian. Great!

    Alright, cool, I'm bound for Russia. Of course, this is assuming I ONLY want to spend 3 months there after the time is up (If not, I'll be back in here asking how to do a visa run :P)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyFirefly View Post
    If you do planning on doing the visa runs thing, be prepared to spend about $700 every three months on it... my visa was like 450, then hotels, flights... heck I'd say it's more, but I bought it all last minute so maybe you'd find something cheaper with better planning.
    By planning ahead, you can save $125 as the processing is cheaper with the pre-submission service in Riga. Not much of a saving in the scheme of things.

    The other costs are much the same. It costs me about $450 in unavoidable expenses, but I travel from St.Petersburg. Then I usually spend another $450 on restaurants, party life, etc... oops.

    Taking into account the cost of flights from Moscow, I don't think you could do it much cheaper than $600

    It's possible to save money by travelling by bus from Moscow, but you would have to be into sado-masochism to enjoy spending that much time on Russian roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Setzer Aces View Post
    DavidB, thanks for the invaluable website links too. I'll first check into a hostel and bribe someone with Chinese gifts to help me write some profiles in Russian. Great!
    I would suggest that you advertise before you arrive. Maybe someone here can help you. Maybe you can give them Chinese lessons or something like that in return.

    Also consider cities other than Moscow, as you'll probably find it quite expensive if you consider the cost of a visa run to be an issue...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidB View Post
    Also consider cities other than Moscow, as you'll probably find it quite expensive if you consider the cost of a visa run to be an issue...
    Yeah, that too... rent here is very very expensive... in fact most things are

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    Yeah... after quick search online, I see exactly what you mean.

    I know this is definitely a topic for another thread, but do you have any suggestions of a better (and especially CHEAPER) place. Any particular favorites spring to mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Setzer Aces View Post
    Yeah... after quick search online, I see exactly what you mean.

    I know this is definitely a topic for another thread, but do you have any suggestions of a better (and especially CHEAPER) place. Any particular favorites spring to mind?
    Consider federal regional centers - SPb (SZFO), Nizhny Novgorod (PFO), Rostov-na-Donu (YuFO), Ekarerinburg (UFO), Novosibirsk (SFO), Habarovsk (DFO), "millionniki" (cities with 1M+ population) and just big cities - Samara, Saratov, Kirov, Perm' (PFO big cities), Krasnodar, Stavropol', Novorossiysk (YuFO big cities), Chelyabinsk (UFO millionnik) , Omsk, Tomsk, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk (SFO big cities and millionniki), Vladivostok (DFO millionnik).

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    Most things are more expensive in Moscow (food, taxi, rent, etc.). Costs in other cities are generally all around the same level except for real estate which is mainly determined by the size of the city.

    From Beijing, you can fly directly to the following cities:
    Ekaterinburg
    Irkutsk
    Khabarovsk
    Krasnoyarsk
    Moscow
    Novosibirsk
    Omsk
    Saint Petersburg
    Vladivostok
    Yakutsk

    If you decide that you would like to stay, universities usually take 4-6 weeks to make an invitation, so you'll have to factor that into your plans.

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