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    Work Permit Rejection

    Hi all,
    I am supposed to move to Moscow with a UK company/Bank to their office in Moscow. They have applied for my work permit at the end of April. I supplied a photo copy of my passport, passport photo scan, and apostle scan of my Uni diploma.

    Two weeks ago 7/June/2010, I was informed that my work permit has been rejected, when I asked why and reason they didn't say anything as its just rejected and no farther reason. This seems very strange as I spoke with some Russian friends and Expats and they told me they never heard such a thing before.

    Does anyone been in this kind of situation, know anyone who can help shed light of this, any appeal procedures?

    Any information will be highly appreciated.

    Thanks

    Eli

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    The reason could be that your potential employer exhauasted their quota for foreign employees. In such case they need to apply for addiditonal quota and this is a looong process.
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    I'm not the specialist, but Russian Federation has quotas of foreign employees for every other country. Maybe UK quota was exhausted...

    Or you made not a full heap of required docs (bureaucracy is strong)...

    Or you had contacts with non-desired persons before...

    Or your employer has current issues with Russian authorities...

    Or...

    Etc.

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    Thanks for the swift replies, from what I understand my employers quota is fine, I did not had any contact with non desired persons before. I guess that the situation could be of the bank relationship with the authorities, but its all speculation.

    I am not getting any info from Moscow HR about this.

    do you know of anyone who had this kind of problem?
    Do you think with the new rules from July 1st (the ease of work permit for highly skilled people) will make a big change?
    As well can one appeal on these rejection, or just re-apply again?
    Should i try to do a TRP myself ?

    Thanks for your help

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    Well, I have never heard that someone was rejected in case the company have not overlimited their quota.

    That is more, you work in a bank, not in a foundation or smth like that.

    I have never heard any troubles between banks and authorities

    and you had no criminal records (may be aids veneral tests have not bee "good"?) and so on, it would be quite strange.

    Actually the authorities now explain in the majority of cases, what was done wrong or your HR must know where they can send a claim (a higher level of authorities).

    For high rating specialists there must be a very high level of salary (I do not remember but smth like or about 80 000 USD per year).

    what is one of the way out is to get a year business visa and to live here (and to work) according to it.

    It works if your company is international, but in this case you will not able to be paid by local accountant department but by your head office's.
    not only s.t happens!

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    Thx tvadim133, i fully understand how strange it is! I have a passport that has a visa free entrance to Russia so i don't even need a visa to go in as i have two passports.

    If i have this passport with a visa free do i still need a work visa??

    Do you or anyone know an agency that can clarify this matter, regarding to the whole situation.

    Thx

    EV

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    eliv I am afraid you do need a work permit, even though you do not need a visa.The problem could be- for whatever reason- that the company hasn't recieved the necessary permission to employ you. Probably the best solution is for your company's London office to continue employing you, and paying you, in Britain. Then you would be on a business trip in Russia. If necessary, with a business visa, but this may not be necessary if your passport allows you to stay in Russia.

    You say yoou have two passports- is one of the Russian? If so you should have no problem working here.

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    Hi Ian G, Thx for they reply, i have a British and an Israeli (visa free) passports.
    If i had a Russian i don't think there will be any issue ; )

    So you suggesting that i should be employed by London and do working business trips to Russia, or stay in Moscow be employed in London and get in and out every 90 days according to the visa limitations?

    I read a lot about the new highly skilled ease, do you think that can change the complexity and make things easer?

    Last question, what do you mean that company hasn't recieved the necessary permission to employ me? I should be a proper straight forward process as i am sent by the company to work in their Moscow office , internally it is fine, the problem is external i guess unless the Russian office has different agenda.

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    For high rating specialists there must be a very high level of salary (I do not remember but smth like or about 80 000 USD per year).
    It is 2 million roubles.

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    I read a lot about the new highly skilled ease, do you think that can change the complexity and make things easer?
    YES, it SHOULD be easier, but it only comes into force on 1st of July, and then we will still have to see how it turns out in reality.
    Main issues is that your salary is over 2 M roubles and that the employer is a Russian company or a branch office. (representative office or marketing office is not good)

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    Thx SV1973a, yes I do qualify for that specialist in salary terms as it like $64k a year or 45k, and the employer is a full Russian entity.
    I guess you are right we will just need to wait and see how the theory turns in to reality.

    But does anyone know once an application is rejected (on a non criminal or character basis) , can one appeal or just resubmit? as i have a feeling that someone messed up the application. So is it possible to reapply?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eliv View Post
    Thx tvadim133, i fully understand how strange it is! I have a passport that has a visa free entrance to Russia so i don't even need a visa to go in as i have two passports.

    If i have this passport with a visa free do i still need a work visa??

    Do you or anyone know an agency that can clarify this matter, regarding to the whole situation.

    Thx

    EV
    Well, that really depends on the passport you have. You probably got bad advice initially, or the paperwork that was submitted with your application wasn't up to scratch (through no fault of yours) which is the most likely reason for an application being rejected.
    It is also not clear from your post whether your application was declined or simply rejected without any documents being actually submitted.

    Anyway, feel free to PM me if you need help with that. I'm not in the business of work permit processing, but know people who are.
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    Hi Cooldude, sent you a PM, I hear you that's what i am thinking that the application was not filled properly, and someone messed it up. Now i am trying to become an expert on this issue and re-applying or appealing.

    is it straight forward, or if rejected you are doomed?

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    We had this situation at the beginning of last year, and I heard that quite a few people had this problem. Partly the issue was that the FMS reduced its quotas, and indeed there were rumours that a ridiculously small number of places were allocated to UK citizens. However, I'm pretty sure that there is no official national allocation, as this is probably illegal, but this would not stop the FMS operating some ridiculous informal quota.

    It turned out that the reason for our rejection was a screw-up by the agents handling the application - they had not put the required advertisement in the Moscow Labour Department, to prove that they had tried to fill the job with a Russian. Of course, we only found out about this a long time later - one of the reasons for handling these things internally is that you can see where things go wrong, and agents often lie to you. We resolved it eventually, and I'm pretty certain that your situation can be resolved.

    This of course, assumes that your employer wants to resolve it - I know of one case where a foreigner lost his job, because his employer was unable to renew his work permit. However, the employer was a huge Russian oligarch group (think Greek letters), and there is no way that they could not resolve this situation, if they so wished. So it was clear that they were just using the situation as a way of getting rid of him, and possibly using it as force majeure to get out of paying a contract.

    If it seems that your employer really wants to bring you on board, there are plenty of agents around who can deal with this. We are using Smithbridge at the moment, but I can put you in touch with a number of others, if you want. Also, they might want to contact the American Chamber of Commerce or European Business Club, as both these organisations can help a lot in this regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eliv View Post
    Hi Cooldude, sent you a PM, I hear you that's what i am thinking that the application was not filled properly, and someone messed it up. Now i am trying to become an expert on this issue and re-applying or appealing.

    is it straight forward, or if rejected you are doomed?
    Don't assume that there is any rational explanation, we had two similar cases last year, where the authorities had just made mistakes/couldn't be bothered, by going to them pre-appeal and asking very politely, (with a great deal of flattery), "How we could avoid wasting their time next time, could they please help us stupid foreigners, by explaining what was wrong with the applications they had rejected", and our HR was able to get the WP's, there was a ritual 'telling off' for a non existent error, and our HR was everso grateful for the support and kindness of the authorities - no money / gifts nothing - always worth a try, being nice to the authorities and giving them an opportunity not to have to admit to an error works often and on many levels. Just a thought, BTW these discussions should be done by your Russian staff, not you - you have to be completely fluent and culturally immersed to get away with this kind of manipulation.



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