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Nata
23-06-2004, 19:38
Can you help me? I need clear some points.

How do you think what russian city or town (except Moscow and St.Petersburg) is more popular between expats?
I am waiting for your answers.

Thank you.

peyote
23-06-2004, 19:55
zelenograd. thank you.

IRS_Runner
23-06-2004, 19:56
How about Novibirsk? never heard any bad things about it.

chrisj_m
23-06-2004, 19:59
Samara's rather beautiful :)

polly
23-06-2004, 20:23
i've heard of students/expats in nizhny novgorod. but i haven't any idea how many.

Gary2004
23-06-2004, 20:29
Difficult to say about Russia. As to CIS Kiev must be the next to
St.P.

MNJON
23-06-2004, 20:29
S O C H I

It's THE resort town of Russia.. so, maybe it's because of it's beauty? Yes, even Putin and all Leaders from about 1890's have had their summer Palace here.....

I love it... it's awesome on the Black Sea.

Oh yeah.. Russians also love it as the town goes from 400,000 during the "off" times to over 1,000,000 during the summer/vacation months! So.. it is fairly popular.

Guest777
24-06-2004, 01:35
Vladivostok! crawling with expats:)

koba65
24-06-2004, 02:14
Originally posted by Guest777
Vladivostok! crawling with expats:)

Having just returned from Vladivostok, I'd have to say it's not really even a "Russian" city anymore - more like Chinese/Korean. And, if it's "crawling" with (western) expats, I sure the hell didnt' see too many (doesn't mean they're not there - just didn't see them). The women are beautiful there...

If more expats traveled to Odessa, Khoklandiya during the summer it would quickly race up the "charts"...

Zephyr
24-06-2004, 02:37
Originally posted by koba65


If more expats traveled to Odessa, Khoklandiya during the summer it would quickly race up the "charts"...

Khoklandiya is a common usage in Russia for the Ukraine but the term is not very well liked there, offence is a common reaction.
I've always liked Alma-ata with the Tian-Shan mountains nearby a very beautiful place, also Ust-Kaminogorsk is breathtakingly beautiful especially the mountains around there.Lots of Cossacks there:-)

polly
24-06-2004, 02:41
Originally posted by MNJON
S O C H I

It's THE resort town of Russia.. so, maybe it's because of it's beauty? Yes, even Putin and all Leaders from about 1890's have had their summer Palace here.....

I love it... it's awesome on the Black Sea.

Oh yeah.. Russians also love it as the town goes from 400,000 during the "off" times to over 1,000,000 during the summer/vacation months! So.. it is fairly popular.


we all know about Sochi, but didn't you recently say that you haven't found any other expats there?
I thought that was the question from the original poster, as in which other city in Russia has the highest population of expats.

Insane Squeezer
24-06-2004, 05:35
Originally posted by MNJON
S O C H I

It's THE resort town of Russia.. so, maybe it's because of it's beauty? .

No, this is because Sochi is THE resort town of Russia -- nearly the only one remaining after the collaps of the USSR.

auricle
24-06-2004, 10:27
I thought Yalta was the resort town of Russia?

agent_alice
24-06-2004, 10:44
Originally posted by peyote
zelenograd. thank you.

do you live in zelenograd?

MNJON
24-06-2004, 10:46
Originally posted by auricle
I thought Yalta was the resort town of Russia?

Last time I looked, Yalta wasn't in Russia! <smile>

P.I.M.P.
24-06-2004, 11:10
Abrau Durso... Not far from Sochi and Novorossisk. I have a house down there (in Ozereika) and the place is gorgeous. It's a shame that I don't close shop in Moscow and move down there one day :)

MNJON
24-06-2004, 11:25
Originally posted by P.I.M.P.
Abrau Durso... Not far from Sochi and Novorossisk. I have a house done there (in Ozereika) and the place is gorgeous. It's a shame that I don't close shop in Moscow and move down there one day :)

Thats closer to Anapa than to Sochi, by far! It's gotta be beautiful over that way also I imagine! I might try and get overthere sometime to check out that area as well. Sochi is nice but it is crawling with vacationers right now.

trebor
24-06-2004, 12:02
I have lived and worked in Vladivostok for the past 18 months.
Its certainly not crawling with expats but they could be thicker on the ground than other provincial Russian cities. There are a few consulates here and a ball park figure for the number of permenant expats in the city would be a dozen or so.
Being a port city it is certainly cosmopolitain with a reasonable night life. There are good beaches nearby and some nice islands offshore.
Infrastructure sucks big time with water shortages both hot and cold, although both have recently been restored but then that might be something to do with elections soon!
Russians, don't you just love 'em!

Zephyr
24-06-2004, 14:09
Yes I do !!!

Insane Squeezer
25-06-2004, 05:08
Originally posted by auricle
I thought Yalta was the resort town of Russia?

No. Ukrainian since 1991.

Zephyr
25-06-2004, 11:11
Originally posted by Insane Squeezer
No. Ukrainian since 1991.
1991 was the collapse of CCR, Ukraine was and is Ukraine before and after.

nevermore
25-06-2004, 18:43
Check Nizhnevartovsk ;) cool or ... cold;) very special place:D and very popular;)

Nata
28-06-2004, 11:09
Thank you very much. It was very helpful and interesting.
May be somebody know interesting places in Russian towns.
What particular places do you like?

cyclby
28-06-2004, 11:15
Magadan......The jewell of the Far East

trebor
28-06-2004, 14:25
Originally posted by cyclby
Magadan......The jewell of the Far East


MAGADAN???
cyclby, what are you on?

cyclby
28-06-2004, 14:54
Originally posted by trebor
MAGADAN???
cyclby, what are you on?

SHHHHH! Only you and I know the joke.....;)

Zephyr
29-06-2004, 02:58
.:-)

Innosranets
29-06-2004, 09:37
Originally posted by cyclby
Magadan......The jewell of the Far East


I think you meant 'armpit'.

tamibliss
29-06-2004, 11:28
Try Saratov and Astrahan, beautiful and truly Russian cities.

tamibliss
29-06-2004, 11:30
Velikiy Novgorod can be an option too. check this out - http://www.novgorod.ru/rus/photo/view.php?id=23

Surok
29-06-2004, 11:54
yeah, I think Astrakhan is nice too - falling apart, and the mosquitoes in summer aren't great - but nice atmosphere, good people

and go out of the city to the river delta :)

tamibliss
29-06-2004, 12:00
Originally posted by Surok
yeah, I think Astrakhan is nice too - falling apart, and the mosquitoes in summer aren't great - but nice atmosphere, good people

and go out of the city to the river delta :)

- I think Astrahan is quite exotic. you' ve seen the Kremlin? I think there IS something to look at - http://www.guzhelya.com/photo_unique.php?c=140&id=394

Insane Squeezer
07-07-2004, 17:45
My favourites are Volgograd (Stalingrad) and Oryol.

Filimon
07-07-2004, 18:02
Originally posted by P.I.M.P.
Abrau Durso... Not far from Sochi and Novorossisk. I have a house down there (in Ozereika) and the place is gorgeous. It's a shame that I don't close shop in Moscow and move down there one day :)

Abrau and Durso are two different things. Abrau is a village by the Abrau Lake, Durso is a village by the sea further down the road. Abrau-Durso is a name of the famous Russian 'champagne', but that's about it. The reason why they put "Abrau-Durso" on road signs we will never know.

It's 16 km from Novorossiysk and seriously resembles southern France, especially the vineyards around the lake. Beauuuutiful place.

Ozereyka is not my favourite, especially since they built that oil terminal there (KTK).

Viagra Girl
07-07-2004, 20:27
The best one is Moscow of cource ;)

gadfly
07-07-2004, 22:31
Pereslavl Zalessky is a cute little place.

Schelckunchick
08-07-2004, 11:45
Originally posted by girlWithACat
The best one is Moscow of cource ;)

I see you can't spell English words right, so I'll write in Russian :)

Москва, как и прежде в советские времена, как губка, которая впитывается в себя все, что не попадя. (Каждый стремится попасть в столицу сердца российского (советского)). А почему - потому что Москва высасывала из трудового народа ВСЕ (я имею в виду ближние и дальние окраины). Люди выращивали, а Москва забирала. Так что, Москва - это пиявка, которая сосет и высасывает, что ЕЙ необходимо.
Москва - болото.
Лучший город - Ленинград

Filimon
08-07-2004, 12:51
Originally posted by Schelckunchick
I see you can't spell English words right, so I'll write in Russian :)

Москва, как и прежде в советские времена, как губка, которая впитывается в себя все, что не попадя. (Каждый стремится попасть в столицу сердца российского (советского)). А почему - потому что Москва высасывала из трудового народа ВСЕ (я имею в виду ближние и дальние окраины). Люди выращивали, а Москва забирала. Так что, Москва - это пиявка, которая сосет и высасывает, что ЕЙ необходимо.
Москва - болото.
Лучший город - Ленинград

I suspect it's nothing to do with girlWithacat's ability to spell, more with you, dear Sir, inability to translate that typically "Piterskiy" self-obsessed goobledeegook. Well, if you want to compete in making up sweeping generalisations, then here you go:

"Piter is a city of thieves. Everything and anything is stolen and stored deep in the wells of the backyards, somewhere in the stomachs of the dilapidated slums that are the core of the city. A truly rotten corner, built by one on the bones of many, it is so centered on its own significance that people living there are prepared to lead the most miserable lives but be proud of serving as a threshold feet-wipe simply for the sheer fact of being able to tell that they live in the most cultured city in the world. The latter status, whilst not being entirely unwarranted, is completely shattered as soon as one steps into the filth that is ever penetrating!"

How about that? :)

Zephyr
08-07-2004, 13:36
Originally posted by Filimon
I suspect it's nothing to do with girlWithacat's ability to spell, more with you, dear Sir, inability to translate that typically "Piterskiy" self-obsessed goobledeegook. Well, if you want to compete in making up sweeping generalisations, then here you go:

"Piter is a city of thieves. Everything and anything is stolen and stored deep in the wells of the backyards, somewhere in the stomachs of the dilapidated slums that are the core of the city. A truly rotten corner, built by one on the bones of many, it is so centered on its own significance that people living there are prepared to lead the most miserable lives but be proud of serving as a threshold feet-wipe simply for the sheer fact of being able to tell that they live in the most cultured city in the world. The latter status, whilst not being entirely unwarranted, is completely shattered as soon as one steps into the filth that is ever penetrating!"

How about that? :) obviously you got the gist,but it was meant for girl with a cat I think!

Filimon
08-07-2004, 13:40
Originally posted by Zephyr
obviously you got the gist,but it was meant for girl with a cat I think!

So I can't contribute at all, is that what you are saying? And why would that be? ;)

Zephyr
08-07-2004, 13:43
Hey !!! I didn't say that !! only an observation, excuse me.

Zephyr
08-07-2004, 13:58
By the way I think your rebuttle was exactly to the point,however my point was that why would one write such if not to illustrate the exact same point ?

Filimon
08-07-2004, 14:05
Originally posted by Zephyr
By the way I think your rebuttle was exactly to the point,however my point was that why would one write such if not to illustrate the exact same point ?

In what way? I wrote about Piter, he wrote about Moscow.

Zephyr
08-07-2004, 14:05
Originally posted by Nata
Can you help me? I need clear some points.

How do you think what russian city or town (except Moscow and St.Petersburg) is more popular between expats?
I am waiting for your answers.

Thank you.
There it is, there!

Filimon
08-07-2004, 14:42
Originally posted by Zephyr
There it is, there!

I see what you mean. Well, I just felt the guy slightly lost the plot. I doubt he replied to the original post, especially since his main argument was "You can't spell". :)

Zephyr
08-07-2004, 14:47
Agreed!

Viagra Girl
08-07-2004, 15:52
At least I speak Russian fluently...

My corrections of Schelckunchick`s Russian is CAPS and after exclamation marks.




Originally posted by Schelckunchick
I see you can't spell English words right, so I'll write in Russian :)

Москва, как и прежде в советские времена, как губка, которая впитывается !!!! ВПИТЫВАЕТ!!!! в себя все, что не !!!!! НИ ПОПАДЯ!!! попадя. (Каждый стремится попасть в столицу сердца российского (советского)). А почему!!!! ЗНАК ВОПРОСА И НОВОЕ ПРЕДЛОЖЕНИЕ!!! - потому что Москва высасывала из трудового народа ВСЕ (я имею в виду ближние и дальние окраины). !!!!! ЛОГИЧЕСКАЯ ОШИБКА - МОСКВА ОКРАИНЫ НЕ ВЫСАСЫВАЕТ ИЗ ТРУДОВОГО НАРОДА!!! Люди выращивали, а Москва забирала. Так что, !!!! ЗАПЯТАЯ НЕ НУЖНА!!!! Москва - это пиявка, которая сосет и высасывает, что ЕЙ необходимо.
Москва - болото.
Лучший город - Ленинград


!!!!! В КОНЦЕ СТАВИТСЯ ТОЧКА - ПОСЛЕ СЛОВА ЛЕНИНГРАД!!!! :D

and you dont like Cats :agree:

feliks
08-07-2004, 17:09
About ЛЕНИНГРАД

Mostly sick people live there, after they are screwed up they go to Moscow and smth happens with the whole country.
the best town is a small one very specific and full of Russian history

kniga
08-07-2004, 18:51
GirlWithACat,

At least you speak Russian fluently? That would be like me saying at least I speak English fluently. We're supposed to speak our native languages fluently! :-)

Filimon
08-07-2004, 19:51
Originally posted by kniga
GirlWithACat,

At least you speak Russian fluently? That would be like me saying at least I speak English fluently. We're supposed to speak our native languages fluently! :-)

"Supposed to" does not always mean "actually do" :)

Zephyr
08-07-2004, 19:58
Originally posted by Filimon
"Supposed to" does not always mean "actually do" :)
I think "at least" is the pivotal thought there.:-))))

kniga
08-07-2004, 20:06
Filimon,

Right you are, "supposed to" is sadly far from "actually do" in too many cases.

Viagra Girl
09-07-2004, 00:14
Originally posted by kniga
GirlWithACat,

At least you speak Russian fluently? That would be like me saying at least I speak English fluently. We're supposed to speak our native languages fluently! :-)
Schelckunchick did a lot of mistakes in Russian - see quotes with my corrections.
I do not speak good English, I know that, but it doesnt prevent me to love Moscow. I walked around Eifel, admired Rome fountines, studied Gaudy in Barcelona, losted in Jerusalem night and strolled in NY but always back to Moscow...

I am sorry I didnt pay attantion that any russian city or town except Moscow and St.Petersburg. In these terms I am thinking about PLIOS (Плес). If you like Levitan its your town.

Zephyr
09-07-2004, 00:40
[ Has anyone been to the PSKOV region ?

Viagra Girl
09-07-2004, 01:58
I was in PSKOV. Fantastic! Fall esp.

Zephyr
09-07-2004, 08:33
Originally posted by girlWithACat
I was in PSKOV. Fantastic! Fall esp.
So how are the people ! I've heard it is beautiful, with simple people and very old Russian culture!

nadia_ru
11-07-2004, 20:12
Vote for Yekaterinburg!

Viagra Girl
12-07-2004, 16:22
Originally posted by Zephyr
So how are the people ! I've heard it is beautiful, with simple people and very old Russian culture!

Yeaaa, the farther from Big City the better people you can find... not us, limping souls.