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VOLDEMAR
06-05-2004, 15:48
I am a CrAzY Canadian who arrived here on a One Year Multi-Entry Visa, and can not speak Russian,

I am Trying to find a job here in Moscow, I am a Network Administrator with over 6 years expierience and several
Certifications and about a dozen diploma`s that are not worth the paper they are writen on at least here in Russia!!!

I have CompTIA A+, Network+, Security+, Certifications
as well as MCSE For Windows 2000
plus about ten Certifications that are out of date and useless
but I have had no luck trying to get a position anywhere here in Moscow.

any advice that i CAN GET WOULD BE HELPFUL?????

cheers

William_bowers@mail.ru

DaveUKagain
06-05-2004, 15:54
Forget IT. To be brutally honest.

MCSE or not (I`m an ex senior Oracle DBA) - the one thing Moscow is NOT short of is trained IT staff. There`s a glut. All of them speak Russian, which is much more useful than speaking English when the operating system and working environment is......... Russian. All of them will work for Russian wages - they have no choice there, all of them are used to a "Russian working environment" and the few Western firms who will take on people...... will take on cheaper Russians.

Sorry, but this is the way it is.......

Furthermore. Russians can take lower salaries than you possibly can, William, as they don`t have rents to pay, international phone calls to make home, flights to take home ........ I`ve been looking for a suitable IT position in Moscow for about five years, but - believe me, the days where an expat could walk into a position and get a huge salary *just for having some knowledge and speaking English* have gone.

I really am sorry if this sounds harsh, but I think you have to seriously revise your plans. The very honest reply.

Jet
06-05-2004, 16:06
You never know, Dave. I am lucky b/c I am a native-speaker and had good recommendations (also known as connections), but there are others who don't speak the language or have connections, yet these people somehow find their way into the jobs market and learn the language. He can have other skills besides IT, so in combination it might work.

DaveUKagain
06-05-2004, 16:14
Well, I hope he can use the other skills, Jet - if you were in a Russian IT department, would you take a non - Russian speaker on - with just an MCSE ? - look at the competition.......

Same situation here in the UK, of course. I don`t think he realises how hard people have to work in Russia for their money......

From rabota.ru.... only 9 results for MCSE - and, as usual, they want you to run the entire department AND govoreet po - Rooskiy yazik - (see below) :D

Exactly the same as here...... being lucky is the only way to do it.....



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VOLDEMAR
06-05-2004, 16:39
well I dont have rent to pay or a need to call home or a need to fly home until about 2005 and i have a marine engineering degree from the royal military college of Canada which doesnt do me alot of good here however I was a auto mechanic for about 5 years but i am not looking for a huge salary just an existance...

Fa-Q!
06-05-2004, 16:40
Why?

psiems
06-05-2004, 16:42
The longer you stay, the more people you will meet, the more doors open!!

psiems
06-05-2004, 16:42
The longer you stay, the more people you will meet, the more doors open!!

DaveUKagain
06-05-2004, 16:46
Now that`s true enough........ honestly, Voldemar, "IT and Russia" is not a reliable combination........ ain`t anywhere at the moment. ;-)))))))

More Russian y`know, better it`ll be - honestly, and you`ve got a LOT of time to learn.........

Jet
06-05-2004, 16:52
Dave, u see he is a mechanic as well, I imagine oil companies might need his skills, but not in Moscow, somewhere closer to the oil fields

VOLDEMAR
06-05-2004, 16:55
ok i have a question for you daveUKagain???

whats the best way to make money in Moscow ? besides robbing people ?

DJ Biscuit
06-05-2004, 16:57
Auto mechanic. Don't you think the oil companies have Russian mechanics to fix their cars for about $300 per month?

How about IT admin in an internet salon, $650-1000 per month?

VOLDEMAR
06-05-2004, 16:58
the Only reason I am in Moscow, Russia is its to cold in Toronto, Canada!!! AND well to be honest ..... I like it here

psiems
06-05-2004, 17:07
Originally posted by VOLDEMAR
ok i have a question for you daveUKagain???

whats the best way to make money in Moscow ? besides robbing people ?

Drug dealers and prostitutes seem to do ok!!

mitam77
06-05-2004, 17:33
If its only existance you are looking for there are many ways.....easier than in the IT industry.
Why not approach Rosinter restaurants for example....they love people from the US and Canada...I promise you they will offer you a job straight away...and you dont even then have food worries......Good Luck/

DaveUKagain
06-05-2004, 23:30
Voldemar, you are in a POOR country with a highly skilled workforce with traditionally low wages. All of them are worked to death - or at least very hard. There is no social security. Speaking English is not much of an advantage as many Russians speak it - and Russian, too. The concept that flawless English is the key to a huge salary is as flawed as the idea that a bottle of Coke and a pair of Levi`s buys you eternal happiness in Russia.

As for what makes money in Moscow, Voldemar, no idea, mate. I can`t even make any money in Manchester. It`s called "IT meltdown".

Sorry, mate, wish I knew the answer, but "IT" definitely isn`t it...

pengwn9
07-05-2004, 01:09
Interesting comment, Dave. "You are in a poor country with a highly skilled workforce.

True. But it would seem an oxymoron?

Maybe if (when?) they ever get the banking/finance system fixed over here, this country will be ready to blow wide open.

Sadly, that time may be somewhere far in the future.

DaveUKagain
07-05-2004, 01:29
"True. But it would seem an oxymoron?"

Peng, oh Peng......... ;-)))

The Soviet Union had one of the best education systems in the world. You could learn anything, free - and when you learnt it, aha, well........ there you were, in a 16 story fall down tower block with three beer kiosks outside and the local chemical plant next to it. "Now use your potential".

The problem went further than that because of the propiska system. You could be absolutely brilliant in, say, genetics in Chelyabinsk or a whizz kid in economics in Magadan, but the real jobs and opportunities were in Moscow. And you could NOT get there because of the living permit system. So you ended up working at the local aluminium plant.

I often think of complaining about the lack of opportunities in my home city (what I do is "head office only" - head offices are in London, and if I got the road stake together I could move) - I have the option to escape, most Russians didn`t and still don`t. Russian family ties are very, very strong (families live in the same apartment for generations, people don`t move...... ) - the opportunities here in the West don`t exist in Russia.

Also. Russia has traditionally paid its` brightest and best with survival level wages, which is why there is (or was) a skills exodus to the West recently. Not many experts wanted to try and survive on State level wages. So, as I hope you can see, Peng, "poor country" and "highly skilled" isn`t an oxymoron - you`re thinking in Western terms here, as if Russia is "fair". It`s not even approaching fair and never will be.

Russia will continue to waste its` talent for years to come. Given most of my skilled friends are abroad earning proper wages, it sounds pretty much like the UK, but the situation in Russia is much, much worse, and there are so many factors (above and beyond that of banking) which will make a" fair" system in Russia even more difficult to achieve. Sad but - unfortunately - true......

pengwn9
07-05-2004, 01:50
Of course I agree with you, Dave. But how many times have I looked around and seen what seemed to be glaring examples of wasted potential here. Sometimes it is almost heartbreaking.

These people would seem to have everything it takes to send this country soaring. A very good universal education system. Government that seems to be interested in seeing people prosper. A strong leaning toward entrepreneurship. Yet they seem not to soar.

Wish you could be at some of the Friday night get togethers, Dave. I can't tell you how incredibly promising are some of the young women I've met. I am in awe of their accomplishments and education and spunk. I hope they can rise up here and make waves. Big waves. They've definately got what it takes.

But I think, so long as the entire financial system is so totally broke-down, I don't see how how they will build to the potential that they have. The money system is a big problem. If these Russians fix that, there will be a flood of ingenuity that could rock the world.

DaveUKagain
07-05-2004, 02:09
Little Russian tale. :)

So I go to see my (sadly now ex) brother in law, Sergey, in the South of Volgograd. Sergey and Marina live in a 16 storey tower block - one I mention above. In the little microrayon where he lives, there`s 3-4 tower blocks with the balconies hanging off, cement which is 90% sand, lifts don`t work, you get the idea. Look out of the window and there in front of you is the chemical plant where he`s a fitter. There`s a kindergarten for Masha, there`s three produkti for the locals (hundred yard beer queue), there`s a vodka shop (empty, too expensive) and a little mini market.

Sergey`s a chemical plant fitter. Every winter he goes out in the cold - minus 20, there he is, working away. So he gets a few vodkas down him to keep warm and keep working. Sergey`s very bright, very clever - so`s Marina, they`re educated people.

They live next door - literally next door - to the main road into Volgograd. So I say to them, "What the hell are you doing here ? Why not look for something in the centre of town ? Yes, it`ll be hard, you have to commute in, so put up with it for Masha`s sake."

"Not us, Dave, we live here."

In case you think this is a Russian problem, I look out of the window here and on the horizon are four tower blocks full of English people with exactly the same mentality. Given the opportunity, I`ll go anywhere, do anything and take whatever steps are necessary to get on in life - opportunities have to be made, and that`s difficult, but - education is one thing, will to use it is another and people get crushed and trapped by the concept of "here I am and here I stay, just bad luck."

The Russian capacity to endure the undendurable will hold Russia back for generations to come. That may, in the end, count for much more than the level of education and potential - people have to use their potential and - sadly - most provincial Russians are inculcated not to. And without root changes in *provincial* Russia, the rest of the country won`t go anywhere fast.

DaveUKagain
07-05-2004, 02:14
Plus.... the more I read about what happens when you try to get on in Russia, the more it reads like some Russian anekdot. :)

Had a friend once from Nigeria. His Dad was a thorassic surgeon in Saudi Arabia, his Mum was English, from London, and he ended up in the UK, struggling to get himself established. He`d made a few quid here and there..... but just couldn`t crack it and get settled into a career.

"Could you go back to Nigeria for a while ? " said I, naively..... "Use the money you`ve got saved to buy a big house ? Keep the airfare to one side and apply for UK jobs from there ? "

"Dave" he said, "If you make it in Nigeria, in the area I`m from, someone`ll get jealous, come along and burn your house down. You don`t understand."

Too true. It`s not so bad in Russia, of course, but......... nothing in Russia is simple or clear cut. The one thing it`s not is "easy" and it probably never will be "easy", no matter what.....

pengwn9
07-05-2004, 02:24
"The Russian capacity to endure the unendurable...". Did you crib that out of some book I read? It seems like I've seen that sentiment in dozens of places, slightly reworded and rephrased. Their tolerance for bad government, poor living conditions, general hopelesness.

Maybe it is this tolerance for 'yeah, right, whatever, who cares' that keeps them from rearing up and kicking some serious butt.

I will say that I know few Russian men, and the ones I have talked to tend to be cagy in their conversation....but the women! They may often seem like high-heeled bimbos but I think their guts and strength may be something you haven't counted on to jump start a stagnant mind set. Their educations are too good, and they are strong-willed survivors.

After all, they outlive the men in this country by decades....they've got more to lose by sitting still and saying "oh well, nothing can be done". I honestly think that the power of Russian women may be seriously underestimated.

Limitchik
07-05-2004, 13:12
Originally posted by DaveUKagain
Now that`s true enough........ honestly, Voldemar, "IT and Russia" is not a reliable combination........ ain`t anywhere at the moment. ;-)))))))

More Russian y`know, better it`ll be - honestly, and you`ve got a LOT of time to learn.........

Dave,

Sorry to interrupt the novella in progress, but I'm gonna slightly disagree with you. I happen to be in IT, and well-paid. I'm not the only one I know of.

Granted, it ain't a cake-walk, and I'm all for a healthy dose of realism to balance out unfounded optimism, but I don't think you should completely dash any hope whatsoever, especially you not being here on the ground as I am.

There are positions for foreigners here in IT. They are, of course, few and far between, and most, if not all will require some Russian, but if you look long and hard enough, network among expats, etc., I maintain that it's feasible but difficult.

Just as a matter of principle, I don't think anyone should take 'impossible' as an answer.

My two pennies in kopeck equivalent,
Limitchik

VOLDEMAR
07-05-2004, 13:32
ok fellow expats, Im going to tell you a little story!
I came to Russia in February 2004 on a one month travel visa and fell in love with this country its people this crazy city of Moscow.
when I got back to Canada I found myself totally lost. I DID EVERYTHING I could to do to come back and many thanks goes out to Andrews Travel House for all there help and understanding!! but to make a really long and I do mean long story, short I am back in Moscow for a year and I am going to make the best of it. I have been to 38 countries in the past 5 years but Moscow Russia has been the most Interesting adventure I have been on Everyday that I spend in this City is like a fairy tale out of some obscure book.

Cheers Voldemar

psiems
07-05-2004, 13:33
Good luck my friend, I pretty much did the same thing, got here struggling, now things are taking off. Stick it out and good things should come along!

DaveUKagain
07-05-2004, 17:31
Limitchik, depends on the area of specialisation, of course. ;)

Voldemar, good luck, chief, I really do hope it goes OK for you, but - look at your other skills outside of IT as well. Russians are experts at using what they have to make ends meet.

braganza
07-05-2004, 17:55
There might have been something in the planetary arrangements in jan/feb this year. I left a perfectly relaxed part of the world at that time of this year, where I was well paid and never worried about corruption, visas, immigration people, policemen, terrorists and they didnt even have a metro. Just to be with one of the local women. I am still chasing some meaningful work but I have found things to make ends meet at least. It can be done.

VOLDEMAR
07-05-2004, 18:13
well I have a job interview on tuesday and i might beable to get a job but they told me they are looking to sign a consulting contract only and cant pay more than 2000 usd per month so wish me luck!!!

Ned Kelly
07-05-2004, 18:20
well done. and 2k a month is pretty good if you have no rent to pay.

dave, you know i think you're terrific, but i've got to agree with the limitmeister here, you really shouldn't go in so hard on people about working in moscow when you're sitting in manchester.:p

DaveUKagain
07-05-2004, 18:47
Good luck, Voldemar. ;)

Ned - you can be hard on people or you can totally BS them, butter `em up, pat `em on the back, and that does no good in the long run. :D

Good luck, Voldemar, fingers securely crossed, mate - tell us how you get on !

mcflysr
07-05-2004, 19:12
Originally posted by DJ Biscuit
How about IT admin in an internet salon, $650-1000 per month?
Is $1k for admin in internet salon a joke?

DaveUKagain
07-05-2004, 19:44
Pretty good, actually. Easy Internet Cafe pays about Ј12k in Manchester, and DBA`s here get about Ј30k. (When you can find a DBA job. ;-))))) ) $1200-1500 for DBA`s in Moscow, so $1k for IT admin is pretty good.....

.... considering that the job won`t involve too much hard work. ;-)))

DJ Biscuit
07-05-2004, 20:08
Originally posted by mcflysr
Is $1k for admin in internet salon a joke?

No, that's what he is paid. Too much?

Ned Kelly
08-05-2004, 01:15
Originally posted by DaveUKagain
Good luck, Voldemar. ;)

Ned - you can be hard on people or you can totally BS them, butter `em up, pat `em on the back, and that does no good in the long run. :D

Good luck, Voldemar, fingers securely crossed, mate - tell us how you get on !

fair enough, you're right.

but you need to remember the oil price is $40/bbl right now and moscow is swimming in money (not that it is fairly distributed), so there should be plenty of opportunities. indeed, maybe we should start a pool to bring you over here.:p

DaveUKagain
08-05-2004, 01:27
:D Just send me the oil, mate, and I`ll try selling it down the pub - split the profits ? :)

DaveUKagain
08-05-2004, 06:42
One point about foreign IT workers, though. From experience, when someone tells you in German, "OK, we have to drop all indexes, truncate the user_data table, run that script to reset the sequences AND whilst you`re here, can you work out why the data integrity`s shot in some of the purchasing scripts..... "

... and you didn`t get any (promised) technical German lessons.... and it sounds like "Yadder yadder yadder yadder" to you...... can be a problem. I know. I been there. :D

VOLDEMAR
11-05-2004, 10:36
and then they ask you if you would mind staying a few extra hours each day to check settings and maybe would you mind doing a back-up as well and maybe to look at why our old 486 dx isnt as fast as our pentium 4?

DaveUKagain
11-05-2004, 17:55
Well, that`s par for the course, Voldemar, but when they ask it in a language you don`t understand ...... that`s where the fun begins. ;-))))))))

"Here you are, responsibility for $600,000,000 worth of corporate data. However, we aren`t going to spend one Deutschmark given you technical German lessons, yes, we know we promised, but if it falls over.......... it`s YOUR FAULT- oh yes, everythings` undocumented, too - have a nice day..... " :D

Think I`m taking that kind of stress on for anything less than a fortune ? :D

marus
15-05-2004, 17:21
I hope he gets it Dave as the guy seems to have given up everything to go to Moscow-but then we know the drawbacks, don't we??I agree too that 2k is good money and if he is offered it he should shut up and grab it as there will be many,many others available for less than half that sum!!

How are you getting alonmg these days by the way?Drop me aline!

Martin.

VOLDEMAR
19-05-2004, 15:51
Well I went to The Canadian Embassy, here in Moscow, after waiting about an hour to get in, I had to go through the normal Security checks, walk through a metal detector empty your pockets please etc... But once I did this they gave me a visitors tag to clip onto my coat, and I walked up the few stairs into a lobby I was asked what the nature of my visit to the Canadian Embassy. and then was told to dial an extention on a phone beind me, I talked with a lady for about two minutes and she said "any information that you might need or want is available on their website" and to" have a nice day"!!! I just thought wow and this is the person who is paid to have this job of Business Services attache' to the Canadian Embassy wow I wonder what she does to earn her pay cheque? Nothing!!!! Another useless paid position. :confused: :rolleyes:

jules
20-05-2004, 18:24
What were you trying to find out?

Btw, don't much like your signature, but I assume there's a story behind it?

VOLDEMAR
20-05-2004, 22:52
oh yeah there is a story behind my signature, but i dont need to put the entire expat community into depression. besides its a story thats better left untold anyway.....:eek:

polly
21-05-2004, 00:14
and you needn't go around offending all other females because one of them screwed you over. so if you don't want to tell your story, how about not soliciting questions about it?

Insane Squeezer
21-05-2004, 07:04
Originally posted by DaveUKagain
Little Russian tale. :)
So I go to see my (sadly now ex) brother in law, Sergey, in the South of Volgograd.
Man, you've got relatives in Volgograd?!!
I was brought up there, my parents still live there!

Insane Squeezer
21-05-2004, 07:29
Guys, sorry for breaking in your purely scientific discussion, but I dare do it for a sheer practical reason. I find myself in a, so to say, mirror-opposite situation. I've been climbing higher and higher for many years (including, e.g., four years as a Member of the Duma) and I can't complain on my current job either (I've been working for a large British corporation for 6 years yet).

I even moved to Canada in 2002 and it was rather for an adventure than for any economic reason. However I feel myself kind of trapped in my current position since it lacks challenge and I feel I waste my energy, creativeness and enthusiasm in vain here in Moscow.

So I've been looking for another job for some time both in Russia and in Canada, and the more I do it, the more I feel like my current job is the sort of unreachable summit in the industry and I must be on the heaven nine to hold it. But I am not. Many of my friends both in Russia and Canada say I am crazy because I'm ready to trade my position for something else.

So I fully agree with DaveUK -- the depression comes not from your current situation but from the lack of the perspective. From my point of view, the worst job one can imagine is the job of the President -- you'll be unable to develop your carrer farther after the end of the term in the White House.. or Kremlin.

polly
21-05-2004, 09:52
dude after your first swingin ad and your choice of handle, i can't stop thinking about what it is you're squeezing.

VOLDEMAR
21-05-2004, 15:35
Seeking Employment Advice??

Hello all you Expats here in Moscow, I have a few Questions??

First, I have been in Moscow Since February and the Job I thought I had Secured, before I arrived here,
Fell through not long after arriving.
I have a one-year multi-entry Visa that expires in April 2005.
And I need to find a job and I am becoming very desperate.

Second, since I assume all of you here in Moscow already have secured some sort of employment,
You all might have some Idea? Any Idea’s at all would be helpful at going about finding a job? Any Job? I am not in a position to pick and choose at the moment, however I am willing to do just about anything, Within Reason of course.

I have Certifications through the Computing Technology Industry Association or CompTIA and Microsoft, and several Diploma’s in Network Administration and Network Security as well as Computer Business Applications and Microsoft Office, I have about six years expierence with Canadian and American Companies in Information Technology and I also worked several years in the Canadian Armed Forces and for Commercial Merchant Shipping Companies as a Marine Engineer, and I have worked as a Welder and Auto Mechanic as well, I am willing to work for as little as $500 USD per month so if anyone has any advice or Idea’s can they please PM me or E-mail me at William_bowers@mail.ru

Thanks Voldemar
Canadian in Exile

SVL
21-05-2004, 17:09
Ok, William/Voldemar, I even registered to help you:)
1) $500 is too low, you can`t live in Moscow with a salary like that
2) Where to seek some open positions (my opinion only):
You need to contact some consulting companies, like Deloitte (my wife works for them), KPMG, Arthur Andersen, etc. They have a lot of expats among their managers in Moscow and a lot of expats among their clients here.
Also, try to contact some offshore programming companies from Russia: EPAM, Luxoft, others (do some googling). They have many English speaking clients that might be in need for remote support of their servers/programs.
Try to contact HR agencies that work with those offshore programmers. I know just one, www.connect-personal.ru, they speak English and work with some offshore programming companies. (note: I don`t work for them).
3) Some companies that provide systems for Forex trading in US need English- speaking tech and systems support personnel, and they have teams in Russia. I can`t tell you the names for I`m not authorized to do that:) (again, I do not work for those companies), but I`m giving you an idea on where to do some search for a job.
4) Keep trying and GL.

polly
21-05-2004, 18:13
can't you temp with KellySvcs while you search?

Insane Squeezer
22-05-2004, 04:00
Funny, I was in the same situation while in Toronto like Voldemar now is in Moscow. That's why I am in Moscow and not in Toronto ( I wish I were there). Let's swap, guys?

SpruceGoose
23-05-2004, 13:16
Hi Guys, any of you people know of any agencies in Moscow who specialise in english speaking (mainly/only) business types. I am teaching english at the moment but one of my clients reckons there are agencies out there who are screaming for business skills here, english speaking. Any thoughts?

nick515
03-07-2004, 19:21
TO VOLDEMAR
______
I am a CrAzY Canadian who arrived here on a One Year Multi-Entry Visa, and can not speak Russian,

I am Trying to find a job here in Moscow, I am a Network Administrator with over 6 years expierience and

several
Certifications and about a dozen diploma`s that are not worth the paper they are writen on at least here in

Russia!!!

I have CompTIA A+, Network+, Security+, Certifications
as well as MCSE For Windows 2000
plus about ten Certifications that are out of date and useless
but I have had no luck trying to get a position anywhere here in Moscow.

any advice that i CAN GET WOULD BE HELPFUL?????

cheers
______________
well I dont have rent to pay or a need to call home or a need to fly home until about 2005 and i have a marine

engineering degree from the royal military college of Canada which doesnt do me alot of good here however I

was a auto mechanic for about 5 years but i am not looking for a huge salary just an existance...
___________
Seeking Employment Advice??

Hello all you Expats here in Moscow, I have a few Questions??

First, I have been in Moscow Since February and the Job I thought I had Secured, before I arrived here,
Fell through not long after arriving.
I have a one-year multi-entry Visa that expires in April 2005.
And I need to find a job and I am becoming very desperate.

Second, since I assume all of you here in Moscow already have secured some sort of employment,
You all might have some Idea? Any Idea’s at all would be helpful at going about finding a job? Any Job? I am not in a position to pick and choose at the moment, however I am willing to do just about anything, Within Reason of course.

I have Certifications through the Computing Technology Industry Association or CompTIA and Microsoft, and several Diploma’s in Network Administration and Network Security as well as Computer Business Applications and Microsoft Office, I have about six years expierence with Canadian and American Companies in Information Technology and I also worked several years in the Canadian Armed Forces and for Commercial Merchant Shipping Companies as a Marine Engineer, and I have worked as a Welder and Auto Mechanic as well, I am willing to work for as little as $500 USD per month so if anyone has any advice or Idea’s can they please PM me or E-mail me at William_bowers@mail.ru

Thanks Voldemar
Canadian in Exile
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Seeking Employment Advice??

Hello all you Expats here in Moscow, I have a few Questions??

First, I have been in Moscow Since February and the Job I thought I had Secured, before I arrived here,
Fell through not long after arriving.
I have a one-year multi-entry Visa that expires in April 2005.
And I need to find a job and I am becoming very desperate.

Second, since I assume all of you here in Moscow already have secured some sort of employment,
You all might have some Idea? Any Idea’s at all would be helpful at going about finding a job? Any Job? I am not in a position to pick and choose at the moment, however I am willing to do just about anything, Within Reason of course.

I have Certifications through the Computing Technology Industry Association or CompTIA and Microsoft, and several Diploma’s in Network Administration and Network Security as well as Computer Business Applications and Microsoft Office, I have about six years expierence with Canadian and American Companies in Information Technology and I also worked several years in the Canadian Armed Forces and for Commercial Merchant Shipping Companies as a Marine Engineer, and I have worked as a Welder and Auto Mechanic as well, I am willing to work for as little as $500 USD per month so if anyone has any advice or Idea’s can they please PM me or E-mail me at William_bowers@mail.ru

Thanks Voldemar
Canadian in Exile
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Ha-Ha!! Very funny.
Do you have 6 y experience as an IT professional and 5
y as a a auto mechanic? And do you have a marine
engineering degree from the royal military college of Canada? You don't. That's unbelievable ... have you been working since you are were kid? As I know you you're a very lazy guy. And you've never finished any thing what you started. Are you an IT professional? No..
When you sent me e-mail from Steve's name did you think about anything? Does Steve live in Moscow? Does he use as an Internet provider ROL ol MTU? You are a dilettante. You even don't have enough expirience to hide yourself. You have only one expirience.. To pick the pocket of another person, who trusted you, and take out his or her money. You did it a lot of times in Canada and that it's why you're hiding yourself in Russia.

My advice.
You can't to find good job in Moscow. Nobody needs you there. Go back to Canada, pay back your debts and work as a welder or a truck driver. That's the best way for you.

Finally, I'm wondering all Expats in Moscow. Don't trust to VOLDEMAR. He can put you to trouble anytime. He never keeps his words but he will swear you on his doughter's life that he does everything. He made a lot of wrong things in Canada and, I'm sure, he's going to do it in Moscow. Maybe after Moscow he goes to Bangladesh???? :)

Best regards , everybody. excepting VOLDEMAR. I'm sorry, but I can't wish him good luck. I'don't like frouds and impostors

VOLDEMAR
05-07-2004, 15:35
Well NICK515 OR SHOULD I SAY ILIAS ZAITOV,

You are very Pathetic!!

I have never seen someone so Vandictive as You,
I am tired of your Harrassment and Its really Pathetic
that you think you can Intimadate me and use extortion
to try and get $400 Canadian Dollars out of Me that you think I owe You for a Bell Canada Phone Bill?

Someday when we go to Small Claims Court and a Judge Orders me to Pay you, You might get this money, when you prove beyond
a shadow of a doubt that I Owe You this Money, which is unlikely,

However, because you want $400 USD from me you have decided to spend the last two Months trying to extort this Money from me,
and you failed so you decided that if I wont pay you, Maybe my ex-Girfriend Tatiana will Pay? where is the logic in that??

So you send threatening e-mails to her and get your friends to call
her and harrass her everyday? and you think by Intimadating her that I will Pay You?

what has she done to you?

you have alot of Nerve and now you make posts on Expat.ru ??

prost
07-07-2004, 21:20
well it is not really easy , but one must keep trying

nick515
11-07-2004, 18:57
You are very Pathetic!!

I have never seen someone so Vandictive as You,
I am tired of your Harrassment and Its really Pathetic
that you think you can Intimadate me and use extortion
to try and get $400 Canadian Dollars out of Me that you think I owe You for a Bell Canada Phone Bill?

Someday when we go to Small Claims Court and a Judge Orders me to Pay you, You might get this money, when you prove beyond
a shadow of a doubt that I Owe You this Money, which is unlikely,

However, because you want $400 USD from me you have decided to spend the last two Months trying to extort this Money from me,
and you failed so you decided that if I wont pay you, Maybe my ex-Girfriend Tatiana will Pay? where is the logic in that??

So you send threatening e-mails to her and get your friends to call
her and harrass her everyday? and you think by Intimadating her that I will Pay You?

what has she done to you?

you have a lot of Nerve and now you make posts on Expat.ru ??


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Pathetic?
No! I'm very realistic. Because I know my own abilty.
Ok!
I don't have a lot of time to discuss with you.
There is below some my ideas. but , as you know , i have it more.
Firstly, you have acknolwledged your debt. and I'm going to meet you in Small Claims Court. Don't worry. We'll meeet there.
Secondly, You have confessed that you've a debt to me. there are your words FROM ICQ :
_____________

but i have no money until my rrsp arrives in my account and tanya has no money
and i still cant believe you asked her for money you should have talked to me about this situation i dont like to hear things from tanya after the fact

tell your wife i am very sorry and as soon as i have money i will pay for these calls
as soon as i have money i will send you this money its a small amount its of no concern i have no choice i have to pay you for these calls in sake of zoya and my friendship with you


my RRSP MONEY WAS DEPOSITED INTO US BANK IN NEW YORK WHICH IS SISTER BANK TO ALFA BANK IN MOSCOW THERE HAS BEEN DELAYS IN TRANSFER AND I DONT KNOW WJHY IM BROKE AND HAVE NO MONEY AND TANYA IS VERY UPSET BECAUSE SHE HAS TO SUPPORT ME ON HER TINY SALARY
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nick515
11-07-2004, 19:01
here are your words. Do you agree ?
Everytime you talk about that you are honest. But you are not.
You are very a cowardly person.
Why did my lawer call to Tanya? Because you didn't give me your phones, addresses. You gave me only her position dates. Your cowardly have hided behind her. You are not a man. You are a coward. You even didn't apologize to my wife. I know about your girlfriend or ex-girlfriend nothing. I'm not interested with her. I don't need her. I called and mailed her to find you only. But you put her in front of you. I'm repeating, you are a dastard. And you lie to her everytime.
Do you think that you disappeared from Bob and Chippy in Moscow? Don't think so. Everytbody wants to you in Canada.:))) They are waiting for you. And I'm going to help them.
There is your conversation below. You've never shown this to Tanya in full.

nick515
11-07-2004, 19:03
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Chippy 17.04.20 18:56 well .. if Tayna is going to be a BIG part of
your life .... then your going to have to
exercise and eat well too!!

VOLDEMAR 17.04.20 18:56 I HAVE NOT EATEN IN THREE DAYS AND TO TELL YOU
THE TRUTH I DONT THINK TANYA WANTS ME TO RETURN
TO MOSCOW

Chippy 17.04.20 18:57 women worry about their men if they drink hard

VOLDEMAR 17.04.20 18:57 IF I DIE TOMMORROW IT WOULD NOT CAUSE A RIPPLE IN
ANYONES LIFE

Chippy 17.04.20 18:57 and women dont want troubles with money either

Chippy 17.04.20 18:58 and yes Tanya loves you ...she told me

Chippy 17.04.20 18:58 to die is for everyone... is your name Jesus????

VOLDEMAR 17.04.20 19:02 WELL IM GOING TO GO JUMP IN FRONT OF A BUS TALK
TO YOU LATER I WANT A AN E-MAIL FROM YOU SENT TO
TANYA EXPALINING TO HER THAT THERE WAS ALOT OF
LIES SENT HER WAY BECAUSE OF HOT TEMPERED
MISJUDGEMENTS OR I WILL PUT A STOP PAYMENT ON
THOSE CHEQUES AND DISAPEAR FOREVER FROM EVERYONE
INCLUDING TANYA

VOLDEMAR 17.04.20 19:03 IM NOT ****ING AROUND ANYMORE I DID NT REALLY
DESREVE TO BE TREATED THIS WAY AND SOPMEONE IS
GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THE TROUBLES IM IN BECAUSE
OF IT

VOLDEMAR 19.04.20 11:47 BOB YOUR BEAT

Chippy 19.04.20 11:48 hi!!!

Chippy 19.04.20 11:49 whats up????

Chippy 19.04.20 11:50 what do you mean I'm beat????

VOLDEMAR 19.04.20 11:50 HEY BOB WHATS NEW AND OR INTERESTING?

Chippy 19.04.20 11:51 Larry and I just got back from your bank in
Waterloo!!!

nick515
11-07-2004, 19:04
VOLDEMAR 19.04.20 11:51 SURE AND?

VOLDEMAR 19.04.20 11:52 DID YOU NOTICE THAT THE CHEQUES ARE POST DATED?
CAUSE THERE IS NO MONEY IN THAT ACCOUNT

Chippy 19.04.20 11:52 they told us the account you wrote those cheques
was closed out a month ago!!!

Chippy 19.04.20 11:52 then do you plan on reopening the account????

Chippy 19.04.20 11:54 :-)well ???? are the cheques going to be good May
1st????

VOLDEMAR 19.04.20 11:54 THEY WOULDNT SAY THAT I OPEN THAT ACCOUNT ONLY A
WEEK AGO:-P

VOLDEMAR 19.04.20 11:56 SO YOU TWO GUYS ARE BEAT ANYWAY CAUSE IT WILL BE
A COLD DAY IN HELL BEFORE YOU GET A PENNY OUT OF
ME

Chippy 19.04.20 11:56 why???

VOLDEMAR 19.04.20 11:58 CAUSE OF THE BULL SHIT THE TWO OF YOU HAVE
STARTED WHY SHOULD I PAY YOU GUYS ONE RED CENT
AFTER ALL THE SHIT IVE BEEN PUT THROUGH FRIENDS
DONT DO THAT AND SECOND OF ALL IF YOU WANTED YOUR
MONEY BACCK TWO FACING ME ISNT GOING TO GET YOU
THE MONEY ANY FASTER

Chippy 19.04.20 11:59 you said your not going to pay us so what kind of
BS is that???

VOLDEMAR 19.04.20 11:59 WHAT DO YOU THINK?

VOLDEMAR 19.04.20 12:00 CAUSE IT WILL BE A COLD DAY IN HELL BEFORE YOU
GET A PENNY OUT OF ME

Chippy 20.04.20 21:29 happy birthday..... asshole!!!
you think hell will freeze over for an asshole
like YOU!!!
I dont think so......... !!!!
you want to play... games????
I haven't lived this long to deal with scum like
you........
watch your back...
but watch especially for a very large white
mercedes.....
with your name on the "Bumper"!!!!
:-D

VOLDEMAR 22.04.20 11:53 Hey Bob well as you must know I arrived in Moscow
yesterday at 10:00pm and you and Larry will not
get a penny from me which is because of your own
fault if you two had been honest with me and if
you would have showed up when we had agreed to
meet maybe i would have been able to find out
what was the problem but i was kept like a
mushroom kept in the dark and fed shit so know
that I am out of the country and never to return
to canada.

nick515
11-07-2004, 19:10
VOLDEMAR 22.04.20 11:56 and I would like to thank you for your happy
birthday mesage it made me smile if you talk to
Tanya tell her I will call her in a few days I am
at a friends place maybe I can still try and fix
the damage you and larry has caused between us
but at least i have the last laugh I have a good
job here in moscow and I am making lots of us
dolllars hehehehehehehe

VOLDEMAR 22.04.20 11:57 but I really would like to thank you and larry
for all your help without your help I would not
be here in moscow enjoying life and without a
worry in the world as for your running m over
with your white heap of a car unless you can
drive it across the ocean i have nothing to fear
hhehehehehehe

VOLDEMAR 22.04.20 12:01 well as for larry tell him i really am sorry for
the way things went down but if you two would
have just took the time to explain the situation
maybe things would not have gone down the way
they did i would really like to pay you two guys
back but how can i do this

VOLDEMAR 22.04.20 12:01 when there is this cloud of deception hovering
over everything but who knows what time will
bring maybe ill have a change of heart and decide
to pay you two back but not until there is me
honesty and the lies and bullshit stop cause im
hearing all kinds of storys and i dont know who i
can trust anymore so i trust know one

VOLDEMAR 22.04.20 12:01 and that includes you my friend chippy
hehehheehehe Thanks again buddy lol


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Finally, I've just warned ExPat community about you. I have been in trouble since I met you. And I want that persons like you leave my country. You will be kick off Russia. I'll do it. There are a lot of people like you without you. And don't intimidate me by ICQ or Mail. I'm not afraid you. Every person who cheats has to be punished.

Sheepy
12-07-2004, 09:41
The plot thickens!

Zephyr
12-07-2004, 10:00
Originally posted by Sheepy
The plot thickens!
Or coagulates possibly :>)))))))

DPG
12-07-2004, 12:28
Thread Closed.

Let's hope it dies a natural death and does NOT spawn any children before it does.

Voldemar and Nick515, if you two have some form of vendetta against each other, please resolve it between yourselves, IN PRIVATE without filling the board with insults and arguments.