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DaveUKagain
01-05-2004, 02:22
Today, Dave here found himself on the receiving end of some Marxist - Leninst claptrap. :D There I am on this useless training course, minding my own business, when a paper gets dropped in my lap by Ken - aka Red Ken - not that one......

"That`ll interest you, Dave" says Red Ken. One look at the picture of Lenin on the front tells me it won`t interest me, Dave. ;-))))

I then get a two hour political harangue by someone whose universal cure-all for the wicked old world we live in is a dose of (badly interpreted) Marxist Leninism. Hm. By now the "loony detector" is registering a solid 9.5 - will Red Ken shut the feck up ? Will he boggery. ;-))))

Finally, I stood up and told him (in Russian) that he was the biggest idiot I`d met that day. All delivered with a charming smile. I "made my excuses and left". ;-)))))))))))) #

Why oh why oh why do these lunatics exist ???? :D

peyote
01-05-2004, 04:33
Originally posted by DaveUKagain
Finally, I stood up and told him (in Russian) that he was the biggest idiot I`d met that day. All delivered with a charming smile. I "made my excuses and left". ;-)))))))))))) #

Why oh why oh why do these lunatics exist ???? :D so that other lunatics respond in tongues
:D

DaveUKagain
01-05-2004, 04:45
I`ll buy that hombre a cigar. :D Peyote, ma man, you couldn`t have put it any clearer than that. :-)

peyote
01-05-2004, 04:59
hey amigo, i'm in barcelooooooona...
and there's nothing like tea with "chocolate" (that's how they call it here for the similarity with a chocolate bar) ... you get my drift...
and i'm really into this gaudi madness come in here, dear boy, have a cigar you're gonna go far... think i'm gonna stay for good, oh mama damn right i got the blues... from my head down to my shoes...
;)

DaveUKagain
01-05-2004, 05:40
And by the way, which one`s Pink ? ;-)))) Hey, Peyote, what are your torcedors up to nowadays ? ;-)) I got a Romeo Y Julieta yesterday with a blonde pubic hair in the end of it - and it says "totalamente a MANO" on the box........... :D

DaveUKagain
01-05-2004, 06:11
Ohh yeah - forgot - Red Ken`s quote of the day was that "Life in the USSR started going wrong in 1954, all historians agree with that" - thank you dear Stalin for a happy childhood kind of thing. ;-)))

I think Red Ken would`ve been the first with a bullet in the head if he`d had to spend five minutes there - but the grass is always greener on the other side of the ulitsa, isn`t it ? :D All the good times ended with the death of Stalin................. pardon me whilst I tape up my sides, which`ve split through laughing. ;)

Know some more people (UK) who`re infected with the same incurable malady and feel the urge to spread the good word at the drop of a hat. ;-)))))))

"Lenin clearly stated ............... "
"Oh, shut *up*, for God`s sake....................... " :D

trackhat
01-05-2004, 07:41
Ok, first off, I'm not a commie. Secondly, if I was a commie, I'd be as embarrassed of Russian communism as I feel my Republican grandmother should be of George Dubya Bush. I believe that the spirit of communism is voluntary communal living. Communism was tried in the US of A and, to a large extent, failed.

To quote the 1911 encyclopedia:

"The various communistic experiments in America are the most interesting in modern times, opportunities being naturally greater there for such deviations from the normal forms of regulations as compared with the closely organized states of Europe, and particularly in the means of obtaining land cheaply for social settlements with peculiar views. They have been classified by Morris Hillquit (History of Socialism in the United States, 1903) as (I) sectarian, (2) Owenite, (3) Fourieristic, (4) Icarian."

I can't do the article justice:
http://10.1911encyclopedia.org/C/CO/COMMUNISM.htm

Literally thousands of Americans joined utopian communist societies in the 19th century. 90% of them more or less failed, but some still exist! A friend of mine from the Anarchist Book Club in New York City (they hold meetings in the Brecht Forum) contributes to a directory of them - I'll try to find it. The second wave of communist societies took place in the 1960's. There are still places like Christiana in Copenhagen and the Ganas community on Staten Island where you can find people living in communes. However, most people realized that communism wasn't for them. Forcing people into collectives isn't communist - it's a totalitarian bastardization thereof. Marx'es principal fallacy (and Marx was not the only communist) was that capital is static; that you might liberate a factory from ole' whitie and manage it effectively in his stead. If I wanted to encourage communism, I'd give land grants to groups that want to start communist communities. Marxism is predicated on the idea that capital must be liberated. Bullshit - capital is something you must build and re-build if you have any faith in communism at all. This is why I have much more respect for Fourier or Robert Owen than Dyada Lenin or (God forbid) these silly pamphleteers.

A web site that lists communes:

http://www.ic.org/

DaveUKagain
01-05-2004, 13:14
"Lenin clearly said.......... " :D Trackhat, the spirit of Communism is voluntary communal living....... at bayonet point. ;-)))))) Just because capitalism is a failure, it doesn`t make communism a success, and here we go again....... yep, there`s a huge dichotomy between the idea and the reality. Which just proves the idea doesn`t work in reality. "Next !!!!!!! " :D

trackhat
01-05-2004, 14:59
Why is capitalism a failure? Capitalism doesn't promise anyone anything - it's just a word used to describe a process. Where it really does exist, it's a huge success. Nobody ever fights for capitalism - they sometimes fight for liberty and capitalism follows. Of course, complete laissez-faire (think water privatization) might be considered a failure.

pengwn9
02-05-2004, 12:16
I remember doing that commune living thing many years ago.

It didn't take me long to see that it was an excuse for getting women to do all the work while the guys did.....a lot of dope smoking and not much else.

I moved back to town and got a job.

DaveUKagain
02-05-2004, 12:49
Oh yeah, you forgot "topless" somewhere in there, Peng. ;-))) I could be converted, y`know. ;-))))))))))

kniga
02-05-2004, 12:50
Pengwn9,

Yes, the hippies hornswoggled you hippiettes with, "Make Love, not War," and you girls proved once again that you are smarter than boys except when it comes to matters of the heart. Congratulations for escaping from the Free Love Society...

trackhat
03-05-2004, 15:07
So that's why they say "Every man a king..." The man sits on the throne while the woman does the work... I like it.

Zephyr
04-05-2004, 01:42
Well then again there's the Amish, Quakers, and their Ilk. That is about the truest form of communism that I've observed. But it's done in closed societies with voluntary participants. A big difference from what Marx proposed and what was carried out in Russia.

DaveUKagain
04-05-2004, 01:49
Couldn`t have put it better, Zephyr - the old "utopian socialist" idea - idea of returning to a simpler and fairer lifestyle. There`s a lot to be said for it.

Trouble always is that when I get collared by a Marxist - Leninist pamphleteer, the first thing they admit is "Great idea, doesn`t work in practice" - yep, and ?? Is there any more to say about it ? ;-)))))

Zephyr
04-05-2004, 03:00
As with the water that has not only flowed under the bridge, it has evaporated come down as rain and flowed and flowed again.
Yes you are right nothing more can be said. :-)