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Dashinka2001
30-04-2008, 15:59
Remind me please...what is the penalty (fine) for overstaying a visa period by a few days?

The Traveler
30-04-2008, 18:01
Well I'm not sure about the monetary ($$) penalty, but I can tell you about the other problems. First, you can't leave. You're going to go to the airport with a ticket in hand, and everything will be just fine. You'll check your bags, go through the process, even clear customs. Then you're going to approach passport control, and that's where the fun begins.
You're not going to leave. They won't stamp your passport, or let you cross the border. They will force you to remain inside of Russia until you have obtained a visa extention that will allow you to cross the border. That's just the start of it. Now, you're an illegal alien inside of Russia, and you just lost your plane tickets (non-refundable), and you have to plead to get your bags back. You have to find somewhere to stay on an expired visa (good luck with that one), and you'll be without registration (pray the police don't check your documents). You're going to have to deal with these problems for anwhere from 1 week to 1 month, depending on who issued your invitation and when you can get them to send a letter of extension for you. Also, the next time you file for a visa and you want to come back, you're going to have problems because you overstayed the last time. Last but not least? That immigration card that they give you at the border they will take away, and that sets up a red flag the next time you DO cross the border either in or out. So even if you manage to get another visa and return to Russia after facing the problems of getting a new one, you're going to have problems when you get back again, because they already know through the computer that you didn't have your immigration card when you left last time, on top of the fact that you overstayed your visa.
Well as I said, I don't know the monetary fines, but all I can tell you is that just for the amount of problems you're going to have, I wouldn't risk it. Good luck!

cookie monster
01-05-2008, 10:34
You would need to coordinate with the agency that sponsored your visa whether you are on a business or tourist visa. Cause only the agency by law is authorized to deal with OVIR authorities to obtain a visa extension, to allow you to depart from Russia. In addition, the fees are pro-rated.

is4fun
01-05-2008, 11:23
Well I'm not sure about the monetary ($$) penalty, but I can tell you about the other problems. First, you can't leave. You're going to go to the airport with a ticket in hand, and everything will be just fine. You'll check your bags, go through the process, even clear customs. Then you're going to approach passport control, and that's where the fun begins.
You're not going to leave. They won't stamp your passport, or let you cross the border. They will force you to remain inside of Russia until you have obtained a visa extention that will allow you to cross the border. That's just the start of it. Now, you're an illegal alien inside of Russia, and you just lost your plane tickets (non-refundable), and you have to plead to get your bags back. You have to find somewhere to stay on an expired visa (good luck with that one), and you'll be without registration (pray the police don't check your documents). You're going to have to deal with these problems for anwhere from 1 week to 1 month, depending on who issued your invitation and when you can get them to send a letter of extension for you. Also, the next time you file for a visa and you want to come back, you're going to have problems because you overstayed the last time. Last but not least? That immigration card that they give you at the border they will take away, and that sets up a red flag the next time you DO cross the border either in or out. So even if you manage to get another visa and return to Russia after facing the problems of getting a new one, you're going to have problems when you get back again, because they already know through the computer that you didn't have your immigration card when you left last time, on top of the fact that you overstayed your visa.
Well as I said, I don't know the monetary fines, but all I can tell you is that just for the amount of problems you're going to have, I wouldn't risk it. Good luck!



Very correct. Have a freind who overstayed by only 2 hours as the train had not made the border. He was not allowed to leave thus the process began...

innovator
13-05-2008, 18:56
I would agree with much of the above.

If you overstay your visa you should go to the Embassy of your country for assistance. Only they can assist you to obtain a one day exit visa. You must provide a valid reason why you overstayed such as a medical reason.

Another reason might be traffic congestion on the way to the airport (seriously).

In any case it's not a good idea and you will require consular assistance.

anthonycasey
14-05-2008, 01:48
I would agree with much of the above.

If you overstay your visa you should go to the Embassy of your country for assistance. Only they can assist you to obtain a one day exit visa. You must provide a valid reason why you overstayed such as a medical reason.

Another reason might be traffic congestion on the way to the airport (seriously).

In any case it's not a good idea and you will require consular assistance.
Huh, consular assistance? What's that? In my experience it extends to this:
'We can't help that you have a valid reason for overstaying along with supporting paperwork. All we can suggest is that you make your way to Moscow where the agency that obtained your visa originally is based. Next!'
By all means tell the consulate that you are stuck, but don't waste any other time on them. Just get to the agency that got your visa. And do it quickly. The longer you stay, the more it costs.

cookie monster
14-05-2008, 15:04
I would agree with much of the above.

If you overstay your visa you should go to the Embassy of your country for assistance. Only they can assist you to obtain a one day exit visa. You must provide a valid reason why you overstayed such as a medical reason.

Another reason might be traffic congestion on the way to the airport (seriously).

In any case it's not a good idea and you will require consular assistance.

In Accordance with Russian MFA regulations they cannot assist in facilitating the required exit visa and will have to coordinate with the agency that provided the visa for said person/s. And only the providing agency as governed by Russian laws can facilitate the exit visa, with payment of overstaying fees which is of course pro-rated.

If the Info was provided by your Embassy well it'is obsolete, it was the case a few years ago, wherein Embassies can facilitate exit visas of their respective nationals.

kapione
02-06-2008, 08:15
Very correct. Have a freind who overstayed by only 2 hours as the train had not made the border. He was not allowed to leave thus the process began...

I am the one quoted above I was 2 hours 18 minutes last crossing the border due to train delay...they frieghtened my wife .... tried to shake me up , but I knew what they wanted $$$$$ they wanted 4000py , I said 1000 we settled at 2000py they criminal border gaurd stepped out of the coupe and changed the date back and viola .... my passport was in order
if me and my wife go out for lunch or dinner I usually pay this amount ...so I laugh at their greed here, it is so transparent

Larry Paradine
15-06-2008, 00:03
My experience of exiting Russia after the witching hour is antediluvian, it happened in mid January 2000, but I have never forgotten it and I doubt if anything but the financial penalty has changed since. I was on the night train from Moscow to Riga, which arrived at the border at about 6.30 am Moscow time. My visa had expired at midnight. I wont say I wasn't worried, but I deluded myself with the belief that such a brief and trivial infringement of the visa laws wouldn't merit more than a stiff verbal reprimand. I was wrong! The passport control officer called two armed border guards, who ordered me off the train and marched me off to a militsya post. I was given to understand that I was under arrest. Then an MVD officer told me that I could either pay for a visa extension covering the time elapsed, or have a deportation order stamped in my passport and be returned to the train under guard as a deportee. Needless to state, I chose the first option, paying just under 1,000 roubles (about 970 roubles, to be exact, worth considerably more eight years ago, and nearly emptying my wallet). N.B. This wasn't a bribe, it was the standard fee for a visa extension of 12 hours or less, and I was given a receipt. After that I was allowed to return to the train without an escort, but my troubles weren't quite over. When the train had crossed the no man's land area and arrived at the Latvian border post, a brace of officials and a Latvian policeman entered the plastkartni carriage I was in from the door at the front end and, ignoring all the passengers in the front and middle, made a beeline for me at the back. I was questioned about my solvency and asked how long I intended to be in Latvia and where I would stay in Riga, and my baggage was searched. Eventually they stamped my passport (British, but this was before the Baltics joined the EU) and said I could enter the country, but warned me that, if I stayed longer than the five days I'd told them was my intended length of stay, I might find myself being asked to report to the immigration office even though British subjects had a right to stay in Latvia for three months without a visa. As the train finally pulled out of the station I noticed a Latvian border guard on a lookout post training field glasses on the Russian frontier, and assumed the Latvians had observed my humiliation on the Russian side and deduced that I was an undesirable that the Russians were only too happy to be rid of.

xSnoofovich
15-06-2008, 01:23
yea ok, here is one of my stories.


the last day of my visa, i left russia to go to latvia. about three hours before we reached the border, in the middle of nowhere, and about 1 or 2 am, there was a russian military roadblock. they guys got on the bus with ak-47s. they looked at everyones passports, and when they saw mine, they took it, and left the bus. they went to their commander, and for 5-10 minutes they were talking. i thought for sure they were going to pull me off the bus, and then to what, i had no idea, but nothing but bad thoughts. the bus people were scared, and the bus workers were terrified. after about 15 min, the soldiers came back, said nothing, and let us go. i crossed the border, the guards yelled at me, i said nothing, and we all moved along in silence.

end of story- i got my next russian visa in riga, and the next day crossed the border, and came back to moscow.

kapione
11-07-2008, 18:16
yea ok, here is one of my stories.


the last day of my visa, i left russia to go to latvia. about three hours before we reached the border, in the middle of nowhere, and about 1 or 2 am, there was a russian military roadblock. they guys got on the bus with ak-47s. they looked at everyones passports, and when they saw mine, they took it, and left the bus. they went to their commander, and for 5-10 minutes they were talking. i thought for sure they were going to pull me off the bus, and then to what, i had no idea, but nothing but bad thoughts. the bus people were scared, and the bus workers were terrified. after about 15 min, the soldiers came back, said nothing, and let us go. i crossed the border, the guards yelled at me, i said nothing, and we all moved along in silence.

end of story- i got my next russian visa in riga, and the next day crossed the border, and came back to moscow.

you're lucky !!! your story could have been quite different , dont brag or gloat ...next time the luck of the Irish can bite you in the ass.....

everyone here on expat are adults , you know the laws here , you know the law doesnt work to any foriegners advantage......
you know the time on your VISAs abide by them , or risk trouble

xSnoofovich
11-07-2008, 18:38
you're lucky !!! your story could have been quite different , dont brag or gloat ...next time the luck of the Irish can bite you in the ass.....

everyone here on expat are adults , you know the laws here , you know the law doesnt work to any foriegners advantage......
you know the time on your VISAs abide by them , or risk trouble

You're right of course, I was lucky. I actually had this happen to me about 4 or 5 times though. This is not to say I would encourage it, or even do it again.

RIKO
11-07-2008, 19:12
everyone here on expat are adults , you know the laws here , you know the law doesnt work to any foriegners advantage......
you know the time on your VISAs abide by them , or risk trouble

And if you're still having any doubts then tattoo these words on your forehead !

kapione
11-07-2008, 20:03
And if you're still having any doubts then tattoo these words on your forehead !


perfect words 100% accurate RIKO

bengt
24-04-2009, 20:55
In 2002 I visited Russia as tourist, using the train from Finland. By accident I wrote as last day in the visa application the hotel checkout day. I had a night train ticket from Moscow to Helsinki. But this night trains does not reach the border until 7 am. I found out a few days before the trip and asked the Russian consulate what to do. He said he can't extend it because the hotel is my sponsor and he can't include days when I don't stay at the hotel. But he said it is not important that the train arrives after midnight, is no problem. By the way the consultate almost lost my hotel vouchers, they found them after some searching. Unprofessional... When I reached the border, the border police was not very happy and I can't speak Russian, and border police could not speak anything else. A woman on the train help translating. It ended that was I asked to pay 50 euros in fine and was registered as a visa violator and was allowed to leave Russia right away.

Was I just lucky? The Finnish railway company writes a recommendation on their page about trains to Russia to make sure the visa includes all days if you use the night train to Moscow. But they don't write that you are locked inside Russia and is sent to prison in Siberia f you can't get a visa.

Is there a recommendation never to be a tourist in Russia? I have heard a recommendation not to be be a tourist in Russia if you can't speak russian.

I have not visited Russia later and don't plan to.