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Canadiantraveler
22-04-2008, 04:34
So what is the processes for me (Canadian) getting a permit to live and work in Russia. I have talked to the consulate in Canada and I am a little confused. It seems I need to get a visa to go there (a tourist visa or something) and then I need to get a residency permit? Has anyone gone through this before? Did it take long? What is the best type of permit to go there with? I read that a "family visa" can take up to 3 monthes.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

米乐龙
22-04-2008, 05:13
Go on a 3 month business visa. The process for temp residency will probably take 6 months so you will have to leave the country, apply for another 3 month visa, and then re-enter.

llj45
24-04-2008, 17:02
Hi,
Yes, becoming a temporary resident of Russia takes about 6 months. In my case, I was fortunate. It took a little less than 6 months which made another trip to the Ukraine unneccessary to obtain another homestay visa!
The 3 month visa is called either a homestay visa or a private visa. It requires an invitation from the person interested in your coming to Russia probably your spouse or a member of their family.
There are many steps and documents to do or to make to become a temporary resident which will probably allow you to stay in Russia for as long as 3 years.
LLJ45

Bels
24-04-2008, 19:56
Hi,
Yes, becoming a temporary resident of Russia takes about 6 months. In my case, I was fortunate. It took a little less than 6 months which made another trip to the Ukraine unneccessary to obtain another homestay visa!
The 3 month visa is called either a homestay visa or a private visa. It requires an invitation from the person interested in your coming to Russia probably your spouse or a member of their family.
There are many steps and documents to do or to make to become a temporary resident which will probably allow you to stay in Russia for as long as 3 years.
LLJ45

And if u apply for apply for permanent, a lot longer. Process for applying for permanent is the same, except you won't need a police check, and you wont have to worry about leaving unless the 3 years expires.

Canadiantraveler
24-04-2008, 21:15
So if I get this temporary 3 year visa, can I extend it after or get a perminent residency? I heard somewhere you can't extend after the 3 years but that seems weird if I am married to a citizen?

This is all so confusing:9456:

Bels
24-04-2008, 21:41
So if I get this temporary 3 year visa, can I extend it after or get a perminent residency? I heard somewhere you can't extend after the 3 years but that seems weird if I am married to a citizen?

This is all so confusing:9456:

Yes you can, you apply for permanent residency after one year.

Similar to UK , but funny as it may sound, Britain has better deals than Russia, and are far more efficient. twenty four hours in Britain compared to possibly more than six months in Russia. Also Russian spouses can stay in Britain while application process takes place. Auomatically a permanent residence after four years of marriage, and a British passport. Spouses can stay in Britain for at least one year if there is a problem with the application, but it's unlikely. Once got you will have free education and medical treatment for your kids for example etc, etc , etc. Things you don't get in Russia :) WHO'S THE SOCIALIST COUNTRY NOW! And even more if you choose to live in Scotland. Free university and housing aid.

Canadiantraveler
24-04-2008, 23:26
It is funny that there is no "marriage visa" or something like that, which we have in Canada before you get your permanent residency. Not that Canada is that easy either. We are pretty burecratic here too. But yeah at least we have health insurance and stuff.

Bels
24-04-2008, 23:42
It is funny that there is no "marriage visa" or something like that, which we have in Canada before you get your permanent residency. Not that Canada is that easy either. We are pretty burecratic here too. But yeah at least we have health insurance and stuff.

My guess is Canada is similar to Britain with your spouse visa. Residency is the step in Russia, unfortuanately they do give this uncertainty of families splitting up, families with young children. Which I think would be ironic in Canada or Britain would contemplate. What Russian legislation seems to forget is that they are upstting Russians and ther Russian children aswell as foreigners due to their crazy red-tape. In some circumstances spouses are forced to to leave the country for at least four months at great cost financially and with great stress to the family who need them, they should be allowed to concentrate in taking care of their Russian family.

To summarise, if in a small busininess, you need one person, such as your Russian spouse to work fulltime administrating and dealing with the garbage from local and federal red-tape, whilst the other tries to concentrate on earning. Due to them , shouldn't the fees double? YES. It's no wonder we have high inflation here.

And believe me , this ridiculous red-tape doesn't stop , after residency and entrepeneur or employment, it goes on and on, full of time wasting on behalf of the family, distracting them from concentrating on earning, that in the end we all say " Let's get out of this damn country, it's one red tape after another, and full of corruption". And I'm talking about expats and Russians alike.

tobias
16-05-2008, 11:23
And believe me , this ridiculous red-tape doesn't stop , after residency and entrepeneur or employment, it goes on and on, full of time wasting on behalf of the family, distracting them from concentrating on earning, that in the end we all say " Let's get out of this damn country, it's one red tape after another, and full of corruption". And I'm talking about expats and Russians alike.

Amen. We thought after Temp. Res. things might get a little easier, but we've changed our minds recently. I probably won't even get Temp. Res. We're definitely at the "Let's just move to a real country" stage.

RRM
16-05-2008, 11:34
What about leaving the country and coming back in for short trips once you have a Temporary permit ?


Hi,
Yes, becoming a temporary resident of Russia takes about 6 months. In my case, I was fortunate. It took a little less than 6 months which made another trip to the Ukraine unneccessary to obtain another homestay visa!
The 3 month visa is called either a homestay visa or a private visa. It requires an invitation from the person interested in your coming to Russia probably your spouse or a member of their family.
There are many steps and documents to do or to make to become a temporary resident which will probably allow you to stay in Russia for as long as 3 years.
LLJ45

Bels
16-05-2008, 19:32
What about leaving the country and coming back in for short trips once you have a Temporary permit ?

No problem, but every time you leave Russia, got to FMS for an exit visa. Your total period out of the country is six months. Once you get your pemanent, you go and come back as you please, without an exit visa or permission of any type.

Penguin_The_Great
16-05-2008, 20:46
Amen. We thought after Temp. Res. things might get a little easier, but we've changed our minds recently. I probably won't even get Temp. Res. We're definitely at the "Let's just move to a real country" stage.

I wish I knew where the “real country” was! I’d move there gladly if I could! It seems that every country has its share of problems.

RRM
16-05-2008, 21:14
How long does it take to get an exit visa ? This is a critical question for me ?

No problem, but every time you leave Russia, got to FMS for an exit visa. Your total period out of the country is six months. Once you get your pemanent, you go and come back as you please, without an exit visa or permission of any type.

Bels
16-05-2008, 21:55
I have been assured it will be very quick and simple by FMS.

Although I have no desire to try it out yet, as I have been so tired of having to leave the country and leaving my family with unnecassary expense, that I am now happy to settle here for the time being and keep my young family financially and socially. That's the purpose of having a residency, is it not. But if you you want to travel backwards and forth on business or social reasons, then perhaps residency is not for you. The business should work out fine.

RRM
16-05-2008, 22:45
I understand, but there are emergencies that you need to travel for and if this is going to be hard then its something to think about.

I have been assured it will be very quick and simple by FMS.

Although I have no desire to try it out yet, as I have been so tired of having to leave the country and leaving my family with unnecassary expense, that I am now happy to settle here for the time being and keep my young family financially and socially. That's the purpose of having a residency, is it not. But if you you want to travel backwards and forth on business or social reasons, then perhaps residency is not for you. The business should work out fine.

Bels
17-05-2008, 17:23
I understand, but there are emergencies that you need to travel for and if this is going to be hard then its something to think about.

Very true, I can only hope this reassurance from the FMS is correct, and it will be quick and easy to get this exit document.

As I stated I'm so tired of having to leave the country, when I wasn't ready to do so , that I want to stay here awhile longer now.

But I would like to hear from those who did get the exit document. Was it quick and easy, as we all hope and expect ??

rumson
17-06-2008, 14:14
In our office, people have received their exit visas in as little as 24 hours but usually 48. We have found that pleading does not help. It depends on their mood. One thing that does work is to have the Russian partner do the talking...some chocolate on the right desk has been known to help. Just like at the passport office!

OT, one problem with brides is that they are so non-transparent. My Russian partner spent hours trying to find out the 'right' type of bribe to give the passport office! She was finally told to take three boxes of good chocolate and leave them around. It worked...