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SalTheReturn
20-04-2008, 01:10
trying to figure out prices

pls discuss

pjw
26-04-2008, 01:40
I cant compare the capitals you mentioned, as Ive only been to one, but Id be definitely interested in seeing them all at some stage. Fascinating and so extremely diverse, each one different from the next, unique, beautiful in its own way........ Heres some info I dug up on the net, but its only a very brief intro, a start...........

Astana, Kazakhstan Kazakhstan News, kazakhstan map, links (http://www.eurasianet.org/resource/kazakhstan/index.shtml)
Tiraspol, Transnistria (unofficial) Transnistria - Basic facts on Europe-east.com: The complete Eastern Europe guide (http://www.europe-east.com/transnistria/)
Country facts | Pridnestrovie.net - Tiraspol, PMR: Pridnestrovskaia Moldavskaia Respublica (Transnistria) (http://pridnestrovie.net/facts.html)
Minsk, Belarus Belarus - Basic facts on Europe-east.com: The complete Eastern Europe guide (http://www.europe-east.com/belarus/)
Tashkent, Uzbekistan Uzbekistan News, uzbekistan map, links (http://www.eurasianet.org/resource/uzbekistan/index.shtml)
Ashgabat, Turkmenistan Turkmenistan News, turkmenistan map, links (http://www.eurasianet.org/resource/turkmenistan/index.shtml)
Duschanbe, Tadzikistan Tajikistan News, tajikistan map, links (http://www.eurasianet.org/resource/tajikistan/index.shtml)
Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan Kyrgyzstan News, kyrgyzstan map, links (http://www.eurasianet.org/resource/kyrgyzstan/index.shtml)
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Going from this list it seems the most expensive countries are Kazakhstan and Belarus, whether considering GDP or IMF or whatever. Then comes Turkmenistan and then come Moldova, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tadzikistan, followed by Transnistria. But behind all these is Nepal, for example, a really nice place to travel. So the list I made sucks in reality.

Maybe someone else can shed some light on comparative prices. Although I must say for me in any city, its not how expensive the actual city is, but rather how much moola I got on me at the time or who Im with, meaning I could be eating Moscow blini or London chips or German bread roll and not seeing a great difference in food prices between the cities. What I mean to say is lists and comparisons are basically useless to me, except to see the pretty flags etc. I just generally spend as much as I can afford. Maybe what would be useful is to see how much a big mac or coke costs in each city, but I hate mcdonalds. Probably they got no Tiraspol maccies, so for me that scores bonus points :11629:

Zhenulka
26-04-2008, 19:15
I think they are all a good bargain compared to Moscow!!! Here, every day dispels the illusion of a substantial salary increase. No matter by how much it is increased, it all gets eaten up by inflation. :focus: High time go to the dacha and start growing my own vegetables and breed pigs. :neiner: yep, but I am highjacking as usual...that bad habit of mine :(

Albertina
26-04-2008, 22:40
Almaty is the most expensive from the list. it's no 30 by the cost of living in the world, according to one of the researches.

Transparent Theatre
27-04-2008, 00:13
There are multiple mistakes in this poll. Almaty isn't the capital of Kazakhstan - it should be Astana. "Chisinau" is spelled wrongly.

Also, some countries are missing:

ARMENIA - capital: Erevan
AZERBAIJAN - capital: Baku
GEORGIA* - capital: Tbilisi
TAJIKISTAN - capital: Dushanbe

* Georgia is a CIS member but does not sit on the Council of Defence Ministers

TURKMENISTAN is no longer a member of the CIS - it withdrew voluntarily in 2005, and is currently an Associate Member only (with rights to observe processes and debates, but not participate or vote).

SalTheReturn
27-04-2008, 03:48
There are multiple mistakes in this poll. Almaty isn't the capital of Kazakhstan - it should be Astana. "Chisinau" is spelled wrongly.

Also, some countries are missing:

ARMENIA - capital: Erevan
AZERBAIJAN - capital: Baku
GEORGIA* - capital: Tbilisi
TAJIKISTAN - capital: Dushanbe

* Georgia is a CIS member but does not sit on the Council of Defence Ministers

TURKMENISTAN is no longer a member of the CIS - it withdrew voluntarily in 2005, and is currently an Associate Member only (with rights to observe processes and debates, but not participate or vote).

thanks for the infos on Georgia

the rest is your usual BS in fact I did not need to include them in the poll

Chinisau is the italian spelling, live with that

pjw
27-04-2008, 03:51
.....multiple mistakes in this poll. Almaty isn't the capital..... "Chisinau" is spelled wrongly. Also, some countries are missing....Yeah, well I guess that is what drew me here too in the first place to this thread. Alma-Ata or Astana? Clever of Sal. And I gotta say, in defence of Sal, its not all CIS capitals, just the ones he is thinking of visiting. Otherwise, we would have had Kyiv in there too? Or Im probably wrong. Anyway wanted to say, a cool thread idea and lets get some more feedback as to which cities are still a bargain. Maybe we go together Sal?

BTW, Im in Italy at the end of May. In Bari, but its too far from Florence Sal. So youre safe! Really looking forward to Bari. Tell you more later. Dont wanna hijack thread :rasta:

SalTheReturn
27-04-2008, 04:03
TT was just pretentious

why da hell should i put all CIS capitals when some of them are almost as expensive as western europe?

i am trying to figure which one is the most god forsaken

Transparent Theatre
27-04-2008, 06:16
Chinisau is the italian spelling, live with tha

Wrong, "Chinisau" is illiterate nonsense. If you include a place in the poll, then learn to spell it correctly?? Perhaps you can show us the webpage of the Moldovan Consulate in Italy, where they have spelled their capital city your way, Salvatore?? But frankly I doubt you can.

You don't even know the meaning of the word "pretentious".


i am trying to figure which one is the most god forsaken

Then maybe you need to look at Dushanbe, which you refuse to include in this incomplete "poll"???

But as usual, you are not interested in answers. You are just interested in a flame-war and a pack of personal insults.

SalTheReturn
27-04-2008, 12:38
you r right the italian spelling say Chisinau.:11030:

pjw
27-04-2008, 12:56
We 3 seem to be interested. Thats crystal. So..... why dont we go together? A forum trip sponsored by Expat.ru. We can post heaps of photos, taste beer from large regional or small local breweries or Stella etc etc all on forum money. I propose we start in Molvania as it seems like a good compromise between north, south, east and west before simultaneously moving randomly and aimlessly further in all directions. Interested? PM me :10518:

Listen guys, the threads totally cool. I spent alot of time thinking about these places, but what I cant believe is there is not one person on forum who can give us the lowdown on any of the various towns we mentioned. Surely someone has been there? :eh:

Transparent Theatre
27-04-2008, 13:53
I've been to Kiev, Tashkent, Almaty, Tbilisi & Bishkek in the last 2-3 years (of the places listed). I haven't been to Chisinau since before the end of the USSR (when it was still called Kishinev), so this is ancient history and not relevant to today - same also for Dushanbe and Erevan. I've never been to Ashgabat, because of the extreme difficulty of getting a visa to Turkmenistan during the regime of the late President Nyazov.

Dushanbe is probably the "cheapest" of all of them, but the security situation there remains very unstable - many foreign Governments suggest avoiding travel there if possible.

SalTheReturn
27-04-2008, 15:08
I doubt TT would be willing to have me as a travel companion. Pity him, coz he would discover what a genuine laid back cool guy I actually am:-)))

SalTheReturn
27-04-2008, 15:11
TT, why not Tiraspol yet?

Chisinau, I will soon issue a report. I should be there in 2/3 weeks time.

What makes me feel god about Chisinau it is that all people who visited told me that Moldovans are really friendly individuals.

What makes me sick now it is to understand how these people in Transdniestr live and make ends meet. Some people tell me it is dangerous going there, some others (the majority) tell me it is fine.

Transparent Theatre
27-04-2008, 16:40
I have to say that Tiraspol interests me, and I have friends who have been there. I think if you are ethnically Russian (and you look like it, and speak without any hint of a foreign accent) you will be ok there. They are understandably nervous about their economic and political situation. There are basic rights (such as education in your own language) which rapidly cause people to despair if they seem at risk. And unfortunately there is always a group of people ready to cash-in on the desperate :( I'd like to go to Tiraspol, it's only fate that has not taken me there (yet).

So I'm keen to hear your reports after you visited, Sal :) Moldovans are very nice and friendly people, but if I understood the situation correctly Trans-Dnistr is a split-away Russian enclave, and the people there claim ethnic Russian roots, and are not Moldovans as an ethnic majority? Moldovans are closer to Romanians linguistically, I think (Romanians tell me this).

SalTheReturn
27-04-2008, 17:46
I have to say that Tiraspol interests me, and I have friends who have been there. I think if you are ethnically Russian (and you look like it, and speak without any hint of a foreign accent) you will be ok there. They are understandably nervous about their economic and political situation. There are basic rights (such as education in your own language) which rapidly cause people to despair if they seem at risk. And unfortunately there is always a group of people ready to cash-in on the desperate :( I'd like to go to Tiraspol, it's only fate that has not taken me there (yet).

So I'm keen to hear your reports after you visited, Sal :) Moldovans are very nice and friendly people, but if I understood the situation correctly Trans-Dnistr is a split-away Russian enclave, and the people there claim ethnic Russian roots, and are not Moldovans as an ethnic majority? Moldovans are closer to Romanians linguistically, I think (Romanians tell me this).

Thars all correct, it is a russian enclave probably the most powerful: Krimea should be a joke compared to that.

Have you seen the docs on Trans-Dniestr (which one is the correct spelling) on youtube?

friejose
24-07-2009, 08:45
Dushanbe is probably the "cheapest" of all of them, but the security situation there remains very unstable - many foreign Governments suggest avoiding travel there if possible.
This was certainly true during and immediately after the civil war in the 90's, and I can't vouch for how things were when this post was made last year, but things in Dushanbe are perfectly safe now. You can even fly AirBaltic in comfort to Tajikistan's capital as of June 1.

There are some issues in outlying regions, especially in the Rasht Valley, but that is all substantially to the east of Dushanbe, and the city itself has no security problems (other than the petty crime stuff you'd see in any city, and I haven't even see any of that, but I thought I'd add the caveat anyway).

It's is also quite cheap, with that I am in full agreement.

Kurtman
19-08-2009, 15:31
I was in Tashkent some years back. Uzbekistan was super cheap, I speak Russian so instead of chenging money at the "official places" I exchanged it with the "currency exchangeers" in my hotel. I know this can be risky but in this case it worked out well.

I have been to some very low cost countiries like Mexico and Indonesia but it seemed to me that Uzbekistan was the cheapest. I've been to Bishkek and Moldovia as well, both very inexpensive but I believe Tashkent was even cheaper.

pjw
16-09-2009, 01:17
I've been to Bishkek and Moldovia as well, both very inexpensive but I believe Tashkent was even cheaper.Hi Kurtman :coffee:

When exactly were u there in Moldova, Tashkent and Bishkek? Which city did u feel best in? I know it's personal taste, but it's interesting to hear points of view and I'm very much interested in these places, would be very keen on visiting at some stage and appreciate any first hand impressions. Sounds like you had a good time. Some info please. :10518:

tasha3004
16-09-2009, 20:45
I thought Georgia has withdrawn their membership from CIS... No??? Or was it just planned for the nearest future?

tasha3004
16-09-2009, 20:52
Tashkent is not that cheap any longer... I visit Tashkent 3-4 times a year....
High quality restaurant food would be a bit cheaper then Moscow but not as cheap as you would expect. Accommodation is cheap, both hotels and renting an apartment. Markets (fruits, vegetables, meat) is relatively cheap. So generally speaking it is not as cheap as it was 2-3 years ago.

tasha3004
16-09-2009, 20:56
Hi Kurtman :coffee:

When exactly were u there in Moldova, Tashkent and Bishkek? Which city did u feel best in? I know it's personal taste, but it's interesting to hear points of view and I'm very much interested in these places, would be very keen on visiting at some stage and appreciate any first hand impressions. Sounds like you had a good time. Some info please. :10518:

I haven't been to Moldova but out of three cities mentioned I like Tashkent the best :) it is green, clean, big and pretty much well organised... if you are specifically interested in something about Tashkent let me know and I might be able to give you some advises :)
by the way I am going to Tashkent first week of October :)

pjw
17-09-2009, 00:48
I haven't been to Moldova but out of three cities mentioned I like Tashkent the best :) it is green, clean, big and pretty much well organised... if you are specifically interested in something about Tashkent let me know and I might be able to give you some advises :) ....by the way I am going to Tashkent first week of October :)Enjoy your trip tasha. It's in a couple of weeks, that's not long. Finished packing yet? Are u staying long this time around? Staying with family and friends I guess or? Sounds like you've been down there a few times and enjoy it. Cool. I'd really like to take in all the stans at one stage, perhaps better after I learn a bit of Russian, don't u think? My ideal trip would be Machachkala, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tadjikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakstan and back to Moscow. I'd need 2 months to get at least a week per country. Apart from the capitals, Baku, Yerevan, Teheran, Isfahan, Aschabad, Tashkent, Dushanbe, Bishkek, Alma-Ata & Astana, what are the other unmissable treats?:10518:

Bels
19-09-2009, 21:38
LOL! :) Welcome back back Salthe return. :) As it looks like you will always belong here :)

Or has somebody accidentily brought back our archives :) 99% of his post were explosive and good for expat.ru don't you think :) And we do need to keep expat.ru to it's proper personality? Don't you think?

tasha3004
26-09-2009, 11:59
Enjoy your trip tasha. It's in a couple of weeks, that's not long. Finished packing yet? Are u staying long this time around? Staying with family and friends I guess or? Sounds like you've been down there a few times and enjoy it. Cool. I'd really like to take in all the stans at one stage, perhaps better after I learn a bit of Russian, don't u think? My ideal trip would be Machachkala, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tadjikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakstan and back to Moscow. I'd need 2 months to get at least a week per country. Apart from the capitals, Baku, Yerevan, Teheran, Isfahan, Aschabad, Tashkent, Dushanbe, Bishkek, Alma-Ata & Astana, what are the other unmissable treats?:10518:

thanks, pjw, indeed my travel to Tashkent is quite soon already.... I am usually travelling light, so I haven't started packing yet :) I am staying for one week this time, it should be still warm :) I am going to Tashkent for friends' wedding and to see some of other friends around. Russian would really help you to travel around of course :). Caucasus is really of my interest as well as well as Persian land as I like history very much. 2 months would be min that you would need to make such a great trip enjoyable :) you should bear in mind weather as well - the best would be early spring probably or early autumn... I lived in Almaty for 6 months and didn't like it there.... Astana is ultra modern city in the middle of nowhere actually... but interesting to visit though... Tadjikistan has got some other small places to offer you all beauty of the nature.... again spring is the best time... Uzbekistan has got Samarkand which is around 3000 years old, Bukhara and Khiva to offer an excitement of history....
I've got some photos of Samarkand on my yandex page....
if you are interested :)
Natalya-F3004 — альбом «Голубые купола Самарканда» на Яндекс.Фотках (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/natalya-f3004/album/72700/)

pjw
26-09-2009, 12:08
Oh thanks so much for the photos Tasha. :sunny:

Super. That place looks awesome. I don't want to compare it, but it looks very similar to Iran, in my opinion. I'll definitely go there sometime. So enjoy your trip. Thanks for your advice. Yes I'm sure summer is pretty warm. Oh I'd love to go to these places. It'll happen, yeah for sure, but I must be patient, in a few years when I learn more Russian.:mml::mml:

tasha3004
26-09-2009, 17:47
Oh thanks so much for the photos Tasha. :sunny:

Super. That place looks awesome. I don't want to compare it, but it looks very similar to Iran, in my opinion. I'll definitely go there sometime. So enjoy your trip. Thanks for your advice. Yes I'm sure summer is pretty warm. Oh I'd love to go to these places. It'll happen, yeah for sure, but I must be patient, in a few years when I learn more Russian.:mml::mml:

your comparison is absolutely right actually....
Samarkand is the center, capital of Tamerlane the great who was ruling the most of Asia, Caucasus and Persia of course and this is the reason why it looks very similar to Iran :) Tamerlane was bringing the best of different countries to Samarkand...
summer is too warm I would say :) you would not want to travel around this place under 40-45 C in the shadow :)

Adieu
29-09-2009, 05:49
Half-Californian that I am, I cannot seem to escape being born a Muscovite. Anything smaller than Kiev just doesn't feel like a capital to me!

Kiev, though, is DIVINE... And, imho, perhaps the best balance of price, culture, civilization, and urban-ness.

I just cannot force myself to compare Kiev or Moscow to places with goatherds in the streets. Cheap? Maybe. A true Capital? Maybe Minsk, but not the rest...

tasha3004
29-09-2009, 07:13
Half-Californian that I am, I cannot seem to escape being born a Muscovite. Anything smaller than Kiev just doesn't feel like a capital to me!

Kiev, though, is DIVINE... And, imho, perhaps the best balance of price, culture, civilization, and urban-ness.

I just cannot force myself to compare Kiev or Moscow to places with goatherds in the streets. Cheap? Maybe. A true Capital? Maybe Minsk, but not the rest...

You don't have to compare Kiev and Moscow to anything else... Any capital city has got the right to be called a CAPITAL no matter how big or cheap or something else the city is.... Every city has got its history and culture and civilization... it all depends what you mean by a true Capital.... I thought Minks is smaller then Kiev, no???
I am half Ukrainian myself and I love Kiev!!!!!!!! At the same time I love Tashkent, I like Moscow, I love Barcelona, I love Paris.... and other cities too.....

pjw
30-09-2009, 00:16
Half-Californian that I am, I cannot seem to escape being born a Muscovite. Anything smaller than Kiev just doesn't feel like a capital to me!

Kiev, though, is DIVINE... And, imho, perhaps the best balance of price, culture, civilization, and urban-ness.

I just cannot force myself to compare Kiev or Moscow to places with goatherds in the streets. Cheap? Maybe. A true Capital? Maybe Minsk, but not the rest...The capital city of California, Sacramento, is

considered by many as one of the dullest towns in North America. But nobody cares, they just don't go to Sacramento. The tourist trail circles round it, not thru it. Other places in the world have considerably greater pulling power but it's all just so subjective Adieu. Seems u feel these CIS capitals are of less worth compared to Moscow or Kiev based on the principle that size defines a city. Ok it's your opinion and my unsolicited advice for u is to stay away because I honestly don't think you'd enjoy visiting these beautiful cities at all.