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SalTheReturn
30-03-2008, 00:27
why Moscow has oligarchs and minigarchs but yet does not have people moving by helicopter around the city?

would not this be the best way to show off your richness?

why in other rich cities like SaoPaulo and CapeTown, you have those rich moving by helicopters and building are equipped with landing spaces?

PLEASE NOW POST YOUR QUESTION:

What do not you understand about Moscow?

Regards

Sal

Bels
30-03-2008, 00:39
I do believe they do use they do use the helicopter Sal, you will see example often. I'm sure Putin uses helicopter often. And from where I live you see helicopters often. But where are all the little cruiser boats in the Moscow river, that river always seems so emty and inactive, even in the Summer, and do they have any fish there??


why Moscow has oligarchs and minigarchs but yet does not have people moving by helicopter around the city?

would not this be the best way to show off your richness?

why in other rich cities like SaoPaulo and CapeTown, you have those rich moving by helicopters and building are equipped with landing spaces?

PLEASE NOW POST YOUR QUESTION:

What do not you understand about Moscow?

Regards

Sal

jumatre
30-03-2008, 01:01
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I do believe they do use they do use the helicopter Sal, you will see example often. I'm sure Putin uses helicopter often. And from where I live you see helicopters often. But where are all the little cruiser boats in the Moscow river, that river always seems so emty and inactive, even in the Summer, and do they have any fish there??

And in case that there should be any fishes... Does under the fish society also exist some kind of oli- and minigarch society? How do Oligarch fishes behave? do they have several (fish-) wives? do they visit (fish-) stripclubs?
Do they have special (mineral) water as don pellegrino?:11721::11721:

Bels
30-03-2008, 01:21
My point is if there is any life in the Moscow riveri in comparison to let's say the Thames, where are the fish. the dolphins and even whales which have been seen in the Thames for example. I can't see any life or even activity or interesting boats in this river of Moscow.In fact I don't see anything. Not even sea-gulls. Is it the Dead river of Moscow ??

SalTheReturn
30-03-2008, 03:04
I love this thread and do love Bels question. Hat off my friend.

Now have been along the river just a few time but you are right seems pretty dead.

Have you ever take the cruise in Moscow? Sucks!!!

Doing it in Prague or London will offer you very beautiful lookouts but in Moscow it is definetely the worst tourist attraction ever.

Bels, Putin may fly, what I do not understand it is why the average minigarchs still get stuck in the traffic rather than flying over the ordinary people and showing off his/her richness.

Did not understand pretty much the question about fishes/women

Russians you have a great job to do in here, REPLY US!!!

To be honest I miss Guest, since he got banned and then re-invited he does not enlighten us, foreigners, with his Moscow's knowledge. He did not even tell me whats that thing of bride kidnapping in Checnya:-(((

jumatre
30-03-2008, 03:37
Sal: the river is as dirty as those in italy, specially in the north... the traffic in moscow is maybe a little bit more crowded then in firenze, but many (not all, of course) people choosed to live here and like it.... the oligarchs (human, fishes or birds) like it... the minigarchs (human, fishes or birds) like it less.
what about you? what you dont like about firenze?
ask your mother what she did not like in abissinia, sicily, campania or whereever she comes from... she may find some reasons, as well as other people may find differences about moscow or firenze... we like it, we hate it, we find things to improve...
we are humans and should be proud of our ability to adapt ourselves to foreign or strange situations...
I love russia and love to have an unadapted, bitter person asking for so many things about his garden eden (moscow) which he knows will be never be able to reach again.

Judge
30-03-2008, 11:26
Helicopters are not needed for now,the rich have a blue light on their cars and fly like helicopters around Moscow streets.

Willy
30-03-2008, 12:34
There is a ban on flying over Moscow, Only Putin can do it.

Judge
30-03-2008, 12:42
There is a ban on flying over Moscow, Only Putin can do it.

But not for light aircrafts :nut::nut:

Bels
30-03-2008, 12:48
I love this thread and do love Bels question. Hat off my friend.

Now have been along the river just a few time but you are right seems pretty dead.

Have you ever take the cruise in Moscow? Sucks!!!

Doing it in Prague or London will offer you very beautiful lookouts but in Moscow it is definetely the worst tourist attraction ever.

Bels, Putin may fly, what I do not understand it is why the average minigarchs still get stuck in the traffic rather than flying over the ordinary people and showing off his/her richness.

Did not understand pretty much the question about fishes/women

Russians you have a great job to do in here, REPLY US!!!

To be honest I miss Guest, since he got banned and then re-invited he does not enlighten us, foreigners, with his Moscow's knowledge. He did not even tell me whats that thing of bride kidnapping in Checnya:-(((

In answer to the boldened above; sorry sal a a serious miss-type in my post.
It's no wonder you didn't understand about the fishes and err! women??

I've edited that particular post for you. I hope it's clearer now.

Bels edited post:
My point is if there is any life in the Moscow riveri in comparison to let's say the Thames, where are the fish? the dolphins? and even whales which have been seen in the Thames for example.

I can't see any life or even activity of interesting boats in this river of Moscow.In fact I don't see anything. Not even sea-gulls. Is it the Dead river of Moscow ??
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Bels
30-03-2008, 13:05
But not for light aircrafts :nut::nut:

Where I live I see light aircraft and helicopters often, the light aircraft are obviously for fun, and my guess is that the helicopters are for the police.

Judge
30-03-2008, 13:12
Where I live I see light aircraft and helicopters often, the light aircraft are obviously for fun, and my guess is that the helicopters are for the police.

The German who landed his light aircraft on the Red SQ was also doing it for fun.:trampoline::trampoline:

SalTheReturn
30-03-2008, 14:31
Sal: the river is as dirty as those in italy, specially in the north... the traffic in moscow is maybe a little bit more crowded then in firenze, but many (not all, of course) people choosed to live here and like it.... the oligarchs (human, fishes or birds) like it... the minigarchs (human, fishes or birds) like it less.
what about you? what you dont like about firenze?
ask your mother what she did not like in abissinia, sicily, campania or whereever she comes from... she may find some reasons, as well as other people may find differences about moscow or firenze... we like it, we hate it, we find things to improve...
we are humans and should be proud of our ability to adapt ourselves to foreign or strange situations...
I love russia and love to have an unadapted, bitter person asking for so many things about his garden eden (moscow) which he knows will be never be able to reach again.

I still wonder why you are let around

it is true: you read what we wanna read.

my thread did not mean to be offensive or denigratory towards Russia or Russians

please do apologize now and admit your mistake

TransparentT, you were thanking a loser because all her/his words are a projection. You read malvagity where there is no malvagity.

SalTheReturn
30-03-2008, 14:33
There is a ban on flying over Moscow, Only Putin can do it.

So what does Bels see flying? Are they aliens? or is it a projectiong of his childhood dream? LOL LOL

Pls discuss

SalTheReturn
30-03-2008, 14:34
In answer to the boldened above; sorry sal a a serious miss-type in my post.
It's no wonder you didn't understand about the fishes and err! women??

I've edited that particular post for you. I hope it's clearer now.

Bels edited post:
My point is if there is any life in the Moscow riveri in comparison to let's say the Thames, where are the fish? the dolphins? and even whales which have been seen in the Thames for example.

I can't see any life or even activity of interesting boats in this river of Moscow.In fact I don't see anything. Not even sea-gulls. Is it the Dead river of Moscow ??
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Ok Bels, I give up trying to understand you.

whatever...:11721:

Bels
30-03-2008, 14:36
I think it was my fault :) No offense meant, just an observation that I see nobody fishing there, or people enjoying their liesure there.

SalTheReturn
30-03-2008, 14:38
I think it was my fault :) No offense meant, just an observation that I see nobody fishing there, or people enjoying their liesure there.

are the fish in the Thames eatable?

and actually i have seen people fishing in moscow (or was it in Prague?) but doubts the eat tehm

Bels
30-03-2008, 14:38
However, 25km west along the river, they do enjoy their swimming, fishing, and even some boating.

Bels
30-03-2008, 14:46
are the fish in the Thames eatable?

and actually i have seen people fishing in moscow (or was it in Prague?) but doubts the eat tehm

Indeed they are, there was a very good telivision showing how they cleaned up the thames sith a special sewerage plant. It showed sewerage on one end and the other end where the same water was cleaned and someone drinking it.

I have seen where they have advertised where tourists can take a tour around this magnificent sewerage plant which cleaned the River Thames, so that even dolphins are happy there.

Bels
30-03-2008, 16:01
So what does Bels see flying? Are they aliens? or is it a projectiong of his childhood dream? LOL LOL

Pls discuss

Perhaps they're kites, hang-gliders, and remote control controlled planes. Lets not forget I live 25 km west of Moscow.

Willy
30-03-2008, 16:39
So what does Bels see flying? Are they aliens? or is it a projectiong of his childhood dream? LOL LOL

Pls discuss


Hey meatball, Bels doesn't live in Moscow but out in the burbs.


Since 2001 they banned flying over the city and before I think you had to have permission. There aren't many people here who have private planes. It's just starting to catch on.

And don't get saucey with me meatball!

SalTheReturn
30-03-2008, 16:49
Hey meatball, Bels doesn't live in Moscow but out in the burbs.


Since 2001 they banned flying over the city and before I think you had to have permission. There aren't many people here who have private planes. It's just starting to catch on.

And don't get saucey with me meatball!

is "meatball" an insult? if yes pls let me know so that i can report you

i was not talking about private planes but helicopters that can be easily hired as if they were taxis

it happens in sao paulo a lot, rich would go to the luxury shopping malls landing at the appointed space

moscow has clinic where a 1 consultation cost 250000py and does not have helicopters...how weird is that?

anyway you are right, if they do not have it means it is a question of safety. with terrorism around the corner it is a comprehnsible choice

Bels
30-03-2008, 17:34
Wildlife on the Thames
Yes Iit's even had a bottle nosed whale in the city Thames.

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Swan Upping - skiffs surround the swans

Fishing at Penton Hook Island

Various species of bird feed off the river or nest on it, some being found both at sea and inland. These include Cormorant, Black-headed Gull, and Herring Gull. The Swan is a familiar sight on the river but the Black Swan is more rare. The annual ceremony of Swan upping is an old tradition of counting stocks. Geese that can be seen include Canada Geese, Egyptian Geese, and Bar-headed Geese, and familiar ducks include the Mallard, Mandarin Duck, and Wood Duck. Other water birds to be found on the Thames include the Great Crested Grebe, Coot, Moorhen, Heron, and Kingfisher. In addition there are many types of British birds that live alongside the river, although they are not specific to the river habitat.

The Thames contains both seawater and freshwater, thus providing support for seawater and freshwater fish. The salmon, which inhabits both environments has been reintroduced, and succession of fish ladders built into weirs to allow them to travel upstream. The eel is a particularly associated with the Thames and there were formerly many eel traps designed to catch them. Some of the freshwater fish to be found in the Thames and its tributaries include brown trout, chub, dace, roach, barbel, perch, pike, bleak, and flounder.

In addition the Thames is host to some invasive crustaceans including Signal crayfish and Chinese Mitten Crab.

On January 20, 2006, a northern 16-18 ft (5 m) bottle-nosed whale was spotted in the Thames and was seen as far upstream as Chelsea. This is extremely unusual because this type of whale is generally found in deep sea waters. Crowds gathered along the riverbanks to witness the extraordinary spectacle. But it soon became clear there was cause for concern, as the animal came within yards of the banks, almost beaching, and crashed into an empty boat causing slight bleeding. Approx. 12 hours later, the whale was believed to be seen again near Greenwich, possibly heading back to sea. There was a rescue attempt lasting several hours, but it eventually died on a barge. See River Thames whale.[5]

Bels
30-03-2008, 17:40
The Thames, remarkably clean


The Thames cleans up its act Emma Griffiths
BBC News Online, London

From BBC NEWS | England | London | The Thames cleans up its act (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3499984.stm)


While a piranha was being fished out of the Thames in east London last month, another non-native was basking on the river's shores.

Looking out of the office window, staff at Fothergill & Co were not shocked to see a seal's head bobbing in the water, oblivious to the passing traffic near Richmond Bridge.

Structural engineer Richard Philips, who caught the Richmond seal on film, said it indicated the change he has seen in the Thames over the past 30 years.

"Occasionally after you have heavy rain, some less than pleasant stuff gets washed in," he said.

"There's a bit of flotsam and jetsam on the surface, but apart from that it's remarkable.

"I have been rowing since the mid-70s and back then there were times when you would go and be ploughing through oil slicks - none of that is there now."

But he appears to be in the minority. Those monitoring the river find that while it is well-regarded internationally - its success comes as a surprise closer to home.

"[The Thames] is actually an environmental success story but it's not well known in this country," said Steve Colclough, a fisheries specialist at the Environment Agency

"People see a few bits of floating plastic which are unsightly and they assume it's pollution.

Among world's cleanest

"We have had a recovery but the public does not realise it."

To the untrained eye it might appear to be a moving mud bath, but the water has improved enough to sustain 121 species of fish.

In 1960, a 20-year project began to extend London's major sewage treatment works and improve river quality. Now the Thames is one of the cleanest metropolitan estuaries in the world.

It is a sea change from 1957, when the Natural History Museum declared it "biologically dead" or incapable of supporting life.

Now teeming with life - including large nurseries of Dover Sole, Sea B**** oysters, cockle fisheries and some salmon - it reportedly supports the most diverse ecosystem of all Europe's metropolitan estuaries.

From the estuarine prawn at Battersea, the perch in Putney eastwards to Woolwich's thick-lipped mullet and the five-bearded rockling at Erith, the river is crawling with creatures.

Seals have been spotted as far up as Waterloo Bridge while dolphins and porpoises surface in the late summer and autumn.

And the burrowing Chinese Mitten Crab, which runs "like a spider" across the river bed, has been wreaking havoc on the banks of the Thames for some time.

"We often get calls from people in Lewisham or somewhere else saying: 'Am I seeing things? There's a dead crab in the river'," said Mr Colclough.
We often get calls from people in Lewisham saying: 'Am I seeing things? There's a crab in the river
Steve Colclough, Environment Agency


Last year the Drinking Water Inspectorate informed us London had among the best quality tap water, largely drawn from the Thames, in the country.

And Coca Cola obviously agrees - it purifies tap water from Sidcup, just down the road from Peckham, for its new Dasani drink.

But for those who just cannot shake the image of a murky Thames seeping through Westminster, Mr Philips suggests walking along just that bit further.

"People look at the river and what they see is mud.

"But the colour is dictated by the silt suspended in the water.

"At the top and bottom of the tide the silt does settle for a short period and then it's quite clear. The river is remarkably clean."
Story from BBC NEWS:

eyecandy
31-03-2008, 00:33
But where are all the little cruiser boats in the Moscow river, that river always seems so emty and inactive, even in the Summer, and do they have any fish there??

We do have fish in the Moscow River. There are lots of wild ducks – they should eat something… They prefer fish as I remember.
Wanna see people fishing? Go to Serebryany Bor – they gather there. :)
Seagulls: I guess they were seen badly as you were 25 km from Moscow :trampoline: