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Colloc
25-12-2018, 00:19
My partner has recently bought an apartment.
It needs a lot of work on the bathrooms and kitchen.
I am quite happy do undertake this work but have a few questions.
Would it be cheaper to buy all the necessary tools and flat packed kitchen units and bathroom equipment in the UK and take a long road trip?
I haven't really spent much time looking in the shops so i'm not aware of the prices or quality available
Just to avoid confusion, I work in Norway but live in Scotland UK
Thanks in advance

Benedikt
25-12-2018, 07:14
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

for the - furniture- you just have to make a price comparison, is it something special you just want and can get nowhere else. or is it just plain standard furniture and fixtures. I think a bathtub or jacuzzi will NOT be worthwhile to schlepp all over the place. as for tools i think it is not worth to buy anything. just think of the tool to cut tiles, thick heavy tiles that is ( we had done a new refurbishing of our whole place last summer) that machine costs 1000s of $$ and will be used by you once. and what than? sell it on the 2nd hand market? rent it out all the time? better get quotations from good local work groups who will do everything. get groups that have a painter,plumber, electrician and brick-tile layer all in one. make sure all these guys are legal. electricity and water can cost later heavy if you might have an accident and it is found out the people did a shoddy job.or were not allowed to do it. and if there is GAS involved, get only people the local utility company recommends. buy only top class utensils, fixtures and the likes. not bashing anyone, but no cheap made in China lookalikes that will burst on high water pressure or work -guarantee and one day- and than give up. and most important, -let the fingers do the walking-. Internet has these days more or less anything you need. do or will you have pets? cats, dogs? no wallpaper for you? but petproof tiles or panels? it is all available. and will last for years
electricity-we have french made circuit breakers, the utility guy who does a check once in a while said, these were the best he had ever seen.in the distribution box, we have ONE for each room, subdivided for sockets and lights. so if the breaker might trip for the hot plate in the kitchen, there is still light. and in the other rooms all is working.
water- we have a pipe for each outlet.i.e, one for the kitchen sink, the sink in the bathroom, the bath. the boiler for hot water. and cut off. ( in summer we have every year hot water cut off for -repairs- to the utilities. so we have since years an additional boiler)
lights- electricity saving light bulbs? are they worth the high cost? LED has to cold white light, I do not like them in the kitchen. spent long hours there, not only cooking...
take photos of everything. special - before- and - afterward. of every cable, wire, waterpipe of cable duct. it did help the US a lot when contractors did a shoddy job 10 floors above us and flooded the whole building. because the people below us blamed us (foreigners live there, we will get lots of money from them....)
need more specific info, pm me. I also can send pics. though only on pm.

Hans.KK
25-12-2018, 08:00
My partner has recently bought an apartment.New, or used apartment?


Would it be cheaper to buy all the necessary tools and flat packed kitchen units and bathroom equipment in the UK and take a long road trip?No, but you have to know what tools you need and how to use them, many tools are "home use" tools, they are not for professional use, that is do not expect a duty cycle of more than 10-20%, ten minutes usage and then an hour of rest to the poor thing, most warranty claims are refused with "you had used the tool in a professional way, sorry, no warranty in this case".
Some people buy new tools, renovate an apartment, when the work is done they sell the tools, some sell to a acceptable price, others sells to a price much more than they had payed, so watch out if you go for used tools, I had made a few good deals and a few failures on that account, some people abuse their tools.
Many parts you may need for renovation that you are used to have in your home country may not be on hand here in Russia, they have other things to get then job done, but not necessarily the right way from your standard, bathrooms is one of the pitfalls here, waterproofing is not up to the standard you may find in other country's.
When it comes to electricity then stay away from aluminium cabling, that is remove all old/new aluminium cabling and replace with copper cabling.


I haven't really spent much time looking in the shops so i'm not aware of the prices or quality availableIf you can live with IKEA's design they have a few stores around, I hate them but some of there stuff are ok quality, but it may be a pain for your eyes.

Uncle Wally
25-12-2018, 11:35
Ben could you show us the tool for cutting tile that cost 1000$$$$. I've done tile work before and cut them by hand. The only power tool you would need for a remont is a drill.

Colloc
25-12-2018, 13:35
Thanks for the replies so far.
Hans it's an old used apartment hence the renovation.
Most people would look away in disgust at the state of the bathroom with wonky poorly fitted tiles and plumbing like I have only ever seen in Russia.
It might be worthwhile just bringing out small hand tools, I have used DeWalt gear for years and know how good it is.
Regarding the kitchen and bathroom units, I will need to do a recce trip to see what's available and then make the call.
Thanks again.

Uncle Wally
25-12-2018, 15:06
You can find everything you need at OBI, or Leroy Merlin.

Hans.KK
25-12-2018, 15:08
Ben could you show us the tool for cutting tile that cost 1000$$$$.Are you on the look for some tools Wally?
https://vseinstrumenti.ru/stanki/plitkorezy/elektricheskie/fubag/stanok_dlya_rezki_plitki_i_kamnya_fubag_a-100km3f/ 157000 Rub.
https://www.exller.ru/catalog/s-plitkorezy-elektricheskie/detail-elektricheskiy-plitkorez-battipav-prime-200-ru9200/ 157000 Rub.
https://diammarket.ru/catalog/plitkorezy_elektricheskie/plitkorez_elektricheskiy_montolit_brooklyn_f1_181/ 264000 Rub.
https://rubi-shop.ru/product/elektroplitkorez-rubi-diamant-ds-250-n-laserlevel-52942/ 200000 Rub.


The only power tool you would need for a remont is a drill.It depend a lot about what you want to do and where, old soviet building, you may get off with a hammer and some glue to keep the things together, but the new concert buildings, you need a pneumatic drilling hammer (more than 5J), or, some old crap of a drill, a lot of drill bits, and a lot of time.
I have both t-shirts and at any time I prefer the new buildings.

Hans.KK
25-12-2018, 15:31
Hans it's an old used apartment hence the renovation.You have to forgive me, it was 8:00 in the morning (still sleeping) in the train, first time ever I manage to connect to the trains Internet, I may have been to excited to pay attention to small details, sorry.

Look closely at the room many times, look behind as much as you can, there may be hidden "treasures" that is not worth the trouble for you, maybe it is better to hire somebody that is used to deal with these "surprises" to do the job.

Benedikt
25-12-2018, 16:01
Ben could you show us the tool for cutting tile that cost 1000$$$$. I've done tile work before and cut them by hand. The only power tool you would need for a remont is a drill.

Wally for our bathroom we had PANELS 2 m x 50 cm x 2 cm thick. that you can not cut by hand and neither make holes with a (normal) power drill

https://ru.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=pic+professional+stand+up+marble+cutter&fr=crmas&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmobileimages.lowes.com%2Fproduct%2Fconverted%2F010306%2F010306610247.jpg#id=-1&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmobileimages.lowes.com%2Fproduct%2Fconverted%2F010306%2F010306610247.jpg&action=click

this the best pics i cound find. but the guy who had the equipment had something much better. it took 2 men to get it from the truck up the stairs into our place. it did not fit into the lift. diamond studded blades to cut the slabs and it needed 380 Volts not 220. ( do now watch or open when kids or mother in law is around. for reasons unknown i also got 4 heavy porno pics on that site)

Hans.KK
25-12-2018, 16:58
do now watch or open when kids or mother in law is around. for reasons unknown i also got 4 heavy porno pics on that siteSome years ago I had a nice old lady at my desk with her PC, it was showing strange pictures at the screen, and it was true, very strange pictures, so she got a new install of windows and she went home, a few weeks later it was faulty again, new install of windows, this went on for some time before I manage to tell her that it maybe a good idea to keep her son and grandchildren away from her PC, at least she could try so just for the experiment, it worked out well, she never returned.
Her husband was an 99% disabled, she was the chairman for a deep religious political party, you know those where certain obvious things in life do not exist, but she was always so nice and friendly, so it was difficult to start the discussion about the real life outside the church with her.

FatAndy
25-12-2018, 17:23
It might be worthwhile just bringing out small hand tools, I have used DeWalt gear for years and know how good it is.

DeWalt, Bosch (green/blue), Makita, Metabo, Hilti are widely available here, in OBI, Leroy Merlin, 220 Volt shops. Besides them, every shop has his own tool brand which is ordered in PRC of course and may have different quality.

Keep in mind, UK power plugs differ from Russian ones (which are de facto EU Schuko), and we have got 2 electrical standards - pre1986 (220V, 2 wires, line+neutral, no ground, thin plug-to-socket contacts) and post1986 (220V, 3 wires, line+neutral+ground, thick plug-to socket contacts).

Almost all post1986 wiring plus ground is copper, as Hans mentioned, and has УЗО in the power distribution box (protective power off switches if power leak registered) and overload switch-off breakers, while pre1986 wiring may be copper or alumilium, or mixed, with overload breakers only.

Ceramic tiles 7-8 mm thick I was cutting by simplest hand tool and steel ruler, drilling by electrical hand drill with pobedit (tungsten carbide + cobalt) alloy end, like these https://www.vseinstrumenti.ru/rashodnie_materialy/instrument/dlya_dreley/udarn/sverla/po_betonu/
Better to soak tiles for 20-40 min in advance, in the room temperature water.

Benedikt
25-12-2018, 17:33
Better to soak tiles for 20-40 min in advance, in the room temperature water.[/QUOTE]

indeed standard ceramic tiles are no problems to cut with - standard -instruments. but try to cut bends and corners and rounds or round holes into a 2 cm marble slab. without breaking it. because of the cost a pretty penny...

Hans.KK
25-12-2018, 17:45
indeed standard ceramic tiles are no problems to cut with - standard -instruments. but try to cut bends and corners and rounds or round holes into a 2 cm marble slab. without breaking it. because of the cost a pretty penny...My newest drill is something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84djBQqk8gU
It can do the job, sets you back some 300000 Rub. when you have got all the nice accessory for it too.

Benedikt
25-12-2018, 21:08
My newest drill is something like this:
It can do the job, sets you back some 300000 Rub. when you have got all the nice accessory for it too.

well, one wants to be able to do a job professionally and well, it needs the tools.

Uncle Wally
25-12-2018, 21:59
Better to soak tiles for 20-40 min in advance, in the room temperature water.

indeed standard ceramic tiles are no problems to cut with - standard -instruments. but try to cut bends and corners and rounds or round holes into a 2 cm marble slab. without breaking it. because of the cost a pretty penny...[/QUOTE]



Marble? Don't tell us you also have a gold plated toilet? Are you related to the Rothchilds?

Hans.KK
25-12-2018, 22:05
well, one wants to be able to do a job professionally and well, it needs the tools."professionally", no, sorry, this is the cheapest Chinese shit tool you can get (They claim it is from Korea, but the factory do not exist in that city in Korea that the seller claims, so ... and we had to repair it before we could start using it, but I have 600-900 big holes that should be done and they are all around 600 mm deep, and this was what I could get money to buy, if professional tool we have to multiply with something around 4, maybe more. The drilling machine and the drill-bits will not be able to do the job fully, the drilling machine needs service for every 100 hours, it will be less than one month of real work including moving from one drilling location to the next, and this they only tell you after you have payed and received the thing, life sucks when you are drilling.

Uncle Wally
25-12-2018, 22:11
As far as drilling goes it depends on which wall you're drilling. Yes supporting walls are cement with rocks, hence the need for a hammer drill. Other walls you can just hammer in a screw.

What I do know is buy lots of spackle!

Uncle Wally
25-12-2018, 22:13
"professionally", no, sorry, this is the cheapest Chinese shit tool you can get (They claim it is from Korea, but the factory do not exist in that city in Korea that the seller claims, so ... and we had to repair it before we could start using it, but I have 600-900 big holes that should be done and they are all around 600 mm deep, and this was what I could get money to buy, if professional tool we have to multiply with something around 4, maybe more. The drilling machine and the drill-bits will not be able to do the job fully, the drilling machine needs service for every 100 hours, it will be less than one month of real work including moving from one drilling location to the next, and this they only tell you after you have payed and received the thing, life sucks when you are drilling.




So it's just like buying a car. You think you paid for it but for the next five years you can only bring it to the dealership and pay $800 for an oil change.

Benedikt
26-12-2018, 05:02
Marble? Don't tell us you also have a gold plated toilet? Are you related to the Rothchilds?[/QUOTE]

no, we do not have. but a contractor did for an -oligarch- in his - dacha- a few toilets.and kitchen tops. And had a few slabs left over. paid for already....so we got them cheap... one just has to know ( or cook for) the right people at the right time.

RooRu
27-12-2018, 11:16
There's a lot of choice here in terms of bathrooms and kitchens, so I don't think you need to bring units/fittings with you. The trick is to check whether they have the items in stock or need to order in, as often the showrooms are just that and they order from Europe once they have a deposit. We've done that before a few times and it's usually fine. Once we didn't get a table we ordered and had to go to small claims court to get our money back. As for tools, again, I think you can find everything you need.

Benedikt
27-12-2018, 11:54
There's a lot of choice here in terms of bathrooms and kitchens, so I don't think you need to bring units/fittings with you. The trick is to check whether they have the items in stock or need to order in, as often the showrooms are just that and they order from Europe once they have a deposit. We've done that before a few times and it's usually fine. Once we didn't get a table we ordered and had to go to small claims court to get our money back. As for tools, again, I think you can find everything you need.

out in the country of course it might be difficult. but in bigger places one can go to OBI, Grant,LeroiMerlin.They have huges displays but also huge stocks.We also learned and NEVER AGAIN buy in places like Kashirka or any other -open- market. Neither will we buy at some -shopping center- where there are hundreds of little shops under one roof.Also a good idea, go to home building, funiture exhibitions and the likes. For them it does not pay to schlepp all the things back to their factories or warehouses. on top of it you can SEE there what the thing looks like. at the end of the exhibition, they pack up everything for you and bring it right to your place. of course within reasons. but definitely for a good price. many things are also made new, for the first time, to test the market. so you might get and exclusive that no one else has. at least for the next 2 to 3 years..
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