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Judge
22-11-2018, 07:36
Head Of Russian Military Intelligence Dies Mysteriously From "Serious Illness"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-21/head-russian-military-intelligence-dies-following-grave-illness-few-details-given

Benedikt
22-11-2018, 08:37
[QUOTE=Judge;1484435]Head Of Russian Military Intelligence Dies Mysteriously From "Serious Illness"

maybe if -they- do the cleaning they are doing it from the head down? and not, as usual, in Russia, from the tail up?

Uncle Wally
22-11-2018, 22:12
Should blame it on the UK.

Judge
22-11-2018, 23:42
Should blame it on the UK.

Why is that?

americaninmoscow
23-11-2018, 03:28
Here is a great read-

Russia’s Military Spies Are a Laughing Stock, But They’re Dangerous as Hell

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russias-military-spies-are-a-laughing-stock-but-theyre-dangerous-as-hell


A curious game of spy versus spy has gone public in Russia over the last week. According to the official news agency of the Russian Federation, Rosbalt, agents of the Federal Security Service (the FSB) have staged raids on more than 60 state officials and private investigators to try to stanch the flow of leaks revealing the incompetence of Russia’s main military intelligence agency, the GRU (full name: Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation).

That won’t be an easy job.


The GRU has gained a reputation of late as the most public and aggressive of Russia’s security services, Putin’s not-so-secret weapon. Election hacks in the U.S. (revealed in extraordinary detail by one of the Mueller investigation’s indictments), destructive cyberattacks targeting Ukraine, the Skripal poisonings in Britain, an attempted coup in Montenegro, traveling in person to hack investigations targeting Russian scandals such as the doping of Olympic athletes and the Russian role downing a Malaysian airliner over Ukraine in 2014—the GRU had a hand in all of those incidents, and more, Western governments say.

But at the same time and in many of those same operations, the GRU acquired a reputation for scoring what The Guardian calls “own goals,” the most obvious of which is the failure to preserve the anonymity of the murderers sent to Britain to poison GRU defector Sergei Skripal with the obscure and particularly Russian nerve agent known as novichok.

Only the Saudis have proved more incompetent at cover-ups.


and it goes on and on...

americaninmoscow
23-11-2018, 03:29
Here is a great read-

Russia’s Military Spies Are a Laughing Stock, But They’re Dangerous as Hell

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russias-military-spies-are-a-laughing-stock-but-theyre-dangerous-as-hell


Many of the FSB raids last week, according to Rosbalt, were meant to discover who let out the real names of "Alexander Petrov" and "Ruslan Boshirov," the two GRU officers initially said to have been visiting Salisbury, England—Skripal’s home—as mere tourists.

With so many missteps, it is unsurprising that the GRU is feeling pressure at home. Instead of a grand celebration for their recent 100th anniversary, the GRU reportedly had a senior meeting during which it was accused of “complete incompetence” and “boundless sloppiness.” There are even rumors that GRU Director Colonel General Igor Korobov met with Russian President Vladimir Putin to discuss his agency’s many failures, a meeting that Korobov found so stressful that he reportedly collapsed upon arriving home.

When Putin did speak at GRU headquarters to mark the anniversary last week, he is alleged to have referenced the name change eight years ago, when the Main Intelligence Directorate became the Main Directorate. “It’s unknown where the word ‘intelligence’ went," Putin reportedly told the hundreds of officials in attendance.

FatAndy
23-11-2018, 12:13
Here is a great read-
By Anna Nemtsova? :rofl:

Zephyr
23-11-2018, 14:53
By Anna Nemtsova? :rofl:
Yes Indeed, highly likely.:poo:

americaninmoscow
23-11-2018, 16:54
By Anna Nemtsova? :rofl:

Do you disagree with any of the facts in the article?

Or just the person that wrote it?

FatAndy
23-11-2018, 18:50
Do you disagree with any of the facts in the article?
Are there any facts, besides usual bubble gum of "highly likely"?
Well, one "fact" is enough - According to the official news agency of the Russian Federation, Rosbalt. :D
It's cesspool, comrade, on the level of MK, Bellingcat or Novaya gazeta.

TolkoRaz
23-11-2018, 22:10
Do you disagree with any of the facts in the article?

Or just the person that wrote it?

So, private investigators are now supporting the FSB to conduct investigations into leaks from GRU and there State officials? ;)

As ever, one needs to remember that the GRU's many successes remain secret and out of the public realm! It is not all bad, nor sensational news.............

Uncle Wally
24-11-2018, 06:19
Do you disagree with any of the facts in the article?

Or just the person that wrote it?



There are no facts in there.

TolkoRaz
24-11-2018, 11:50
Do you disagree with any of the facts in the article?

Or just the person that wrote it?

Both! ;)

americaninmoscow
24-11-2018, 19:45
As ever, one needs to remember that the GRU's many successes remain secret and out of the public realm! .


Well, that's hardly true, at last in the recent 5 years.

I guess you haven't heard about the GRU team that recently was caught in the Netherlands?

;b

americaninmoscow
24-11-2018, 19:48
Are there any facts, besides usual bubble gum of "highly likely"?
Well, one "fact" is enough - According to the official news agency of the Russian Federation, Rosbalt. :D
It's cesspool, comrade, on the level of MK, Bellingcat or Novaya gazeta.

Sorry mate, as much as I respect your position, denying the facts in this story is pure fantasy.


It is a bitter pill to swallow, but the Russian security forces, at least the GRU, is hardly a "james bond", at least in recent years.

If you actually read how these guys were caught, its stupid crazy dumb.

And the scandal surrounding the children? lol.

those are just the easy ones.

americaninmoscow
24-11-2018, 19:49
Both! ;)

In that case, just stick to 1st channel!

americaninmoscow
24-11-2018, 19:50
Yes Indeed, highly likely.:poo:

I remember you.

You were the cut and paster/plagiarist/american-hater.

Welcome back! and thanks for posting.

americaninmoscow
24-11-2018, 19:51
There are no facts in there.

Sorry mate.

You should take your blinders off. all is not well in "happy-land".

But, please, continue drinking the kool-aid.

TolkoRaz
24-11-2018, 21:02
Well, that's hardly true, at last in the recent 5 years.

I guess you haven't heard about the GRU team that recently was caught in the Netherlands?

;b

You seem to forget or chose to ignore a very amateurish CIA embarrassment on the streets of Moscow just a few years ago..........

https://www.rt.com/news/fsb-detain-cia-agent-253/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-detention/russia-detains-u-s-embassy-worker-for-spy-recruitment-ria-idUSBRE94D0DT20130514

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americaninmoscow
25-11-2018, 00:56
...i say smart things....




thanks for your whataboutism mate, please pull the wheel and try again.


but here is latest GRU hacking team that lead to other GRU escapades around the world.



what did the CIA guy lead to again?


https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/04/europe/netherlands-russia-gru-intl/index.html


Dutch officials gave unprecedented details as they outlined the alleged Russian operation at a joint Dutch-UK government news conference in The Hague.

Describing it as "very worrying," Bijleveld-Schouten said four Russian military intelligence officers were expelled on April 13, the same day the plot targeting the OPCW was detected.

They left belongings behind, she said, that also enabled the Dutch to discover that one of the agents' laptops had made connections to Brazil, Switzerland and Malaysia, trying to interfere with the investigation into the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in eastern Ukraine in 2014.


...........

The alleged agents were traveling on diplomatic passports, Eichelsheim said. One of them, Morenets, "had a taxi receipt on him ... from the location Nesvizkhskiy Pereulok to the airport in Moscow," he said. "That's the road that borders ... the GRU."

americaninmoscow
25-11-2018, 01:03
or here is the Guardian take, with lots of pretty pictures.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/04/visual-guide-how-dutch-intelligence-thwarted-a-russian-hacking-operation

americaninmoscow
25-11-2018, 03:23
You seem to forget or .....





uh, let me help you with that.

gru doesnt equal cia. at all.

gru = military intellingence.

so, in ur case, gru somewhat equals dia. (defense intelligence agency)

and no, never, ever, did u hear of ANYONE being busted in that group in the last, um, ever. cuz they really are that good.

so, lesson learned, son.

but, keep on with the, we were never here, and u saw nothing, schtick.

next!

Uncle Wally
25-11-2018, 05:17
Sorry mate, as much as I respect your position, denying the facts in this story is pure fantasy.


It is a bitter pill to swallow, but the Russian security forces, at least the GRU, is hardly a "james bond", at least in recent years.

If you actually read how these guys were caught, its stupid crazy dumb.

And the scandal surrounding the children? lol.

those are just the easy ones.



Believing everything you read is crazy, stupid, dumb.

Uncle Wally
25-11-2018, 05:37
or here is the Guardian take, with lots of pretty pictures.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/04/visual-guide-how-dutch-intelligence-thwarted-a-russian-hacking-operation



Wow, lots of pictures! It must be true. Nobody ever set up a picture before. A visual guide for the stupid. Hackers or other wise don't have to leave their mom's basement, it's the internet stupid.

TolkoRaz
25-11-2018, 11:04
uh, let me help you with that.

gru doesnt equal cia. at all.

gru = military intellingence.

so, in ur case, gru somewhat equals dia. (defense intelligence agency)

and no, never, ever, did u hear of ANYONE being busted in that group in the last, um, ever. cuz they really are that good.

so, lesson learned, son.

but, keep on with the, we were never here, and u saw nothing, schtick.

next!

Roles of GRU and DIA are very much different; there is no comparison................DIA are mainly deskbound and are principally analysts who spend most of their time analysing all-source intelligence from a myriad of different agencies and open source feeds.............

The DIA's covert capability is very limited in comparison to the GRU and CIA etc

TolkoRaz
25-11-2018, 15:44
And furthermore another significant difference between the DIA and GRU is that over 75% of DIA personnel are civilians, whereas the vast majority of GRU personnel are military personnel benefiting from much experience on combat operations.

americaninmoscow
27-11-2018, 01:21
whereas the vast majority of GRU personnel are military personnel benefiting from much experience on combat operations.

And that brings us full circle.

americaninmoscow
27-11-2018, 01:22
The DIA's covert capability is very limited in comparison to the GRU and CIA etc

Yea, I am not so sure about that.

I guess you know better, right?

americaninmoscow
27-11-2018, 01:25
Wow, lots of pictures! It must be true. Nobody ever set up a picture before. A visual guide for the stupid. Hackers or other wise don't have to leave their mom's basement, it's the internet stupid.

Sorry bro.

So, what you are saying is that the Netherlands never, ever caught a group of Russian GRU agents a few months back?


That it was made up?

What about this-

Why has GRU had 2 different leaders in almost as many years? And why did the first guy die? Since you seem to know so much about secret spy stuff.

TolkoRaz
27-11-2018, 11:47
Never accept an invite to a tea tasting session with the GRU! ;)