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Benedikt
15-11-2017, 10:13
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/zimbabwe-coup-feared-tanks-roll-into-harare-after-top-general-threatens-mugabe-1647305?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_content=headline&spMailingID=2516646&spUserID=MTI0NzI1NTAxMDMS1&spJobID=OTEwNTE3Njk1S0&spMailingID=2516646&spUserID=MTI0NzI1NTAxMDMS1&spJobID=910517695&spReportId=OTEwNTE3Njk1S0

https://citizen.co.za/opinion/opinion-editorials/1728093/zimbabwe-edging-closer-to-total-anarchy/

they should let him and his missis, go, give them a few millions that they fleeced from the country and let him write his memoirs somewhere on a quiet island. where they will make no more mischief.

from reading South African news, the first Lady, who is much younger than he is, seems to have a part in the /will be, might be, maybe there will be / coup...the old man wants that SHE will take over, infuriating the Army, where a head rolling campagne is on the way...

good riddance of an inept, corrupt politician, if there ever was one. who made a flourishing Rhodesia under Ian Smith a basket case that is Zimbabwe today.

the latest news say that the army has taken over harare and the radio station but claim and assure the public that it is no putsch.
https://kurier.at/politik/ausland/militaer-uebernimmt-kontrolle-in-simbabwe-und-dementiert-putschversuch/298.236.554

Judge
15-11-2017, 12:00
Yep, looks like there's been a military coup..

rumple_stilskin
15-11-2017, 12:48
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/zimbabwe-coup-feared-tanks-roll-into-harare-after-top-general-threatens-mugabe-1647305?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_content=headline&spMailingID=2516646&spUserID=MTI0NzI1NTAxMDMS1&spJobID=OTEwNTE3Njk1S0&spMailingID=2516646&spUserID=MTI0NzI1NTAxMDMS1&spJobID=910517695&spReportId=OTEwNTE3Njk1S0

https://citizen.co.za/opinion/opinion-editorials/1728093/zimbabwe-edging-closer-to-total-anarchy/

they should let him and his missis, go, give them a few millions that they fleeced from the country and let him write his memoirs somewhere on a quiet island. where they will make no more mischief.

from reading South African news, the first Lady, who is much younger than he is, seems to have a part in the /will be, might be, maybe there will be / coup...the old man wants that SHE will take over, infuriating the Army, where a head rolling campagne is on the way...

good riddance of an inept, corrupt politician, if there ever was one. who made a flourishing Rhodesia under Ian Smith a basket case that is Zimbabwe today.

the latest news say that the army has taken over harare and the radio station but claim and assure the public that it is no putsch.
https://kurier.at/politik/ausland/militaer-uebernimmt-kontrolle-in-simbabwe-und-dementiert-putschversuch/298.236.554

I think it's more complicated than that. The whites, a few of them, basically ripped off the blacks that caused the revolution in the first place. how can 5000 white farmers owning all of the country be a good thing.

And my understanding is that some of the land reforms were starting to work. although doubt the media would be honestly reporting that. Don't know if it's true or not.

At least the 5000 that own the 99% of the wealth in western countries look the same and therefor easier to get away with it. It's not 'color coded' who the thieves are.

quincy
15-11-2017, 15:16
I think it's more complicated than that. The whites, a few of them, basically ripped off the blacks that caused the revolution in the first place. how can 5000 white farmers owning all of the country be a good thing.

And my understanding is that some of the land reforms were starting to work. although doubt the media would be honestly reporting that. Don't know if it's true or not.

At least the 5000 that own the 99% of the wealth in western countries look the same and therefor easier to get away with it. It's not 'color coded' who the thieves are.

It was a corrupt system, and he ruled by intimidation but most likely he had the military's support until now
As soon as he went against the vice-president, who is said to be close to the military, he was ousted
Shades of what happened in Iraq?
Saddam Hussein counted as his friends senior US figures like Rumsfeld and Colin Powell. But as soon as he went into Kuwait he was compared to Hitler

Benedikt
15-11-2017, 17:10
I think it's more complicated than that. The whites, a few of them, basically ripped off the blacks that caused the revolution in the first place. how can 5000 white farmers owning all of the country be a good thing.

And my understanding is that some of the land reforms were starting to work. although doubt the media would be honestly reporting that. Don't know if it's true or not.

At least the 5000 that own the 99% of the wealth in western countries look the same and therefor easier to get away with it. It's not 'color coded' who the thieves are.

I was down there during these years, though in South Africa. but we were closeby and heard every day what was going on there. maybe watching this 4 part youtube film will make people understand what really MUGABE AND HIS FRIENDS DID TO THIS ONCE BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq8bTloELCo

and that one as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq8bTloELCo

it was the same in Uganda. a thriving and beautiful place. came along that slob Idid Amin. Expelled all the Indians who worked there and ran the businesses. and see what it is today.
unfortunately in these two countries the main export was agriculture, so the Gold, diamond and other mineral / lobby/ had not much to lose. and let them take over.
This was not the case in South Africa. And who owns all that is also well known. On top of it Mr. Nelson Mandela was not out to push all the Whites into the sea, at least not during the years when he was in power.
Not that Anglo American, deBeers and the likes would have let him...

and one thing is for sure, you do not hijack a plane and throw out the pilot when you do not know how to fly.

TolkoRaz
15-11-2017, 23:59
Yep, looks like there's been a military coup..

It is not a coup because they say it is not a coup! :book:

quincy
16-11-2017, 01:11
It is not a coup because they say it is not a coup! :book:

The ageing dictator appeared to have provoked the coup through a miscalculation. Had he left things untouched he could have probably carried on for a few more years when he would reach 100, making him the worlds only centenarian president

Benedikt
16-11-2017, 07:22
his wife has left already. gone into Exile to Namibia. probably withe help and blessings of the army. from the looks so far they just want to get rid of her and the old man. without any mayhem,uprising and bloodshed.
to South Africa and her ANC friends she can not go. because last year or the year before whe nshe was on a visit there, she beat up,quite badly is was shown on the news, a photo model. and since that time she is not welcome any more i nSA. relations between these two countries also have not been for the best since this incident.
the old man seems to be ok, it is being heard all over the news regularly. though no photos neither a TV clip. most probably the senile old fogey is sleeping away most of the time.

in the morning i found only in one newspaper, far down, an article about the events happening there.http://www.krone.at/598823 . lets hope it stays that way. no one interferes ,no one puts their nose into their business.
there is no oil or gas there anyway, so no need for someone to bring - democracy - to Zimbabwe. they are capable enough to sort their business out their waz and in their time.


very unusual though for a country under these circumstances that no blood has flown yet. the army and also the people just want to get rid of the corrupt couple and their clan. lets hope the future will have somethign better in state for them all. it is a beautiful country, has a great tourist potential. and they deserve a little bit of luck as well!

Judge
16-11-2017, 07:32
The ageing dictator appeared to have provoked the coup through a miscalculation. Had he left things untouched he could have probably carried on for a few more years when he would reach 100, making him the worlds only centenarian president

Then his wife would have carried on for another 30 years or so, others didn't want to be ruled by someone they despise, which led to a bloodless coup that should swiftly bring the Vice-President who is in exile to power, then in time hold elections.
The VP doesn't seem much better,

New Zimbabwe leader orchestrated 1980s massacre of 20,000 opponents http://dailym.ai/2hC2bgh

Benedikt
16-11-2017, 08:57
[QUOTE=Judge;1472428]Then his wife would have carried on for another 30 years or so, others didn't want to be ruled by someone they despise, which led to a bloodless coup that should swiftly bring the Vice-President who is in exile to power, then in time hold elections.
The VP doesn't seem much better,

down at the bottom an interesting video indeed. Mugabe is being there still called his excellency and that the army is only against the criminal elements around him. suppose Mugabe still ahs enough followers in the country so hanging him will just cause bloodshed. and that is somethign apparently no one wants and definitely no one needs.

Benedikt
16-11-2017, 09:11
seems yahoo or google or who or what else have their own way of interpreting some thing. how otherwise would i get to this link? and from the looks and read of it, he was nothing better than many a today's dictator... if it would have happened these days /honest Abe/ would most probably end up in Hague at the courthouse there.


http://lerant.proboards.com/thread/6187/abraham-lincoln-charged-war-crimes?page=1

TolkoRaz
16-11-2017, 10:29
[QUOTE=Judge;1472428]Then his wife would have carried on for another 30 years or so, others didn't want to be ruled by someone they despise, which led to a bloodless coup that should swiftly bring the Vice-President who is in exile to power, then in time hold elections.
The VP doesn't seem much better,

down at the bottom an interesting video indeed. Mugabe is being there still called his excellency and that the army is only against the criminal elements around him. suppose Mugabe still ahs enough followers in the country so hanging him will just cause bloodshed. and that is somethign apparently no one wants and definitely no one needs.

It is a power reshuffle; Mugabe whilst under house arrest is being encouraged to resign by the Army leadership due to his 93 years and ill health; this will allow his recently dismissed Vice President to return and assume the Presidential position..............all very ordered and correct! ;)

No coup, nothing to see; move on please............

Benedikt
16-11-2017, 13:43
No coup, nothing to see; move on please............[/QUOTE]

so one corrupt goes to be replaced by another. sounds ok indeed. but all is quiet there and the world leaders can say, well that is Africa...

TolkoRaz
16-11-2017, 15:15
As you know if you have worked on the great continent, TIC stands for 'This is Africa' or 'That is Africa'............ ;)

Who are we to judge how they do business? ;)

Benedikt
16-11-2017, 15:42
As you know if you have worked on the great continent, TIC stands for 'This is Africa' or 'That is Africa'............ ;)

Who are we to judge how they do business? ;)

suppose the old saying still holds. who is more guilty. the one who is corrupt or the one who corrupts...

rumple_stilskin
16-11-2017, 16:26
It is not a coup because they say it is not a coup! :book:

sounds like Ukraine 2014

Uncle Wally
16-11-2017, 19:10
As you know if you have worked on the great continent, TIC stands for 'This is Africa' or 'That is Africa'............ ;)

Who are we to judge how they do business? ;)





That's right! It's their country, they can do as they see fit.

Benedikt
19-11-2017, 18:05
That's right! It's their country, they can do as they see fit.

maybe. though the thousands that got killed during the war and the thousands who got murdered and the thousands who left or were forced to leave, might disagree.

by the way, it is in the news now, Mugabe and his -Gucci Grace - are out and history. 37 years of pilfering and ruining his country the ruling Zanu-PF party gave Mugabe until today,Sunday to resign by himself. Grace his wife was thrown out of the party and barred from ever holding any position there. let's just hope the transition will be also without bloodshed.and that the new regime will be better than the old one. The country and its deserves it. though i am sure South Africa and her ANC friends will be around to help and advice... and since Zimbabwe is more or less agriculture mainly, no oil, no gas, no minerals, no /western/ world will want to come and bring their way of /democracy/ to them. i would love to see the /thundering mists/ once more..https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g293761-d305395-i254446541-The_Victoria_Falls_Hotel-Victoria_Falls_Matabeleland_North_Province.html

Benedikt
21-11-2017, 20:08
Mugabe has resigned!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/zimbabwes-mugabe-resigns-ending-four-decades-rule-160056534.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews
and all ends more or less well. no bloodshed, no witch hunt, no murders and killings. let's just hope for a better future down there for a beautiful country. that they get their farms working once more as they worked when it still was Rhodesia. that the country will prosper once more and everyone gets their share for hard WORK. lets just hope that the new rulers will have learned a lesson from Mr. Nelson Mandela.and that professional, passionate and competent farmers will return. and get that basket case of a country to its feet once more.

TolkoRaz
21-11-2017, 21:41
Lets hope that the ZANU-PF Youth Wing accept the resignation peacefully..........

Benedikt
22-11-2017, 05:27
Lets hope that the ZANU-PF Youth Wing accept the resignation peacefully..........

since it was the party itself who expelled him and his wife, one would assume so. interesting also the posters protesters are showing. nowhere to be seen - hang Mugabe- or -kill him- or the likes. - Mugabe must rest now-.very interesting article in the link.the future of this country will be interesting indeed. they have basically only two things going there. agriculture, which is down, as it says in the article, 10% of available and arable farmland is being used now. and tourism. the Vic falls are really a wonder to see. and the big round cone shaped Big Zimbabwe stone houses, a marvel. they were big down there when /we/ in Europe were still running around in furs chasing wild bison and mammoth.
https://kurier.at/chronik/weltchronik/wie-das-mugabe-regime-das-land-herunterwirtschaftete/298.299.874
wonder how much though they were skimming off the mining profits? suppose these were the reasons Mugabe could stay in power so long? Champagne and Cuban cigars for his generals? and the money for / Gucci Grace's/ shopping trips must have come from somewhere. Suppose as long as the Anglo American Shareholders got their share as well every year they could care less what was happening there? They are sitting fat and happy in London..Was the same in South Africa...Some things will never change.

Benedikt
22-11-2017, 06:38
what South Africa and (some of) the rest of the world think about the resignation of Robert Mugabe

https://citizen.co.za/

an interesting article, might be worth keeping in mind. and see if the predictions will come true. https://citizen.co.za/news/news-africa/1735867/zimbabwe-beware-the-military-is-looking-after-its-own-interests-not-democracy/


wonder if Trump knows where Zimbabwe is located?

TolkoRaz
22-11-2017, 10:58
since it was the party itself who expelled him and his wife, one would assume so. interesting also the posters protesters are showing. nowhere to be seen - hang Mugabe- or -kill him- or the likes. - Mugabe must rest now-.very interesting article in the link.the future of this country will be interesting indeed. they have basically only two things going there. agriculture, which is down, as it says in the article, 10% of available and arable farmland is being used now. and tourism. the Vic falls are really a wonder to see. and the big round cone shaped Big Zimbabwe stone houses, a marvel. they were big down there when /we/ in Europe were still running around in furs chasing wild bison and mammoth.
https://kurier.at/chronik/weltchronik/wie-das-mugabe-regime-das-land-herunterwirtschaftete/298.299.874
wonder how much though they were skimming off the mining profits? suppose these were the reasons Mugabe could stay in power so long? Champagne and Cuban cigars for his generals? and the money for / Gucci Grace's/ shopping trips must have come from somewhere. Suppose as long as the Anglo American Shareholders got their share as well every year they could care less what was happening there? They are sitting fat and happy in London..Was the same in South Africa...Some things will never change.

Ben, It is not as simple as that.....the ZANU-PF Youth League / Wing were known to be extremely loyal to Grace Mugabe, and are known for their militancy.

Key to pacifying them will be how the Mugabe are now treated..... Granting of immunity etc....

Despite the resignation being forced, if the Mugabe are treated with 'respect' and not hounded, then all shall remain peaceful by African standards....

Benedikt
22-11-2017, 11:06
Despite the resignation being forced, if the Mugabe are treated with 'respect' and not hounded, then all shall remain peaceful by African standards....[/QUOTE]


as i said, let's hope they learned somethign from Nelson Mandela. even if he had said, when he still was a -terrorist- that all the whites will be driven into the sea-. when he came to power, he had mellowed and for sure also could see, or was convinced by some very powerful and rich and influential people ( Anglo American, deBeers and the likes come to my mind) that without the -whites- in SA nothing much will work.