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vossy7
16-06-2017, 12:32
Having returned to Moscow after my recovery I drove to a meeting on Pokrovski Blvd ( where I first worked when I arrived in 1990) this morning and could not believe the extent of the changes. It appears the plan to alleviate the traffic issues will do just the opposite .......:scared:

Benedikt
16-06-2017, 14:33
Having returned to Moscow after my recovery I drove to a meeting on Pokrovski Blvd ( where I first worked when I arrived in 1990) this morning and could not believe the extent of the changes. It appears the plan to alleviate the traffic issues will do just the opposite .......:scared:

don-t think so. the good mayor wants to keep more cars OUT of the city center. Good for him.one does not need a car to drive to the toilet around the corner. neither to the supermarket which is a block down the road. though they seem to forget the most important thing.above public transport must get absolute and foremost priority. and not only in the city center. also out in the suburbs and closer to town. does not help if the bus or tram also gets stuck in the morning and evening traffic jams.#and the MOST important thing at all. if there is an accident and no people came to harm, priority must be given to get traffic moving as fast as possible. everyone and their dog have an iPhone these days. make pictures, get the cars out of the way, let traffic flow. argue about the issues that might arise on the side of the read. but that is a dream.....

vossy7
16-06-2017, 16:19
don-t think so. the good mayor wants to keep more cars OUT of the city center. Good for him.one does not need a car to drive to the toilet around the corner. neither to the supermarket which is a block down the road. though they seem to forget the most important thing.above public transport must get absolute and foremost priority. and not only in the city center. also out in the suburbs and closer to town. does not help if the bus or tram also gets stuck in the morning and evening traffic jams.#and the MOST important thing at all. if there is an accident and no people came to harm, priority must be given to get traffic moving as fast as possible. everyone and their dog have an iPhone these days. make pictures, get the cars out of the way, let traffic flow. argue about the issues that might arise on the side of the read. but that is a dream.....

Ben I admire your optimism but taking out complet traffic lanes and replacing them with unnecessarily wide pavements is not going to stoping people using their cars. Introducing heavy zone charges may be more of an incentive . A sizeable number of my good Russian friends wouldn't be seen dead on the Metro. Only time will tell the outcome of some of the widest pavements on the globe:winking:

natlee
16-06-2017, 16:49
Agree with Vossy. "The good mayor" may rot in hell for all I efiin care. Turning my entire city into a warzone, and for yet another dumb ass idea! The quality of the work is, of course, beautiful as per normal. I used to nag my expat friends to come see my beautiful city - "the good mayor" has totally taken care of that! These past few years I have felt nothing but shame.

Benedikt
16-06-2017, 18:37
Agree with Vossy. "The good mayor" may rot in hell for all I efiin care. Turning my entire city into a warzone, and for yet another dumb ass idea! The quality of the work is, of course, beautiful as per normal. I used to nag my expat friends to come see my beautiful city - "the good mayor" has totally taken care of that! These past few years I have felt nothing but shame.

There might be of course a reason behind all that? Maybe they are doing it for this years FIFA and next years world cup football games? Where many visitors will come to Moscow. and the good mayor wants to show them a great city with wide pavements, lots of greens and flowers? And in 2019 things will change again.....
Not to be seen dead on -in the Metro? With all these new trains? All russian and english language announcements? Plans and stations written in both languages? The new trains all air con ? i would not be seen dead in a CAR in the center! Cruising around for 2h to find parking? And than still have to walk a mile to an appointment? When the metro station is around the corner?

vossy7
16-06-2017, 19:45
Not to be seen dead on -in the Metro? With all these new trains? All russian and english language announcements? Plans and stations written in both languages? The new trains all air con ? i would not be seen dead in a CAR in the center! Cruising around for 2h to find parking? And than still have to walk a mile to an appointment? When the metro station is around the corner?
Ben , I have and still use the Metro on a daily basis , I also drive where and when I feel it is appropriate .
I was referring to a huge section of the Muscovite population who for whatever reason prefer to drive come hell or high water.....that's the way it is and I believe that's the way it will always be . Moscow is my adopted home and I love and defend it dearly and yes there have been incredible improvements since I arrived 27 years ago but at a big cost of losing so many trees :smile:

Judge
16-06-2017, 20:29
Agree with Vossy. "The good mayor" may rot in hell for all I efiin care. Turning my entire city into a warzone, and for yet another dumb ass idea! The quality of the work is, of course, beautiful as per normal. I used to nag my expat friends to come see my beautiful city - "the good mayor" has totally taken care of that! These past few years I have felt nothing but shame.

There's no pleasing everyone....all will be in order just before the footy world cup kicks off..

vossy7
16-06-2017, 21:10
There's no pleasing everyone....all will be in order just before the footy world cup kicks off..
And I will be a 100% supporter of the Russian team......unless of course the freaking Paddies get off their collected arses and qualify from their group and then it will be Rusish support of course :cool:

natlee
16-06-2017, 23:56
There's no pleasing everyone....all will be in order just before the footy world cup kicks off.. LOL! You have got to be kidding.

Do me a favor, come closer to the 'work' they're doing and take a real good look ;) In fact, come to my area - I will buy you tea @ the nearby Shokoladnitsa with a real good view! :D

I used to be like you and Ben, looking forward to the, um, progress (?), thinking it was all worth it, but my area (2 metro stops from the Red Square and crap ;)) has been a war zone every summer (+spring and fall) since Sobyanin took office and they have yet to make an improvement to what it was like before I ever learned his name! I cannot recall a time other than in the winter that my little one was able to use any of the local playgrounds which are forever undergoing.. feck knows! Improvements my ass!

natlee
17-06-2017, 00:02
On a more positive note - welcome back, Vossy! :thumbsup: How are you doing?

Uncle Wally
17-06-2017, 00:53
LOL! You have got to be kidding.

Do me a favor, come closer to the 'work' they're doing and take a real good look ;) In fact, come to my area - I will buy you tea @ the nearby Shokoladnitsa with a real good view! :D

I used to be like you and Ben, looking forward to the, um, progress (?), thinking it was all worth it, but my area (2 metro stops from the Red Square and crap ;)) has been a war zone every summer (+spring and fall) since Sobyanin took office and they have yet to make an improvement to what it was like before I ever learned his name! I cannot recall a time other than in the winter that my little one was able to use any of the local playgrounds which are forever undergoing.. feck knows! Improvements my ass!




Gee this rain and bad weather is getting on everyone.

natlee
17-06-2017, 00:57
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vossy7
17-06-2017, 01:01
On a more positive note - welcome back, Vossy! :thumbsup: How are you doing?

Cheers Nat, I had back surgery after decades of abuse of my body through crazy sports and freaking dancing.....happily the surgery went better than expected :cool:

Uncle Wally
17-06-2017, 01:10
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Doesn't look that bad.


I must say though that just 5 nights ago they were painting new crosswalks near me. Two nights ago they ripped off the top layer of pavement on the same street and put down new asphalt. I'm guessing tomorrow they will paint new crosswalks.

natlee
17-06-2017, 01:30
Doesn't look that bad. I might take a few more in the next few days, if I have the time ;)

Uncle Wally
17-06-2017, 01:42
I might take a few more in the next few days, if I have the time ;)


I'm only ribbing you. I don't drive, and I got an SUV type stroller for Puki/squeaky/ precious. It's got big fat rubber tires and soft bouncy springs. That thing will go anywhere! But we're out of the center and not much work going on here. Who wants to go out of the house much lately anyhow?

Judge
15-08-2017, 23:03
Talking about change to the city, had a wander round centre today, they are building another bridge parallel to the Bolshoy Moskvoretsky bridge, the massive Soviet hotel they knocked down looks like it's being turned into a new park, remember reading the place will represent the Russian wildness, like tundra and steppe, there's a fancy looking wavey shaped glass roof, massive project, will look awesome when finished, which looks soon cos work was ongoing and lots done.. Probably will be ready for the footy world cup.

Any links to the above project, wanna see what it's gonna look like?

Another place that's getting a facelift is the all russian exhibition center, vdnkh, roads ripped up, scaffolding on all main buildings, entrance...best to avoid for now, KAMAZ trucks and lots of digging.. If want to visit best do so from Bot sad metro, at one of the entrances from that side, there is a city farm, opposite the big pond for fishing ,where you can cook what you catch on site..

http://vdnh.ru/en/events/exhibitions/city-farm-at-vdnh-/

Benedikt
16-08-2017, 04:23
Comparing Klagernfurt in Austria (a city of now 100k people,no subway, busses only, no more tram.where i grew up) to Moscow is of course comparing Apples to pears....
but i remember when the mayor THERE declared they will close the inner city to traffic and make a pedestrian zone. - everyone- and their dog was squealing that it will be the end of the town and it will die. people who come to shop HAVE to drive their cars right in front of the shops... already 5 years later the opposite was the way. we have in the center a huge underground parking garage. and at the more or less outskirts big parking and shuttle busses to the center...no one would even think of allowing traffic back into the city.

once more, when i was a kid still, City Hall decided to make around our beautiful Wörthersee a ring line canalisation. and NO ONE was allowed anymore to let their sewage into the lake.again, they were screaming blue murder. to expensive, who needs it, we only let bath water into the lake... But it was done anyway. Now since many years the lake has EVERY year drinking water quality. no algae blooming in summer. and millions of tourists.

I still remember Moscow when Stockman had one shop, 1st line, at the GUM. when the Metro was indeed 5 kopeks a ride.when around Lushniki or any other big empty place was a rabbit warren of little kiosk. where one could get - fake- anything and -crap and cheap- even more... and when i paid for beef 6 rubles a kilo...things do change, maybe not all for the better, but i definitely like Moscow the way it is now. many things the present mayor likes to take credit for, was done years before him.the - genplan- for Moscow is not a thing that is done in 2 or 3 or 5 years.
does one remember Tsaritsino, Catherina-s folly castle? fir for rats and bums and junkies only....
bicycle lanes in Moscow? who needs them...
Hypermarkets or a supermarket on every corner? ( do wee need them, is another story)
though i do miss the milk truck who was parking during the cooler season around the corner. where i had to get up at 5 only to be beaten by already 10 babushkas who were waiting already in line to get fresh milk and - tvorog- ( not that there was no milk in the shop. but THIS was milk from the cow and not from the water pipe and chemical factory...)
I like Moscow the way it is progressing,for better or worse, mostly for the better.i go to the center maybe once every 6 month, always amazed what they have done again.

Judge
05-09-2017, 10:56
I stand corrected to what I said earlier about a new bridge, on closer inspection it is a viewing point over the river.

xt-tsi
10-09-2017, 11:22
I have lived in Moscow 28 years, first in the early 80's, then in the 90's and now since 2004.

At first I was skeptical of Sobyanin's project in the center but now I support it, mostly. I used to stay away from public transport but now I use it all the time. Although the sidewalks are widened, illegal parking is much reduced and the traffic flow is better. The city has a number of places to visit that are vastly improved and full of people. Then again, I'm semi retired so I have the luxury of moving around in off peak traffic. I'm sure rush hour is no picnic in a car or on the metro.

The key now is to stop. In all the years I've lived here, the construction seems never ending. The city is now replacing the sidewalk in front of my house for the second time. I hope it's the last time I have to live through the incessant jack hammering. Hopefully once the football is behind us the Mayor will take a breather, maybe give the city a break.

Benedikt
10-09-2017, 16:06
I might take a few more in the next few days, if I have the time ;)

at least one good thing came out of all these digging and building. and the ensuing traffic jams. our good Mayor has decreed that NO digging and closing off parts or the whole road is to be going on during rush hours.
a few days ago we were driving out on Volokolomskaya. they were digging a trench across the road. laying some thick pipes or cables or god knows what. a cop car was standing nearby. and two cops standing right near the guy with the white helmet. i have never seen in my life construction workers digging and shoveling and closing the trench that fast as on that day.

FatAndy
10-09-2017, 19:13
Today I visited Belorussky vokzal and saw renovated areas in both sides of Leningradka/1-Tverskaya-Yamskaya. Even new tram on the ring near vokzal, and M. Gorky monument. Looks nice. :ok:

Benedikt
10-09-2017, 20:36
Today I visited Belorussky vokzal and saw renovated areas in both sides of Leningradka/1-Tverskaya-Yamskaya. Even new tram on the ring near vokzal, and M. Gorky monument. Looks nice. :ok:

took them forever there. the Tram is the end (or beginning) of a line that will connect all the railway stations.
lets just hope that after the football world cup parts of the now wide pavements will not be re build or opened for parking. it would be a pity indeed.

Judge
12-09-2017, 14:41
Many share Natlee's feelings,


Sobyanin has angered many Muscovites by ordering seemingly endless roadworks and renovations across the city, which critics say are aimed purely at enriching government officials and Kremlin-linked property developers.

Liberal anti-Putin coalition causes upset in Moscow council elections

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/11/liberal-coalition-deals-blow-to-putin-in-moscow-council-elections?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Messaging