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quincy
29-07-2015, 08:51
A "safe zone" Turkey and the US are creating in Syria is an attempt by Ankara to stop Kurds from forming their own territory, the leader of Turkey's pro-Kurdish party has told the BBC.
HDP chairman Selahattin Demirtas said Turkey's operation against Islamic State militants across the border was a cover to target PKK Kurdish rebels.
He urged both Turkey and the PKK to return to the peace process.
Ankara earlier said PKK attacks on Turkey made peace attempts impossible.
There has been a recent series of clashes between Turkish forces and the PKK (Kurdistan Workers' Party).
Turkey has also been hit by attacks by IS-linked militants - including one that left 32 dead in the border town of Suruc last week.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33698659


The BBC doesn't say that it was supporters of Kurds who were massacred inside Turkey. The last statement creates the impression that 'Turkey' was the victim. The Kurds are saying that Turkey (far from being a victim as the BBC implies) co-operated with the IS in the atrocity against them

TolkoRaz
29-07-2015, 09:36
Quincy, All is not clear at the moment, but I understand that the Suruc attack was conducted by IS / Da'esh. Of course, it could have been a False Flag operation to justify the engagement by Turkish Military, but I am not buying that at the moment.

What we see today is the Turkish Military attacking both IS / Da'esh and the Kurds across the border - Bizarrely, the Turks are attacking the Kurds who have been the most effective in attacking IS / Da'esh.

All in all, a very confusing and complex situation which will only see the threat level in Turkey rise from both the Kurdish PKK and IS / Da'esh which means that the Government and Westerners / Tourists will now be in the firing line.

quincy
29-07-2015, 10:03
Quincy, All is not clear at the moment, but I understand that the Suruc attack was conducted by IS / Da'esh. Of course, it could have been a False Flag operation to justify the engagement by Turkish Military, but I am not buying that at the moment.

What we see today is the Turkish Military attacking both IS / Da'esh and the Kurds across the border - Bizarrely, the Turks are attacking the Kurds who have been the most effective in attacking IS / Da'esh.

All in all, a very confusing and complex situation which will only see the threat level in Turkey rise from both the Kurdish PKK and IS / Da'esh which means that the Government and Westerners / Tourists will now be in the firing line.

The tourist areas of Turkey are unaffected
IS targeted the Kurds in Turkey, not Turkey itself (which has played a leading role in the anti-Assad campaign and is probably seen sympathetic to them)

fenrir
29-07-2015, 10:06
The tourist areas of Turkey are unaffected
IS targeted the Kurds in Turkey, not Turkey itself (which has played a leading role in the anti-Assad campaign and is probably seen sympathetic to them)

Tolko is right. IS will almost certainly expand their operations inside Turkey. Hitting tourists is the most effective way for them to hurt the Turks.

TolkoRaz
29-07-2015, 15:12
The tourist areas of Turkey are unaffected
IS targeted the Kurds in Turkey, not Turkey itself (which has played a leading role in the anti-Assad campaign and is probably seen sympathetic to them)

Yesterday, there were threats against the metro and other targets in Istanbul! Tourists are in abundance in Istanbul!

Istanbul Police have issued a warning of possible bomb attacks at ‘crowded places’ in the city, including metro stations and bus lines. According to the usually reliable Today's Zaman, the Yenikapi-Taksim metro and bus line were specifically mentioned in the police report. Another report citing what appears to be the same police warning lists Taksim, Osmanbey, Yenikapi and Haciosman stations as possible targets.

quincy
29-07-2015, 18:23
Yesterday, there were threats against the metro and other targets in Istanbul! Tourists are in abundance in Istanbul!



Turkey has been in conflict with its Kurds now for decades

TolkoRaz
29-07-2015, 18:31
Turkey has been in conflict with its Kurds now for decades

On that point, you are correct! ;)

Uncle Wally
30-07-2015, 01:51
On that point, you are correct! ;)



He is also correct about Turkey helping IS and their Saudi backers.


NATO took out Gaddafi in what a week and all of a sudden not only can't they take out IS but IS gets stronger and takes more territory. The Kurds ( great fighters) start losing once the US and friends start to "help".

fenrir
30-07-2015, 06:55
He is also correct about Turkey helping IS and their Saudi backers.


NATO took out Gaddafi in what a week and all of a sudden not only can't they take out IS but IS gets stronger and takes more territory. The Kurds ( great fighters) start losing once the US and friends start to "help".

Turkey has been helping ISIS but nobody here hasn't said that they weren't, so what's your point? They have their own byzantine reasons for doing so.

TolkoRaz
30-07-2015, 09:45
Quite bizarre - Is Turkey not a member of NATO?

Uncle Wally
30-07-2015, 11:22
Quite bizarre - Is Turkey not a member of NATO?


Yes Turkey is a NATO member and as a good NATO member follows the NATO line. Help terrorist destabilize the middle east so NATO generals have a job, the military industrial complex can sell weapons.


Funny how fenrir think it's nothing that Turkey helps terrorist that are killing Americans and the US government knows this and says/does nothing.

fenrir
30-07-2015, 13:22
Yes Turkey is a NATO member and as a good NATO member follows the NATO line. Help terrorist destabilize the middle east so NATO generals have a job, the military industrial complex can sell weapons.


Funny how fenrir think it's nothing that Turkey helps terrorist that are killing Americans and the US government knows this and says/does nothing.

Was Turkey following the NATO line when it invaded Cyprus? Turkey does what Turkey wants to do and in this case, anything that hurts the Kurds, including collaborating with ISIS, is open game.

Btw, show where I said it was nothing that Turkey is doing this.

Uncle Wally
30-07-2015, 14:02
Was Turkey following the NATO line when it invaded Cyprus? Turkey does what Turkey wants to do and in this case, anything that hurts the Kurds, including collaborating with ISIS, is open game.

Btw, show where I said it was nothing that Turkey is doing this.



Maybe not but NATO by not saying or doing much backed it.

quincy
30-07-2015, 20:21
Maybe not but NATO by not saying or doing much backed it.

Turkey can push its weight around, but without friends in high places it would not be able to attack another country and remain there for 40 years


In his explosive new book, The Trial of Henry Kissinger, Christopher Hitchens argues that the former US secretary of state should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity. Here, in our second exclusive extract, he explains why Kissinger should be held responsible for the bloody invasion of Cyprus
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2001/feb/26/extract.features11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVIk0p16eJg

TolkoRaz
30-07-2015, 21:42
Sadly, the US of A will back Turkey because it wants use of the airbases, primarily Incirlik, which allow a much less complicated, easier and swifter targeting of high value targets in Syria.

quincy
31-07-2015, 10:47
Sadly, the US of A will back Turkey because it wants use of the airbases, primarily Incirlik, which allow a much less complicated, easier and swifter targeting of high value targets in Syria.

Yes but it's not only about airbases. The EU opened membership talks with Turkey while 30,000 Turkish troops remained in Cyprus !

quincy
04-08-2015, 08:19
Turkey is said to have carried out hundreds of airstrikes against Kurds in Syria, Iraq and Turkey itself, but the BBC and other western channels will not give us any details or publish photos

Uncle Wally
05-08-2015, 11:42
America has just said they will bomb anyone trying to harm the rebels they trained to fight in Syria, even the Syrian government forces! Who cares what the UN thinks or their own Congress.

TolkoRaz
05-08-2015, 12:14
Anybody planning to go to Turkey on holiday soon, should reconsider! Turkey is about significantly increase their offensive operations against the Kurds and IS / Da'esh - this is going to become very messy!

quincy
05-08-2015, 16:09
Anybody planning to go to Turkey on holiday soon, should reconsider! Turkey is about significantly increase their offensive operations against the Kurds and IS / Da'esh - this is going to become very messy!

The Kurds are saying they are the real target (and probably the Syrian government forces also)

quincy
07-08-2015, 13:16
America has just said they will bomb anyone trying to harm the rebels they trained to fight in Syria, even the Syrian government forces! Who cares what the UN thinks or their own Congress.

The US is still decided on regime change in Syria. What the people of Syria want is totally irrelevant.
The UN will be tolerated if it supports US ambitions. Otherwise the US media will tear it to pieces