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Uncle Wally
23-06-2015, 23:06
Russia becomes the biggest importer of oil to China!

quincy
24-06-2015, 01:17
Russia becomes the biggest importer of oil to China!

If more Russian oil gets diverted to China, Poland, Germany etc will have to look to North Africa and the Middle East more....except they brought chaos and anarchy to Libya and Iraq and Syria

Judge
24-06-2015, 18:35
Russia's pivot eastward is becoming a reality, like a top Chinese businessman said at the St Petes forum the other week,"Russia and China are a match made in heaven"

Russia has overtaken Saudi Arabia as the largest supplier of oil to China for the first time, sending almost 930,000 barrels a day last month – up 21% on April.

China imported 3.92m tonnes of crude oil from Russia in May. In comparison, oil imports from Angola and Saudia Arabia totalled 3.26m tonnes and 3.05m tonnes respectively.
http://gu.com/p/4a478?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Messages

Judge
24-06-2015, 18:40
If more Russian oil gets diverted to China, Poland, Germany etc will have to look to North Africa and the Middle East more....except they brought chaos and anarchy to Libya and Iraq and Syria

The Germans aren't worried, it's been in the news they might be getting another gas pipeline directly from Russia ,
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russias-gazprom-building-global-alliance-with-shell/524289.html

Nobbynumbnuts
24-06-2015, 19:04
....."Russia and China are a match made in heaven.........[/url]



...careful, the Chinese are not stupid and there's a tradition of mistrust between Russia and China which needs to be over come.

FatAndy
24-06-2015, 19:08
...careful, the Chinese are not stupid and there's a tradition of mistrust between Russia and China which needs to be over come.
Mistrust or not, every country will observe own interests ;)

Judge
24-06-2015, 20:28
...careful, the Chinese are not stupid and there's a tradition of mistrust between Russia and China which needs to be over come.

Neither are the Russians, you gotta look ahead not have a mentality stuck in the past,like all relationships, it could turn sour but for now enjoy the ride.

What's surprising to me is the amount of oil Angola ships to China, with Russia building new pipelines, the Russian amount might double...

For now the Chinese are focsused in other places,like their own backyard.

I believe the Chinese will make a play soon in their area,with their "South China Sea land reclamation "... and they are investing billions everywhere, making gas and oil deals with the main players, which country is going to oppose them if the Chinese take more territorial waters cos they want their own oil and gas.....Of course the US will oppose but who will support the Yanks?

For sure the Chinese have the backing of Russia at the United Nations Security Council .

fenrir
24-06-2015, 20:40
If more Russian oil gets diverted to China, Poland, Germany etc will have to look to North Africa and the Middle East more....except they brought chaos and anarchy to Libya and Iraq and Syria

There are plenty of sellers of oil in the big bad world. There will be no problem with supply.

fenrir
24-06-2015, 20:42
The Germans aren't worried, it's been in the news they might be getting another gas pipeline directly from Russia ,
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russias-gazprom-building-global-alliance-with-shell/524289.html

Gas and oil are two different animals.

FatAndy
24-06-2015, 20:45
Gas and oil are two different animals.
Well, animal oil just has much more cycles and longer -CH2- chains.

fenrir
24-06-2015, 20:49
Neither are the Russians, you gotta look ahead not have a mentality stuck in the past,like all relationships, it could turn sour but for now enjoy the ride.

What's surprising to me is the amount of oil Angola ships to China, with Russia building new pipelines, the Russian amount might double...

For now the Chinese are focsused in other places,like their own backyard.

I believe the Chinese will make a play soon in their area,with their "South China Sea land reclamation "... and they are investing billions everywhere, making gas and oil deals with the main players, which country is going to oppose them if the Chinese take more territorial waters cos they want their own oil and gas.....Of course the US will oppose but who will support the Yanks?

For sure the Chinese have the backing of Russia at the United Nations Security Council .

Are you kidding? An anti-Chinese front is already forming: Vietnam (Does Russia really want to piss them off too much?), the Philippines, Brunei and Malaysia. Regarding the SC, the US can count on the UK and France, but in any case, has its own veto.

Nobbynumbnuts
24-06-2015, 21:31
Neither are the Russians, you gotta look ahead not have a mentality stuck in the past,like all relationships, it could turn sour but for now enjoy the ride.

What's surprising to me is the amount of oil Angola ships to China, with Russia building new pipelines, the Russian amount might double...

For now the Chinese are focsused in other places,like their own backyard.

I believe the Chinese will make a play soon in their area,with their "South China Sea land reclamation "... and they are investing billions everywhere, making gas and oil deals with the main players, which country is going to oppose them if the Chinese take more territorial waters cos they want their own oil and gas.....Of course the US will oppose but who will support the Yanks?

For sure the Chinese have the backing of Russia at the United Nations Security Council .


Russia's relations with the west are stuck in the past. Dogma and ideology will not be far from the surface with China too. Both have been on opposite sides of the fence in modern history and both have ambitions to be recognized as world super powers. It's a relationship that will be tested at some point..

The amount of oil is unproven in the south China sea and anyway, will probably amount to a drop in the ocean (no pun) to what China will need on it's way to eventually becoming the largest economy in the world.

Of course Russia is turning towards China to supplement trade with relations at a post cold war low with the west but there will be many anxious folk in Russia..

Judge
24-06-2015, 22:00
Are you kidding? An anti-Chinese front is already forming: Vietnam (Does Russia really want to piss them off too much?), the Philippines, Brunei and Malaysia. Regarding the SC, the US can count on the UK and France, but in any case, has its own veto.

Do you really think the Chinese care for the countries you mentioned, take Vietnam, they have no global support, the rest the Chinese will easily brush aside. ..
We will see about the UK and France,the Chinese have invested heavily in these countries.

Well, Russia can abstain, kinda like how China did with Crimea.

In a conflict between China and the US, I can see the US with no support, not even Austrialia would be interested in taking sides.

Judge
24-06-2015, 23:05
Russia's relations with the west are stuck in the past
That's clearly because the west (mainly the US and not as much the UK) prefer it that way.



Dogma and ideology will not be far from the surface with China too. Both have been on opposite sides of the fence in modern history and both have ambitions to be recognized as world super powers. It's a relationship that will be tested at some point..


Yes, that's possible , but they both want to sit at the top table,it will be with mutual respect for one another,not like we see with a so called super power lecturing in a hypocritical way.



The amount of oil is unproven in the south China sea and anyway, will probably amount to a drop in the ocean (no pun) to what China will need on it's way to eventually becoming the largest economy in the world.
The Chinese think there's enough oil in their sea, like 130 billion barrels of oil,will wait and see if they are right.



Of course Russia is turning towards China to supplement trade with relations at a post cold war low with the west but there will be many anxious folk in Russia..


We all know why they are, this recent news just confirmed it,it didn't take them long, should have done it ages ago.Russia can supply both, the Asian market and the EU, it's the same for the EU, it also can be a match made in heaven, but?

Why will there be anxious folk in Russia?

Uncle Wally
25-06-2015, 01:18
Do you really think the Chinese care for the countries you mentioned, take Vietnam, they have no global support, the rest the Chinese will easily brush aside. ..
We will see about the UK and France,the Chinese have invested heavily in these countries.

Well, Russia can abstain, kinda like how China did with Crimea.

In a conflict between China and the US, I can see the US with no support, not even Austrialia would be interested in taking sides.



He forgets that Russia can use Vietnam as a refueling base for it nuclear bombers. Vietnam remember is just in love with the USofA like so many others that America has tried to bring " democracy" to.

Uncle Wally
25-06-2015, 01:22
Russia's relations with the west are stuck in the past. Dogma and ideology will not be far from the surface with China too. Both have been on opposite sides of the fence in modern history and both have ambitions to be recognized as world super powers. It's a relationship that will be tested at some point..

The amount of oil is unproven in the south China sea and anyway, will probably amount to a drop in the ocean (no pun) to what China will need on it's way to eventually becoming the largest economy in the world.

Of course Russia is turning towards China to supplement trade with relations at a post cold war low with the west but there will be many anxious folk in Russia..



China is "stuck" with the idea that they now have factories that can make goods. They are also "stuck" on the fact that they need to fuel these factories. If China decided to stop making iPhones you would not see a new iPhone for two years.

Judge
25-06-2015, 05:38
Nobby, talking about anxious Russians ,

Deep-Seated Fears of Chinese Expansion Mar Budding Alliance With Russia

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/deep-seated-fears-of-chinese-expansion-mar-budding-alliance-with-russia/524381.html

Judge
25-06-2015, 05:47
Even America can't get enough of Russian oil,


Refiners on the U.S. West Coast and Hawaii have stepped up purchases of Russian crude
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/us-refineries-increase-russian-crude-purchase-despite-sanctions/524317.html

fenrir
25-06-2015, 09:53
He forgets that Russia can use Vietnam as a refueling base for it nuclear bombers. Vietnam remember is just in love with the USofA like so many others that America has tried to bring " democracy" to.

You forget that if China goes against Vietnam and Russia backs China, Russian nuclear bombers (which suck, btw) or anything else Russian will NOT be getting anywhere near Vietnam. They are a communist country and can play hardball too.

fenrir
25-06-2015, 09:55
Do you really think the Chinese care for the countries you mentioned, take Vietnam, they have no global support, the rest the Chinese will easily brush aside. ..
We will see about the UK and France,the Chinese have invested heavily in these countries.

Well, Russia can abstain, kinda like how China did with Crimea.

In a conflict between China and the US, I can see the US with no support, not even Austrialia would be interested in taking sides.

China already cares because these countries have US support and they are starting to work together. Read up on the topic. China is already toning things down. They are very smart and do not want a conflict. It would be very bad for business.

Uncle Wally
25-06-2015, 10:51
You forget that if China goes against Vietnam and Russia backs China, Russian nuclear bombers (which suck, btw) or anything else Russian will NOT be getting anywhere near Vietnam. They are a communist country and can play hardball too.



Russia will not "back" China but will stay neutral. America (which sucks btw) won't risk conflict.

Judge
25-06-2015, 16:54
Russia will not "back" China but will stay neutral. America (which sucks btw) won't risk conflict.

Agree, Russia won't give military help to China,I don't think the Chinese even need it.

Judge
25-06-2015, 17:00
China already cares because these countries have US support and they are starting to work together. Read up on the topic. China is already toning things down. They are very smart and do not want a conflict. It would be very bad for business.

Toning what down, they are about to finish building a runway on a disputed island,soon they will probably place military planes there.
look at a map where this island is, and read up on what the Chinese have been up to there..