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Miracle77777
25-02-2008, 00:18
Do you believe in Non-traditional medicine??
Had you ever used these methods or heard about successful ones???
Needles,
Hypnose,
Herbal therapy,
Smth else?????
Thanks..................

Marina-ballerina
25-02-2008, 00:39
I like Chinese herbal therapies and teas and go herbal if I had a stressful day (old Russian idea of some Valerian root drops being the best if you can't go to sleep).

I think that massages (aurvedic or Malasian) are the best way to feel yourself again.

And I like exercises as mood therapy (otherwise I am a moody cow).

What do you think yourself, Miracle?

Miracle77777
25-02-2008, 00:56
I like Chinese herbal therapies and teas and go herbal if I had a stressful day (old Russian idea of some Valerian root drops being the best if you can't go to sleep).

I think that massages (aurvedic or Malasian) are the best way to feel yourself again.

And I like exercises as mood therapy (otherwise I am a moody cow).

What do you think yourself, Miracle?

Could you tell a bit about Aurvedic?? Very interested in....

As for myself - I believe, that all depends of nature of your illness....

But..to be honest, all of that methods seems for me palliative......

So, I eager to hear, maybe someone has good experience to share???
:)

jumatre
02-03-2008, 17:46
I for myself do strongly believe in traditional medicine (I think that the expression "non-traditional" should be applied for the modern medicine). I aways try to use traditional methods like herbs, massages, etc. but also do believe in the modern medicine for the treatment of cancer, tranplantations, and so on... Nevertheless, the profilactic treatment wit, resp. use of massages, herbs, etc., help of course to reduce the possibilities of getting real sick.
For myself I have a massage once per week and go also once per week to the banya (or sauna), but unfortunatey and due to my job, am "obliged" to socialising (drinks, smoke, etc.,) more then I would like to.

Mittens
02-03-2008, 19:12
Absolutely! I've been using non-traditional medicines/methods (along with traditional ones) all my life. This also includes abstaining from certain food/s whilst ill (e.g. no chicken when nursing a cough).

To share: A friend's grandma in the US was given 6mths to live (cancer), she got on Chinese herbs and lasted another 8 years, I think it was!

I have friends who swear by regular massages, foot reflexology, yoga, etc.

Korotky Gennady
02-03-2008, 23:12
Do you believe in Non-traditional medicine??
Had you ever used these methods or heard about successful ones???
Needles,
Hypnose,
Herbal therapy,
Smth else?????
Thanks..................

I believe in it... but i never tried this. I think that there are good non-traditional medicine and bad one.

Miracle77777
02-03-2008, 23:37
I believe in it... but i never tried this. I think that there are good non-traditional medicine and bad one.

Thanks, KG....:inlove: This is exactly what we want to reveal - which one is good and which one is suspicious.....:)

So far - massage seems the best one....relaxating....useful for your body, skin, bones e t.c.
Yoga - it is more intellectual, I would say.....So - is a good one too, as Brains are in our Priority...;)

I feel not so confident about herbes, coding, hypnose.....

Needles - you should go to really good specialist...as it could be as helpful as dangerous on my opinion.....The same concerns akkupuncture...

Some other opinions????????????
:question: :question:

Mittens
03-03-2008, 14:16
Sometimes, it's not the case of which non-traditional medicine/method is good or bad; it's more a matter of which is suitable for you. For e.g. high blood pressure sufferers are usually not advised to have massages. Or, a type of herb may work wonders for someone who is suffering for 'X', but will be bad for someone suffering from 'Y'.

I've taken Chinese herbs for as long as I can remember (as prevention more than cure) and so far (touch wood!), I've not suffered from anything major nor do I fall sick even once a year (neither have I ever had measles, chicken pox, mumps...the 'once in a lifetime' type of illnesses). I'm not saying that it must be the herbs working,......maybe I'm just plain lucky?

bambina
03-03-2008, 14:35
Thanks, KG....:inlove: This is exactly what we want to reveal - which one is good and which one is suspicious.....:)

So far - massage seems the best one....relaxating....useful for your body, skin, bones e t.c.
Yoga - it is more intellectual, I would say.....So - is a good one too, as Brains are in our Priority...;)

I feel not so confident about herbes, coding, hypnose.....

Needles - you should go to really good specialist...as it could be as helpful as dangerous on my opinion.....The same concerns akkupuncture...

Some other opinions????????????
:question: :question:

I think it is all depends on how far your ilness gone, so, if you are very bad when only medical help is unavoidable then you shouldn't risk. But in all other cases it is very helpful. I tried herbal therapy and it hepled a lot. Especially this year I caught a very bad cold and temperature wasn't getting down, so, I had a lot of lipoviy tsvet and leaves of blackberry tea, it really did the deal. Also I do yoga, and as far as I know it is not only for brains but regular excercises help in healing some deseases, also it help preventing many deseases as well. Accupuncture, tried that too, but should say that don't go to any specialist, you should go to a really good one after consulting a proper doctor then results are perfect. Massage, good as relaxing, so healing therapy as well too. But both differ, if it is for treatment also after consulting a doctor. So, the conclusion is that yes it is good but just after knowing what you do and with whom. :wavey:

Albertina
03-03-2008, 23:28
I am a big believer in science. Enough said.

is4fun
06-03-2008, 01:18
I am a big believer in science. Enough said.

THANK YOU ALBERTINA!

So, for all the Shaman out there, please put away your side-pouch of eagles claws, sweet gr**** bear gall bladders, tiger/gorilla paws etc. you have inherited from one's culture or Charlatans alike and please provide some reasonable evidence (recent statistical studies based on scientific fact) that the remedy can possibly work. Rhinoceruses tusk is said to provide fertility. Let's get'um!!!!

Korotky Gennady
08-03-2008, 01:49
I am a big believer in science. Enough said.

I'm not.


I think that the traditional and non-traditional medicines could supplement each other.

Albertina
08-03-2008, 09:35
I'm not.


I think that the traditional and non-traditional medicines could supplement each other.

I think there should be peace in the world.

Korotky Gennady
09-03-2008, 04:17
I think there should be peace in the world.

Yeah ! Why not ? :neiner:

MissAnnElk
09-03-2008, 11:24
But there is science in what we call "non-traditional" cures. Herbs can be powerful medicines and even dangerous if you don't use them properly. There have been studies on the power of prayer (call it positive vibes if you want) in healing and even that has been shown to have a measurable affect.

Western medicine often ignores important aspects of the patient, such as the mind/body connection. This is why I think you have to do what works for you: if you don't think the treatment will work, there is a greater chance it won't work, whether tradition or Western.

Would I treat cancer only through herbs? No. I'd use everything I could.

Have I treated minor health issues "traditionally"? Yup. Just this week we treated Oldest Daughter's earache by wrapping a slice of peeled garlic in gauze and putting it in her ear. It worked and she avoided antibiotics. But if it had not worked, I was happy to get an antibiotic Rx.

One more aside, a very interesting read is The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down: A Hmong Child, Her American Doctors and the Collision of Two Cultures by Anne Fadiman. Sobering look at how different cultures approach healing and what happens when they don't understand each other.

Korotky Gennady
09-03-2008, 15:16
Western medicine often ignores important aspects of the patient, such as the mind/body connection. This is why I think you have to do what works for you: if you don't think the treatment will work, there is a greater chance it won't work, whether tradition or Western.




Very good post. It quite expresses what i think. Yes, really it's true that so called "sientific" medicine almost ignores mind/body problem and the doctors don't understand that it's alive human body before them but not a material object. But the main flaw of oriental medicine is that it is full with mythes of any kinds which is not very good too and these mythes don't help process of curing but give obstacles to this process becoz many ill men started to absorb these believes.

Albertina
09-03-2008, 23:59
Very good post. It quite expresses what i think. Yes, really it's true that so called "sientific" medicine almost ignores mind/body problem and the doctors don't understand that it's alive human body before them but not a material object. But the main flaw of oriental medicine is that it is full with mythes of any kinds which is not very good too and these mythes don't help process of curing but give obstacles to this process becoz many ill men started to absorb these believes.

This, as you pejoratively, call it 'scientific' medicine will help you save the body. SO that you can have the connection with the soul. I'd like to see how the connection b/w body and soul would help you even with appendecites. Let's be honest, the alternative medicine is an easy money! No need for 10 years of studying, tests, research, approvals from FDA, patents, skills, experience. No, just bullshit others with whatever someone in Beijing or Delhi said 5000 years ago, when the life expectancy was 28 years - right?! Geeze. Have you been to India or China?! They do great and cheap Botox injections there :D

Korotky Gennady
10-03-2008, 19:09
This, as you pejoratively, call it 'scientific' medicine will help you save the body. SO that you can have the connection with the soul. I'd like to see how the connection b/w body and soul would help you even with appendecites. Let's be honest, the alternative medicine is an easy money! No need for 10 years of studying, tests, research, approvals from FDA, patents, skills, experience. No, just bullshit others with whatever someone in Beijing or Delhi said 5000 years ago, when the life expectancy was 28 years - right?! Geeze. Have you been to India or China?! They do great and cheap Botox injections there :D

Dear Alberta, I like your aproach to this problem... :cheerleader: And really i don't give a f..ck what the ancient chinese dude said five thousands years ago when - as you noticed absolutly right - the average longevity of life was about 30 years only. But i meant in my post something else... I meant that the scientific medicine have the mistakes in its aproach to the human health too. It doesn't consider the link between the body and mind (soul) in the human organism and it is not right too. For example the phychoanalists of some fruedian strands emphasize that this link exists too... And the state of our mind (soul, spirit) enfluences the state of our body :11513: and the opposite thing exists too... The state of our body have impact on the state of our mind. :11513:

And many russian non-traditional healers i spoke to... told that this is the main mistake of the western scientific medicine. :cheerleader:

MissAnnElk
10-03-2008, 19:23
Well, yeah . . . let's not be silly. Hygiene standards have improved a lot, as has nutrition. Women used to die in childbirth, too, all because docs didn't wash their hands (resulted in what was known as "childbed fever.") Obviously antibiotics and surgery have their place. I'm not going to think positive thoughts and hope my appendix decides not to rupture.

My point was that herbs, etc. can be misused . . . but used properly, they can be part of a reasonable course of treatment.

Everything in moderation.

kirk10071
10-03-2008, 19:26
Tonight, while watching the "Magic of Ten" quiz show, I learned that 60% of Russians practice some sort of traditional medicine. File under "news you can use."