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Armoured
21-01-2015, 15:36
So who is still on the gold standard?

Couldn't you say 'all have failed that tried to stick with gold'?

Come on, Wally: you can't name one country still on the gold standard? _One_ that has been able to stay on it?

FatAndy
21-01-2015, 15:41
I like discounts! :cool:

http://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10941430_803438053059836_5616215203262369421_n.jpg?oh=e6965af3d53fe83ab2438ad9f3881cbf&oe=556804D2

TolkoRaz
21-01-2015, 15:44
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/01/20/russian-oil-giant-gazprom-downgraded-by-moodys/?partner=yahootix

Another downgrade. This is getting boringly routine these days. .

Not dissimilar to your posts then! :10301:

Armoured
21-01-2015, 15:50
The USA was on the Gold standard when the Great Depression hit, wasn't it?

Yes. And basically, taking USA off the gold standard made things better. In fact, the point of recovery for most countries in Great Depression is when they decided to go off.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2015/01/16/376967946/episode-253-gold-standard-r-i-p

Russian Lad
21-01-2015, 18:26
of ones democratic responsibilities. Only claiming authority without accepting responsibility does not work. and the statement, well it is anyway all decided already, or my one voice does not count anyway, is a cheap excuse.

Not sure what you are on about. At this point it is not my country (in the sense of governance), so I don't care about municipal elections - it seems to be quite logical to me. Bigger elections - they have zero trust from me, I don't trust Churov and his crew. So, I am concentrated on learning about the economic situation. I want it to get much worse. I want to see bankruptcies, massive layoffs, exorbitant prices, maybe deficits of certain goods and items, empty shelves. I want to see many restaurants ruined and closed, their chefs - mercilessly fired. It looks like I will not have to wait for long. Hohoho. I am enjoying this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfI1vfyw1M8

Uncle Wally
21-01-2015, 19:23
Not sure what you are on about. At this point it is not my country (in the sense of governance), so I don't care about municipal elections - it seems to be quite logical to me. Bigger elections - they have zero trust from me, I don't trust Churov and his crew. So, I am concentrated on learning about the economic situation. I want it to get much worse. I want to see bankruptcies, massive layoffs, exorbitant prices, maybe deficits of certain goods and items, empty shelves. I want to see many restaurants ruined and closed, their chefs - mercilessly fired. It looks like I will not have to wait for long. Hohoho. I am enjoying this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfI1vfyw1M8



I want to see all translators out of work and starving, so hungry they have no strength to type and no money for internet connection.

zzhhst
21-01-2015, 19:56
I want to see all translators out of work and starving, so hungry they have no strength to type and no money for internet connection.

You Fellas are getting mean peace brothers!!!!! After the depression you could not buy gold until the late 60's. It is a very interesting topic. However, Wally Russia is on the gold standard. The black gold standard. That is the big problem. Not the Western sanctions.

nicklcool
21-01-2015, 21:12
Does America have double-digit inflation? How many banks in the US have received bailouts recently?

:11513:

Yes, Fenrir, Yes, it does. Tricky Dick Bill Clinton removed food and oil prices from the main inflation indicator, so just like the useless unemployment indicator (that does not count those working PT who really want FT work or those who gave up looking for work who really want to work - I think this indicator is called U5??), the official US inflation indicator is useless!
United States Consumer Price Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

tonytony
21-01-2015, 21:22
I like discounts! :cool:

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What on earth is that meat that it costs 6,450 roubles per kilo??

I see that it's from Japan, but even so 6,450 roubles per kilo??

nicklcool
21-01-2015, 21:41
What on earth is that meat that it costs 6,450 roubles per kilo??

I see that it's from Japan, but even so 6,450 roubles per kilo??

Good lord, those are some beautifully expensive apples :ignore:

TolkoRaz
21-01-2015, 22:09
What on earth is that meat that it costs 6,450 roubles per kilo??

I see that it's from Japan, but even so 6,450 roubles per kilo??

Apples, not meat! :whisper:

nicklcool
22-01-2015, 01:09
Russia is on the gold standard. The black gold standard. That is the big problem. Not the Western sanctions.

YOu've gotta wonder how big a problem it is. I've been thinking about this lately; how much different is it for Russia's economy to be so reliable on natural resources vs. America's economy being so reliant on consumer [debt] purchases?? The fundamentals of USA's economy is consumption; if people do not keep taking out loans to buy more stuff stuff stuff, the economy does not do well. At least with Russia the citizens are not incurring debt when the economy is humming along.

Has anyone seen some of the articles about the US Auto market?? Maybe this is yet one more bubble to burst, after housing in 2007-2008 :jawdrop:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/car-loans-see-rise-in-missed-payments-1420768083
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/24/miss-a-payment-good-luck-moving-that-car/?_r=0

Uncle Wally
22-01-2015, 02:33
YOu've gotta wonder how big a problem it is. I've been thinking about this lately; how much different is it for Russia's economy to be so reliable on natural resources vs. America's economy being so reliant on consumer [debt] purchases?? The fundamentals of USA's economy is consumption; if people do not keep taking out loans to buy more stuff stuff stuff, the economy does not do well. At least with Russia the citizens are not incurring debt when the economy is humming along.

Has anyone seen some of the articles about the US Auto market?? Maybe this is yet one more bubble to burst, after housing in 2007-2008 :jawdrop:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/car-loans-see-rise-in-missed-payments-1420768083
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/24/miss-a-payment-good-luck-moving-that-car/?_r=0




I did hear awhile back that they were giving out too many car loans to people who should never get them. That and GM is now concentrating on China as car sales in the US drop.

Russian Lad
22-01-2015, 03:43
I want to see all translators out of work and starving, so hungry they have no strength to type and no money for internet connection.

You would not believe it, but I partially agree with it. Of course I will try to avoid it for myself, but for some of them - yes. For those who support the current lay of the land here. See, I don't deserve it because I don't support the current Russian policies (many translators do support them). And I actually suffer much less than them even now - when I told some of my colleagues to go buy euros or dollars a year ago most just laughed at me. They are not laughing anymore, many of them look sad and already suffering from malnutrition. Especially those who are paid only in rubles. :9437::watching:


At least with Russia the citizens are not incurring debt when the economy is humming along.

What exactly are you talking about? In 2013 the Russians owed to banks 1.2 TRILLION rubles just for mortgages: http://www.bankist.ru/article/070114/1982/

Armoured
22-01-2015, 09:45
Tricky Dick Bill Clinton removed food and oil prices from the main inflation indicator, so just like the useless unemployment indicator (that does not count those working PT who really want FT work or those who gave up looking for work who really want to work - I think this indicator is called U5??), the official US inflation indicator is useless!

Wrong on both counts. Both CPI and PCE include food and energy. There is a 'core' version of both which removes these, but it's not used for much except by the Fed.

And unemployment indicators are published - the one you're referring to is U6. Even though it remains in double-digits, it has fallen dramatically since 2009 and is about 11%.

http://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate

americaninmoscow
22-01-2015, 10:14
And unemployment indicators are published - the one you're referring to is U6. Even though it remains in double-digits, it has fallen dramatically since 2009 and is about 11%.

http://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate


John Williams would say that is a good start but you should go one step further.

http://www.shadowstats.com

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts



The seasonally-adjusted SGS Alternate Unemployment Rate reflects current unemployment reporting methodology adjusted for SGS-estimated long-term discouraged workers, who were defined out of official existence in 1994. That estimate is added to the BLS estimate of U-6 unemployment, which includes short-term discouraged workers.

The U-3 unemployment rate is the monthly headline number. The U-6 unemployment rate is the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ (BLS) broadest unemployment measure, including short-term discouraged and other marginally-attached workers as well as those forced to work part-time because they cannot find full-time employment.

http://www.shadowstats.com/imgs/sgs-emp.gif?hl=ad&t=1420817860

Armoured
22-01-2015, 10:23
John Williams would say that is a good start but you should go one step further.

Ah, the old "we want our own facts" approach.

Fantastika
22-01-2015, 10:43
Ah, the old "we want our own facts" approach.

Ami-in-Moscow is giving you the facts - I think you are relying on what the pro-Obama biased media spoon-feeds you.

Obama is diddling with the GDP numbers, "adjusting" the unemployment numbers, and deflating the inflation stats.

I already explained the GDP and Unemployment adjustments on page 2 of the thread " Bad News Willy-Wally. USA Once Again Leads The Global Economy."

As far as inflation goes, massive swings in the price of gasoline have no effect on "official" inflation figures, and massive increases in health-care insurance premiums also have no effect, so, yes, the US inflation figures are a joke. It is a good method to explain to older Americans, "The inflation rate is zero! So you will get no increase in your pension." (Even though your health-care premium (withheld from your pension) has doubled).

FatAndy
22-01-2015, 11:03
:emote_popcorn:

Armoured
22-01-2015, 11:07
As far as inflation goes, massive swings in the price of gasoline have no effect on "official" inflation figures...

Why do you think this?

http://www.dallasfed.org/research/pce/2014/pce1410.cfm


The headline, or all-items, PCE price index increased at a modest 0.7 percent annualized rate in October, similar to September’s 1 percent annualized rate—both increases round to 0.1 percent at a monthly rate. A sharp drop in the price of gasoline (3.1 percent from September to October) was a significant drag on the headline rate, subtracting about 1.2 annualized percentage points.

Gasoline is very much included.

Fantastika
22-01-2015, 18:16
C'mon, Armoured, I know you're smarter than that. You must know this:

To measure the cost of living for consumers and come up with the Consumer Price Index, the Bureau of Labor Statistics prices everything consumers spend money on. Then all of the expenditures are categorized and weighted based on the amount that the average consumer spends on those categories. The percentage change from month to month is the rate of inflation, and it's usually expressed as an annualized number.

The all-items inflation rate represents everything people spend money on: haircuts, plane tickets, medical care, clothes -- you name it. But, that number is puffed up by the pesky necessities -- food and energy. So those two categories are discarded when calculating the core inflation rate.

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/personal-finance/is-inflation-higher-than-you-think-1.aspx#ixzz3PYyZ1iME

"In the past 10 years the price of beef has gone up not 3-4 % as they would have us believe but more like 100% and more."

ALERT--ALERT--The price of AIR is stable--no inflationary increase! WOW--AT LEAST SOMETHING HAS STAYED THE SAME--MAYBE THE GOV'T HASN'T THOUGHT OF IT YET! :) :)

(Whoops, forgot about the Carbon tax)... :9451:

Fantastika
22-01-2015, 19:01
What exactly are you talking about? In 2013 the Russians owed to banks 1.2 TRILLION rubles just for mortgages: http://www.bankist.ru/article/070114/1982/

Trying to make an impression with the TRILLION number? 1.2 trillion rubles is about 60 billion dollars. If each Mortgage is $100,000, that covers only about 600,000 homes and apartments, at $50,000 per mortgage, a little over a million habitations.

Or, contrast $60 billion in Russian mortgage debt with $8.3 trillion mortgage debt in USA, over 130x as much indebtedness.

Nobbynumbnuts
22-01-2015, 19:02
C'mon, Armoured, I know you're smarter than that. You must know this:

To measure the cost of living for consumers and come up with the Consumer Price Index, the Bureau of Labor Statistics prices everything consumers spend money on. Then all of the expenditures are categorized and weighted based on the amount that the average consumer spends on those categories. The percentage change from month to month is the rate of inflation, and it's usually expressed as an annualized number.

The all-items inflation rate represents everything people spend money on: haircuts, plane tickets, medical care, clothes -- you name it. But, that number is puffed up by the pesky necessities -- food and energy. So those two categories are discarded when calculating the core inflation rate.

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/personal-finance/is-inflation-higher-than-you-think-1.aspx#ixzz3PYyZ1iME

"In the past 10 years the price of beef has gone up not 3-4 % as they would have us believe but more like 100% and more."

ALERT--ALERT--The price of AIR is stable--no inflationary increase! WOW--AT LEAST SOMETHING HAS STAYED THE SAME--MAYBE THE GOV'T HASN'T THOUGHT OF IT YET! :) :)

(Whoops, forgot about the Carbon tax)... :9451:

The issue with energy prices is, if they go up everything else goes up in price. Businesses are subject to transportation costs, heating, lighting etc etc. Especially transportation costs though. This will over time reflect in higher consumer prices.

Fantastika
22-01-2015, 19:34
The issue with energy prices is, if they go up everything else goes up in price. Businesses are subject to transportation costs, heating, lighting etc etc. Especially transportation costs though. This will over time reflect in higher consumer prices.

Right, and everything in my business is transported, everything I sell on EBay, Amazon or Bonanza.

Hmmm...waiting for the Post Office, or Fedex, or UPS, to reduce their rates because of savings on transportation costs...still waiting....waiting...

Nobbynumbnuts
22-01-2015, 19:46
Right, and everything in my business is transported, everything I sell on EBay, Amazon or Bonanza.

Hmmm...waiting for the Post Office, or Fedex, or UPS, to reduce their rates because of savings on transportation costs...still waiting....waiting...

EBay, Amazon or Bonanza are still only a small percentage of the overall consumer market. AND products that are sold on those websites still have to be shipped to the warehouse and then shipped to the purchaser. The only real saving for online outlets is bricks and mortar (rents etc.) not really transport.

I didn't say companies always reduce prices when energy costs go down, that's pretty self evident why not and it's more difficult for governments watchdogs to make the case that they should considering transportation is only a percentage of their fixed costs, which are often difficult to estimate.

fenrir
22-01-2015, 20:35
http://news.yahoo.com/russian-bond-auction-flops-194941219.html

fenrir
22-01-2015, 20:37
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/major-russian-state-news-agency-tass-cutting-staff-salaries-20-source/514785.html

FatAndy
22-01-2015, 21:32
How Terrible Is To Live...©

Armoured
22-01-2015, 22:43
The all-items inflation rate represents everything people spend money on: haircuts, plane tickets, medical care, clothes -- you name it. But, that number is puffed up by the pesky necessities -- food and energy. So those two categories are discarded when calculating the core inflation rate.[/I]

I don't get what you think is the big surprise here. They specifically explain what the all-items inflation (PCE) is. And they explain what the core inflation rate is. They're quite open about this.

And they're used for different things - mainly to provide people with different and useful information. Mainly, core inflation is less volatile, but over long term they tend to be the same (because costs for the volatile items also feed into costs for other things).

You seem to think it's a weird secret or a plot or something.

So what exactly do you think the issue is?

Fantastika
23-01-2015, 00:25
I don't get what you think is the big surprise here. They specifically explain what the all-items inflation (PCE) is. And they explain what the core inflation rate is. They're quite open about this.


Another load of stuff you don't anything whatsoever about.


And they're used for different things - mainly to provide people with different and useful information.


Hello, the US government does NOT use the other inflation numbers to calculate the official rate of inflation. You are trying to say that the other 5 indicators of inflation are the real numbers, when the government does NOT use these to calculate inflation.


"Mainly, core inflation is less volatile, but over long term they tend to be the same (because costs for the volatile items also feed into costs for other things)."


That's gobbledygook. "They"? Who "they"? "Other things"? What "other things"?

The Federal Government must pay cost of living adjustments (COLAs) for many programs, such as for social security and other pensions. The same Federal Government (the Bureau of Labor Statistics) is also in charge of measuring changes in the cost of living. In other words: the Feds are obligated to pay more if the cost of living goes up - and the Feds stand to gain substantially by reporting the smallest possible change in the cost of living. That is a clear-cut conflict of interest. They use several tricks to make the cost of living appear small. It is bad enough for the little person that food and energy prices are excluded. The stated reason is volatility. That is a true but highly misleading story. The real reason is because if they (the Feds) acknowledged that prices are going up, then they would have to pay out more to Federal workers and pensioners. "Volatility" is an excuse for neglecting those elements that are going up and would trigger cost of living adjustments. If the Feds wanted to eliminate the effects of volatility, they could simply average energy and food prices over longer periods of time. If they did that, the volatility would average out - but the consistent and continuing increase in these costs would be reflected in the cost of living - and would force the Feds to pay out more. Lots more. So, it is convenient to use volatility as the excuse to neglect price increases in food and energy, which prevents larger cost of living adjustments, and thus keeps Federal expenditures down. Otherwise, the Federal budget and deficit would increase even faster than they do already. The cruel part of this "deal" is that when food and fuel costs go up but pay and pensions stay the same, it is the little guy who has to eat less - hunger more - and heat less - freeze more. Workers in low pay grades and pensioners suffer the most because food and fuel consume a large share of their income. If income stays the same while prices go up, then it gets more and more difficult to make ends meet. That is unfair, regressive, and may well upset the social bargain. But, fear not: the average pay is going up, way up for those in top management and in the right places in banks and investment houses - the bonus babies. To them it matters little or not at all if food and energy get more expensive - that is only a tiny portion of their huge incomes. So, it seems that things are on average - except that few are doing well while the vast majority suffers more and longer.

Armoured, this is a waste of my time.

shurale
23-01-2015, 08:35
Poles will be happy? :eh:


We can have a democratic poll among them Poles.
"There are currently 73,000 Polish nationals living in the Russian Federation."


Me, nothing new. Am far from laughing though. They have all the reasons to be worried.

They will be pleased by Russian bortsch, pelmeni and bliny with caviar they will be able to fill their bellies with

Armoured
23-01-2015, 10:16
The Federal Government must pay cost of living adjustments (COLAs) for many programs, such as for social security and other pensions. ... It is bad enough for the little person that food and energy prices are excluded.

That is simply wrong. The inflation indices used for Social Security, etc., most emphatically do include food and energy prices. This can be verified by anyone in ten seconds googling. Core inflation - the one that excludes these - is not used for indexing social security payments.

Of course, if you believe it's all faked, little things like facts aren't going to convince you.

Russian Lad
23-01-2015, 11:47
How Terrible Is To Live...©

In Russia... The government has advised the Russians to prepare themselves for massive layoffs: http://lenta.ru/news/2015/01/23/shuvalovcrisis/

fenrir
23-01-2015, 11:48
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/no-money-eat-less-united-russia-lawmaker-advises-/514808.html

The sanctions are a joke, right? LOL!

Russian Lad
23-01-2015, 11:50
If Andy eats less he will not be able to afford his brandname FatAndy anymore. This is not right and not correct. :eh:

Uncle Wally
23-01-2015, 12:08
That is simply wrong. The inflation indices used for Social Security, etc., most emphatically do include food and energy prices. This can be verified by anyone in ten seconds googling. Core inflation - the one that excludes these - is not used for indexing social security payments.

Of course, if you believe it's all faked, little things like facts aren't going to convince you.



Facts never convince you why should they convince her?

Uncle Wally
23-01-2015, 12:09
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/no-money-eat-less-united-russia-lawmaker-advises-/514808.html

The sanctions are a joke, right? LOL!



No you're the joke, a bad one.

Uncle Wally
23-01-2015, 12:13
If Andy eats less he will not be able to afford his brandname FatAndy anymore. This is not right and not correct. :eh:



Hopefully with his last strength he can delete your post.

Uncle Wally
23-01-2015, 12:20
We can have a democratic poll among them Poles.
"There are currently 73,000 Polish nationals living in the Russian Federation."



They will be pleased by Russian bortsch, pelmeni and bliny with caviar they will be able to fill their bellies with




There's a Polish invasion! Quick get your joke books ready!

Armoured
23-01-2015, 13:17
No you're the joke, a bad one.

Another highly witty response. Good one. I think you really showed him what-for there.

Closing by saying that he's not just a joke, but a bad one, really shuts things down by making clear that he's not a 'good joke.' That might otherwise have been ambiguous. Using the word 'bad' definitely brings it home that it's a negative thing you're trying to say.

Fantastika
23-01-2015, 13:39
That is simply wrong. The inflation indices used for Social Security, etc., most emphatically do include food and energy prices. This can be verified by anyone in ten seconds googling. Core inflation - the one that excludes these - is not used for indexing social security payments.

Of course, if you believe it's all faked, little things like facts aren't going to convince you.

This is moronic.

Wikipedia:
The core CPI index excludes goods with high price volatility, such as food and energy. This measure of core inflation systematically excludes food and energy prices...
...
The CPI is still used for many purposes, for example, for indexing social security.

Your "facts" are fairy tales and fiction. Your knowledge of USA is as solid as macaroni after 3 days in hot water.

Armoured
23-01-2015, 13:57
This is moronic.

Wikipedia:
The core CPI index excludes goods with high price volatility, such as food and energy. This measure of core inflation systematically excludes food and energy prices...
...
The CPI is still used for many purposes, for example, for indexing social security.


You have misread or wiki is insufficiently clear. The 'all-in' CPI is used to index social security, _not_ the core CPI.

http://www.bls.gov/dolfaq/bls_ques1.htm

http://www.bls.gov/cpi/cpiqa.htm


Has the BLS removed food or energy prices in its official measure of inflation?
No. The BLS publishes thousands of CPI indexes each month, including the headline All Items CPI for All Urban Consumers (CPI-U) and the CPI-U for All Items Less Food and Energy. The latter series, widely referred to as the "core" CPI, is closely watched by many economic analysts and policymakers under the belief that food and energy prices are volatile and are subject to price shocks that cannot be damped through monetary policy. However, all consumer goods and services, including food and energy, are represented in the headline CPI.

Most importantly, none of the prominent legislated uses of the CPI excludes food and energy. Social security and federal retirement benefits are updated each year for inflation by the All Items CPI for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers (CPI-W). Individual income tax parameters and Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) returns are based on the All Items CPI-U.


Your "facts" are fairy tales and fiction. Your knowledge of USA is as solid as macaroni after 3 days in hot water.

Ummmm, no. See above. Don't get confused by the terminology - 'core' here does not mean it is the most widely used or used for indexing everything.

Uncle Wally
24-01-2015, 01:00
You have misread or wiki is insufficiently clear. The 'all-in' CPI is used to index social security, _not_ the core CPI.

http://www.bls.gov/dolfaq/bls_ques1.htm

http://www.bls.gov/cpi/cpiqa.htm





Ummmm, no. See above. Don't get confused by the terminology - 'core' here does not mean it is the most widely used or used for indexing everything.



What bull. They do not increase benefits every year. They were talking about cutting some because debt is so high.

americaninmoscow
24-01-2015, 02:10
In Russia... The government has advised the Russians to prepare themselves for massive layoffs: http://lenta.ru/news/2015/01/23/shuvalovcrisis/

Oh, yea.... It's coming!

Fantastika
24-01-2015, 02:11
You have misread or wiki is insufficiently clear. The 'all-in' CPI is used to index social security, _not_ the core CPI.
...
Ummmm, no. See above. Don't get confused by the terminology - 'core' here does not mean it is the most widely used or used for indexing everything.

I'll repeat it for slow learners:

Wikipedia:
The core CPI index excludes goods with high price volatility, such as food and energy. This measure of core inflation systematically excludes food and energy prices...
...
The CPI is still used for many purposes, for example, for indexing social security.

Which word don't you understand?

Russian Lad
24-01-2015, 09:16
Just a humble reminder - we are discussing the current situation in Russia here, Fantastika, I am sure they miss you on many American forums.
Bought some dollars yesterday, exchanged some of my euros. What is funny, they gave me the old 100 banknotes and the new ones as well, with the blue strip. The cashier was an ageing cougar. I told her: "Thank you, I liked it, can I come back tomorrow?" She goes:"But I will not be here tomorrow!" I take it she wanted me right there, hohoho. :yikes:

Fantastika
24-01-2015, 18:01
Just a humble reminder - we are discussing the current situation in Russia here, Fantastika, I am sure they miss you on many American forums.
Bought some dollars yesterday, exchanged some of my euros. What is funny, they gave me the old 100 banknotes and the new ones as well, with the blue strip. The cashier was an ageing cougar. I told her: "Thank you, I liked it, can I come back tomorrow?" She goes:"But I will not be here tomorrow!" I take it she wanted me right there, hohoho. :yikes:

I'm not the European caught in an alternate reality who thinks he is an expert on all things American and insists on "correcting" anyone's posting about American stuff.

Yes, the American money is starting to resemble play money with its pretty colors and anti-counterfeiting gimmicks that the counterfeiters can probably figure out how to duplicate a few days after the new bills appear.

BTW, the passing away of the Saudi King is going to throw a monkey wrench into your plans to profit from holding the dollar. Bush and the King were good buddies. When the King visited George Bush at his Texas ranch, he held hands with Bush, signifying Islamic deference to him as the guardian, the protector, of the Kingdom. The US supported Saudi Arabia, against rival Iran.

Obama had no such personal relationship with the king. Barack is just not a personable guy, and does not make friends with other world leaders. He has lately been leaning toward supporting Iran and away from the House of Saud. He also seems to have an active dislike of the leader of Isreal.

So what does this portend for the Middle East, the price of oil, and the financial (and secret weapons) war the US is waging in Ukraine? Which of the 45 sons of the old King will be the new King? I don't know, but it's like I said last month, 2015 is going to be a wild ride.

And Wall Street is getting as volatile as a Saturn 5 moon rocket just before blastoff. Wither the dollar?

......................

Geez, no. She was saying "I won't be here tomorrow (and if I see you coming, I'll run out the back door!)"

Russian Lad
24-01-2015, 18:16
Fantastika, I did tell you it is a thread about the Russian economy. You sound like a broken record.
Wonder if the ruble is gonna be hit hard on Monday, due to today's events. I certainly hope so, either that or they keep burning billions. Either way is excellent. They are making one dire mistake after another. It is a sheer pleasure to observe.

Armoured
24-01-2015, 18:27
I'm not the European caught in an alternate reality who thinks he is an expert on all things American and insists on "correcting" anyone's posting about American stuff.

I think you have the FantastiBubble on too high a setting. I know you want to exclude from your world all facts that contradict your worldview, but it seems now to be cutting off the air.

Again, here are the facts from SSA:
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/news/cola/


What is a cost-of-living adjustment (COLA)?
The purpose of the COLA ... . It is based on the percentage increase in the Consumer Price Index for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers (CPI-W)
...
Who determines the CPI-W?
The CPI-W is determined by the Bureau of Labor Statistics in the Department of Labor. By law, it is the official measure used by the Social Security Administration to calculate COLAs.

I quoted the BLS and now the SSA. The CPI-W is not the core CPI, and authoritative sources show, the CPI-W includes food and energy.


Fantastika, I did tell you it is a thread about the Russian economy. You sound like a broken record.

RL, I apologise; I'm done with this particular sideshow. As has been shown here many times, Fantastika just posts Fantastischite! (TM), and has no credibility on any subject whatsoever.

Fantastika
24-01-2015, 18:30
Fantastika, I did tell you it is a thread about the Russian economy. You sound like a broken record.
Wonder if the ruble is gonna be hit hard on Monday, due to today's events. I certainly hope so, either that or they keep burning billions. Either way is excellent. They are making one dire mistake after another. It is a sheer pleasure to observe.

If you look at the thread, you and several other people, brought up US stuff before I did.

"Lost and Found Dept." - Lost - Russian Lad's memory. :)

PJB
24-01-2015, 20:57
It's very interesting that on every thread that is about Russia the discussion always changes to "awful America". Hmmmmm..............:confused:

fenrir
24-01-2015, 21:06
It's very interesting that on every thread that is about Russia the discussion always changes to "awful America". Hmmmmm..............:confused:

That's because there is a dedicated pro-Russian element that has run out of ways to intelligently discuss Russia's problems and who have their collective heads in the sand, so what better than to deflect every issue to America?

Russian Lad
24-01-2015, 21:13
who have their collective heads in the sand

Looks more like gore than sand to me... Wonder at what point some of them might realize it.

PJB
24-01-2015, 21:17
That's because there is a dedicated pro-Russian element that has run out of ways to intelligently discuss Russia's problems and who have their collective heads in the sand, so what better than to deflect every issue to America?

You'd think they'd try to make it look more genuine (and intelligent) by once in a while throwing in a logical comparison to some other country. Maybe the evil New Zealand? ;)

FatAndy
24-01-2015, 21:38
If Andy eats less he will not be able to afford his brandname FatAndy anymore. This is not right and not correct. :eh:
Sure. That's why I keep my habits. But you and fenrir may continue to read horror stories.:rasta:


Hopefully with his last strength he can delete your post.
Why? Here is managed democracy with appropriate freedom of speech. ;)

Fantastika
24-01-2015, 22:29
PJB (who doesn't know a single Cheshire Cat quote), Armour-all (the British expert on America), Russian Infant, I'll leave you tots to squabble amongst yourselves in the sandbox without adult supervision.

Uncle Wally
24-01-2015, 22:54
That's because there is a dedicated pro-Russian element that has run out of ways to intelligently discuss Russia's problems and who have their collective heads in the sand, so what better than to deflect every issue to America?



No it's Russians who should decide which problems they need to take care of. They don't need some wise ass punk American guy living in Estonia telling them anything. Like he knows $hit.

Russian Lad
24-01-2015, 23:20
But you and fenrir may continue to read horror stories.

Like this one? http://eeas.europa.eu/statements-eeas/2015/150124_01_en.htm

PJB
25-01-2015, 05:01
No it's Russians who should decide which problems they need to take care of. They don't need some wise ass punk American guy living in Estonia telling them anything. Like he knows $hit.

So The Expat forum should not have expats. It should become the Anti Expat forum!

Uncle Wally
25-01-2015, 08:52
So The Expat forum should not have expats. It should become the Anti Expat forum!



How do you get that out of what I said?

Please explain.

fenrir
25-01-2015, 10:38
No it's Russians who should decide which problems they need to take care of. They don't need some wise ass punk American guy living in Estonia telling them anything. Like he knows $hit.

I agree that Russians should decide which problems they need to take care of but they can't because that is being done for them by a lying, murderous few, most of whom were unelected (Putin's inner circle).

Regarding your idiotic comment, it's a bit rich considering Russians comment on other countries and their politics/situations ALL the time. I'm not going anywhere, so get used to it.

And talking about who knows what, coming from a guy who thinks all is well in Russia right now based on what he sees in a few cafes and bars, who adamantly believes in the gold standard against all the accumulated evidence, who is an ardent believer of conspiracy theories and bases his opinions on what 'information' he gleans from fringe websites, whose understanding of basic economics and even the history of the region is laughable, well, you can't expect most of us here to take you very seriously.

Armoured
25-01-2015, 10:51
Back to the original topic: Gaidar forum and Davos make it pretty clear that there are serious problems in the economy.

I'm sure some have seen happy, laughing people in bars and cafes.

What I hear and have heard from friends and contacts - none with a political agenda - is widespread comments that they are seeing prices going up in ways that shock them in the last few weeks.

About three-quarters of those I've talked to it about have said that they are cutting back, delaying purchases, and reviewing their lifestyles.

Some of these changes have been very serious and painful: like changing plans for their kids' schooling, and in a few cases, delaying important medical decisions because of cost. (The better clinics in Moscow seem to charge in fixed dollar or Euro amounts).

There's also a lot of worry about jobs and fear of being laid off.

Uncle Wally
25-01-2015, 12:52
I agree that Russians should decide which problems they need to take care of but they can't because that is being done for them by a lying, murderous few, most of whom were unelected (Putin's inner circle).

Regarding your idiotic comment, it's a bit rich considering Russians comment on other countries and their politics/situations ALL the time. I'm not going anywhere, so get used to it.

And talking about who knows what, coming from a guy who thinks all is well in Russia right now based on what he sees in a few cafes and bars, who adamantly believes in the gold standard against all the accumulated evidence, who is an ardent believer of conspiracy theories and bases his opinions on what 'information' he gleans from fringe websites, whose understanding of basic economics and even the history of the region is laughable, well, you can't expect most of us here to take you very seriously.



Accumulated evidence? If you looked at history as far back as Rome you would see that everyone that went off the gold standard went the same way. Wars, diluted currency then failure.

Your beloved government has been caught lying time and again yet that fact somehow goes right over your head. So that's why I don't take you very seriously.

fenrir
25-01-2015, 13:08
Accumulated evidence? If you looked at history as far back as Rome you would see that everyone that went off the gold standard went the same way. Wars, diluted currency then failure.

Your beloved government has been caught lying time and again yet that fact somehow goes right over your head. So that's why I don't take you very seriously.

ALL governments lie, dude. Do you think Kremlin Inc. don't? Save your idiotic and infantile gold arguments for some fool you might be able to convince. No one else is buying that tripe here. Why hasn't Russia switched over to the gold standard to save itself? In fact, why hasn't it been on the gold standard all along to show how Russia is right and everyone else has got it all wrong?

FatAndy
25-01-2015, 13:16
Fenrir, chill down a bit. Please.

bydand
25-01-2015, 15:29
Fenrir, chill down a bit. Please.

Why? He might upset Wally?:yellowcard:

FatAndy
25-01-2015, 15:34
Why? He might upset Wally?:yellowcard:
Nah. Wally might upset him. ;)

Uncle Wally
25-01-2015, 20:54
ALL governments lie, dude. Do you think Kremlin Inc. don't? Save your idiotic and infantile gold arguments for some fool you might be able to convince. No one else is buying that tripe here. Why hasn't Russia switched over to the gold standard to save itself? In fact, why hasn't it been on the gold standard all along to show how Russia is right and everyone else has got it all wrong?


All governments don't kill as many people as the US government does. All governments aren't trying to take over the rest of the world. Russia will adopt the gold standard but it will take time and when the time is right they will. You should really read up on history, I find it much better than American sitcoms.

Uncle Wally
25-01-2015, 20:59
[QUOTE=FatAndy;1393890]Nah. Wally might upset him. ;)[/QUOT


Don't worry I took out all my aggression beating up three Tajik in a food court tonight. Lost a front tooth or half of it anyway but it felt good.

Russian Lad
25-01-2015, 21:11
Don't worry I took out all my aggression beating up three Tajik in a food court tonight. Lost a front tooth or half of it anyway but it felt good.

Tell us more, we want more grizzly details. Or you are making it up, just as the rest of the sh.?

Carl
25-01-2015, 21:26
[QUOTE=FatAndy;1393890]Nah. Wally might upset him. ;)[/QUOT


Don't worry I took out all my aggression beating up three Tajik in a food court tonight. Lost a front tooth or half of it anyway but it felt good.

Don't tell us.... You know karate too?

TolkoRaz
25-01-2015, 21:42
Don't worry I took out all my aggression beating up three Tajik in a food court tonight. Lost a front tooth or half of it anyway but it felt good.



Hey Uncle Wally, did you drum them to death? ;) How did the 'beat' go? :D

BTW, has anybody ever told you it is wrong to beat up Tajik ladies! ;)

Uncle Wally
25-01-2015, 22:03
Tell us more, we want more grizzly details. Or you are making it up, just as the rest of the sh.?



I came back from taking a pee and this guy was talking to my girlfriend. She looked very upset when I got back so I wasn't too nice to this guy right off. He thought he was cool because his two friends were at the table behind him. When I told him that just because his mother was a prostitute it didn't mean all women are he got mad. Go figure? At this point my girlfriend stood up and I looked at her for just a second to tell her to sit down that's when he got me in the mouth with a right. I was shocked for a second then spit my tooth out at him and he laughed. He threw his head back and laughed. That's when I jabbed my two fingers into his eyes as his head came back. He freaking screamed really loud and the whole food court went silent. He grabbed his eyes and bent forward and I hit him again in the throat and he fell. His friends got up and one started to come towards me and I backed up a few steps then took one step back at him and punted. He tried to close his legs but I went to a toe kick and caught him in the balls anyway. He just grab his nuts and his face went red. The third one went to his friend who is on the floor to check on him. I told my girlfriend let's go and that's when two young Russian guys at another table stood up and started to applaud. I went to the last guy who was looking at his friend on the floor and punched in the head. I told my girlfriend again let's go! She was worried about the food on the table. The young Russian guys came running after us and wanted to shake my hand because these guys they said were there for a long time drinking and that the last guy and his girlfriend that sat there just left, the guy didn't say a thing to them.

Uncle Wally
25-01-2015, 22:07
Hey Uncle Wally, did you drum them to death? ;) How did the 'beat' go? :D

BTW, has anybody ever told you it is wrong to beat up Tajik ladies! ;)




One of them is now a lady or at least he ain't as much of a man.

Uncle Wally
25-01-2015, 22:12
[quote=Uncle Wally;1393953]

Don't tell us.... You know karate too?



No I grew up in Lynn Mass in the 1960's I was stabbed two times before I was 9. The first time I cried the second time I kicked his ass.


Then I joined the army as cavalry scout and learn how to kill people.

FatAndy
25-01-2015, 22:16
Don't tell us.... You know karate too?
Carate is a joke, never plays even against a simple spring from a tractor, don't speak about saber fighter...

TolkoRaz
25-01-2015, 22:59
[quote=Uncle Wally;1393953]

Don't tell us.... You know karate too?

I reckon he knows Karaoke! ;)

Uncle Wally
25-01-2015, 23:00
Carate is a joke, never plays even against a simple spring from a tractor, don't speak about saber fighter...


Ain't that the truth! Nothing like a go old kick in the nuts or a jab in the eye to say don't mess with me.


Movies are fake, if you try to do it like you saw in a movie then it ain't gonna work. I lost a freakin tooth because I lost focus for half second.



The last fight I got into in America was in a 7-11 at 3 in the morning. I went in to get a microwave burger after a day/night of riding my bike and smoking weed. There was this really big guy in there drunk and trying to steal all the sandwiches. I grabbed a burger and went to the counter but the lady asked me to wait so she could ring up him first. I put my burger on the counter to get money out and this guy tried to pocket my burger. It was the last one! So I said very nicely " excuses me but that is mind" and he said " oh you want to be an asshole" and I told him it was mine again and he said he was going to teach me not to butt in. He went out to the car where his friend was and I could see him emptying his pockets and telling his friend he would be right back. I was paying when he came back in and the woman at the counter told him she was going to call the police. He said "don't worry it won't take long". It didn't, when he turned to talk to the woman I backed up a few steps and when he turned back he saw I backed up and smiled. He came at me then I took two steps toward him and he got a puzzled look on his face because he thought I was afraid of him and that's why I backed up. He was about 6 or 8 inches taller than me and heavy. The kind of guy that bullied smaller people. I took two steps and kicked him as hard as I could with me toe right in his nuts. He went down and his friend came running in asking me to not beat him anymore. Funny because he was a little muscle man and I thought I would have to fight him next but he just helped his friend to the car. I just went back to getting my burger and the woman at the counter said she was the manager of the store and asked me to work there! She said I handle myself very well. I wasn't rude to the guy, I tried to be polite but stood my ground. I told her no thanks and left. I saw her a few weeks later and she told me the cops were looking for me because the guy who they had stopped a few blocks away had to go to the hospital and have an operation because I crushed his nuts.

Russian Lad
25-01-2015, 23:03
I came back from taking a pee and this guy was talking to my girlfriend. She looked very upset when I got back so I wasn't too nice to this guy right off. He thought he was cool because his two friends were at the table behind him. When I told him that just because his mother was a prostitute it didn't mean all women are he got mad. Go figure? At this point my girlfriend stood up and I looked at her for just a second to tell her to sit down that's when he got me in the mouth with a right. I was shocked for a second then spit my tooth out at him and he laughed. He threw his head back and laughed. That's when I jabbed my two fingers into his eyes as his head came back. He freaking screamed really loud and the whole food court went silent. He grabbed his eyes and bent forward and I hit him again in the throat and he fell. His friends got up and one started to come towards me and I backed up a few steps then took one step back at him and punted. He tried to close his legs but I went to a toe kick and caught him in the balls anyway. He just grab his nuts and his face went red. The third one went to his friend who is on the floor to check on him. I told my girlfriend let's go and that's when two young Russian guys at another table stood up and started to applaud. I went to the last guy who was looking at his friend on the floor and punched in the head. I told my girlfriend again let's go! She was worried about the food on the table. The young Russian guys came running after us and wanted to shake my hand because these guys they said were there for a long time drinking and that the last guy and his girlfriend that sat there just left, the guy didn't say a thing to them.

Nice-nice, we are all proud for you. However, who was telling us just yesterday there are a lot of happy and laughing people in Moscow bars?:cool: Myth busted (no pun intended, lol).
Advice: don't go to this bar anymore. They always come back, usually armed and in crowds. We all want you to keep posting your sh't here with both hands and intact in general.:) If all you said is true you are lucky you haven't seen a knife anyway.

Uncle Wally
25-01-2015, 23:25
Nice-nice, we are all proud for you. Howhever, who was telling us just yesterday there are a lot of happy and laughing people in Moscow bars?:cool: Myth busted.



These guys were not Russian. The young Russian guys that came up to me said that these guys were bothering everybody before I came and that nobody else did anything. I wouldn't have cared but they scared my girlfriend and I can't let that happen. Two months ago we were in Sarros and she went to the door first, I was a second behind her but this drunk guy saw her and opened the door for her then followed her out with me behind them. I went and stood next to her but said nothing and he asked is that your boyfriend? She said yes. This did not stop this guy! He asked both of us to go with him to another bar. She was not amused. I was laughing my ass off. He was drunk but understood and left but I had to listen to my girlfriend for sometime complain. He wasn't that bad. Fat little horny guy but not rude. This guy tonight was looking for trouble.


This was way out on the edge of Moscow where my girlfriend lives. The food court was full and that's why we sat near these jerks.
It was a food court in small mall with 100's of people young, old, families.

Russian Lad
25-01-2015, 23:28
It doesn't matter if they were Russian or not, it happened in a Moscow bar where everyone is happy and laughing, according to you. Just a reminder - you are not exactly Russian, either.:)

PJB
25-01-2015, 23:32
PJB (who doesn't know a single Cheshire Cat quote), Armour-all (the British expert on America), Russian Infant, I'll leave you tots to squabble amongst yourselves in the sandbox without adult supervision.

"Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality."

Jules de Gaultier

Uncle Wally
25-01-2015, 23:35
It doesn't matter if they were Russian or not, it happened in a Moscow bar where everyone is happy and laughing, according to you. Just a reminder - you are not exactly Russian, either.:)

No I am not and these young Russian guys said something about that too.


It was a food court in a mall. They were buying beer at Burger King.

PJB
26-01-2015, 02:02
Ain't that the truth! Nothing like a go old kick in the nuts or a jab in the eye to say don't mess with me.


Movies are fake, if you try to do it like you saw in a movie then it ain't gonna work. I lost a freakin tooth because I lost focus for half second.



The last fight I got into in America was in a 7-11 at 3 in the morning. I went in to get a microwave burger after a day/night of riding my bike and smoking weed. There was this really big guy in there drunk and trying to steal all the sandwiches. I grabbed a burger and went to the counter but the lady asked me to wait so she could ring up him first. I put my burger on the counter to get money out and this guy tried to pocket my burger. It was the last one! So I said very nicely " excuses me but that is mind" and he said " oh you want to be an asshole" and I told him it was mine again and he said he was going to teach me not to butt in. He went out to the car where his friend was and I could see him emptying his pockets and telling his friend he would be right back. I was paying when he came back in and the woman at the counter told him she was going to call the police. He said "don't worry it won't take long". It didn't, when he turned to talk to the woman I backed up a few steps and when he turned back he saw I backed up and smiled. He came at me then I took two steps toward him and he got a puzzled look on his face because he thought I was afraid of him and that's why I backed up. He was about 6 or 8 inches taller than me and heavy. The kind of guy that bullied smaller people. I took two steps and kicked him as hard as I could with me toe right in his nuts. He went down and his friend came running in asking me to not beat him anymore. Funny because he was a little muscle man and I thought I would have to fight him next but he just helped his friend to the car. I just went back to getting my burger and the woman at the counter said she was the manager of the store and asked me to work there! She said I handle myself very well. I wasn't rude to the guy, I tried to be polite but stood my ground. I told her no thanks and left. I saw her a few weeks later and she told me the cops were looking for me because the guy who they had stopped a few blocks away had to go to the hospital and have an operation because I crushed his nuts.

Wally you could win big $ !!! Just don't let the first line be "It was a dark and stormy night;" (it's already been taken) ;)

http://bulwer-lytton.com/

AstarD
26-01-2015, 12:17
Russian cafes and restaurants are beginning to charge extra for the depreciation of the ruble:

27620

http://www.znak.com/urfo/news/2015-01-26/1034419.html

Armoured
26-01-2015, 12:27
I bought a birthday gift in a nice western-branded cloting store. They charged me the higher price on the price tag, saying they'd just done re-pricing.

I was in too much of a rush to argue about how when there's more than one price, they have to charge the lower, especially as it wasn't that much, but was rather humorous.

Couldn't even re-price properly.

FatAndy
26-01-2015, 12:34
They charged me the higher price on the price tag, saying they'd just done re-pricing.
If you speak about Moscow, it happens (and was happening in the past, far before all currency jumps) rather often. According to RF trade rules, if they didn't change a tag, they pay difference from their pocket. It is the law for retail sales only, if the customer is a private person.

Russian Lad
26-01-2015, 13:00
Russian cafes and restaurants are beginning to charge extra for the depreciation of the ruble:

Is it an actual bill or a joke?:)

AstarD
26-01-2015, 13:02
Is it an actual bill or a joke?:)

Znak is not a joke news publication, such as The Onion or Charlie Hebdo, is it?

Russian Lad
26-01-2015, 13:05
Well, the owner in that article says it is a fake. Looks funny anyway.

Armoured
26-01-2015, 13:35
According to RF trade rules, if they didn't change a tag, they pay difference from their pocket. It is the law for retail sales only, if the customer is a private person.

Yes, I'm actually aware of that and told them so, but was running so late and amount was not large, so let it go...

FatAndy
26-01-2015, 13:43
Yes, I'm actually aware of that and told them so, but was running so late and amount was not large, so let it go...
Bro... steam engines must be depressed when they're kettles yet... :10220: (Russian/Soviet proverb)

Russian Lad
26-01-2015, 14:04
How does it sound in Russian?

FatAndy
26-01-2015, 14:19
How does it sound in Russian?
It's strange to read this from you... Паровозы надо давить, пока они - чайники. ;)

drbobguy
26-01-2015, 21:44
S&P Downgrades Russia to Junk (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/26/russia-rating-downgrade-idUSL6N0V53RT20150126)


Jan 26 (Reuters) - Ratings agency S&P said on Monday it had cut Russia's sovereign credit rating to BB+ or below investment grade with a negative outlook, and said Russia's economic growth prospects have weakened.

Russian Lad
26-01-2015, 23:53
Hope Fantastika is still with us... The ruble gonna fly like a bird.

Uncle Wally
27-01-2015, 00:23
Hope Fantastika is still with us... The ruble gonna fly like a bird.



Isn't that soar like a bird? Which would mean go up^ not down. Maybe you could say sink like a stone? Which would mean drop fast.

Russian Lad
27-01-2015, 00:26
Isn't that soar like a bird? Which would mean go up^ not down. Maybe you could say sink like a stone? Which would mean drop fast.

Will fly through the window like a bird.

Alan65
27-01-2015, 02:02
S&P Downgrades Russia to Junk (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/26/russia-rating-downgrade-idUSL6N0V53RT20150126)

Hey dont worry, soon Russia will be like Greece, well maybe not as my girlfriend says.....Russia wont have the sunshine and sea )))

Uncle Wally
27-01-2015, 10:13
Hey dont worry, soon Russia will be like Greece, well maybe not as my girlfriend says.....Russia wont have the sunshine and sea )))



Russia is going to drop the euro and leave the EU?

What your girlfriend's never been to Sochi or Krim?

Uncle Wally
27-01-2015, 22:21
Dollar having some trouble today. Down against all other currency.

fenrir
27-01-2015, 22:35
Dollar having some trouble today. Down against all other currency.

Come report back to us when it becomes a bog roll like the ruble has been for many months.

Carl
27-01-2015, 23:27
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8SMSUVvTFz8

Wow..:9456: He sure isn't optimistic..
Willy, have your GF translate for you..you might get a clue. It then again, what the hell does he know! Obviously he's not one of Wolly's billionaire friends. Not seeing the full bars and cafes with people having a grand ol time, and not noticing the price of pork! I guess he hasn't been to Nizhny Novgorad lately either...or had his salary boosted with a ruble bump!

Uncle Wally
27-01-2015, 23:28
Come report back to us when it becomes a bog roll like the ruble has been for many months.


Your trouble is with perception.

You see the only people who really worry about how much the dollar is in relation to the ruble is people who need dollars. Once you don't need dollars it doesn't matter.

Uncle Wally
27-01-2015, 23:38
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8SMSUVvTFz8

Wow..:9456: He sure isn't optimistic..
Willy, have your GF translate for you..you might get a clue. It then again, what the hell does he know! Obviously he's not one of Wolly's billionaire friends. Not seeing the full bars and cafes with people having a grand ol time, and not noticing the price of pork! I guess he hasn't been to Nizhny Novgorad lately either...or had his salary boosted with a ruble bump!


I am sorry that you can not find happiness and need to belittle others and can only find joy in other peoples sadness.

I don't think he worries about the price of pork.

Carl
28-01-2015, 00:58
I am sorry that you can not find happiness and need to belittle others and can only find joy in other peoples sadness.

I don't think he worries about the price of pork.

You have me all wrong Wally.. It's the sadness and hard times befalling the average Ivan and Olga that has me upset. And the fact that you and a few other folks here try to cover, defend and deflect the policies that bring about those hardships. It's as though you really believe that if you act as though things are fine, and that current party of power and its policies are bringing stability and prosperity to the Russia people, then it will be so. You completely ignore all the signs, facts and realities on the ground that tell a very different story. Sometimes I honestly think you are paid per post here..

Uncle Wally
28-01-2015, 06:44
You have me all wrong Wally.. It's the sadness and hard times befalling the average Ivan and Olga that has me upset. And the fact that you and a few other folks here try to cover, defend and deflect the policies that bring about those hardships. It's as though you really believe that if you act as though things are fine, and that current party of power and its policies are bringing stability and prosperity to the Russia people, then it will be so. You completely ignore all the signs, facts and realities on the ground that tell a very different story. Sometimes I honestly think you are paid per post here..


No Carl you could care less for the average Russian. You are selfish, egotistical and arrogant. It is you who fail to see the truth. Your assessment is based on lies and has nothing to do with reality. The reality is Russia is being attacked by America because she stands in the way of America's attempts to take over and rule the world. America is a fascist state run by corporations that want to make people it's slaves. Go read my other thread about Lack and RT Carl.

Armoured
28-01-2015, 08:16
You see the only people who really worry about how much the dollar is in relation to the ruble is people who need dollars. Once you don't need dollars it doesn't matter.

That's not even true about yourself. You were calling for price controls and government intervention because petrol went up a small amount in rubles.

And why? Because you were comparing to the dollar price of crude oil.

Anyway, even the people who only need and spend rubles are noticing that prices for a lot of stuff in Russia is driven by ruble/dollar rate - and they are on the losing end.

Judge
28-01-2015, 08:17
Dollar having some trouble today. Down against all other currency.

Which is much needed good news for some American companies that are hurting cos of the strong dollar. ..

Uncle Wally
28-01-2015, 13:26
That's not even true about yourself. You were calling for price controls and government intervention because petrol went up a small amount in rubles.

And why? Because you were comparing to the dollar price of crude oil.

Anyway, even the people who only need and spend rubles are noticing that prices for a lot of stuff in Russia is driven by ruble/dollar rate - and they are on the losing end.


As Russia becomes more self sufficient and starts making more things on her own the less companies can use that excuse.

AstarD
28-01-2015, 13:42
Dollar having some trouble today. Down against all other currency.LOL. You're so funny.

Armoured
28-01-2015, 15:02
Your trouble is with perception.

You see the only people who really worry about how much the dollar is in relation to the ruble is people who need dollars. Once you don't need dollars it doesn't matter.

It would seem that about 2/3 of Russians are in fact worried and it's affecting them.

http://top.rbc.ru/economics/28/01/2015/54c8aaaa9a79472c7c9e6163#xtor=AL-[internal_traffic]--[rbc.ru]-[main_body]-[item_2]

"Две трети опрошенных социологами пожаловались на то, что по ним ударило снижение курса рубля, а почти половина – на уменьшение зарплат и премий"

bydand
28-01-2015, 16:29
[sarcasm] You must have a turd for a brain if you believe sociologists![sarcasm]

FatAndy
28-01-2015, 16:40
You must have a turd for a brain if you believe sociologists!
Knowing somebody of sociologists, I must admit - it's close to The Truthъ! :D

Carl
28-01-2015, 17:54
You are selfish, egotistical and arrogant. .

Hey Andy,.. you banned me for calling you a miserable person. Is being called selfish, egotistical and arrogant any better? WTF? Where's the balance here?

FatAndy
28-01-2015, 18:07
Hey Andy,.. you banned me for calling you a miserable person.
No, it was Judge.


Is being called selfish, egotistical and arrogant any better?
It depends on yourself. I'd carry it proudly :verycool:


Where's the balance here?
Never mention balance - no impulse for development then.

AstarD
28-01-2015, 18:08
Is being selfish, egotistical and arrogant any better? Sure! Just ask WillyWally!

Uncle Wally
28-01-2015, 18:52
Hey Andy,.. you banned me for calling you a miserable person. Is being called selfish, egotistical and arrogant any better? WTF? Where's the balance here?



You try to insult me a few times I try to insult you once back, balance, see?

All is good and correct everybody's happy!

Nobbynumbnuts
28-01-2015, 22:02
Which is much needed good news for some American companies that are hurting cos of the strong dollar. ..

Not Apple. They just posted record profits, 12$ billion for the 3 months to Dec.14. Truly incredible numbers.
Don't think there's too much concern about a stronger dollar in the states at the moment with 3.5% p.a. growth

Carl
29-01-2015, 02:05
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russian-prosecutors-crack-down-on-retailers-as-food-prices-soar/515074.html

Nope, price of food not going up here. All is fine folks. The agricultural sector will be kicking in any moment now..no reason for worry. Those silly sanctions won't bother you a bit, so don't give them a second thought. Just go about your business, enjoy your vacations..buy a ticket quickly because those planes are filling up fast! Better get to the restaurant/cafe early, same story there, you don't want to be left without a seat at a table. Don't you worry about the falling ruble, everyone's getting a ruble salary bump here any day now. The fundamentals of the economy are strong, will be back at 10% growth before you know it! The price of vodka is being kept low, so just pick up a few bottles along with your pork on the way home from work each day and you'll be fine.. Now excuse me while I go put my head back in the sand....

Nobbynumbnuts
29-01-2015, 03:29
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russian-prosecutors-crack-down-on-retailers-as-food-prices-soar/515074.html

Nope, price of food not going up here. All is fine folks. The agricultural sector will be kicking in any moment now..no reason for worry. Those silly sanctions won't bother you a bit, so don't give them a second thought. Just go about your business, enjoy your vacations..buy a ticket quickly because those planes are filling up fast! Better get to the restaurant/cafe early, same story there, you don't want to be left without a seat at a table. Don't you worry about the falling ruble, everyone's getting a ruble salary bump here any day now. The fundamentals of the economy are strong, will be back at 10% growth before you know it! The price of vodka is being kept low, so just pick up a few bottles along with your pork on the way home from work each day and you'll be fine.. Now excuse me while I go put my head back in the sand....

PMSL. You've been smoking the same brand as Wally! :D

PJB
29-01-2015, 06:01
As Russia becomes more self sufficient and starts making more things on her own the less companies can use that excuse.

Waiting............


Waiting..........................


Still Waiting..........................

Judge
29-01-2015, 06:20
Better get to the restaurant/cafe early, same story there, you don't want to be left without a seat at a table.

You are so right about this, yesterday was drinking at Pilsner in Mayakovskaya,got there 17.30 ,place was packed when I left at 21.00,if you didn't know, this place is massive. ...Not bad for a Wednesday night....Friday - Saturday evenings people(groups) can be seen waiting for a table...

Judge
29-01-2015, 06:45
Not Apple. They just posted record profits, 12$ billion for the 3 months to Dec.14. Truly incredible numbers.
Don't think there's too much concern about a stronger dollar in the states at the moment with 3.5% p.a. growth

True, Apple is in a league of its own,unlike Microsoft,which saw $40bn wiped off its market value.........

AstarD
29-01-2015, 09:26
Dollar having some trouble today. Down against all other currency.

LOL. Over the past weekend, the ruble was 64 to the dollar. This morning, it's 67 to the dollar.

Yeah, the dollar is really struggling.

Nobbynumbnuts
29-01-2015, 12:36
You are so right about this, yesterday was drinking at Pilsner in Mayakovskaya,got there 17.30 ,place was packed when I left at 21.00,if you didn't know, this place is massive. ...Not bad for a Wednesday night....Friday - Saturday evenings people(groups) can be seen waiting for a table...

There is a theory that when the going gets tough the masses like to go out and congregate together take their minds off things.
Bit like the man who loose his job then goes down the pub........all conjecture of course....

Judge
29-01-2015, 12:40
It's not all good news in the beer industry .

Baltika, a leading Russian beer company with a market share of about 40%, said on Thursday it will close down two breweries and lay off 560 employees amid deteriorating market conditions.
http://itar-tass.com/en/economy/774063

Judge
29-01-2015, 12:49
There is a theory that when the going gets tough the masses like to go out and congregate together take their minds off things.
Bit like the man who loose his job then goes down the pub........all conjecture of course....

Sure, to drown your sorrows....:drink:

Judge
29-01-2015, 12:56
The new Greek government’s relationship with Russia are also causing a stir in Europe this week.

The Financial Times reports this morning that EU leaders are fuming behind closes doors:

European and Nato intelligence officials are now poring over links between the Kremlin and senior figures from Syriza and its coalition partner, the Independent Greeks party.

The fact that the first foreign official Mr Tsipras invited to the Maximos Mansion in Athens on Monday was Andrey Maslov, Russia’s ambassador, speaks to their concerns.

Mr Tsipras’ previous comments on the Ukrainian crisis are also clear enough: in a trip to Moscow in May, the Syriza chief accused Kiev of harbouring “neo-Nazi” elements and denounced sanctions against Russia.

There’s a(nother) row brewing over whether Greece officially opposes sanctions on Russia.

Yesterday, energy minister Panagiotis Lafazanis veered off his brief, to declare that:

“We are against the embargo that has been imposed against Russia. Greece has no interest in imposing sanctions on Russia.

We have no differences with Russia and the Russian people.”

And this morning, new finance minister Yanis Varoufakis has also broached out into international affairs. In his blog, he denied that Greece wanted to veto Russian sanctions -- it just wanted to be consulted.

Our Foreign Minister, Nikos Kotzias, briefed us that on his first day at the job he heard in the news bulletins that the EU had approved new sanctions on Russia unanimously.

The problem was that he, and the new Greek government, were never asked! So, clearly, the issue was not whether our new government agrees or not with fresh sanctions on Russia. The issue is whether our view can be taken for granted without even being told of what it is!

Russian Lad
29-01-2015, 14:06
Euro 78, Dollar - 69. And counting.

AstarD
29-01-2015, 14:10
Euro 78, Dollar - 69. And counting.Clawing back, RL, clawing back. The ruble is king!

Carl
29-01-2015, 14:13
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/inflation-hits-russian-parliament-s-porridge-deputies-unhappy/515057.html

These poor people.. How will they manage? They should move to Nizhny Novgorod. Andy reports that all is well there...

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russians-anxiety-over-economy-grows-as-talk-of-crisis-becomes-reality/515058.html

"The poll showed that 91 percent of respondents said they or their relatives had suffered from price rises over the last month"

Can we somehow put these citizens in touch with the 'no problem here' crew...? I'm sure that after speaking with Wally, Andy, Ben & Tolka these folks will realize that things are actually going just great.
Now excuse me while I go bury my head back in the sand...

FatAndy
29-01-2015, 14:29
Now excuse me while I go bury my head back in the sand...
Go on, it's for free yet ;)

Alan65
29-01-2015, 14:34
It's not all good news in the beer industry .

Baltika, a leading Russian beer company with a market share of about 40%, said on Thursday it will close down two breweries and lay off 560 employees amid deteriorating market conditions.
http://itar-tass.com/en/economy/774063

Perhaps they are just going into the bars for free WiFi.

Many a time when football is on in London the bars are full, 50 Africans and 1 coca cola between them.

FatAndy
29-01-2015, 14:45
Perhaps they are just going into the bars for free WiFi.
...or toilets.

Uncle Wally
29-01-2015, 14:57
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/inflation-hits-russian-parliament-s-porridge-deputies-unhappy/515057.html

These poor people.. How will they manage? They should move to Nizhny Novgorod. Andy reports that all is well there...

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russians-anxiety-over-economy-grows-as-talk-of-crisis-becomes-reality/515058.html

"The poll showed that 91 percent of respondents said they or their relatives had suffered from price rises over the last month"

Can we somehow put these citizens in touch with the 'no problem here' crew...? I'm sure that after speaking with Wally, Andy, Ben & Tolka these folks will realize that things are actually going just great.
Now excuse me while I go bury my head back in the sand...



Look at the source Carl.

Before you bury your head Carl take it out of your ass first.

AstarD
29-01-2015, 15:22
Look at the source Carl.

Interfax?
"In our cafeteria, the price of a bowl of porridge has risen 150 percent," news agency Interfax quoted Ivanov as saying. "We can't even make sense of that — before it cost 20 rubles, now 53 rubles."

Nobbynumbnuts
29-01-2015, 21:01
.......Before you bury your head Carl take it out of your ass first.

I really cannot believe you said that.......:D

Nobbynumbnuts
29-01-2015, 21:11
The new Greek government’s relationship with Russia are also causing a stir in Europe this week.

The Financial Times reports this morning that EU leaders are fuming behind closes doors:

European and Nato intelligence officials are now poring over links between the Kremlin and senior figures from Syriza and its coalition partner, the Independent Greeks party.

The fact that the first foreign official Mr Tsipras invited to the Maximos Mansion in Athens on Monday was Andrey Maslov, Russia’s ambassador, speaks to their concerns.

Mr Tsipras’ previous comments on the Ukrainian crisis are also clear enough: in a trip to Moscow in May, the Syriza chief accused Kiev of harbouring “neo-Nazi” elements and denounced sanctions against Russia.

There’s a(nother) row brewing over whether Greece officially opposes sanctions on Russia.

Yesterday, energy minister Panagiotis Lafazanis veered off his brief, to declare that:

“We are against the embargo that has been imposed against Russia. Greece has no interest in imposing sanctions on Russia.

We have no differences with Russia and the Russian people.”

And this morning, new finance minister Yanis Varoufakis has also broached out into international affairs. In his blog, he denied that Greece wanted to veto Russian sanctions -- it just wanted to be consulted.

Our Foreign Minister, Nikos Kotzias, briefed us that on his first day at the job he heard in the news bulletins that the EU had approved new sanctions on Russia unanimously.

The problem was that he, and the new Greek government, were never asked! So, clearly, the issue was not whether our new government agrees or not with fresh sanctions on Russia. The issue is whether our view can be taken for granted without even being told of what it is!

The politicking has begun.
The EU is sitting on a mountain of Greek debt that Greece is trying to default on. The new PM says they won't but the terms the Greeks are aiming for is a de fault in reality. The game begins....

FatAndy
29-01-2015, 21:11
I really cannot believe you said that.......:D
Wally rocks again...but with a yellow card already.

BTW, Nobby, bad news for you... no visa-free travel to RF in forseeing future... ours have beaten plates and pots in EU council... :)

Judge
29-01-2015, 21:23
Perhaps they are just going into the bars for free WiFi.

Many a time when football is on in London the bars are full, 50 Africans and 1 coca cola between them.

So there's some truth in what I read other day....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2928065/Pubs-closing-traditional-working-class-areas-taken-Muslims-don-t-drink-claims-minister.html

Judge
29-01-2015, 21:27
The politicking has begun.
The EU is sitting on a mountain of Greek debt that Greece is trying to default on. The new PM says they won't but the terms the Greeks are aiming for is a de fault in reality. The game begins....

Looks like it, Greeks saying give us a cheap haircut or we will borrow from the Russians and will veto any upcoming sanctions....win-win situation for the Greeks.

Carl
29-01-2015, 22:12
Looks like it, Greeks saying give us a cheap haircut or we will borrow from the Russians and will veto any upcoming sanctions....win-win situation for the Greeks.

Is Russia in a position to be bailing Greece out..?

Nobbynumbnuts
29-01-2015, 22:16
Looks like it, Greeks saying give us a cheap haircut or we will borrow from the Russians and will veto any upcoming sanctions....win-win situation for the Greeks.

I think it's the EU that'll be getting the haircut. If Greece get's preferential treatment on debt relief, what about Portugal, Spain, and Italy?
Amazingly, with all this austerity the Greeks still haven't balanced the budget and they are borrowing money from the EU to pay the interest on the money that they borrowed from The EU!! :10475:

Nobbynumbnuts
29-01-2015, 22:22
Wally rocks again...but with a yellow card already.

BTW, Nobby, bad news for you... no visa-free travel to RF in forseeing future... ours have beaten plates and pots in EU council... :)

Yeah, it's a shame but my focus is on other areas now. My time in Russia is up for a while.
Still i have to say, no visa free travel is Russia's loss i think..

Carl
29-01-2015, 22:24
Wally rocks again...but with a yellow card already.

BTW, Nobby, bad news for you... no visa-free travel to RF in forseeing future... ours have beaten plates and pots in EU council... :)

Let's see what happens... Hey Andy, you should take your head out of your ass!:ok:

Judge
29-01-2015, 22:27
Is Russia in a position to be bailing Greece out..?

Russia could throw a few billing euros the Greeks way....Greece needs another 10 bn euros soon..

Nobbynumbnuts
29-01-2015, 22:34
Russia could throw a few billing euros the Greeks way.............

...they'll spend it on a party, then sleep all day! :p

Uncle Wally
29-01-2015, 22:40
Let's see what happens... Hey Andy, you should take your head out of your ass!:ok:



Nothing yet. Try harder!

This just in

Russia will not be banned from using SWIFT because Russia would just set up their own money transfer and that would hurt SWIFT too much.

Alan65
29-01-2015, 23:16
So there's some truth in what I read other day....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2928065/Pubs-closing-traditional-working-class-areas-taken-Muslims-don-t-drink-claims-minister.html

I was talking more about Africans who support Man, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal...but traditional boozers are closing not because of Muslims...just because they are sh!t

Nobbynumbnuts
29-01-2015, 23:51
I was talking more about Africans who support Man, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal...but traditional boozers are closing not because of Muslims...just because they are sh!t

Times they are a changing. The traditional British boozer is now obsolete, add the smoking ban, cheap drink from supermarkets and pubs are closing at an alarming rate.

Alan65
30-01-2015, 01:22
Nothing yet. Try harder!

This just in

Russia will not be banned from using SWIFT because Russia would just set up their own money transfer and that would hurt SWIFT too much.

Russia will do this Russia will do this...why have they not done anything yet...will the Russian equivalent of SWIFT be government or private.

Judge
30-01-2015, 10:29
Russia will do this Russia will do this...why have they not done anything yet...will the Russian equivalent of SWIFT be government or private.

The new payment system will be out soon,I think they are already testing it,some banks are....


So, no new sanctions, just an extension....


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31033924

fenrir
30-01-2015, 10:55
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/eu-extends-sanctions-against-russia-with-greece-s-backing/515144.html

The most interesting bit is that Greece was on board.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/general-motors-suspends-production-at-russian-plant-citing-volatile-ruble/515152.html

More auto woes and un- or underemployed workers.

FatAndy
30-01-2015, 11:50
Carl has a rest for 5 days.

Uncle Wally
30-01-2015, 12:12
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/eu-extends-sanctions-against-russia-with-greece-s-backing/515144.html

The most interesting bit is that Greece was on board.



No the most interesting bit was that Greece and Italy reject adding sanctions.

Alan65
30-01-2015, 23:31
No the most interesting bit was that Greece and Italy reject adding sanctions.

or another way of looking at it ...in a 29 nation block only 10% Are against. ..90% for

Tzushima
31-01-2015, 02:37
I came to this site trying to find a counter point to the endless russian trolls on US media that uses disqus and facebook, trying to determine if most Russians were really like this.

Happy to find there are many English speaking Russians in Russia who are quite sound mind and very interesting. I really like Russian Lad, and FatAndy is particularly pragmatic.

I am not sure if Uncle Wally is a real person however, as he seems par for the russian trolls I experience on disqus. Can anyone confirm if he is a real Russian poster or if he posts ironically?

Tzushima
31-01-2015, 02:39
Carl has a rest for 5 days.

was he banned for saying the same thing "Uncle Wally" said? What is the difference in their vitriolic posts?

Uncle Wally
31-01-2015, 08:38
I came to this site trying to find a counter point to the endless russian trolls on US media that uses disqus and facebook, trying to determine if most Russians were really like this.

Happy to find there are many English speaking Russians in Russia who are quite sound mind and very interesting. I really like Russian Lad, and FatAndy is particularly pragmatic.

I am not sure if Uncle Wally is a real person however, as he seems par for the russian trolls I experience on disqus. Can anyone confirm if he is a real Russian poster or if he posts ironically?


Well unlike you many here have met me in person and know I came from America. Who are you?

Uncle Wally
31-01-2015, 08:41
was he banned for saying the same thing "Uncle Wally" said? What is the difference in their vitriolic posts?



I didn't say it to a mod and this Carl constantly harasses me and others. Hint; don't bash the mods.

Tzushima
31-01-2015, 08:57
Well unlike you many here have met me in person and know I came from America. Who are you?

what do you want to know?

Uncle Wally
31-01-2015, 09:15
what do you want to know?



Go to introductions thread and tell us about you. Where you from what you do why are you in Japan?

Tzushima
31-01-2015, 09:28
Where you from what you do why are you in Japan?

the United States

I am a student

not sure yet

Alan65
31-01-2015, 16:53
Well unlike you many here have met me in person and know I came from America. Who are you?

From the USA you say...Why do you use so many expressions that only come from the North of England

Uncle Wally
31-01-2015, 23:05
From the USA you say...Why do you use so many expressions that only come from the North of England


I'm from New England maybe. I pronounced R like A. I pak the ca in Havad yad.

zzhhst
01-02-2015, 12:49
I smell a Rat!!!

zzhhst
01-02-2015, 13:00
Super Bowl really? After all your trash talk. F.U.!!!! You are not an American. What happened you bailout on your child support? Run to Russia you expletive.
Better start looking at the world Cup. Your New game. Besides, PATRIOTS don't have a chance.

FatAndy
01-02-2015, 13:44
was he banned for saying the same thing "Uncle Wally" said? What is the difference in their vitriolic posts?
Let you guess yourself, reading the forum rules. :)


the United States

I am a student
...learning laws, ways and methods of informational wars? ;)


Super Bowl really? After all your trash talk. F.U.!!!! You are not an American. What happened you bailout on your child support? Run to Russia you expletive.
Better start looking at the world Cup. Your New game. Besides, PATRIOTS don't have a chance.
It seems to me you're a bit overexcited, comrade? :)

Uncle Wally
01-02-2015, 23:11
Super Bowl really? After all your trash talk. F.U.!!!! You are not an American. What happened you bailout on your child support? Run to Russia you expletive.
Better start looking at the world Cup. Your New game. Besides, PATRIOTS don't have a chance.



You called me an "expletive"? If I knew what that meant I think I would be mad! That is if I was such a mother #%&*er.


Go Pats!

Uncle Wally
01-02-2015, 23:13
I smell a Rat!!!



You smell like a rat? Try taking a shower.

Uncle Wally
02-02-2015, 06:15
Super Bowl really? After all your trash talk. F.U.!!!! You are not an American. What happened you bailout on your child support? Run to Russia you expletive.
Better start looking at the world Cup. Your New game. Besides, PATRIOTS don't have a chance.



Oops the Pats won. They did have a chance after all.

Armoured
02-02-2015, 12:21
Wow, gold really _is_ going through the roof:
http://www.goldpriceoz.com/goldpricegraph/rub-gold-price-per-ounce-10-years-history.png

Uncle Wally
02-02-2015, 22:47
Wow, gold really _is_ going through the roof:
http://www.goldpriceoz.com/goldpricegraph/rub-gold-price-per-ounce-10-years-history.png



Don't worry when all those companies that took on debt and invested in oil can't paid it off we'll see what happens. It something like 1.4 trillion dollars.

Tzushima
04-02-2015, 09:19
it seems there is an effort to drum up some new funds: http://www.newsweek.com/russian-parliament-set-request-eu4-trillion-wwii-reparations-germany-304163:question:

“It is possible that frau Merkel, who so longs for more sanctions against Russia, would never even have been born if it were not for the kindness of the victors towards the defeated,” Fokunin said, referring to social programmes organised by the USSR in East Germany after the war.

Judge
04-02-2015, 09:22
The link you posted doesn't work,is it about Rosneft,
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/rosneft-raising-cash-through-swiss-trader-as-7bln-debt-payment-looms/515387.html

Tzushima
04-02-2015, 09:26
The link you posted doesn't work,is it about Rosneft,
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/rosneft-raising-cash-through-swiss-trader-as-7bln-debt-payment-looms/515387.html

fixed

smilies!!!?!!!:cussing:

Judge
04-02-2015, 09:45
Wow, 4 trillion......I think I need a drink :11581:

It also looks like the Greeks want payback ..

Judge
04-02-2015, 10:08
Now we have super anti-crisis cows...


http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russians-invent-anti-crisis-cow-that-can-survive-without-eating/515350.html

Suuryaa
04-02-2015, 10:43
Wow, 4 trillion......I think I need a drink :11581:

It also looks like the Greeks want payback ..

Germany did cause a lot of harm to Russia.

Judge
04-02-2015, 11:14
Not all Russian lawmakers think it's a good idea ....

 some lawmakers were extremely critical of the motion. The deputy head of the upper house Committee for Foreign Relations, Vladimir Dzhabarov, said that all reparations issues between the USSR and Germany were settled in 1950s and returning to the issue could only bring problems.

FatAndy
04-02-2015, 11:59
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/business/2015/02/150203_gazprom_moncrief_court - bugagaga! Traditions!

fenrir
04-02-2015, 12:05
Not all Russian lawmakers think it's a good idea ....

 some lawmakers were extremely critical of the motion. The deputy head of the upper house Committee for Foreign Relations, Vladimir Dzhabarov, said that all reparations issues between the USSR and Germany were settled in 1950s and returning to the issue could only bring problems.

It will open a huge can of worms in that the Baltics, Poland and other Eastern European countries will start calculating reparations Russia would owe them for the more recent occupation and all the issues that came with it. Does Russia REALLY want to go down that path?

Suuryaa
04-02-2015, 12:16
It will open a huge can of worms in that the Baltics, Poland and other Eastern European countries will start calculating reparations Russia would owe them for the more recent occupation and all the issues that came with it. Does Russia REALLY want to go down that path?

I think every state should pay for the wrongs it did. It will think next time if the payback is imminent.

FatAndy
04-02-2015, 12:33
Baltics, Poland and other Eastern European countries will start calculating reparations Russia would owe them for the more recent occupation and all the issues that came with it.
They do it for a long time already. With the traditional result - pedestrian erotic voyage. :D So, if they like - let's continue ;)


Not all Russian lawmakers think it's a good idea ....

 some lawmakers were extremely critical of the motion. The deputy head of the upper house Committee for Foreign Relations, Vladimir Dzhabarov, said that all reparations issues between the USSR and Germany were settled in 1950s and returning to the issue could only bring problems.
It's just fun of "deputatiki" and light trolling of Angelka. :)

helenamoscow
04-02-2015, 14:44
I do not belive these forecasts. They are not able to forecast even 10 per cent of what will happen. I think, that people in Russia will spend less and work more. There will be no more a lot of easy money. But everything will be not so bad, as they try to tell us. Newspapers need shocking news, they do them. Helena

Russian Lad
04-02-2015, 16:15
I think, that people in Russia will spend less and work more.

Sure. Will have almost nothing to spend and will have to work much more. And one day you may wake up, switch on the tv and see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_iEjmpGHRY

Judge
04-02-2015, 19:42
It's just fun of "deputatiki" and light trolling of Angelka. :)



If that's light, what do you call heavy trolling?

Fantastika
04-02-2015, 22:00
I think every state should pay for the wrongs it did. It will think next time if the payback is imminent.

So you believe in "justice" or "social justice"? There is a difference.

Uncle Wally
04-02-2015, 23:43
Saudi Arabia is offering Russia to raise the price of oil if Russia stops backing Assad. So much for market forces and all that crap. The fall of oil is just to hurt Russia. These Saudis are dumb! Russia will never give up Assad. Now Russia has made a move to help Turkey with a gas pipeline so Turkey may just give up on supporting the terrorist fighting in Syria because they won't need the gas pipeline from Qatar.

Russian Lad
04-02-2015, 23:50
Saudi Arabia is offering Russia to raise the price of oil if Russia stops backing Assad. So much for market forces and all that crap. The fall of oil is just to hurt Russia. These Saudis are dumb! Russia will never give up Assad. Now Russia has made a move to help Turkey with a gas pipeline so Turkey may just give up on supporting the terrorist fighting in Syria because they won't need the gas pipeline from Qatar.

That's why the dollar has gained another 3 rubles today? Makes sense in the Wally World...
This deal you are talking about, it is old news. From what I know, there have been many talks about that, leading to nowhere. If the Saudis are so stupid, why the citizens of this country are much richer than Russians?

fenrir
05-02-2015, 00:03
Saudi Arabia is offering Russia to raise the price of oil if Russia stops backing Assad. So much for market forces and all that crap. The fall of oil is just to hurt Russia. These Saudis are dumb! Russia will never give up Assad. Now Russia has made a move to help Turkey with a gas pipeline so Turkey may just give up on supporting the terrorist fighting in Syria because they won't need the gas pipeline from Qatar.

Dude, I told you this multiple times ages ago and you just had your head buried in the sand with the rest of the uber fanats. And as far as being dumb is concerned, it's not the Saudis whose currency has turned into trash or are dealing with this problem:

http://www.vocativ.com/world/russia/russians-price-of-diapers/

Uncle Wally
05-02-2015, 00:22
Dude, I told you this multiple times ages ago and you just had your head buried in the sand with the rest of the uber fanats. And as far as being dumb is concerned, it's not the Saudis whose currency has turned into trash or are dealing with this problem:

http://www.vocativ.com/world/russia/russians-price-of-diapers/



Russia is the richest country in the world don't forget that. Unlike Saudi Arabia Russia does not have to depend on America for protection. You can add your piddle little country to. You're like a little kid with a big mouth standing behind a bigger guy. Nothing when you're alone.

Uncle Wally
05-02-2015, 00:23
That's why the dollar has gained another 3 rubles today? Makes sense in the Wally World...
This deal you are talking about, it is old news. From what I know, there have been many talks about that, leading to nowhere. If the Saudis are so stupid, why the citizens of this country are much richer than Russians?



Dollar is down 4 rubles.

Russian Lad
05-02-2015, 00:29
Dollar is down 4 rubles.

:nut::nut::nut::rolleyes::shamp:In the Wally World? Ok, sure. You have many customers?
In the real world it has been like this today:
https://news.mail.ru/currency.html
http://www.finanz.ru/valyuty/USD-RUB

It is 68 rubles now: http://www.finanz.ru/valyuty/diagramma-realnom-vremeni/USD-RUB


Russia is the richest country in the world

Why are we so poor then? I am ready to blame the US, but I was poor a year ago too. Millions of Russians like me.

Tzushima
05-02-2015, 05:23
Russia is the richest country in the world...
If GDP is measured by sense of humor perhaps...

Alan65
05-02-2015, 08:29
Russia is the richest country in the world don't forget that. Unlike Saudi Arabia Russia does not have to depend on America for protection. You can add your piddle little country to. You're like a little kid with a big mouth standing behind a bigger guy. Nothing when you're alone.

Wally, a serious question, are you Jas in disguise?

or just the gift that keeps on giving ))

Suuryaa
05-02-2015, 08:37
So you believe in "justice" or "social justice"? There is a difference.

I don't understand what you mean.

Fantastika
05-02-2015, 08:40
Originally Posted by Uncle Wally View Post
Russia is the richest country in the world...

If GDP is measured by sense of humor perhaps...

Maybe Wally means "richest in natural resources"...:10189:

Tzushima
05-02-2015, 08:49
Originally Posted by Uncle Wally View Post
Russia is the richest country in the world...


Maybe Wally means "richest in natural resources"...:10189:
A sense of humor is a natural resource:eh:

Alan65
05-02-2015, 08:58
Originally Posted by Uncle Wally View Post
Russia is the richest country in the world...


Maybe Wally means "richest in natural resources"...:10189:

That may actually be Africa.

Fantastika
05-02-2015, 09:36
That may actually be Africa.

Africa is not a country.

Yet.

Uncle Wally
05-02-2015, 09:41
:nut::nut::nut::rolleyes::shamp:In the Wally World? Ok, sure. You have many customers?
In the real world it has been like this today:
https://news.mail.ru/currency.html
http://www.finanz.ru/valyuty/USD-RUB

It is 68 rubles now: http://www.finanz.ru/valyuty/diagramma-realnom-vremeni/USD-RUB



Why are we so poor then? I am ready to blame the US, but I was poor a year ago too. Millions of Russians like me.




Who is this "we" speak for yourself. I am not poor and I know many people who are far from poor. It's your own fault. Oh on Yandex it's down 4

Uncle Wally
05-02-2015, 09:54
If GDP is measured by sense of humor perhaps...



Well I know in America it's how debt you have so yeah if your in debt by 105% of GDP you're rich right. But if you could pay off all debts and still have billions left over well, you're still poor. Don't worry the people who will have to pay it off aren't even born yet so the jokes on them ha.

Fantastika
09-02-2015, 15:19
Ruble is at about 66 to the dollar today, according to xe.com. Anyone know what the actual buying and selling rates are?

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=RUB&view=1D (http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=RUB&view=1D)

XE.com graphs the grivna at 16.7 to the dollar, but from the news:

http://www.fairbrothers.com/expatphotos/grivna.JPG

AstarD
09-02-2015, 15:27
Wally, a serious question, are you Jas in disguise?

or just the gift that keeps on giving ))As much as it pains me to compliment WillyWally, he writes so much better than Jas that the comparison really cannot be made.

FatAndy
09-02-2015, 15:28
XE.com graphs the grivna at 16.7 to the dollar, but from the news:
Don't look at XE, look at www.rbc.ua
Курс валют 09/02 Спрос Предл.
Курс доллара 09/02 22.083 24.258
Курс евро 09/02 24.886 27.642
Курс рубля 09/02 3.026 3.66

Национальный банк Украины (НБУ) 9 февраля 2015 г. по сравнению с предыдущим банковским днем понизил курс гривны еще на 1 грн 82 копеек - до 24,95 грн/долл. Таким образом, официальный курс национальной валюты по отношению к доллару достиг нового рекордного минимума.

Официальные курсы валют на сегодня установлены на следующем уровне:

2495,6198 грн за 100 долл. (+182,5618);

2856,7360 грн за 100 евро (+217,5368);

3,7788 грн за 10 руб. (+0,4076).

Russian Lad
09-02-2015, 21:47
Anyone know what the actual buying and selling rates are?

ligovka.ru

Tzushima
11-02-2015, 05:59
http://www.rferl.org/content/beryozka-return/26840849.html

western imperialist sundries are possibly back on the shopping list :yuk:

Uncle Wally
11-02-2015, 09:12
http://www.rferl.org/content/beryozka-return/26840849.html

western imperialist sundries are possibly back on the shopping list :yuk:


This is for diplomats with tax free status. People working at embassies all over the world get a catalog with cheap goods that can only be bought by them. My ex worked at an embassy and I used to by Johnny Walker Black for $26 a bottle when it was going for $100 here. The draw back is you have to wait for it to be mailed.

FatAndy
12-02-2015, 17:25
http://vz.ru/news/2015/2/12/729321.html - "Barguzin" strategic missile railway-based combat complex (БЖРК), the horror of US ;) , to put on combat duty in 2019-2020. No new missile development, РС-24 Ярс to be used.

Fantastika
13-02-2015, 01:03
http://www.rbc.ua/rus/currency/RUB (http://www.rbc.ua/rus/currency/RUB)

Am I reading this wrong? According to the chart, it takes 4.00 rubles to buy a grivna, and you get 3.75 rubles if you sell a grivna? (At PrivatBank, the first line).

Tzushima
13-02-2015, 07:49
This is for diplomats with tax free status.
Ah, the rest of the populace will still have to resort to belarussian black market re-labels?

Uncle Wally
13-02-2015, 09:50
Ah, the rest of the populace will still have to resort to belarussian black market re-labels?



Yes just like in America when people go down to Mexico to get medicine because it's 10 or 20 times cheaper.


What don't you understand about diplomats. The same thing goes on in every country in every embassy.

Tzushima
13-02-2015, 09:55
Yes just like in America when people go down to Mexico to get medicine because it's 10 or 20 times cheaper.


ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

oh man, you need your own show on rt.com

Uncle Wally
13-02-2015, 10:22
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

oh man, you need your own show on rt.com



I know people from California that do go to Mexico all the time. Seems you're like others here and are not based in reality. This "America is all and is good" we have no problems here. Come on. Tell me that heroin addition is not on the rise in America cause by so many people addicted to prescription drugs and unable to afford them turn to heroin. Thank god America is protecting the poppy fields of Afghanistan.

Tzushima
13-02-2015, 10:31
Seems you're like others here and are not based in reality.

from you, this is a huge compliment :shamp:

FatAndy
13-02-2015, 11:17
RL was crying some time ago about restaurants filled with laughing ppl.
Yesterday, Thu, midweek, B. Nikitskaya 12/1, lunch time, restaurant Ugolёk, bill ca 2500 per person, 70% of place occupied.
But no laughing, only smiling and blah-blah-blah. ;)

Lamb shoulder they do quite ok, my recommendations.

Armoured
13-02-2015, 11:46
RL was crying some time ago about restaurants filled with laughing ppl.
Yesterday, Thu, midweek, B. Nikitskaya 12/1, lunch time, restaurant Ugolёk, bill ca 2500 per person, 70% of place occupied.
But no laughing, only smiling and blah-blah-blah. ;)

Sure, some restaurants continue to do reasonably well. Although I don't know if they're doing better.

But lots of restaurants, cafes, and shops have closed - estimates running 10% - in a pretty short period of time.

http://top.rbc.ru/business/12/02/2015/54db6b369a79478211891b4a

"Чаще всего съехавшими арендаторами на главных торговых улицах оказываются банки, магазины одежды и обуви, а также кафе и рестораны"


So the continued reassurance that "I went to a bar just yesterday" has about as much meaning as countering news about a leprosy epidemic with the comment "why I shook hands with a guy just yesterday who still had all his fingers..."

Nobbynumbnuts
13-02-2015, 11:48
RL was crying some time ago about restaurants filled with laughing ppl.
Yesterday, Thu, midweek, B. Nikitskaya 12/1, lunch time, restaurant Ugolёk, bill ca 2500 per person, 70% of place occupied.
But no laughing, only smiling and blah-blah-blah. ;)

Lamb shoulder they do quite ok, my recommendations.

If your very wealthy and your money is kept in Cyprus in dollars or euros, then it's going to take a lot to wipe the smile of your face....:rolleyes:

Only Russians gauge the economy by looking at the wealthy..

Nobbynumbnuts
13-02-2015, 11:50
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

oh man, you need your own show on rt.com


..i hear John Stewart is leaving the Daily Show ;)

Russian Lad
13-02-2015, 12:59
Only Russians gauge the economy by looking at the wealthy..

True, frankly speaking, this utter arrogance never ceases to amaze me. Well, no lambs to my neighbor pensioner, she would afford only 1 meal per month at that restaurant with her 8K rubles pension. Why? Because she spends 6K on her utility bills. I assume she survives only because her children bring her some food on occasion.


So the continued reassurance that "I went to a bar just yesterday" has about as much meaning as countering news about a leprosy epidemic with the comment "why I shook hands with a guy just yesterday who still had all his fingers..."

Hahaha, a good one.:)

tonytony
13-02-2015, 13:26
If your very wealthy and your money is kept in Cyprus in dollars or euros, then it's going to take a lot to wipe the smile of your face....:roll eyes:

Only Russians gauge the economy by looking at the wealthy..


Not all Russians do that. The Federal State Statistics Service, Rosstat, certainly does a bit more than that.

In January, overall inflation was at 15% and food inflation was 20.7% year on year. The cost of fruit and vegetables has increased by 40.7% in a year. But booze hasn't done so badly as alcohol is only up by 14%.

Also, just from December to January prices have risen by 3.9% in just one month.

http://www.gks.ru/bgd/free/b04_03/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d05/22.htm

Unless there are comparable wage rises then a lot of people in Russia are going to be tightening their belts this year and there will be a lot less discretionary spending.

Nobbynumbnuts
13-02-2015, 13:54
Not all Russians do that. The Federal State Statistics Service, Rosstat, certainly does a bit more than that.

In January, overall inflation was at 15% and food inflation was 20.7% year on year. The cost of fruit and vegetables has increased by 40.7% in a year. But booze hasn't done so badly as alcohol is only up by 14%.

Also, just from December to January prices have risen by 3.9% in just one month.

http://www.gks.ru/bgd/free/b04_03/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d05/22.htm

Unless there are comparable wage rises then a lot of people in Russia are going to be tightening their belts this year and there will be a lot less discretionary spending.

Of course the government issue these stats. they are obliged to do so.
My point, that ordinary people in Russia don't always use the same criteria..

Who would claim that because an expensive restaurant (to most Russians) is busy, that's a barometer of the economy? Moscow is the centre of commerce, with many uber rich, what about ordinary Russians and those at the bottom of the social ladder? Don't they count? The statistics you posted are scary for ordinary Russians..

And true, unless the situation is reversed there's going to be a lot of people worse off this year.

FatAndy
13-02-2015, 14:37
:emote_popcorn:


If your very wealthy and your money is kept in Cyprus in dollars or euros, then it's going to take a lot to wipe the smile of your face....:rolleyes:
Not only Cyprus, BVI or Caymans suit too :)


Only Russians gauge the economy by looking at the wealthy..
Maybe :)

Tzushima
13-02-2015, 14:38
I wonder if Wally is as angry at the plutocrats of Russia as he seems to be at the plutocrats of the Western countries.

Armoured
13-02-2015, 15:34
I wonder if Wally is as angry at the plutocrats of Russia as he seems to be at the plutocrats of the Western countries.

Ah yes, you may have missed the laugh of the century about the Kerch bridge being awarded to a friend of the President:


Originally Posted by PJB
I believe this is what will happen and has been the plan all along. But I also believe the bridge contract will remain so that Putin's buddy will get his profits. Why else would you give a contract for a bridge to a company that has never built a bridge?

Wally's response:

You really lived in Russia? If it's his friend maybe he gave him a discount? You think too much like an American. Maybe just maybe he'll do a better job because he cares about his friend and Russia, but you would never think about that. Some people do care about more than money. Some people want to do the right thing.

So it's pretty straightforward: in WallyWorld, some plutocrats are just so patriotic that it's disloyal to think such things.

FatAndy
13-02-2015, 16:04
some plutocrats are just so patriotic that it's disloyal to think such things.
Do you envy, following PJB (and, in another threads, fenrir and Carl)? :rasta: Why? You have small bridge-building business? ;)

Armoured
13-02-2015, 16:08
Do you envy, following PJB (and, in another threads, fenrir and Carl)? :rasta: Why? You have small bridge-building business? ;)

No, I have no bridge-building business.

I think if the Russian government were to waste less money on stuff like this and sheer wastage, it could spend money on things that would improve the lives of Russians, and result in fewer (Russian) deaths.

But if your considered view is that money should go to well-connected plutocrats instead, fair enough.

FatAndy
13-02-2015, 16:16
I think if the Russian government were to waste less money on stuff like this and sheer wastage, it could spend money on things that would improve the lives of Russians, and result in fewer (Russian) deaths.

But if your considered view is that money should go to well-connected plutocrats instead, fair enough.
I think we'll manage ourselves somehow. ;)

Nobbynumbnuts
13-02-2015, 16:28
True, frankly speaking, this utter arrogance never ceases to amaze me. Well, no lambs to my neighbor pensioner, she would afford only 1 meal per month at that restaurant with her 8K rubles pension. Why? Because she spends 6K on her utility bills. I assume she survives only because her children bring her some food on occasion........

Yes, these ordinary people are the forgotten victims in this crisis...

Fantastika
13-02-2015, 20:10
Russian Lad, there it goes... :)

http://www.fairbrothers.com/expatphotos/womenrunformoney.gif

FatAndy
13-02-2015, 20:25
Uan handrid dollah!

Russian Lad
13-02-2015, 20:34
Russian Lad, there it goes...

You gotta run faster.:)

Uncle Wally
13-02-2015, 22:57
True, frankly speaking, this utter arrogance never ceases to amaze me. Well, no lambs to my neighbor pensioner, she would afford only 1 meal per month at that restaurant with her 8K rubles pension. Why? Because she spends 6K on her utility bills. I assume she survives only because her children bring her some food on occasion.



Hahaha, a good one.:)



Stop lying! The smallest pension anyone gets is 15,000 and pensioners get a break on utilities. They also get free bus and metro passes.

Carl
13-02-2015, 23:01
Not all Russians do that. The Federal State Statistics Service, Rosstat, certainly does a bit more than that.

In January, overall inflation was at 15% and food inflation was 20.7% year on year. The cost of fruit and vegetables has increased by 40.7% in a year. But booze hasn't done so badly as alcohol is only up by 14%.

Also, just from December to January prices have risen by 3.9% in just one month.

http://www.gks.ru/bgd/free/b04_03/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d05/22.htm

Unless there are comparable wage rises then a lot of people in Russia are going to be tightening their belts this year and there will be a lot less discretionary spending.

Yeah, but as Andy, Ben & Wally have been telling us for months, that has nothing to do with the sanctions. Have you not been listening? :yellowcard: The sanctions are actually a blessing for Russia and her citizenry.

Carl
13-02-2015, 23:03
Do you envy, following PJB (and, in another threads, fenrir and Carl)? :rasta: Why? You have small bridge-building business? ;)

Here we go again... Andy, and his (penis?) envy..

Carl
13-02-2015, 23:06
Stop lying! The smallest pension anyone gets is 15,000 and pensioners get a break on utilities. They also get free bus and metro passes.

So, living large by your accounting?

Uncle Wally
13-02-2015, 23:14
So, living large by your accounting?



No but the smarter ones rent out their Moscow apartments and live at the dacha or with their children or if it's in the center it Cyprus.


How many stupid comments do you think you can make this time before you get banned?

Russian Lad
13-02-2015, 23:25
Stop lying! The smallest pension anyone gets is 15,000 and pensioners get a break on utilities. They also get free bus and metro passes.
__________________

My dear uninformed and uneducated American alcoholic, please kindly be informed that the minimum pension in Russia is tied to the local minimum, see the table:
http://subsidii.net/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8/%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE/item/227-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BC%D1%83%D0%BC-%D0%B4%D0%BB%D1%8F-%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2.html

For Saint Petersburg - it is 7K rubles and it is 9K rubles for Moscow. The pension can even be less than that if you get the so called "social" pension, after reaching the pension age but lacking the work years needed for the regular pension - what is more, they plan to get rid of the social pension altogether in the future and many thousands (millions?) of Russians will be without any pension after the year 2020.

Carl
13-02-2015, 23:29
How many stupid comments do you think you can make this time before you get banned?

I don't know.. Let's watch together and see!:emote_popcorn:
I suspect it will require a real infraction this time tho.. But that just my take :-)

Nobbynumbnuts
13-02-2015, 23:32
My dear uninformed and uneducated American alcoholic, please kindly be informed that the minimum pension in Russia is tied to the local minimum, see the table:
http://subsidii.net/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8/%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE/item/227-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BC%D1%83%D0%BC-%D0%B4%D0%BB%D1%8F-%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2.html


Yes, i've been doing some research and came up with evidence of an average pension in Russia of 10,000 rubles, which if true would mean there are many pensioners on less than that.

Soon we're going to see an increase again of babushkas selling their possessions outside the metro......:(

Nobbynumbnuts
13-02-2015, 23:35
No but the smarter ones rent out their Moscow apartments and live at the dacha or with their children or if it's in the center it Cyprus...........

..and it's just the dumb ones begging in the metro then :rolleyes:

Russian Lad
13-02-2015, 23:53
I don't know.. Let's watch together and see!

They didn't ban him even after he called Fenrir a f'cking pussy and something else. The dude knows how to abuse hospitality, let's give him this one. The Russian "patriots" are desperate for ANY Western support these days, it seems. So, in this respect Wally fulfills an honorable mission here. They don't understand though that in fact Wally just emphasizes their awkward desperation and makes their position even more risible and ridiculous. So, let it be.:) I enjoy Wally. Bring up as many Wallies from the Moscow life gutters as you wish, I will crunch them all, - intellectually of course, not physically. I will reduce them all to a messy intellectual pulp... The pleasure is mine. Don't make me assume my ultimate form.

Carl
14-02-2015, 00:02
They didn't ban him even after he called Fenrir a f'cking pussy and something else. The dude knows how to abuse hospitality, let's give him this one. The Russian "patriots" are desperate for ANY Western support these days, it seems. So, in this respect Wally fulfills an honorable mission here. They don't understand though that in fact Wally just emphasizes their awkward desperation and makes their position even more risible and ridiculous. So, let it be.:) I enjoy Wally. Bring up as many Wallies from the Moscow life gutters as you wish, I will crunch them all, intellectually. I will reduce them all to intellectual pulp... The pleasure is mine.

Let's be clear here Lad.. It does see, that there is at least one "paid per post" member of the forum. And I'm certainly not suggesting that it's the forum that's doing the paying!!.. But he sure does seem to garner a fare amount of leeway.. Maybe they're just taking orders?:watching::watching:

Russian Lad
14-02-2015, 00:07
Talk about money wasted if he is paid for this.:)

Uncle Wally
14-02-2015, 00:12
..and it's just the dumb ones begging in the metro then :rolleyes:



And the young people begging in the metro? The pregnant ones?

The people begging on the street in the US?


In Moscow the minimum pension is 15,000 add that with the rent of 30,000. They could rent a room for 12,000 to 15,000 a month and have 30,000 to live on. Enough to buy food.

Nobbynumbnuts
14-02-2015, 00:18
And the young people begging in the metro? The pregnant ones?

The people begging on the street in the US?


In Moscow the minimum pension is 15,000 add that with the rent of 30,000. They could rent a room for 12,000 to 15,000 a month and have 30,000 to live on. Enough to buy food.

It's one thing to be st*pid, quite another to heartless...;)

Yaks
14-02-2015, 00:20
And the young people begging in the metro? The pregnant ones?

The people begging on the street in the US?


In Moscow the minimum pension is 15,000 add that with the rent of 30,000. They could rent a room for 12,000 to 15,000 a month and have 30,000 to live on. Enough to buy food.

and if they had a jet and subleased it to aeroflot and had a toll road they built when they were young, they could live quite well too. Your math skills are amazing.

Uncle Wally
14-02-2015, 00:24
and if they had a jet and subleased it to aeroflot and had a toll road they built when they were young, they could live quite well too. Your math skills are amazing.



They don't have a jet but they do have an apartment. I also know people who rent their apartments and travel the world. They haven't worked a day in their life.