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bydand
23-03-2016, 20:28
And they are ruble bonds so will pay out in rubles!

You going to buy them (the RF rubble bonds)?

Or (sic) go for the gold?

Uncle Wally
23-03-2016, 20:41
You going to buy them (the RF rubble bonds)?

Or (sic) go for the gold?


Why not? What's the yield on US bonds? Much less than the Russian bonds. Gold has done fairly well since the beginning of the year. If you bought gold last year when it was $900 oz it would have been even better. How's the dollar doing today?

FatAndy
23-03-2016, 20:54
There is only one Bond!

Смерть шпионам! ;)
Ура Виктор Семёнычу и Всеволоду Николаичу! ;)

Uncle Wally
23-03-2016, 21:14
A little more reality for bydand.



http://www.activistpost.com/2016/03/proof-it-is-rigged-fed-moved-93-of-entire-stock-market-since-2008.html

Russian Lad
24-03-2016, 03:11
How's the dollar doing today?

The dollar is falling - plus 38 rubles in comparison with how it was doing just two years ago. Why are you asking?
A clip showing the fall of the dollar, do watch it Wally, you don't need to understand the language to see its meaning.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqCWUAa-zeY

Russian Lad
26-03-2016, 09:58
Having a bank account in the west doesn't pay much interest either. In some places you even have to pay the bank to keep your money there. Then there is Cyprus where they just stole peoples money.

You are not answering my question, instead you opt to talk about something else. This is ridiculous, Wally, and you know it.
I can comment on that too - Sberbank interest rate for deposits was like 10-12% in 2014, if you kept money there you still lost a lot because of the ruble fall. One would have gained much more just by keeping dollars under the matress.


Nobody is taking those loans. The debt in Russia, by the government or by individuals is almost zero.

In america it is 20 trillion debt by the government alone, another 1 trillion in student debt etc etc. Similar in the UK and so too in Australia.

The reference to the international bankers, this term also encompasses the activities they have diversified into over the last 50 to 100 years. They are not just screwing the masses via the banking system but also via other corporate businesses that are parasites on society.

You are not answering my question either. Nobody is taking them? The debt by individuals in Russia is almost zero??? The official Russian stats tell us like up to 40% of Russians owe money to banks (to be more precise - 39 million people, which is over 50% of the economically active population), the whopping amount of 1.6 trillion! rubles! Why are you blatantly lying??? Why do you post at all? This is kindergarten. http://www.vedomosti.ru/finance/articles/2015/04/21/v-rossii-nachalis-massovie-sotsialnie-defolti

rumple_stilskin
26-03-2016, 12:25
You are not answering my question either. Nobody is taking them? The debt by individuals in Russia is almost zero??? The official Russian stats tell us like up to 40% of Russians owe money to banks (to be more precise - 39 million people, which is over 50% of the economically active population), the whopping amount of 1.6 trillion! rubles! Why are you blatantly lying??? Why do you post at all? This is kindergarten. http://www.vedomosti.ru/finance/articles/2015/04/21/v-rossii-nachalis-massovie-sotsialnie-defolti

That's about $200 for every man woman and child in Russia.

In Australia, it's about $80,000 per person.

In the USA, its $67,000 for every man woman and child in government debt alone.
In the USA, $3000 in student debt for every man, woman and child. (obviously only some people are or were students)
plus personal debt and corporate debt.

Do I need to write further, in Russia there is no debt.

Furthermore, refusal to take banker debt is what is referred to in western media, by western politicians, as "Russian aggression"


edit: ooops, i forgot, that's in USA federal government debt alone. I haven't included state debt.....like Detroit for example!!!!!!

Russian Lad
26-03-2016, 13:31
Do I need to write further, in Russia there is no debt.

Right, go tell it to my Russian friend with a wife, two kids and a huge mortgage debt. He owes it to bankers. So, your position is totally flawed and risible. It would hold some water if Russia was building communism or socialism like before. Now Russia is as capitalistic as one can get. It includes bankers and owing money to them, in many cases.

rumple_stilskin
26-03-2016, 14:25
Right, go tell it to my Russian friend with a wife, two kids and a huge mortgage debt. He owes it to bankers. So, your position is totally flawed and risible. It would hold some water if Russia was building communism or socialism like before. Now Russia is as capitalistic as one can get. It includes bankers and owing money to them, in many cases.

There has not been widespread take up of loans, for whatever reasons.

Your friend must be in the 1% of muppets. Generally speaking, Russians haven't take up these loans - thank god!
Whereas in western countries there are 40% muppets.

Russian Lad
26-03-2016, 15:20
Your friend must be in the 1% of muppets. Generally speaking, Russians haven't take up these loans - thank god!

The state statistics tell us a different story. 3500000 (three million 500 hundred thousand) Russians have mortgage apartments: http://www.ppl.nnov.ru/content/19538 Even in 2013 44% of Russian car buyers purchased cars on credit terms: http://news.drom.ru/24313.html and are now paying banks, with interest.
You are simply a vicious liar and an abominable troll. Which is boring, I have been hoping for a meaningful debate.

rumple_stilskin
26-03-2016, 16:41
The state statistics tell us a different story. 3500000 (three million 500 hundred thousand) Russians have mortgage apartments: http://www.ppl.nnov.ru/content/19538 Even in 2013 44% of Russian car buyers purchased cars on credit terms: http://news.drom.ru/24313.html and are now paying banks, with interest.
You are simply a vicious liar and an abominable troll. Which is boring, I have been hoping for a meaningful debate.

Morgaged apartments, that is s still only 2.5% of population whereas I said 1%. I was making an estimate and so still ball park, assuming your numbers are correct. Hardly can say vicious liar..

When I said 200$ debt per person, I was using your numbers where you seemed shocked their was 1.6 trillion roubles of debt - which is in fact nothing.

You have written about car loans, in 2013 was before crisis and so not even relevant now. Try using relevant numbers and in any case exactly how many people is this anyway? 1% of population or ?

Furthermore, I understand that a lot of foreign debt has been paid off in the last two years as a result of ratings agencies pulling the ratings(rather than banking sanctions as Chinese would have stepped in.). 2013 is old information.

Stop writing such angry posts, the simple facts are that relative to western countries there is no debt in Russia.

Fantastika- your video posted is blocked in Russia by YouTube.

Russian Lad
26-03-2016, 17:53
Yes, Rumple, you are a vicious liar, because on one hand you decry the slavery of bankers and on the other hand choose not to see that in Russia we also have capitalism, its most backward, I would say medieval form, with much higher bank interest rates on loans.
Most Russians I know are in debt. If Russians have less amounts of debt it is only because they can afford much less than people in the West. And millions of Russians are simply so dirt poor they cannot even take a loan, barely surviving and in many cases suffering from malnutrition because they cannot afford food.

fenrir
26-03-2016, 17:58
The state statistics tell us a different story. 3500000 (three million 500 hundred thousand) Russians have mortgage apartments: http://www.ppl.nnov.ru/content/19538 Even in 2013 44% of Russian car buyers purchased cars on credit terms: http://news.drom.ru/24313.html and are now paying banks, with interest.
You are simply a vicious liar and an abominable troll. Which is boring, I have been hoping for a meaningful debate.

rumple_stilskin and Wally don't do facts, even official Russian ones, if they don't fit their paranoid delusions.

A question: All the Russian regions that are drowning in debt and faced with default: Who do they owe all that money too?

fenrir
26-03-2016, 18:02
There are well over 500,000 forecloses right now in America. 47 million people living in poverty 45 million on food stamps.

You don't seem to understand the concept of relative poverty. The poor in the US own cars, smart phones and eat out in fast food places on a regular basis. The poor in Russia can't and don't.

Russian Lad
26-03-2016, 18:10
A question: All the Russian regions that are drowning in debt and faced with default: Who do they owe all that money too?

Let me guess - to the Tooth Fairy? To Santa? To Cinderella? To Rumple Stilskin? I am confused.:(

FatAndy
26-03-2016, 18:22
:emote_popcorn:

FatAndy
26-03-2016, 19:07
The last two years have seemed to you like four centuries, comrade? Oh, well, time certainly doesn't fly for you... :smug:
I didn't notice much changes - neither in my life, nor in the life of other ppl around.
Insha alla..

Nobbynumbnuts
26-03-2016, 19:48
...if banks are not lending money then that is a huge drain on the economy. Funding future growth and allowing an economy to achieve it's potential by the provision of funds has always been the major role of banks, since time began. If the banks are failing in this regard for whatever reason then the government will be concerned.
The Russian government help set up and promote a system where by Russians could finance the purchase of their homes through bank loans and the reason is very simple. More people by apartments, more get built and home ownership is a major wealth creator. A healthy construction industry means more people get employed (directly in the construction industry and indirectly through the associated industries. And how many people buy a new car, washing machine, take a holiday when they make a property transaction?) The effect of the property market on the economy is absolutely huge.

Russian Lad
26-03-2016, 21:22
I didn't notice much changes - neither in my life, nor in the life of other ppl around.
Insha alla..

So, many are still going to cheap vacations in Egypt and Turkey and prices are still the same for them there and here as two years ago? You are either in denial of the obvious (it happens to the victims of the Stockholm syndrom) or you belong to the Russian elite (I doubt it is the latter though, you would not be hanging around here on this forum, you would have other things to do). So, I can only conclude that you are in a denial. The same happened to one of my kvas friends here - his business is down, his income is down (in hard currency terms at least), he is buying hard currency at the current rate trying to save whatever little he has on his account(s) but he is just like you - no negative changes... This attitude can last for a while, but somehow I am sure it will not last for a long time.

Uncle Wally
26-03-2016, 22:43
...if banks are not lending money then that is a huge drain on the economy. Funding future growth and allowing an economy to achieve it's potential by the provision of funds has always been the major role of banks, since time began. If the banks are failing in this regard for whatever reason then the government will be concerned.
The Russian government help set up and promote a system where by Russians could finance the purchase of their homes through bank loans and the reason is very simple. More people by apartments, more get built and home ownership is a major wealth creator. A healthy construction industry means more people get employed (directly in the construction industry and indirectly through the associated industries. And how many people buy a new car, washing machine, take a holiday when they make a property transaction?) The effect of the property market on the economy is absolutely huge.

Wow are you brainwashed to the point of idiocy!

I bet you love blowing bubbles! For you Bubbles was a clown from your childhood. For the rest of us bubbles are something created to to make bankers richer and fool the middle class into losing (rich stealing) their money. The housing market in Russia is nothing like it is in the west. It is much harder to buy a home then flip it two years later for a profit. That is exactly what is wrong with the western housing market. A home is a place to live not a way to make money and jack up prices. This is one of the reasons why people in America had to bail out banks to the tune of 700 billion dollars. It's gotten so bad that over 500,000 people have defaulted on home loans and millions of people have had to move back in with mom. 60,000 homeless people in New York City alone! Rich getting richer the poor getting poorer and banks grabbing real assets because they know paper, fiat currency will die soon. There are still hugh bubbles today that can pop any minute.

fenrir
26-03-2016, 23:22
Wow are you brainwashed to the point of idiocy!

I bet you love blowing bubbles! For you Bubbles was a clown from your childhood. For the rest of us bubbles are something created to to make bankers richer and fool the middle class into losing (rich stealing) their money. The housing market in Russia is nothing like it is in the west. It is much harder to buy a home then flip it two years later for a profit. That is exactly what is wrong with the western housing market. A home is a place to live not a way to make money and jack up prices. This is one of the reasons why people in America had to bail out banks to the tune of 700 billion dollars. It's gotten so bad that over 500,000 people have defaulted on home loans and millions of people have had to move back in with mom. 60,000 homeless people in New York City alone! Rich getting richer the poor getting poorer and banks grabbing real assets because they know paper, fiat currency will die soon. There are still hugh bubbles today that can pop any minute.

You whine about such nonsense because you don't own any property. The people who have defaulted have at least had the chance to own a property. Otherwise, they would just be renters and THAT would be a true conspiracy if 1% owned everything and the other 99% could only rent.

Nobbynumbnuts
26-03-2016, 23:50
You whine about such nonsense because you don't own any property. The people who have defaulted have at least had the chance to own a property. Otherwise, they would just be renters and THAT would be a true conspiracy if 1% owned everything and the other 99% could only rent.

It's better to pay a mortgage than pay rent as long as you can afford the repayments. After years of paying rent you've got nothing, after years paying a mortgage you own the property AND have benefitted from the price increase. This is wealth creation which gives you options. Sell the property and use the money, downsize and use the excess cash to do the same, stay in the property mortgage free etc, etc.......It's a no brainer :winking:

Uncle Wally
27-03-2016, 12:05
You whine about such nonsense because you don't own any property. The people who have defaulted have at least had the chance to own a property. Otherwise, they would just be renters and THAT would be a true conspiracy if 1% owned everything and the other 99% could only rent.


You have to factor in taxes, maintenance, furnishings, insurance, inflation, time it takes to sell if you need to move. And you don't "own" it until you pay it off and get the title. So if you fail to make payments you also lose your down payment. And what are you going to do with it in 30 years? Sell it and rent an apartment? In that time all the other homes you could buy will have gone up too so the only "investment" is that in 30 years you can live rent free but you are still stuck with taxes, maintenance, insurance. Better to invest all the money you save by renting in something with higher yields. The way you talk shows you bought into the lie of home ownership and taking on large debt.

Nobbynumbnuts
27-03-2016, 12:19
...and now of course the resident idiot will proceed to identify those 'higher yield' investments! :laughing:

fenrir
27-03-2016, 12:40
You have to factor in taxes, maintenance, furnishings, insurance, inflation, time it takes to sell if you need to move. And you don't "own" it until you pay it off and get the title. So if you fail to make payments you also lose your down payment. And what are you going to do with it in 30 years? Sell it and rent an apartment? In that time all the other homes you could buy will have gone up too so the only "investment" is that in 30 years you can live rent free but you are still stuck with taxes, maintenance, insurance. Better to invest all the money you save by renting in something with higher yields. The way you talk shows you bought into the lie of home ownership and taking on large debt.

Are you really advocating that everyone should rent instead of buying? Who would they rent from then if no one owns property in your twisted little world?

Btw, you can't get away from taxes, maintenance, insurance in your rent-only scheme because they are factored into the amount of rent you pay!

fenrir
27-03-2016, 12:47
You have to factor in taxes, maintenance, furnishings, insurance, inflation, time it takes to sell if you need to move. And you don't "own" it until you pay it off and get the title. So if you fail to make payments you also lose your down payment. And what are you going to do with it in 30 years? Sell it and rent an apartment? In that time all the other homes you could buy will have gone up too so the only "investment" is that in 30 years you can live rent free but you are still stuck with taxes, maintenance, insurance. Better to invest all the money you save by renting in something with higher yields. The way you talk shows you bought into the lie of home ownership and taking on large debt.


You own the property enough to sell it at will and pocket the profit. I've done it along with millions of others. What's so hard to understand about that?

What do people do after 30 years when they pay off their mortgages? It's up to each individual but I can tell you what they don't do. They don't freeload free accommodation from friends while getting drunk every day and whining about how stupid property ownership is.

Uncle Wally
27-03-2016, 12:51
Are you really advocating that everyone should rent instead of buying? Who would they rent from then if no one owns property in your twisted little world?

Btw, you can't get away from taxes, maintenance, insurance in your rent-only scheme because they are factored into the amount of rent you pay!

In your dreams how can maintenance be factored in? You make the rent too high and nobody will rent it.

Do you really think that if there was a hugh rental market no one would invest in that?

Uncle Wally
27-03-2016, 13:01
You own the property enough to sell it at will and pocket the profit. I've done it along with millions of others. What's so hard to understand about that?

What do people do after 30 years when they pay off their mortgages? It's up to each individual but I can tell you what they don't do. They don't freeload free accommodation from friends while getting drunk every day and whining about how stupid property ownership is.


You're really jealous that my friend lets me stay here for free huh. He doesn't look at it as "freeloading". He looks at it like he can't rent this place anyway so why not let me live here and help with the remont. Anything that is even slightly different from the crap you've had stuffed down your throat is just too incomprehensible for your brain huh.

Uncle Wally
27-03-2016, 13:05
Oh and for "selling at will" you need a buyer first so you are dependent on that. There is no at will about it.

Armoured
27-03-2016, 13:36
Do you really think that if there was a hugh rental market no one would invest in that?

If I'm not mistaken, Wally just signalled that he's a believer in the Efficient Markets Theorem!

Capitalist monster!

Nobbynumbnuts
27-03-2016, 13:41
..i've been on this site since 2001, seen some half-wits in that time but none bigger than Wally! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

FatAndy
27-03-2016, 14:50
Chill down, hot Estonian guys, turn back to economy (today, as yesterday and 400 years before, torn into pieces). :)

fenrir
27-03-2016, 16:26
In your dreams how can maintenance be factored in? You make the rent too high and nobody will rent it.

Do you really think that if there was a hugh rental market no one would invest in that?

You really are dim. Do you really know so little about property and how the rental market works? Do you really think people rent their property out for a loss?

fenrir
27-03-2016, 16:33
You're really jealous that my friend lets me stay here for free huh. He doesn't look at it as "freeloading". He looks at it like he can't rent this place anyway so why not let me live here and help with the remont. Anything that is even slightly different from the crap you've had stuffed down your throat is just too incomprehensible for your brain huh.

Why would I be jealous of your freeloading when I own a flat here in Tallinn and have property elsewhere. I don't have to beg someone for a place to crash. You do. Talk to some Russian women and ask them what they respect more in a man: freeloading in someone else's flat or owning your own (or better yet, owning 2 or 3!).

fenrir
27-03-2016, 16:34
Do you really think that if there was a hugh rental market no one would invest in that?

How would they invest in it, Wally? That would involve using credit from evil, trying-to-take-over-the-world bankers.

You say everyone should be renters. Who are the owners then?

Fantastika
27-03-2016, 16:42
There was this robbery in New York, the robber shouted to everyone: "Nobody move, the money belongs to the state, life belongs to you." Everyone in the bank laid down quietly.

This is called "Mind Changing Concept --> Changing the conventional way of thinking".

One lady lay on the table provocatively, the robber shouted at her "Please be civilized! This is a robbery and not a rape!"

This is called "Being Professional --> Focus only on what you are trained to do!"

When the robbers got back, the younger robber, MBA trained, told the older robber (who was only primary school educated), "Big bro, let's count and see how much we got". The older robber rebutted and said, "You very stupid, so much money, how to count, tonight TV will tell us how much we robbed from the bank!"

This is called "Experience --> nowadays experience is more important than paper qualifications!"

After the robbers left, the bank manager told the bank supervisor to call the police quickly. The supervisor said "Wait, wait, wait, let's put the $5 million we embezzled into the amount the robbers robbed".

This is called "Swim with the tide --> converting an unfavorable situation to your advantage!"

The supervisor says "It will be good if there is a robbery every month".

This is called "Killing Boredom --> Happiness is most important."

The next day, TV news reported that $100 million was taken from the bank. The robbers counted and counted and counted, but they could only count $20 million. The robbers were very angry and complained, "We risked our lives and only took $20 million, the bank manager took $80 million with a snap of his fingers. It looks like it is better to be educated to be a thief!"

This is called "Knowledge is worth as much as gold !"

The bank manager was smiling and happy because his loss in the stock market and hedge fund were now covered by this robbery.

This is called "Seizing the opportunity --> daring to take risks!"

Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world.

Russian Lad
27-03-2016, 16:43
Capitalist monster!

Yeah, Wally is a true capitalist shark indeed. Working undercover here I think... Befriending all those gullible, drunk Russians in restaurants pretending to be their friend and laughing together with them, but who knows what is inside his pocket, a recorder, a camera with a microfilm perhaps?:) Let's not be fooled, comrades, Wally has many tricks up his sleeve.

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Uncle Wally
27-03-2016, 17:52
Why would I be jealous of your freeloading when I own a flat here in Tallinn and have property elsewhere. I don't have to beg someone for a place to crash. You do. Talk to some Russian women and ask them what they respect more in a man: freeloading in someone else's flat or owning your own (or better yet, owning 2 or 3!).


Because you just have to work your life away. All the while dreaming if being rich.

fenrir
27-03-2016, 18:09
Because you just have to work your life away. All the while dreaming if being rich.

You talk about work like it is a bad thing. It isn't. Try it sometime.

Most people don't dream of being rich. They are content with having a comfortable lifestyle.

Russian Lad
27-03-2016, 18:15
Hey, Fenrir, he is working hard on expat.ru here. Do you think it is easy for Wally to spread all his wisdom and knowledge here among such stupid chaps like you and me? He should definitely ask for a raise in his Olgino headquarters. Wally, ask for at least 22 rubles per post, this current 15 rubles/post tariff is a joke and you know it. If you get 22 rubles, you will be able to buy two loafs of this legendary bread for just one post.

Nobbynumbnuts
27-03-2016, 18:19
You talk about work like it is a bad thing. It isn't. Try it sometime.

Most people don't dream of being rich. They are content with having a comfortable lifestyle.

Wally doesn't need to work..........................................he's in 'higher yield' investments! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Uncle Wally
27-03-2016, 21:55
You talk about work like it is a bad thing. It isn't. Try it sometime.

Most people don't dream of being rich. They are content with having a comfortable lifestyle.

No you don't see the difference. I have "worked" much more than you. The only difference is I love my "work". I live for my work. I wake up and my "work" is the first thing I think of. My wives have complained that I play drums in my sleep! I am tapping my hands and moving my feet. They have also asked my, is all you talk about is drums? Well yeah. What else is there? It's the only thing I've known since the day I was born. Music and rhythm, the basic language of the universe. Something that is understandable to all cultures.


You lazy people don't understand what it's like to wake up and minutes later start your job. Nobody telling you what to do, just relying upon yourself to be good enough every day in front of people who will judge you ever second and let you know when they think you have not done good enough. I have had to keep proving my self every day and am only as good as my last performance. You go to work and have a set time. I have no set time. I can work for 5,minutes or three days straight. Imagination and creativity has no time frame and you can create something good in fives minutes or it can take you months or years. It is easy to just repeat something you've been taught but much harder to come up with something new. Everything I do from the time I wake up until the time I go to sleep "and even in my sleep" has to do with what I love and what makes me a living. There is no rest. Go and do your job then drive 500 miles get little sleep and try to do your job again and be so ****ing great at it that people want more. You can fool people with English lessons or flipping a bad burger but when you perform bad people will let you know instantly, a second after you have hit a bad note, they can even throw things at you, yell and scream. You can be here today and gone tomorrow. But
to don't have to kiss someone's ass. You can actually find that others want to lick your ass and suck your dick! Pay for your food and help you with a place to live. Women want to have your babies. And isn't that what life is all about? Having babies, helping others and doing as much good as we can? Help but not hurt, love and not take live and except our fate. You and numbnuts no matter how much you try will never be better than anything that lives and will surely die. Life is a circle, we go round and round so don't judge yourself by the pound. $

Uncle Wally
27-03-2016, 22:06
Wally doesn't need to work..........................................he's in 'higher yield' investments! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

No Wally can just find money on the street, what Wally needs just somehow comes to him. You are the fool who doesn't know how the world works. Keep working so hard so when you die you can give it all away, loser, but since you have no children your lifes work will come to nothing and will soon be forgotten.

Carl
27-03-2016, 22:22
Wally doesn't need to work..........................................he's in 'higher yield' investments! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Willy's doing just fine! You forget the royalty checks he collects from his #1 hit songs!!

fenrir
27-03-2016, 22:59
Willy's doing just fine! You forget the royalty checks he collects from his #1 hit songs!!

Those royalty checks are so big and he works so hard that he has to couch surf to avoid sharing a bench in the local park with the other drunks.

Uncle Wally
27-03-2016, 22:59
Willy's doing just fine! You forget the royalty checks he collects from his #1 hit songs!!


I could buy me a watch or smoke big cigars, I could act like I know why I think a plane crash has gone too far. But I will never hate and do as you do. Love is where it's at and your money is poo poo.

Russian Lad
27-03-2016, 23:11
I play drums in my sleep! I am tapping my hands and moving my feet

Lol. You are a rather restless chap, Wally.:)

Uncle Wally
27-03-2016, 23:14
Wow I never met a bunch of sour hateful people as I've seen on this and more so on the other site. Don't you have anything to do but better to do than act like a slob?

Russian Lad
27-03-2016, 23:15
Well, Wally, you are our star, we are here merely to enjoy your words of wisdom and to learn from them. Think about it this way, - if I didn't have you for this here, I would have to embrace Rusmeister's ideas - a totally abominable thought I shudder at.

Uncle Wally
27-03-2016, 23:16
Lol. You are a rather restless chap, Wally.:)

No I am a chap who has drank too much but will never forget that we are all in the same fus.

Uncle Wally
27-03-2016, 23:19
Well, Wally, you are our star, we are here merely to enjoy your words of wisdom and to learn from them. Think about it this way, - if I didn't have you for this here, I would have to embrace Rusmeister's ideas - a totally abominable thought I shudder at.


It's you who are worried and not me.

Uncle Wally
27-03-2016, 23:22
It's you who are worried and not me.


I think it's you that has "missed" the bus.

Russian Lad
27-03-2016, 23:36
You seem to be talking to yourself now, Wally, quoting yourself and commenting on it. It is a bit unusual, but please go on, sorry for interrupting your conversation with yourself.

Fantastika
28-03-2016, 01:27
You guys are missing the point. Capitalism is not just about money.

The basic axiom of Capitalism is "Exchange" - you exchange money, and goods and services.

For example, Charlie helped me move furniture all day. I traded him a jewelry box and a guitar instead of paying him money.

Or an English teacher in Russia gets free rent in exchange for helping the tenant hone his English. One can, instead of paying rent, perform services, such as house-sitting. Or security guard, or handyman, or a million other things. Wally may be providing services for the apartment owner.

When fair exchange gets screwed up - when someone gets "something for nothing" (welfare, or parents treating their children as spoiled brats) then there are bad consequences - the recipients of "free money" become criminals or don't know how to deal with money. On the other hand, when people are expected to work for nothing, then that also is not a fair exchange, it is called slavery.

It is not all about money.

Fantastika
28-03-2016, 01:29
Finally some clarity on this stuff about high grocery prices in Russia:

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/much-washingtons-disappointment-russians-are-still-not-starving/ri13458

Price inflation in food relates almost exclusively to imported products, where the presently adverse exchange rate accounts for higher prices

Russian Lad
28-03-2016, 01:45
I have a couple of lady friends in St Petersburg, intellectuals of pension age, who did their own test on themselves to see if they could get by on their low category state pension of 10,000 rubles per month (about $145 per month). To their surprise and pleasure, they found they could get by, meaning feed themselves acceptably well, use public transport, go to theaters and concerts as in the past.


Well, Fantastika, do you realize the article you have posted a link to is capital B-sh't? That's an excerpt from your article here. Do you understand that the payment for utilities alone is around 5-7K rubles per month in Saint Pete??????? Even if they own their apartments, they still must pay for their utilities every month.

Fantastika
28-03-2016, 02:24
Well, Fantastika, do you realize the article you have posted a link to is capital B-sh't? That's an excerpt from your article here. Do you understand that the payment for utilities alone is around 5-7K rubles per month in Saint Pete??????? Even if they own their apartments, they still must pay for their utilities every month.

Receiving 20,000 in pensions, spending 5000 for utilities, that leaves 15,000 for popcorn. :emote_popcorn:

Russian Lad
28-03-2016, 03:27
Receiving 20,000 in pensions, spending 5000 for utilities, that leaves 15,000 for popcorn. :emote_popcorn:

That's not what your article says. It says 10K - it got that right, there are many pensioners receiving that much here, and I see dozens of them daily from my window rummaging through the garbage container in the yard below, sometimes eating the rotten food they find right there on the spot and/or collecting glass bottles and tin cans - this activity can hardly be classified as "going to theaters and museums". Your article is bullsh;t and you know because you have just desperately tried to lie talking about 20000 pension all of a sudden whereas it says 10K in your own article. Why do you Kvas Force people always lie??? Are you that desperate?

Uncle Wally
28-03-2016, 07:40
That's not what your article says. It says 10K - it got that right, there are many pensioners receiving that much here, and I see dozens of them daily from my window rummaging through the garbage container in the yard below, sometimes eating the rotten food they find right there on the spot and/or collecting glass bottles and tin cans - this activity can hardly be classified as "going to theaters and museums". Your article is bullsh;t and you know because you have just desperately tried to lie talking about 20000 pension all of a sudden whereas it says 10K in your own article. Why do you Kvas Force people always lie??? Are you that desperate?

You are so full of crapola. Who you trying to lie to? We live here and can see what's going on. That article is pretty much truth. If you want to blame anyone for Putin's popularity blame America because before they started their take over of Ukraine Putin's approval rating wasn't so high. America is trying to make you suffer so you go out in the street and overthrow Putin but it has had the opposite effect. Maybe it's just in St Petersburg that has people picking through the trash because it ain't happening here in Moscow. The shops are full and restaurants too, nobody is doing as bad as you try to make us believe, which won't work because we can see it's all lies with our own eyes.

Uncle Wally
28-03-2016, 08:02
You seem to be talking to yourself now, Wally, quoting yourself and commenting on it. It is a bit unusual, but please go on, sorry for interrupting your conversation with yourself.

Oh man you wouldn't believe how much I drank last night! I don't know how I could have posted at all never mind just quoted the wrong post.

Russian Lad
28-03-2016, 11:22
Oh man you wouldn't believe how much I drank last night! I don't know how I could have posted at all never mind just quoted the wrong post.

:):winking:

Fantastika
28-03-2016, 12:33
That's not what your article says. It says 10K - it got that right...Your article is bullsh;t and you know because you have just desperately tried to lie talking about 20000 pension all of a sudden whereas it says 10K in your own article. Why do you Kvas Force people always lie??? Are you that desperate?

They live together. 10k + 10k = 20k

Russian Lad
28-03-2016, 13:41
They live together.

As a family? Two lesbian babushkas? Where does it say all that?

Fantastika
28-03-2016, 14:06
As a family? Two lesbian babushkas? Where does it say all that?

Lesbians? You're thinking about musicians. :)

You never shared an apartment? Why shouldn't two people live together and share expenses? Obviously a much higher percentage in Russia live together, families or non-related roommates, than in US, where there are many people living alone in house/apartment.

Russian Lad
28-03-2016, 14:22
Lesbians? You're thinking about musicians. :)

You never shared an apartment? Why shouldn't two people live together and share expenses? Obviously a much higher percentage in Russia live together, families or non-related roommates, than in US, where there are many people living alone in house/apartment.

That's all your pure fantasies, your article doesn't say that. Wally says it is a true article, so I assume their 10K pension is also true. I know many such old people among my neighbors, so I can confirm that. And I am telling you that utilities payments are like 4-7K rubles+ per month. So, these babushkas are barely surviving and are suffering from lack of food, if you do the math. Millions of Russians live in these inhumane conditions bordering on everyday torture. All because people like you and Wally support what is being done - you bear direct responsibility for their infernal suffering. You are the cheerleaders of pure, undiluted economic Evil, because such low pensions are certainly Evil. I hope you two are not religious, because if you are, I see no way how your souls may be saved and sent to Heaven. :smug:

Uncle Wally
28-03-2016, 15:21
That's all your pure fantasies, your article doesn't say that. Wally says it is a true article, so I assume their 10K pension is also true. I know many such old people among my neighbors, so I can confirm that. And I am telling you that utilities payments are like 4-7K rubles+ per month. So, these babushkas are barely surviving and are suffering from lack of food, if you do the math. Millions of Russians live in these inhumane conditions bordering on everyday torture. All because people like you and Wally support what is being done - you bear direct responsibility for their infernal suffering. You are the cheerleaders of pure, undiluted economic Evil, because such low pensions are certainly Evil. I hope you two are not religious, because if you are, I see no way how your souls may be saved and sent to Heaven. :smug:


Pensioners get a discount on utilities and those lucky enough to have children get help from them.

Fantastika
28-03-2016, 15:48
Pensioners get a discount on utilities and those lucky enough to have children get help from them.

I don't think he understands the concepts of "roommate," "living together" and "sharing things."

Uncle Wally
28-03-2016, 15:49
23% of working age Americans are unemployed.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/1-4-americans-25-54-not-working/806178

fenrir
28-03-2016, 16:34
23% of working age Americans are unemployed.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/1-4-americans-25-54-not-working/806178

Here is the wikipedia entry on your source:

The Weekly Standard is an American neoconservative opinion magazine published 48 times per year. Its founding publisher, News Corporation, debuted the title on September 18, 1995. Currently edited by founder William Kristol and Fred Barnes, the Standard has been described as a "redoubt of neoconservatism" and as "the neo-con bible"

Since it was founded in 1995, The Weekly Standard has never been profitable, and has remained in business through subsidies from conservative benefactors such as former owner Rupert Murdoch.

Neo-con and Murdock. Have you new friends, Wally?

Nobbynumbnuts
28-03-2016, 16:40
.........Neo-con and Murdock. Have you new friends, Wally?

..i hear he's cozying up to the bankers as well :laughing:

Fantastika
28-03-2016, 16:44
Here is the wikipedia entry on your source:

The Weekly Standard is an American neoconservative opinion magazine published 48 times per year. Its founding publisher, News Corporation, debuted the title on September 18, 1995. Currently edited by founder William Kristol and Fred Barnes, the Standard has been described as a "redoubt of neoconservatism" and as "the neo-con bible"

Since it was founded in 1995, The Weekly Standard has never been profitable, and has remained in business through subsidies from conservative benefactors such as former owner Rupert Murdoch.

Neo-con and Murdock. Have you new friends, Wally?

Wikipedia is unfailingly slanted to the Progressive Left when it comes into contact with anything political and contemporary. For example, a white organization that calls for an end to preferential treatment for blacks, that is, an organization dedicated to equality for all ethnic groups, is described, in Wikipedia, as "racist." If you change the Wikipedia entry to say "equality", then , next day, you will see that someone else (such someone obviously working for an aggressive, intolerant, taxpayer-funded "civil rights" organization) has changed it back to "racist."

So, the nicest way I can put this, is to say that Wikipedia has no credibility when it comes to politics.

Judge
29-03-2016, 08:19
I guess it's better than no increase ,




Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev announced on Monday that the minimum monthly wage in Russia will increase to 7,500 rubles ($110) starting from July 1, the Interfax news agency reported.

The minimum wage currently stands at 6,204 rubles ($91) and so the new figure will be an increase of 21 percent.

However, the minimum wage in Russia remains significantly lower than the minimum subsistence level, which is currently 9,452 rubles ($139).

Labor Minister Maxim Topilin said earlier this week that raising the minimum wage to the subsistence level will require three years, the RIA Novosti news agency reported.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russia-raises-minimum-monthly-wage-to-110/563917.html

Russian Lad
29-03-2016, 15:11
I guess it's better than no increase

It is a pitiful joke and you know it. If you ask why, it is explained in your article.* The minimum salary of the poorest employed Afroamerican is many times higher. However, it is not like it matters much or changes anything at this juncture. Buckle up and get ready for another ruble fall, kvas boys and girls. Hope you have had time to rush to an obmennik and to help Uncle Sam with your hard-earned rubles. After all, you received an early warning. It is such a perfect zugzwang it is breath-taking. :tongue::smug:

*
However, the minimum wage in Russia remains significantly lower than the minimum subsistence level, which is currently 9,452 rubles ($139).

Judge
30-03-2016, 01:01
It is a pitiful joke and you know it. If you ask why, it is explained in your article.* The minimum salary of the poorest employed Afroamerican is many times higher. However, it is not like it matters much or changes anything at this juncture. Buckle up and get ready for another ruble fall, kvas boys and girls. Hope you have had time to rush to an obmennik and to help Uncle Sam with your hard-earned rubles. After all, you received an early warning. It is such a perfect zugzwang it is breath-taking. :tongue::smug:

*

Of course there is no pleasing all, especially you, this is the second raise this year, 4% in January and now 21%.
Why mention the US, why not the UK or German minimum wage. ..

Russian Lad
30-03-2016, 01:26
Of course there is no pleasing all, especially you, this is the second raise this year, 4% in January and now 21%.

It is not about pleasing someone, it is about letting someone survive, physically. Or, respectively, not letting it. Once again, torture is prohibited by all international conventions and laws. And when the minimum salary is below the minimum subsistence level what is it if it is not torture?
In case you have trouble understanding English, here is the definition of the word "subsistence" from Merriam-Webster:


Definition of subsistence
1
a the condition of remaining in existence : continuation, persistence

2
: means of subsisting: as
a : the minimum (as of food and shelter) necessary to support life


Why mention the US, why not the UK or German minimum wage. ..

That's a good point. Actually, the nominal annual minimum wage in Russia is closer to the one in Nigeria, Angola and Albania - equally great countries with a lot of success.

Judge
30-03-2016, 06:20
It is not about pleasing someone, it is about letting someone survive, physically. Or, respectively, not letting it. Once again, torture is prohibited by all international conventions and laws. And when the minimum salary is below the minimum subsistence level what is it if it is not torture?
In case you have trouble understanding English, here is the definition of the word "subsistence" from Merriam-Webster:





That's a good point. Actually, the nominal annual minimum wage in Russia is closer to the one in Nigeria, Angola and Albania - equally great countries with a lot of success.

Then report your government to some forigen organisation for torturing its own citizens.
Like I said, a 25% increase in 6 months is better than nothing, they know there is a problem and with elections on the horizon are trying to do something about it maybe a bit late, we will see come elections. .

If you think that I believe this is a satisfactory increase then let me help you out with understanding English.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/better+than+nothing

Fantastika
30-03-2016, 08:45
Why not just raise the minimum wage to $5000/month? :rofl:

Also, order the bureaucrats to adjust the "subsistence level" to $1/day. :rofl:

Fantastika
30-03-2016, 10:54
Looks like somebody is taking my advice to buy gold:

Gold-buying-spree-makes-Russia-the-worlds-largest-consumer/ (http://www.mining.com/gold-buying-spree-makes-of-russia-the-worlds-largest-consumer/)

Russian Lad
30-03-2016, 10:55
Then report your government

I love my government! I think it is the fault of Americans who don't let us prosper!


we will see come elections

The elections will show the win of who is needed. We both know how it works. Churov has been complained about, so Panfilova has taken up his 100% decorative role - he has done nothing wrong though and those who complained about him are just misinformed. The "changes" that are needed are implemented at a lower level anyway it seems. Anyway, it is all of a very little use because of the crumbling economy. Economy is the key and the heel of Achilles, elections and their results - I am not interested in all this at all. I know only one crucial valve on this high pressure vessel, and it is economics.

Fantastika
30-03-2016, 11:04
Last week, Russian foreign reserves increased by another $5.8 billion to $386.9 billion.

Russian Lad
30-03-2016, 11:23
Last week, Russian foreign reserves increased by another $5.8 billion to $386.9 billion.

They were 509 billion in the beginning of 2014. Perhaps you should analize it annually instead of daily or weekly?:) Probably it would make more sense. You know, 120 billion dollars is a lot of money. Where is it? Perhaps it has been used on medical care, improvement of roads, bettering of the standard of living and so forth?:)

Fantastika
30-03-2016, 14:36
They were 509 billion in the beginning of 2014. Perhaps you should analize it annually instead of daily or weekly?:) Probably it would make more sense. You know, 120 billion dollars is a lot of money. Where is it? Perhaps it has been used on medical care, improvement of roads, bettering of the standard of living and so forth?:)

You're measuring in $dollar$. In January, 2014, the rubble was 33 to the buck. Now it's 70.

Nice try, but no banana! :)

Russian Lad
30-03-2016, 14:53
You're measuring in $dollar$.

You measured it in dollars too, didn't you? You Kvas Force people seem to be out of your depth lately. Completely disoriented, lost and lying without even a modicum of truth to make your lies at least seem plausible.:smug:


In January, 2014, the rubble was 33 to the buck. Now it's 70.

You are saying it if it is a great success. What will you say when it hits 100 - Russia has won because one can get even more rubles for one dollar?

FatAndy
30-03-2016, 14:57
:emote_popcorn:

Fantastika
30-03-2016, 15:04
You're trying to imply that Russian reserves are lower than in Jan., 2014. In fact, the opposite is true.

Russia uses the ruble, they do not do bookkeeping in dollars.

The ruble won't go to 100. If a Republican is elected, then the worldwide media will go into manic/depressive mode, attacking the new US government, causing the confidence level to plummet, which will lead to the collapse of the dollar. If a Democrat is elected, then the economies of the rest of the world will stop supporting the economic instability of continuing US $trillion deficits, which will lead to the collapse of the dollar.

Uncle Wally
30-03-2016, 15:10
You measured it in dollars too, didn't you? You Kvas Force people seem to be out of your depth lately. Completely disoriented, lost and lying without even a modicum of truth to make your lies at least seem plausible.:smug:



You are saying it if it is a great success. What will you say when it hits 100 - Russia has won because one can get even more rubles for one dollar?


Well right now the ruble is going the other way. It's a lot closer to 50 and heading in that direction.

Russian Lad
30-03-2016, 17:14
You're trying to imply that Russian reserves are lower than in Jan., 2014. In fact, the opposite is true.

Russia uses the ruble, they do not do bookkeeping in dollars.

I am not trying to imply anything, I am openly telling you this. This fact is recognized even by the Russian state authorities, are you questioning their statements??? It is called hard currency reserves of the RF, they are kept in hard currency and are counted in hard currency. 2+2=4. You and Wally need to attend high school again maybe. Hope that helps.:smug::big-grin: What an unbelievable kindergarten.

29900

Fantastika
30-03-2016, 17:35
I am not trying to imply anything, I am openly telling you this. This fact is recognized even by the Russian state authorities, are you questioning their statements??? It is called hard currency reserves of the RF, they are kept in hard currency and are counted in hard currency. 2+2=4. You and Wally need to attend high school again maybe. Hope that helps.:smug::big-grin: What an unbelievable kindergarten.

Lemme see if I got this straight. Russia has $380 Billion in reserves, and if the ruble goes to 1000 to the dollar or if it goes to 10 to the dollar, Russia will still have $380 Billion in reserves, and they are not allowed to trade for gold, oil, vehicles, wheat, Kalishnikov's, Barbie dolls or anything else, with rubles.

How does the ruble fit in? Has it been banned by the UN now? :)

Russian Lad
30-03-2016, 17:50
and they are not allowed to trade for gold, oil, vehicles, wheat, Kalishnikov's, Barbie dolls or anything else, with rubles.

How does the ruble fit in? Has it been banned by the UN now?

I can give you extra lessons in macroeconomics and finances for money, you know too much already.:)

Uncle Wally
30-03-2016, 17:55
I can give you extra lessons in macroeconomics and finances for money, you know too much already.:)

Yes it kept in dollars, euros a few more currencies and gold and it's growing again not shrinking.

Judge
04-04-2016, 19:51
The worst of Russia's crash might be over

The latest data from Russia suggests that the worst of its recession might be over.

According to the state statistics service, Rosstat, Russia's economy shrank 3.8% year-over-year in the fourth quarter.

The number appears to be consistent with a seasonally adjusted quarter-on-quarter fall of 0.8%, although Rosstat has not published these figures yet.

This follows a 3.7% year-over-year fall in the third quarter, which was revised up from the original 4.1% reading.

Although the headline GDP growth number might not seem stellar in light of the Q3 revised reading, Capital Economics' Liza Ermolenko argues that this was due to "one-off factors."

"The key driver of the sharper fall in Q4 GDP compared to Q3 was a steeper slump in household consumption. However, this was the result of unfavorable base effects as consumer spending boomed in Q4 2014 on the back of panic-buying spurred by the collapse in the ruble," she explained.

http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-q4-2015-gdp-2016-4

Russian Lad
05-04-2016, 14:49
The worst of Russia's crash might be over

Of course it is, of course... Might, maybe, can be, chances are... It has all been just a bad dream. Lol. Meanwhile, the dollar is 69 and the ruble is rolling back to the gutter at full speed...

Uncle Wally
05-04-2016, 21:00
Of course it is, of course... Might, maybe, can be, chances are... It has all been just a bad dream. Lol. Meanwhile, the dollar is 69 and the ruble is rolling back to the gutter at full speed...



Ok Chicken Little easy does it. You being such a genus at ruble exchange should understand that the ruble will go up at the end of the month and back up the first week of the month as business pay out and then have to buy.

Russian Lad
05-04-2016, 21:05
Ok Chicken Little easy does it. You being such a genus at ruble exchange should understand that the ruble will go up at the end of the month and back up the first week of the month as business pay out and then have to buy.

I need a translator.:scared:

Uncle Wally
05-04-2016, 21:17
I need a translator.:scared:



Look up the fairly tale about Chicken Little. You have Yandex don't you? Or maybe The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

FatAndy
05-04-2016, 21:21
I need a translator.:scared:
Oi wei... Hire him/her for clutching oiros... ;)




:emote_popcorn:

Uncle Wally
05-04-2016, 22:35
Oi wei... Hire him/her for clutching oiros... ;)




:emote_popcorn:



Now I need a translator.

Russian Lad
05-04-2016, 23:58
Now I need a translator.

I think he meant clinking euros.:smug: Wally, many experts I trust say that even if oil sticks around 40 (it has averaged much less than that during the last three months) the ruble needs to devalue further and the dollar should cost 75 rubles in the near future (minimum). Don't forget, there is the budget to balance, business payout or no business payout (guess you mean taxes), and the gaping hole in the budget is widening every day... Soon it will be wider than the arse of a porn star. It is an ideal zugzwang.

Fantastika
06-04-2016, 00:10
Oreo's. :)

Fantastika
06-04-2016, 12:02
I think he meant clinking euros.:smug: Wally, many experts I trust say that even if oil sticks around 40 (it has averaged much less than that during the last three months) the ruble needs to devalue further and the dollar should cost 75 rubles in the near future (minimum). Don't forget, there is the budget to balance, business payout or no business payout (guess you mean taxes), and the gaping hole in the budget is widening every day... It is an ideal zugzwang.

Here is short history of the most recent "bailouts":

● Savings & Loan 1989 After the widespread failure of savings and loan institutions, President George H. W. Bush signed and Congress enacted the Financial Institutions Reform Recovery and Enforcement Act in 1989. (What happened after the bailout?) $293.3 billion
● Airline Industry 2001 The terrorist attacks of September 11 crippled an already financially troubled industry. To bail out the airlines, President Bush signed into law the Air Transportation Safety and Stabilization Act, which compensated airlines for the mandatory grounding of aircraft after the attacks. The act released $5 billion in compensation and an additional $10 billion in loan guarantees or other federal credit instruments. (What happened after the bailout?) $18.6 billion
● Bear Stearns 2008 JP Morgan Chase and the federal government bailed out Bear Stearns when the financial giant neared collapse. JP Morgan purchased Bear Stearns for $236 million; the Federal Reserve provided a $30 billion credit line to ensure the sale could move forward. $30 billion
● Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac 2008 On Sep. 7, 2008, Fannie and Freddie were essentially nationalized: placed under the conservatorship of the Federal Housing Finance Agency. Under the terms of the rescue, the Treasury has invested billions to cover the companies' losses. Initially, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson put a ceiling of $100 billion for investments in each company. In February, Tim Geithner raised it to $200 billion. The money was authorized by the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008. $400 billion
● American International Group (A.I.G.) 2008 On four separate occasions, the government has offered aid to AIG to keep it from collapsing, rising from an initial $85 billion credit line from the Federal Reserve to a combined $180 billion effort between the Treasury ($70 billion) and Fed ($110 billion). ($40 billion of the Treasury’s commitment is also included in the TARP total.) $180 billion
● Auto Industry 2008 In late September 2008, Congress approved a more than $630 billion spending bill, which included a measure for $25 billion in loans to the auto industry. These low-interest loans are intended to aid the industry in its push to build more fuel-efficient, environmentally-friendly vehicles. The Detroit 3 -- General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- will be the primary beneficiaries. $25 billion
● Troubled Asset Relief Program 2008 In October 2008, Congress passed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, which authorized the Treasury Department to spend $700 billion to combat the financial crisis. Treasury has been doling out the money via an alphabet soup of different programs. Here’s our running tally of companies getting TARP funds. $700 billion
● Citigroup 2008 Citigroup received a $25 billion investment through the TARP in October and another $20 billion in November. (That $45 billion is also included in the TARP total.) Additional aid has come in the form of government guarantees to limit losses from a $301 billion pool of toxic assets. In addition to the Treasury's $5 billion commitment, the FDIC has committed $10 billion and the Federal Reserve up to about $220 billion. $280 billion
● Bank of America 2009 Bank of America has received $45 billion through the TARP, which includes $10 billion originally meant for Merrill Lynch. (That $45 billion is also included in the TARP total.) In addition, the government has made guarantees to limit losses from a $118 billion pool of troubled assets. In addition to the Treasury's $7.5 billion commitment, the FDIC has committed $2.5 billion and the Federal Reserve up to $87.2 billion. $142.2 billion

There were also significant bailouts of European banks in 2008.

Note that Barrack Obama has spent $1.5 Trillion on bailouts.

Q. Where did the money come from for these bailouts?
A. Barack printed it. That is, the central banks, including the IMF, provide the money, printing SDR's. Whenever a big bank, or a big company, needs a bailout, the central banks print more bonds and add increased figures on the computer. "Money" is not gold, or silver, money is electrons and paper.

Q. What happens if the central banks need a bailout? Who will print the money when the Central Banks themselves need a bailout, say, in the Crash of 2018?
A. ?

Q. What would happen if China, Russia and Iran decide to declare a new currency, backed up by gold, (call it the "Panda-Bear") and refuse to trade or deal with any other countries unless it is in "Panda-Bear's"?
A. Why are China, Russia and now, Iran, buying up all the world's gold?

Me, I think it's a good time to buy gold. Forget the Ruble, Dollar, etc., they are just electrons and paper.

Judge
06-04-2016, 12:43
What would happen if China, Russia and Iran decide to declare a new currency, backed up by gold, (call it the "Panda-Bear") and refuse to trade or deal with any other countries unless it is in "Panda-Bear's"?

Some believe that's what Gaddafi had in mind, the French didn't like this plan and asked for help from America to topple Gaddafi,

https://news.vice.com/article/libyan-oil-gold-and-qaddafi-the-strange-email-sidney-blumenthal-sent-hillary-clinton-in-2011

This was suppose to have come from the released Hillary emails which she didn't protect,

Remember the "We came, we saw, he died!" from her?
The French leaders still like to play the empire game..

Uncle Wally
06-04-2016, 14:46
Some believe that's what Gaddafi had in mind, the French didn't like this plan and asked for help from America to topple Gaddafi,

https://news.vice.com/article/libyan-oil-gold-and-qaddafi-the-strange-email-sidney-blumenthal-sent-hillary-clinton-in-2011

This was suppose to have come from the released Hillary emails which she didn't protect,

Remember the "We came, we saw, he died!" from her?
The French leaders still like to play the empire game..



That's exactly what happened. Saddam too. Started selling oil for Euros. Now they are saying it was Hillary that made this whole Panama thing possible. It was her husband that deregulated the banks back in 1998 that paved the for the 2007 crisis. Russia and China are already trading in their own currency.

fenrir
10-04-2016, 12:57
Iran steps up offense in oil market war with price discount

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-wp-blm-oil-iran-5ac647c4-fd75-11e5-813a-90ab563f0dde-20160408-story.html

It looks like another of Russia's friends is going to stab it in the back.

TolkoRaz
10-04-2016, 13:13
I think this is probably more about the oil war and proxy war between Iran and the KSA.

Tehran is not concerned about the price; they just want and need foreign currency, and they need it now. Because of the sanctions, they have had oil in storage waiting for the day that they can off-load in bulk onto the market.

fenrir
10-04-2016, 16:06
I think this is probably more about the oil war and proxy war between Iran and the KSA.

Tehran is not concerned about the price; they just want and need foreign currency, and they need it now. Because of the sanctions, they have had oil in storage waiting for the day that they can off-load in bulk onto the market.

It's going to get even worse. Both sides seem ready and willing to keep ramping up production.

Saudi Oil Gambit Moves to Phase Two

http://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2016-04-10/saudi-arabia-oil-gambit-moves-to-phase-two

TolkoRaz
10-04-2016, 18:58
It's going to get even worse. Both sides seem ready and willing to keep ramping up production.

Saudi Oil Gambit Moves to Phase Two

http://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2016-04-10/saudi-arabia-oil-gambit-moves-to-phase-two

A perfect example of Politics affecting Economics and of stubborn mindsets rooted in the schism between Sunni & Shia.

Uncle Wally
10-04-2016, 21:46
A perfect example of Politics affecting Economics and of stubborn mindsets rooted in the schism between Sunni & Shia.



Yeah the should add to the US Constitution a clause. Separation between government and religion and business.

Russian Lad
10-04-2016, 23:40
I do hope to see oil at 28 and below rather soon. It would be ideal if it stayed around 25 for a year. The current price is a rip-off and a daylight robbery.:tongue:

Judge
11-04-2016, 05:52
I do hope to see oil at 28 and below rather soon. It would be ideal if it stayed around 25 for a year. The current price is a rip-off and a daylight robbery.:tongue:

Don't hold your breath, some big players think the ruble will gain some more,

Why Hedge Funds Are Loading Up on Rubles

http://bloom.bg/25T1FJJ

Fantastika
11-04-2016, 11:57
Oil below $40/barrel isn't profitable for producers. There may some periodic swings, but about $40 is probably the floor.

Gold (and Silver) are poised to climb again on Monday...

Ruble, Gold, and other non-Dollar investments are becoming more appealing as uncertainty is generated by upcoming US elections

Diversify, Lad, diversify!

Russian Lad
11-04-2016, 16:50
Oil below $40/barrel isn't profitable for producers. There may some periodic swings, but about $40 is probably the floor.

We will see. The floor? You mean the bottom, right? What if someone knocks from below and another hatch opens up? It has happened before - I clearly remember kvas screams about 80 being the absolute bottom, then someone knocked from below.

zzhhst
11-04-2016, 21:24
We will see. The floor? You mean the bottom, right? What if someone knocks from below and another hatch opens up? It has happened before - I clearly remember kvas screams about 80 being the absolute bottom, then someone knocked from below.

Gentleman, do you not realize that we are nothing more than a chess piece? When will you see East West war not war terror not terror its a big f'ng game. It is all bullshit. My family sits down in the East for dinner my family wakes up in the West for breakfast. :smile:

Russian Lad
11-04-2016, 23:28
Gentleman, do you not realize that we are nothing more than a chess piece?

Sorry to disappoint you, but I have my own chessboard and my own pieces to play with.:smug: Even Wally has his own sandbox and a plastic shovel (we took the metal one away from him because he kept hurting himself with it), and it keeps him content if not happy. We don't know about you.:)

Uncle Wally
12-04-2016, 05:47
Sorry to disappoint you, but I have my own chessboard and my own pieces to play with.:smug: Even Wally has his own sandbox and a plastic shovel (we took the metal one away from him because he kept hurting himself with it), and it keeps him content if not happy. We don't know about you.:)



He's calling us all "pawns'.

I don't know about you but I play doctor with real nurses and everything.

Judge
14-04-2016, 07:48
Jim Rogers still bullish on Russia,


Rogers is ready to buy stakes in oil company Bashneft and diamond mining company ALROSA.
"I am sure there will be some good buys," he told Reuters in an interview.
At the same time, the businessman wanted to make sure that the companies are not under Western anti-Russian sanctions.
"I am an American and I have to be a little bit careful," he noted.
Jim Rogers is the chairman of the investment firms Rogers Holdings and Beeland Interests, Inc, and co-founded the Quantum Group of private hedge funds with George Soros in 1973.
In addition, the US millionaire plans investments into the Russian tourist and agricultural industries.
"I am trying to buy into a Russian tourist company, I am optimistic about Russian tourism," he said.


Read more: http://sputniknews.com/business/2016...#ixzz45m03tUvm


I agree with his optimism on tourism. ..

Internal tourism picked up here because less people traveling abroad, a decrease of about 30%, but with ruble gaining and economy said to be on the road to recovery soonish :straight-face:,we will probably see another tourist boom here in the coming months, years.

Fantastika
14-04-2016, 14:15
I think someone said earlier you can order things from China, online, for very low prices compared to Russian products. Is this true?

In the US, on Ebay, there are thousands of items for $1 or so, from China, that a US producer can only make a profit on at $4 or so. For example, I got a USB wireless adapter for $1 from Hong Kong. The cheapest US adapter was at $7.

And Western Europe, I bet, would be the same.

This would lead to "hollowing out" of industry in the West and Russia, and have a disparate economic impact.

Russian Lad
14-04-2016, 15:19
I think someone said earlier you can order things from China, online, for very low prices compared to Russian products. Is this true?

In the US, on Ebay, there are thousands of items for $1 or so, from China, that a US producer can only make a profit on at $4 or so. For example, I got a USB wireless adapter for $1 from Hong Kong. The cheapest US adapter was at $7.

And Western Europe, I bet, would be the same.

This would lead to "hollowing out" of industry in the West and Russia, and have a disparate economic impact.

What industry in Russia? Does Russia produce USB wireless adapters? It is rather hard to make a gas filling station "produce" anything but gas...

Judge
14-04-2016, 15:38
I think someone said earlier you can order things from China, online, for very low prices compared to Russian products. Is this true?

In the US, on Ebay, there are thousands of items for $1 or so, from China, that a US producer can only make a profit on at $4 or so. For example, I got a USB wireless adapter for $1 from Hong Kong. The cheapest US adapter was at $7.

And Western Europe, I bet, would be the same.

This would lead to "hollowing out" of industry in the West and Russia, and have a disparate economic impact.

I think that was me, but not Russian products, but the same product both made in China, cheaper if you buy direct from China instead of buying from a local shop in Moscow ,you cut out the middleman. .
This was in the news recently,
https://www.rt.com/business/338911-russian-alibaba-platform-created/

Russian Lad
14-04-2016, 20:33
I think that was me, but not Russian products, but the same product both made in China, cheaper if you buy direct from China instead of buying from a local shop in Moscow ,you cut out the middleman. .
This was in the news recently,
https://www.rt.com/business/338911-russian-alibaba-platform-created/

So, what Russian goods will be sold through this new platform? You know, I am worried now. Is it going to compete with international dating sites and offer Russian brides? I cannot think about any real products. Hemp, candles, honey, rubber boots, galoshi and furs, maybe those? Will there be takers?

Fantastika
15-04-2016, 00:57
I think that was me, but not Russian products, but the same product both made in China, cheaper if you buy direct from China instead of buying from a local shop in Moscow ,you cut out the middleman. .
This was in the news recently,
https://www.rt.com/business/338911-russian-alibaba-platform-created/

What I was trying to get at is that the Chinese government, in violation of the spirit of the WTO, unfairly subsidizes their exporters, on these small items. On everything from USB flash drive, to light bulb, to towel, China will sell individual items.

For example, I can order a Flash Drive on EBay...I search for "sort by price, from lowest price to highest price". The first 100 or so listings are all from China. They all offer free shipping. So you can get a flash drive for $.50 (fifty cents). The lowest shipping rate in the US is $2.60 (for a small package). Even if I could offer flash drive for $.50, I would have to sell at $3,10. But China is selling flash drive for 50 cents including shipping. Such a situation will drive US producers into bankruptcy and make everyone dependent on Chinese crap. There are literally thousands of products on Ebay that follow this pattern. You can see the Chinese seller has 200,000 sales, the American has 20.

Obviously the Chinese government is subsidizing their shipping cost. In the real world, if you go into a Post Office in Hong Kong and want to ship an item to the US, you will pay $10 or so. But these Chinese EBay sellers somehow get free shipping. Obviously, it is a unified Chinese government + Chinese producer + Chinese marketer racketeering effort to corner this market. Their intent is to crush competition and control 100% of the market, and bring all the world's money to China.

Just another example of an unfair business practice by Red China.

I have no doubt Russian "partnership" with Ali Baba with leave the Russian with no shirt, and the Chinaman with two shirts.

Russian Lad
15-04-2016, 02:31
I have no doubt Russian "partnership" with Ali Baba with leave the Russian with no shirt, and the Chinaman with two shirts.

You are not supposed to say that, China is our great friend and the turn of our dear leader from the West to China is his (and our) outstanding achievement, comrade.

Judge
15-04-2016, 09:31
So, what Russian goods will be sold through this new platform? You know, I am worried now. Is it going to compete with international dating sites and offer Russian brides? I cannot think about any real products. Hemp, candles, honey, rubber boots, galoshi and furs, maybe those? Will there be takers?

Give me a day or 6 and I'll draw up a list of Russian goods for you. .

Russian Lad
15-04-2016, 10:26
Give me a day or 6 and I'll draw up a list of Russian goods for you. .

Take your time... Don't forget to add a few brands of Russian-made smartphones, tv-sets, vacuum cleaners, computers and so forth. The idea of making this platform is the same as the "Russian" Yota-phone or the "Russian" search engine sputnik - they are not exactly Russian and no one is using them except for paid propagandists and a few people who like everything weird and sloppily made.

Alan65
15-04-2016, 14:09
I think that was me, but not Russian products, but the same product both made in China, cheaper if you buy direct from China instead of buying from a local shop in Moscow ,you cut out the middleman. .
This was in the news recently,
https://www.rt.com/business/338911-russian-alibaba-platform-created/

Will this be hosted in the Yandex data centre in ..................Finland :winking:

Judge
15-04-2016, 14:27
Take your time... Don't forget to add a few brands of Russian-made smartphones, tv-sets, vacuum cleaners, computers and so forth. The idea of making this platform is the same as the "Russian" Yota-phone or the "Russian" search engine sputnik - they are not exactly Russian and no one is using them except for paid propagandists and a few people who like everything weird and sloppily made.

Ok


Will this be hosted in the Yandex data centre in ..................Finland :winking:

Yes

Fantastika
15-04-2016, 15:00
I think that was me, but not Russian products, but the same product both made in China, cheaper if you buy direct from China instead of buying from a local shop in Moscow ,you cut out the middleman. .
This was in the news recently,
https://www.rt.com/business/338911-russian-alibaba-platform-created/

If you cut out the middleman, then the middleman has no job.

fenrir
18-04-2016, 15:46
So much for oil going up due to a production freeze as some here had hoped.

Oil is getting obliterated

https://www.yahoo.com/

Oil price dives after producers fail to agree output cap

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36070255

Judge
18-04-2016, 16:07
If you cut out the middleman, then the middleman has no job.

Do you still go to the travel agent when booking a flight and hotel?

Fantastika
19-04-2016, 09:35
Do you still go to the travel agent when booking a flight and hotel?

That's a little different - it's a Russian agent booking your flight (usually) on a Russian airliner and Russian hotel. This makes sense - no one is going to pay the middleman booking agent when they can do it more cheaply and faster on the internet. But the money stays within Russia, it doesn't fly away to some other country.

When you allow China to sell direct to Russia (or to the US, for that matter) the people employed at your domestic retail stores lose their jobs, and the people who might be employed in a Russian factory to make a competitive product also lose their jobs. China gains money, becomes wealthy, at the expense of the world's other economies.

China, Inc. uses currency manipulation to prevent other countries from building factories. Others can't compete against the low wages (due to currency manipulation) the Chinese overlords pay their workers, and the Communist Chinese also subsidize their exporters with free postage on a micro-level, low shipping costs on a macro-level, and they subsidize their manufacturers so they can cheaply produce more goods.

Red China also uses 1001 other regulatory shenanigans and unethical trade practices to promote their products in other countries and prevent foreigners from selling in China.

I like Trump because he knows what's going on, at least in this business area. None of the other candidates has a clue.

There is an old saying, "as American as Mom, Apple Pie, and Chevrolet"...nowadays, the US is importing Chinese apples, the Chevy is made in Asia, and Chinese females abuse the US immigration system to have anchor babies. There are more Chinese immigrants than Mexicans.

zzhhst
19-04-2016, 17:50
American as Mom, Apple Pie, and Chevrolet. Fantastika you are showing your age. Growing up in Michigan It was "baseball hot dogs apple pie and Chevrolet".

FatAndy
19-04-2016, 20:55
American as Mom, Apple Pie, and Chevrolet.
And peanut butter!!! And chicken with maple syrup!!!:

:D

Fantastika
19-04-2016, 21:22
And peanut butter!!! And chicken with maple syrup!!!:

:D

I bring jars of peanut butter with me when I visit Russland, but I never heard of chicken with maple syrup. :)

I do make my pizza's the Russian way, though, with pineapple!

Uncle Wally
27-04-2016, 20:19
Gee nobody wants to talk about the Russian economy getting better? Strange.

fenrir
27-04-2016, 22:19
Gee nobody wants to talk about the Russian economy getting better? Strange.

Maybe that's because it isn't.

Russia's Housing Sector Is Slowing Down Sharply

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2016/04/26/russias-housing-sector-is-slowing-down-sharply/#59d3fbfd1a15

Uncle Wally
27-04-2016, 23:10
Maybe that's because it isn't.

Russia's Housing Sector Is Slowing Down Sharply

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2016/04/26/russias-housing-sector-is-slowing-down-sharply/#59d3fbfd1a15

Sorry I couldn't get through even the first paragraph of bullsh*t. The ruble is going up and so is oil, I watch from the balcony of my new place the speed of building going on. Not to mention the amount. It's been awhile since I've walked around Ochakovo (for the last few years I only went from the train station to the baza and back) and I am amazed at how much has been built. Just on the train ride to Kievskya you can't believe how many buildings have gone up in Raminki! They are building a new road with bridges leading onto Mosfilm street making the trip into the center easier. A new sport center is going up on the edge of the Olympic village across from the FSB School and new metro stations will open soon. You're article is bull, designed to make you look away from the unrest in your own country. Why don't you talk about the protests that have been going on in Europe and America? How shoddy and corrupt US elections seem to be? How over 50% of Americans don't believe anything the US mass media says? I read an article about big banks manipulating gold and sliver prices, something you should really worry about because it's obvious that Wall Street has been manipulated for years, interest rates, housing prices and most of all the dollar which is why banks had to manipulate gold and sliver. America is on the edge! Russia is getting stronger and more serious about being self sufficient.

Russian Lad
28-04-2016, 00:34
Sorry I couldn't get through even the first paragraph of bullsh*t.

Wally, we all know you are not able to read anything longer than an sms due to the lack of proper education, so I will try to help you by putting the article in an sms format:

The largest declines were seen in Siberian regions like Tomsk, Novosibirsk and Sverdlovsk, where output fell by as much as 70%.

However, as one might expect, the slowdown was noticeably less pronounced in relatively wealthy regions like Moscow and Petersburg.



Why don't you talk about the protests that have been going on in Europe and America? How shoddy and corrupt US elections seem to be? How over 50% of Americans don't believe anything the US mass media says?

In the thread titled "Economic situation in Russia"? Wally, are you drunk again? Like in the video below? Do you play balalaika before you get wasted and begin posting here?


The ruble is going up and so is oil

Actually what I predicted is happening - oil is up almost two dollars per barrel today but ruble is not reacting, it is about the same as yesterday. The worst possible, nightmare economic scenario unfolds as we speak. They are printing money, I am sure of it. When oil is 28-30 again ruble will fall like a stone.:smug::tongue:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjvy-L7AWNA&feature=youtu.be

Uncle Wally
28-04-2016, 10:14
Wally, we all know you are not able to read anything longer than an sms due to the lack of proper education, so I will try to help you by putting the article in an sms format:





In the thread titled "Economic situation in Russia"? Wally, are you drunk again? Like in the video below? Do you play balalaika before you get wasted and begin posting here?



Actually what I predicted is happening - oil is up almost two dollars per barrel today but ruble is not reacting, it is about the same as yesterday. The worst possible, nightmare economic scenario unfolds as we speak. They are printing money, I am sure of it. When oil is 28-30 again ruble will fall like a stone.:smug::tongue:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjvy-L7AWNA&feature=youtu.be



After you try to insult me by saying I can't read anything longer than an sms you go write a whole page full of crap?

Carl
28-04-2016, 10:37
After you try to insult me by saying I can't read anything longer than an sms you go write a whole page full of crap?

He wrote three lines..!:laughing: Maybe there is some truth to Lad's theory regarding your reading skills..?:confused:

Russian Lad
28-04-2016, 11:30
He wrote three lines..!

Well, it is an sms page all right, Wally is absolutely correct.

FatAndy
28-04-2016, 12:32
:emote_popcorn:

Uncle Wally
28-04-2016, 13:39
He wrote three lines..!:laughing: Maybe there is some truth to Lad's theory regarding your reading skills..?:confused:


Nope. This is too long also. Can't bother to read it.

Russian Lad
28-04-2016, 14:00
Can't bother to read it.

New incoming sms-message for the poster Wally: Try smelling, licking or eating it then. It will work for you just fine as well.:)

fenrir
28-04-2016, 21:55
Sorry I couldn't get through even the first paragraph of bullsh*t. The ruble is going up and so is oil, I watch from the balcony of my new place the speed of building going on. Not to mention the amount. It's been awhile since I've walked around Ochakovo (for the last few years I only went from the train station to the baza and back) and I am amazed at how much has been built. Just on the train ride to Kievskya you can't believe how many buildings have gone up in Raminki! They are building a new road with bridges leading onto Mosfilm street making the trip into the center easier. A new sport center is going up on the edge of the Olympic village across from the FSB School and new metro stations will open soon. You're article is bull, designed to make you look away from the unrest in your own country. Why don't you talk about the protests that have been going on in Europe and America? How shoddy and corrupt US elections seem to be? How over 50% of Americans don't believe anything the US mass media says? I read an article about big banks manipulating gold and sliver prices, something you should really worry about because it's obvious that Wall Street has been manipulated for years, interest rates, housing prices and most of all the dollar which is why banks had to manipulate gold and sliver. America is on the edge! Russia is getting stronger and more serious about being self sufficient.

You're biting the hand that feeds you again. The article is based on Rosstat data, so you are actually saying official Russian government information is BS. Good going, jimbo. FSB has already taken note of your latest example of disloyalty. One too many times and there will be hurried footsteps on the stairs at 3 AM followed by an ominous knocking on the door.

Uncle Wally
28-04-2016, 22:48
New incoming sms-message for the poster Wally: Try smelling, licking or eating it then. It will work for you just fine as well.:)

If you can't get the gist of it in a few lines or drink it I could really care less.

Uncle Wally
28-04-2016, 23:04
You're biting the hand that feeds you again. The article is based on Rosstat data, so you are actually saying official Russian government information is BS. Good going, jimbo. FSB has already taken note of your latest example of disloyalty. One too many times and there will be hurried footsteps on the stairs at 3 AM followed by an ominous knocking on the door.


The name is Wally. Mr. Uncle Wally to you.

I lived in Raminki for 13 years, my neighbors were either professors at MGU, military, police or FSB. I moved here because I had friends that grew up here and because it's just a great place. One of my very good friends dad was a KGB general and was head of the FMS under Yelsin. I have been friends with these people for 20 years and am now like family. This is why I was invited back to help a friend.

Russian Lad
28-04-2016, 23:44
One too many times and there will be hurried footsteps on the stairs at 3 AM followed by an ominous knocking on the door.

Wally is sitting in his dimly lit kitchen littered with empty bottles, a glass of vodka poised in mid-air, eyeballing with apprehension the police boots dangling in his kitchen window, hurriedly trying to hide his wig, a map of Moscow, a microfilm and a compass. Wally knows the drill - there will be a powerful knock on his door within seconds, he doesn't have any time to waste. Timing is of an essence and there is still hope. A document with the latest instructions from Langley is burning in his ashtray while he is hurriedly chewing and swallowing another piece of evidence.:tongue:

Alan65
29-04-2016, 01:32
Wally is sitting in his dimly lit kitchen littered with empty bottles, a glass of vodka poised in mid-air, eyeballing with apprehension the police boots dangling in his kitchen window, hurriedly trying to hide his wig, a map of Moscow, a microfilm and a compass. Wally knows the drill - there will be a powerful knock on his door within seconds, he doesn't have any time to waste. Timing is of an essence and there is still hope. A document with the latest instructions from Langley is burning in his ashtray while he is hurriedly chewing and swallowing another piece of evidence.:tongue:

See, this is what I do not understand about Wally, I can understand Judge and Vossy, both been in Russia for a long time, when Wally came on the scene Vossy thought Wally was me, if Wally has all of these contacts why is he not more like Vossy ?

Russian Lad
29-04-2016, 04:23
See, this is what I do not understand about Wally, I can understand Judge and Vossy, both been in Russia for a long time, when Wally came on the scene Vossy thought Wally was me, if Wally has all of these contacts why is he not more like Vossy ?

I believe most of these contacts exist and are eager to render their valuable assistance to him only in his head, after a liter of vodka. :smug::loser:

Uncle Wally
29-04-2016, 05:26
Wally is sitting in his dimly lit kitchen littered with empty bottles, a glass of vodka poised in mid-air, eyeballing with apprehension the police boots dangling in his kitchen window, hurriedly trying to hide his wig, a map of Moscow, a microfilm and a compass. Wally knows the drill - there will be a powerful knock on his door within seconds, he doesn't have any time to waste. Timing is of an essence and there is still hope. A document with the latest instructions from Langley is burning in his ashtray while he is hurriedly chewing and swallowing another piece of evidence.:tongue:


You should really write books. You have such a vivid imagination.

Carl
29-04-2016, 11:11
I believe most of these contacts exist and are eager to render their valuable assistance to him only in his head, after a liter of vodka. :smug::loser:

You mean all those billionaires & millionaires, ministers & generals, rock stars & pop stars, and kings and queens are figments of Willie's imagination?
Say it ain't so Willy! Say it ain't so...!

FatAndy
29-04-2016, 11:48
You should really write books. You have such a vivid imagination.
The Cultural Capital! ;)

Russian Lad
29-04-2016, 12:18
The Cultural Capital! ;)

The cradle of three revolutions.:tongue:


You mean all those billionaires & millionaires, ministers & generals, rock stars & pop stars, and kings and queens are figments of Willie's imagination?
Say it ain't so Willy! Say it ain't so...!

Yeah, poor Wally.

FatAndy
29-04-2016, 12:31
The cradle of three revolutions.:tongue:
And city-hero, yes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32cxEz19CEY

Russian Lad
29-04-2016, 13:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPzKJtfHFJ0

Uncle Wally
29-04-2016, 15:06
You mean all those billionaires & millionaires, ministers & generals, rock stars & pop stars, and kings and queens are figments of Willie's imagination?
Say it ain't so Willy! Say it ain't so...!


I wish you were just a figment of my imagination.

fenrir
29-04-2016, 17:51
The name is Wally. Mr. Uncle Wally to you.

I lived in Raminki for 13 years, my neighbors were either professors at MGU, military, police or FSB. I moved here because I had friends that grew up here and because it's just a great place. One of my very good friends dad was a KGB general and was head of the FMS under Yelsin. I have been friends with these people for 20 years and am now like family. This is why I was invited back to help a friend.

That bogus story and a handful of rubles will get you into the cinema. No matter who your friends supposedly are, as soon as you become a liability, you will be thrown under the bus. No ifs, ands or buts.

Uncle Wally
29-04-2016, 20:02
That bogus story and a handful of rubles will get you into the cinema. No matter who your friends supposedly are, as soon as you become a liability, you will be thrown under the bus. No ifs, ands or buts.


Coming from a guy who grew up in the American system and could never think for himself just convinces me that I am right. Where have you got? You struggle and just tread water to keep you lame self afloat. No mind of your own.

fenrir
29-04-2016, 22:29
Coming from a guy who grew up in the American system and could never think for himself just convinces me that I am right. Where have you got? You struggle and just tread water to keep you lame self afloat. No mind of your own.

That's pretty funny coming from the guy who only parrot's the 1st channel.

Btw, I own my own flat, have a successful career, and I LIVE WITH MY CHILDREN. You couch surf, drink rotgut and have a bunch of lame stories. No comparison. I also travel 4-6 weeks every year. So far this year, I have have been in Russia, Finland and the UK. How often do you go abroad?

Russian Lad
29-04-2016, 23:04
That bogus story and a handful of rubles will get you into the cinema.

And maybe an ice-cream from the most gullible babushkas.


That's pretty funny coming from the guy who only parrot's the 1st channel.

Wally also watches RT and reads Sputnik News (well, at least he can handle the headlines) - a must among the informed kvas patriots melee. Let's not be so cruel to our dear Wally by denying him even the inception traits of an intellect.:)

Fantastika
29-04-2016, 23:34
Back on topic, Gazprom is finally back over $5/share and Yandex is higher than it's been in a year. (Those are the 2 Russian stocks I keep an eye on).

Gold and Silver also hit yearly highs today. I think they will continue to rise given the unsettled nature of things - US elections, Turkey, Syria, immigration, North Korea, Iran, и.т.п. A lot of uncertainty, probably through the remainder of the year. I outsmarted myself, I built up my $300 to $1000 with buying Gold (GLD) call options a couple of weeks ago, then I thought gold would decline in price (a "temporary correction"), so I sold my calls for puts...but gold continued to rise, so I lost that cash. I should follow my own advice...

Russian Lad
30-04-2016, 00:04
Back on topic, Gazprom is finally back over $5/share and Yandex is higher than it's been in a year. (Those are the 2 Russian stocks I keep an eye on).

You don't care about the real situation?:) At all?:) Gazprom's gas costs 56% less now, say, for Germany, than even a year ago. The US is beginning to ship its LPG to Europe, now it is a small river, soon it will be an ocean. But you are welcome to buy Gazprom shares now that you know it. Hohoho.

Uncle Wally
30-04-2016, 05:58
That's pretty funny coming from the guy who only parrot's the 1st channel.

Btw, I own my own flat, have a successful career, and I LIVE WITH MY CHILDREN. You couch surf, drink rotgut and have a bunch of lame stories. No comparison. I also travel 4-6 weeks every year. So far this year, I have have been in Russia, Finland and the UK. How often do you go abroad?


Ha! I don't have to travel, I'm already in Russia you fool!

Uncle Wally
30-04-2016, 06:01
You don't care about the real situation?:) At all?:) Gazprom's gas costs 56% less now, say, for Germany, than even a year ago. The US is beginning to ship its LPG to Europe, now it is a small river, soon it will be an ocean. But you are welcome to buy Gazprom shares now that you know it. Hohoho.


The US is on the verge of collapse. Nothing left in the money master's bag of tricks.

Russian Lad
30-04-2016, 07:09
The US is on the verge of collapse. Nothing left in the money master's bag of tricks.

Kindly inform us about the year of the imminent collapse of the US, comrade. The last time I heard about it was back then:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBVjIAMo8c

fenrir
30-04-2016, 10:09
Ha! I don't have to travel, I'm already in Russia you fool!

That's another way to say that you CAN'T travel. Not having gainful employment leaves one in that kind of situation.

Fantastika
30-04-2016, 11:54
I don't think traveling is a virtue, per se, any more than owning a Ferrari. Yes, I love to travel and vacation, but I always feel like I want to stay where I am visiting, then when/if I am a resident, it stops being "travel." Even when I am traveling, I always take the notebook, so i can continue working on projects.

Uncle Wally
30-04-2016, 23:13
That's another way to say that you CAN'T travel. Not having gainful employment leaves one in that kind of situation.


I traveled up and down the east coast from Maine to Florida for more than ten years. Hitting a different city ever day. I would go off for a month or two come home for a month or two then back on the road. I hate travel. I loved that when I came to Moscow I could find enough work with good enough pay all in one city. You just sit on your fat ass all day in the same place. You're such a jet setter now aren't you. You travel 4 to 6 weeks in the summer because you haven't got any students then. Finland? Really? Why because it's so close and there for cheap? I got Russian friends how travel around the world for 8 months out of the year and haven't had to work a job for the last 17 years. There is only a few countries in Africa and South America they haven't been to.

Where are you gonna collect your pension? You been paying your US taxes and social security? I'm pretty sure Estonia will only pay a pension for citizens of Estonia, meaning you have dual citizenship and pay taxes in both countries.

fenrir
01-05-2016, 10:43
I traveled up and down the east coast from Maine to Florida for more than ten years. Hitting a different city ever day. I would go off for a month or two come home for a month or two then back on the road. I hate travel. I loved that when I came to Moscow I could find enough work with good enough pay all in one city. You just sit on your fat ass all day in the same place. You're such a jet setter now aren't you. You travel 4 to 6 weeks in the summer because you haven't got any students then. Finland? Really? Why because it's so close and there for cheap? I got Russian friends how travel around the world for 8 months out of the year and haven't had to work a job for the last 17 years. There is only a few countries in Africa and South America they haven't been to.

Where are you gonna collect your pension? You been paying your US taxes and social security? I'm pretty sure Estonia will only pay a pension for citizens of Estonia, meaning you have dual citizenship and pay taxes in both countries.

Actually, I travel at different points in the year. There is, of course, the summer holiday but there is also Fall break (1 week), Christmas/New Year break (2.5 weeks on average), Ski Week and Spring break (1 week each). Finland is convenient (1.5 - 2.5 hours depending on the ship one takes) but so is Sweden (overnight party ship). I do one or the other or even both every year. I was in Moscow for the 2nd half of Winter break, Finland for a party trip after that and London for Spring break so far this year. I'm going back to Finland this summer for a Mid-Summer's Eve-type event, Greece for some sun, beach and booze, and maybe Moscow again (not sure on that one yet). You should get out of Russia and travel some yourself. It's good for one's health and outlook on life.

Regarding pensions, I'll be collecting from both the US and Estonia in the future. I don't pay tax in to the US now because my income is below the expat threshhold ($95,100 per year) so the US pension won't be stellar, but I earn 3 times the national average here so I am building up a nice future pension payment. The law here allows any legal resident to collect pensions. You don't have to be a citizen.

Carl
02-05-2016, 17:59
Gee nobody wants to talk about the Russian economy getting better? Strange.

Strange indeed.:confused:

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russian-consumer-confidence-falls-to-historic-lows/567532.html

Russian Consumer Confidence Falls to Historic Lows
The Moscow TimesApr. 29 2016 19:15 Last edited 19:15

Sergei Nikolayev / Vedomosti
Consumer confidence in Russia fell to 63 points in the first quarter of this year on Nielsen's Consumer Confidence Index, the lowest level since records began in 2005, the Kommersant newspaper reported Friday.

In the same period last year, the index stood at 72 points, the newspaper reported.

According to Nielsen, a record low number of people now have any extra money after covering basic needs and bills.

At the same time, the share of Russians forced to slash their spending rose to 76 percent in the first quarter of the year.

Fifty-nine percent of Russian citizens now have to abstain from entertainment expenses and 61 percent put off the purchase of new clothes. Fifty-two percent of Russians switched to cheaper food products, according to data from Nielsen.

As Russia continues to experience economic recession, the real wages of Russians shrank 9.5 percent in 2015. This year, the trend continued with 3.9 percent in real wages year-on -year in the first quarter of 2016, according to the Rosstat state statistics service.

“The continuing decline in real incomes means that Russians' consumer activity will remain low in the near future,” Dilyara Ibragimova, an associate professor at the Higher School of Economics' sociology department, told the newspaper.

Deputy Prime Minister Olga Golodets said Friday that Russia has been hit by a consumer crisis. Fifty-one percent of purchased items in February were food products while the consumption of certain types of light industry has fallen by 20 percent, according to Golodets.

FatAndy
02-05-2016, 19:12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvGbtiRJOg4

Russian Lad
02-05-2016, 23:08
Well, Andy, how can one who is dead in many senses already, actually die? Zombies and/or vampires, for instance, don't die. However, both social groups, be it zombies or vampires, cause a lot of annoying inconveniences and even commit despicable brutalities until they are shredded to pieces and/or otherwise processed.:smug:
ЗЫ. Why is Fantastika in the Sin Bin? What has our peddling boy done that deserves such an atrocious treatment?:)

Uncle Wally
05-05-2016, 20:15
Strange indeed.:confused:

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russian-consumer-confidence-falls-to-historic-lows/567532.html

Russian Consumer Confidence Falls to Historic Lows
The Moscow TimesApr. 29 2016 19:15 Last edited 19:15

Sergei Nikolayev / Vedomosti
Consumer confidence in Russia fell to 63 points in the first quarter of this year on Nielsen's Consumer Confidence Index, the lowest level since records began in 2005, the Kommersant newspaper reported Friday.

In the same period last year, the index stood at 72 points, the newspaper reported.

According to Nielsen, a record low number of people now have any extra money after covering basic needs and bills.

At the same time, the share of Russians forced to slash their spending rose to 76 percent in the first quarter of the year.

Fifty-nine percent of Russian citizens now have to abstain from entertainment expenses and 61 percent put off the purchase of new clothes. Fifty-two percent of Russians switched to cheaper food products, according to data from Nielsen.

As Russia continues to experience economic recession, the real wages of Russians shrank 9.5 percent in 2015. This year, the trend continued with 3.9 percent in real wages year-on -year in the first quarter of 2016, according to the Rosstat state statistics service.

“The continuing decline in real incomes means that Russians' consumer activity will remain low in the near future,” Dilyara Ibragimova, an associate professor at the Higher School of Economics' sociology department, told the newspaper.

Deputy Prime Minister Olga Golodets said Friday that Russia has been hit by a consumer crisis. Fifty-one percent of purchased items in February were food products while the consumption of certain types of light industry has fallen by 20 percent, according to Golodets.



Gee Carl sounds a lot like America. Have you read the unemployment figures in the US? How about the 47,000 homeless people in LA? Or maybe about the 25% of white people in the US 18 to 65 who are unemployed and not even looking for work? It's a world problem Carl not just Russian. It is caused by the way of life you like so much. The throw away sociopath philosophy.

Oh and Carl I am no longer "squatting" as you like to call it. I helped my friend prep his remont and moved in with one of my friends who has a very small salary and also wants to do a remont. So I will be paying for the remont and doing it. It's called friends helping friends and caring about people. You should try it sometime.

Carl
05-05-2016, 20:40
Gee Carl sounds a lot like America. Have you read the unemployment figures in the US? How about the 47,000 homeless people in LA? Or maybe about the 25% of white people in the US 18 to 65 who are unemployed and not even looking for work? It's a world problem Carl not just Russian. It is caused by the way of life you like so much. The throw away sociopath philosophy.
.

"Originally Posted by Uncle Wally
Gee nobody wants to talk about the Russian economy getting better? Strange"

Oh..I'm sorry. I thought you wanted to talk about the Russian economy.:winking:

FatAndy
05-05-2016, 20:40
Why is Fantastika in the Sin Bin?
Was. Because. ;)

Carl
05-05-2016, 20:46
Oh and Carl I am no longer "squatting" as you like to call it. I helped my friend prep his remont and moved in with one of my friends who has a very small salary and also wants to do a remont. So I will be paying for the remont and doing it. It's called friends helping friends and caring about people. You should try it sometime.

Your posts are like windows to your psyche Willy.. Thanks for the information..Not that I really needed it. I guess you just thought I should know. Thanks for that tho.:yawn:

Uncle Wally
05-05-2016, 21:52
"Originally Posted by Uncle Wally
Gee nobody wants to talk about the Russian economy getting better? Strange"

Oh..I'm sorry. I thought you wanted to talk about the Russian economy.:winking:


Well you see Carl we all live on the same planet and are too you mysteriously connected. Why else would some assholes try to control everything? We all want the big never ending tit to suck off of. The easy life. If you are fool enough to believe that the richest people don't have a plan to keep them and there descends rich, powerful and in control you are an idiotic fool. We as a small part of this planet and even a smaller part of the universe are only great enough to kill ourselves and much faster than the dinosaurs did (if it was even their fault) because we as a race feel some need to be all powerful in a place were we are the least powerful and a place faced with certain destruction, because someday the sun will explode and take everything you ever work for with it. So why not do everything for good? Sorry but being selfish never worked out for me. Consume Carl until your consuming consumes you.

One thing Russians understand is that you don't drink the vodka, the vodka drinks you.

Carl
05-05-2016, 22:00
Well you see Carl we all live on the same planet and are too you mysteriously connected. Why else would some assholes try to control everything? We all want the big never ending tit to suck off of. The easy life. If you are fool enough to believe that the richest people don't have a plan to keep them and there descends rich, powerful and in control you are an idiotic fool. We as a small part of this planet and even a smaller part of the universe are only great enough to kill ourselves and much faster than the dinosaurs did (if it was even their fault) because we as a race feel some need to be all powerful in a place were we are the least powerful and a place faced with certain destruction, because someday the sun will explode and take everything you ever work for with it. So why not do everything for good? Sorry but being selfish never worked out for me.

FFS Willy.. More psycho-babble?

Uncle Wally
05-05-2016, 22:14
FFS Willy.. More psycho-babble?

What else is there but psycho Carl? What makes you think, your penis? Then you are more like me than I thought you was. The dollar is nothing but "psycho babble" Carl. It is not back by anything but your misconception of value.

fenrir
05-05-2016, 22:39
The dollar is nothing but "psycho babble" Carl. It is not back by anything but your misconception of value.

What is the ruble backed by?

Uncle Wally
05-05-2016, 23:29
What is the ruble backed by?

You would not understand but I will try anyways.

Natural resource for one and fiscal responsibly, two things you have little concept of. While the US has been so irresponsible running up debt, waging war and bulling the rest of the world Russia has been just trying to get a fair share for her people while saving for it's future and the future of her children. Russia is still even after the economic war waged by American fascist to destroy her sovereignty is still in the black. How much debt does the US have? When and how will this debt be paid back and by whom? The system set up in 1913 by a few rich bankers was doomed to fail but only to fail you not them.

Russian Lad
06-05-2016, 06:36
Wally, we are all gonna die and push the daisies and will not be able to consume vodka and use our iphones anymore after we kick the bucket, we got that, thank you for explaining this to us, Captain, can we now get back to the Russian economy please? :loser::tongue:

fenrir
06-05-2016, 08:58
You would not understand but I will try anyways.

Natural resource for one and fiscal responsibly, two things you have little concept of. While the US has been so irresponsible running up debt, waging war and bulling the rest of the world Russia has been just trying to get a fair share for her people while saving for it's future and the future of her children. Russia is still even after the economic war waged by American fascist to destroy her sovereignty is still in the black. How much debt does the US have? When and how will this debt be paid back and by whom? The system set up in 1913 by a few rich bankers was doomed to fail but only to fail you not them.

Backed by fiscal responsibility? Is that why it has fallen through the floor in value?

Backed by natural resources? Which ones? At what rate? I have rubles and want to trade them in for natural resources.

fenrir
07-05-2016, 09:05
can we now get back to the Russian economy please? :loser::tongue:

Here's one for Wally to think about.

Russia's car workers who struggle on no pay

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36213482

Uncle Wally
07-05-2016, 12:06
Here's one for Wally to think about.

Russia's car workers who struggle on no pay

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36213482


Sorry I'm still "struggling" with the Detroit teachers who haven't gotten paid. Well that and the Puerto Rican default. Unlike the Russian car factory, both of those are governments running out of money. Wealthiest nation my a*s!

fenrir
07-05-2016, 12:52
Sorry I'm still "struggling" with the Detroit teachers who haven't gotten paid. Well that and the Puerto Rican default. Unlike the Russian car factory, both of those are governments running out of money. Wealthiest nation my a*s!

What do Detroit or Puerto Rico have to do with the economic situation in Russia? Keep your ADHD in check and comment on why Russian workers aren't getting paid even though the country has no national debt and, according to you, the economy is doing great. What's going on, Wally?

Uncle Wally
07-05-2016, 14:44
What do Detroit or Puerto Rico have to do with the economic situation in Russia? Keep your ADHD in check and comment on why Russian workers aren't getting paid even though the country has no national debt and, according to you, the economy is doing great. What's going on, Wally?


One thing at a time. I just find it more shocking the "indispensable and exceptional nation" has states, cities and territories that can't even pay for basic needs like clean water, school teachers and bridges. They can sure bomb the hell out third world countries and train terrorist though.

fenrir
07-05-2016, 15:12
One thing at a time. I just find it more shocking the "indispensable and exceptional nation" has states, cities and territories that can't even pay for basic needs like clean water, school teachers and bridges. They can sure bomb the hell out third world countries and train terrorist though.

You're right. The sooner Russia stops training terrorists in eastern Ukraine and bombing hospitals and open-air markets in Syria and instead puts its efforts into fixing the problems you have just listed, the better!

FatAndy
07-05-2016, 17:48
The sooner Russia stops training terrorists in eastern Ukraine
Be very careful with definitions, comrade. Whom they terrorized? Ukronazist volunteer batallions or brave Ukroworriors, seeking any possibility to give up?

BTW, don't read much Estonian press, dissolve with news from 404. Their court just have denied to define DNR/LNR as terrorist ones. I understand that it's deviation from the party line of Washingtonsky obkom, you have to punish them ;)

And yes, we'll continue to support HFFUS.
While Ukronazists, trained by the Citadel of Democracy, will continue to loose and give up to coal miners, tractorists and plumbers. Selling your equipment to DNR/LNR in the breaks between battles. ;)


and bombing hospitals and open-air markets in Syria and instead puts its efforts into fixing the problems you have just listed, the better!
With the tons of evidences from so called social networks, quoted by so called "reputable independent Western media"®? :D
Russia desperately needs valuable advices, pls continue!

Uncle Wally
08-05-2016, 07:34
You're right. The sooner Russia stops training terrorists in eastern Ukraine and bombing hospitals and open-air markets in Syria and instead puts its efforts into fixing the problems you have just listed, the better!


Again you try to blame Russia for bombing fictitious hospitals that the US state department couldn't even say where in Syria they are or are you talking about the recent hospital that was bombard by the US funded terrorist? This all reminds me of Obama's red line and how we find out that it was US funded terrorist that used chemical weapons not Syria. Don't be such a moron. Most of the trouble Russia is having with her economy is do to US sanctions and a slow down in the US economy which is effecting the whole world and Russia is turning that around. The recent meetings between Japan and Russia prove that America is losing their propaganda war because of Russia's actions. Fighting American lies with honesty, truth and integrity.

fenrir
08-05-2016, 16:30
Again you try to blame Russia for bombing fictitious hospitals that the US state department couldn't even say where in Syria they are or are you talking about the recent hospital that was bombard by the US funded terrorist? This all reminds me of Obama's red line and how we find out that it was US funded terrorist that used chemical weapons not Syria. Don't be such a moron. Most of the trouble Russia is having with her economy is do to US sanctions and a slow down in the US economy which is effecting the whole world and Russia is turning that around. The recent meetings between Japan and Russia prove that America is losing their propaganda war because of Russia's actions. Fighting American lies with honesty, truth and integrity.

Wally, keep on your meds. Your answer is all over the place bringing up all sorts of unrelated points. Just concentrate on one issue at a time to make it easy on yourself: Why aren't the Russian workers being paid, especially since you say the economy is doing so well and the country has no debt?

Judge
25-05-2016, 14:23
A small but significant way of Russia diversifying the economy,

Europe gets its first modern Russian-made airliners
https://www.rt.com/business/344297-sukhoi-plane-cityjet-purchase/

Uncle Wally
25-05-2016, 15:31
Russia issued a Eurobond the other day expecting to get about 3 billion Euros. They were in such demand that they sold 6 billion! Sounds like investors have confidence in Russia.

Armoured
25-05-2016, 16:03
Russia issued a Eurobond the other day expecting to get about 3 billion Euros. They were in such demand that they sold 6 billion! Sounds like investors have confidence in Russia.

No, they only sold $1.75 bln. The higher figures were the 'bid book' - with the simple explanation that buyers place an order with the price they want to pay, and the seller 'cuts off' those that aren't offering the right price at the amounts the seller wants to sell. In other words, they _might_ have been able to sell the full amount, but would have had to pay more (in borrowing costs).

http://tass.ru/en/economy/877901

Armoured
25-05-2016, 16:09
Russia issued a Eurobond the other day expecting to get about 3 billion Euros. They were in such demand that they sold 6 billion! Sounds like investors have confidence in Russia.

No, only sold $1.75 bln. Would have had to pay higher borrowing costs if had tapped the full (larger) bid book.

Uncle Wally
25-05-2016, 16:45
No they sold 6 billion.

Armoured
25-05-2016, 17:00
No they sold 6 billion.

I presume this is a surprise to you, but once again, you're wrong:

http://tass.ru/en/economy/877901

Judge
25-05-2016, 17:51
About the bonds, is it Russia testing the waters?
reading the link above,
" foreign investors bought over 70% of Russian Eurobonds"
Looks like the test went ok...
Another test will be the upcoming "St. Petersburg International Economic Forum" , who will turn up this time..

Carl
25-05-2016, 22:28
I presume this is a surprise to you, but once again, you're wrong:

http://tass.ru/en/economy/877901

Willy don't mind.. He makes it up as he goes anyways.

Armoured
25-05-2016, 22:49
About the bonds, is it Russia testing the waters?
reading the link above,
" foreign investors bought over 70% of Russian Eurobonds"
Looks like the test went ok...

Of course it was testing the waters. I would say it went pretty poorly - the amounts and the price paid (borrowing costs) were both worse than expectations of many. $1.75 billion for Russia is not that much.

As for foreign investors, there's a lot of jawboning to try to convince everyone that these were 'real' foreign investors, and not just e.g. foreign branches of Russian banks/companies. And the jawboning started right away - which to anyone paying attention is a good indication that there's more to the story and probably the real number is much lower. There are _lots_ of ways to hide who the final or real purchaser was (make a deal to swap them the next day, or loan them to each other, etc., etc).

I'm not saying it's a disaster, just that it's hardly an indication that things are much better or have improved much. Russia will certainly be able to meet its borrowing program, including US$, it'll just have to pay a bit more, or borrow more in rubles, or otherwise tigthen the belt a bit. But the 'test' didn't show a huge hidden demand for Russian government bonds at tight prices - and lots of challenges if the situation should change and more is needed.

Oh - by the way, in terms of sheer economics, makes much much more sense that Russian institutions especially banks would be buying them. Noticed lately that deposit rates on US$ have gone really low at Russian banks? The banks have too many dollars - Russians who decided to ignore the advice of the True Patriots and keep their money in greenbacks instead of rubles - and they need somewhere to put it; and on the other side, few Russian companies that want to borrow in US$ (because they also don't trust the ruble and figure it might fall again). Russian Eurobonds for Russian banks with excess foreign currency are a no-brainer. Why anyone would try to hide that is a separate story - they're trying to convince the rubes of something. And you're buying it.

Judge
25-05-2016, 23:15
Not to worry, I won't be buying any of it:dont-tell-anyone:, all my rubles will be going into the mother russian soil, i.e. property. .

Sure, it could have been Russians offshore buying the bonds, there would have been some interest from Asia and the poor Europeans would have been itching to buy. ..




I'm not saying it's a disaster, just that it's hardly an indication that things are much better or have improved much. Russia will certainly be able to meet its borrowing program, including US$, it'll just have to pay a bit more, or borrow more in rubles, or otherwise tigthen the belt a bit. But the 'test' didn't show a huge hidden demand for Russian government bonds at tight prices - and lots of challenges if the situation should change and more is needed.

The economy has improved these past few months some are even predicting growth soon, also with with oil hitting $50 and the ruble gaining, confidence is growing , trust in the ruble will return, you just need to be a little more optimistic.


Another boost for the Russian economy, Russia keeping up its oil production, maybe one day they will beat records set during the Soviet days, many so called experts said Russia's oil output will dwindle.

The last part of the article is also interesting, "new blend "


http://uk.reuters.com/article/russia-oil-gazprom-neft-novoport-idUKL5N18M2MF

TBH ,I'm not a big fan of drilling in this part of the world, one big oil spill there will be catastrophic.

Armoured
26-05-2016, 09:31
Not to worry, I won't be buying any of it

You seem to be buying the official line.


Sure, it could have been Russians offshore buying the bonds, there would have been some interest from Asia and the poor Europeans would have been itching to buy. ..

Sure, it could have been Dilma Roussef hoping Russia would buy her out of impeachment, too. But the bottom line is that there's not much evidence of significant foreign interest, and quite a lot of evidence it was to a large degree Russian buying.


The economy has improved these past few months some are even predicting growth soon, also with with oil hitting $50 and the ruble gaining, confidence is growing , trust in the ruble will return, you just need to be a little more optimistic.

For the most part those same types have been predicting growth "Real Soon Now" for quite some time. As before, not much evidence of that.

That said, I'm somewhat optimistic: economies usually eventually grow and the policies (economic) here are quite a bit better than many third world countries. So you just have to find the right basis for comparison.

Russian Lad
26-05-2016, 12:47
and the policies (economic) here are quite a bit better than many third world countries

You mean "as in many other similar third world countries", right? I mean, I cannot call Russia a developed or a developing country, given the fact that like at least one third of its population are living either below the poverty line (aka the survival threshold - 20 million Russians) or in despicable poverty. In what respect? I think one has to be insane to operate any meaningful business here, at least an offline one.
P.S. Medvedev has been to the Crimea recently, he has been asked about the pensions and received a complaint from the crowd that they cannot survive on 8K rubles per month (about 100 euros), and he responded: "We don't have any money to increase pensions, but hold on here, I wish you good health!" I mean, such conversations and situations are possible only in the countries like Nigeria or Somalia. Proof (however, а что там у хохлов?):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSq7oxM_fyo

Uncle Wally
26-05-2016, 13:26
You mean "as in many other similar third world countries", right? I mean, I cannot call Russia a developed or a developing country, given the fact that like at least one third of its population are living either below the poverty line (aka the survival threshold - 20 million Russians) or in despicable poverty. In what respect? I think one has to be insane to operate any meaningful business here, at least an offline one.
P.S. Medvedev has been to the Crimea recently, he has been asked about the pensions and received a complaint from the crowd that they cannot survive on 8K rubles per month (about 100 euros), and he responded: "We don't have any money to increase pensions, but hold on here, I wish you good health!" I mean, such conversations and situations are possible only in the countries like Nigeria or Somalia. Proof (however, а что там у хохлов?):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSq7oxM_fyo



How are the people in Ukraine doing?

fenrir
26-05-2016, 13:54
How are the people in Ukraine doing?

Why does that matter? Ukraine isn't pretending to be a world power like a country we know, is it?

bydand
26-05-2016, 16:05
I think one has to be insane to operate any meaningful business here, at least an offline one.


:question:

Uncle Wally
26-05-2016, 16:32
Why does that matter? Ukraine isn't pretending to be a world power like a country we know, is it?


Sorry but Russia is not pretending.

Armoured
26-05-2016, 17:32
Sorry but Russia is not pretending.

Say it three times loudly and tap your heels together, Dorothy - and all your dreams will come true!

FatAndy
26-05-2016, 17:33
:emote_popcorn:

Uncle Wally
26-05-2016, 18:38
Say it three times loudly and tap your heels together, Dorothy - and all your dreams will come true!


It's no dream. You are just incapable of seeing what's real.

Russian Lad
26-05-2016, 18:45
How are the people in Ukraine doing?

Yes, Wally, I mentioned that in the post you quoted. А что там у хохлов? (С) That's what really matters and that's the only question a true Russian patriot should be obsessed with on a daily (and preferably hourly) basis.


:tongue: Medvedev's wish to the social group pensioners is gaining support among the Russian banks. Let's wish all those millions of broke Russians good health.

30067

Uncle Wally
26-05-2016, 19:12
Yes, Wally, I mentioned that in the post you quoted. А что там у хохлов? (С) That's what really matters and that's the only question a true Russian patriot should be obsessed with on a daily (and preferably hourly) basis.


:tongue: Medvedev's wish to the social group pensioners is gaining support among the Russian banks. Let's wish all those millions of broke Russians good health.

30067



Yes it is really very sad that the most venerable people have to suffer from the dirty economic war the US has pushed on Russia just because Putin wanted to stand up for the rights of Russian citizens. With NATO massing troops and heavy armor on Russia's boarder it won't be long now.

Russian Lad
26-05-2016, 19:16
Yes it is really very sad that to most venerable people have to suffer from the dirty economic war the US has pushed on Russia just because Putin wanted to stand up for the rights of Russian citizens. With NATO massing troops and heavy armor on Russia's boarder it won't be long now.

Yes, Wally, Obama is also pissing in Russian podiezds, you forgot to mention that. It is very convenient to blame someone else for your failures, isn't it? However, I doubt anyone outside Russia really cares about all this miserable whining.

FatAndy
26-05-2016, 19:22
30067

Oh, they've learned how to launch pbrush.exe under Windows!

Great, waiting skills improvement to the level of pirated Photoshop ;)

Uncle Wally
26-05-2016, 19:25
Yes, Wally, Obama is also pissing in Russian podiezds, you forgot to mention that. It is very convenient to blame someone else for your failures, isn't it? However, I doubt anyone outside Russia really cares about all this miserable whining.


What, you think that only happens in Russia? Don't be a fool. The whole world is falling apart because of how America wanted to build it. If we let this go on we'll all be living in a trash heap, slaves to 1% of the human population. Basically what we are faced with is either everyone just surrenders to American fascism or they will start a nuclear war and kill everyone.

Russian Lad
26-05-2016, 19:51
Basically what we are faced with is either everyone just surrenders to American fascism or they will start a nuclear war and kill everyone.

I would be buying this story if the current Russian pseudoelite were showing a modicum of moderation in their consumption and/or care of the population. On the backdrop of their behavior your words sound like blabbing of a child who has learnt how to say words but still is not 100% sure what they mean or how to use them properly.
What makes you think any person with brains here in Russia is going to support them? Or shed tears when the Day X comes? Life is a b'ch. They may enjoy the feast now, while they still can. It will be too late tomorrow when their time is up.

Uncle Wally
26-05-2016, 20:46
I would be buying this story if the current Russian pseudoelite were showing a modicum of moderation in their consumption and/or care of the population. On the backdrop of their behavior your words sound like blabbing of a child who has learnt how to say words but still is not 100% sure what they mean or how to use them properly.
What makes you think any person with brains here in Russia is going to support them? Or shed tears when the Day X comes? Life is a b'ch. They may enjoy the feast now, while they still can. It will be too late tomorrow when their time is up.


Many of my friends now like a support Putin where before they weren't so happy with him.


What you seem not to understand is that Russia is the only one standing in the way of a total American fascist police state over the whole world. If they are allowed to succeed with this New World Order all and any "checks and balances" will be non existent. Western Governments don't follow the law now what makes you think they're going to be so nice to you after they have total control? As it stands now the US will and has overthrown democratically elected governments, killed and tortured people, and support terrorist all for big banks and companies to enrich themselves. You think they are going to care about you?

Carl
26-05-2016, 22:20
It's no dream. You are just incapable of seeing what's real.

You mean like that 6 billion euro bond issue?-))

Carl
26-05-2016, 22:27
With NATO massing troops and heavy armor on Russia's boarder it won't be long now.

When, when?? Will it be before or after the dollar & euro collapse?
What's the problem..? Didn't you say there were 200,000 Russian troops in Syria? Bring them back and station them on the border with NATO. Problem solved.

Uncle Wally
26-05-2016, 23:29
When, when?? Will it be before or after the dollar & euro collapse?
What's the problem..? Didn't you say there were 200,000 Russian troops in Syria? Bring them back and station them on the border with NATO. Problem solved.


Carl I don't know what you read but more and more people talking about how the US can not keep going on like they do. 20 trillion dollars of debt? When does it stop? Keep laughing Carl cause America is in a world of sh*t.

You know the last time Russia had so many foreign troops on her boarder was in 1941 and we all know how well that turned out.

Judge
27-05-2016, 07:46
You seem to be buying the official line.


Of course, but I've been here long enough to take what comes out of the Kremlin with a shovel of salt. .

Armoured
27-05-2016, 08:39
Of course, but I've been here long enough to take what comes out of the Kremlin with a shovel of salt. .

Does manure taste better with salt?

Armoured
27-05-2016, 08:41
Yes it is really very sad that the most venerable people have to suffer from the dirty economic war the US has pushed on Russia

Wait - I thought the sanctions and all that were only making Russia stronger? Which is it?

The messaging from Central Casting seems to be a bit muddled.

fenrir
27-05-2016, 08:58
You know the last time Russia had so many foreign troops on her boarder was in 1941 and we all know how well that turned out.

In 1941, there were 3 million troops on the USSR's border. How many are there now?

Uncle Wally
27-05-2016, 09:19
Does manure taste better with salt?


You should know you eat it enough and seem to enjoy it a lot. It's given you a terrible case of bad breath though.

Judge
27-05-2016, 09:19
Does manure taste better with salt?

Best leave the manure for the dacha garden, helps stuff grow faster, it's all about recycling, waste nothing. .:smile:

Uncle Wally
27-05-2016, 09:27
Wait - I thought the sanctions and all that were only making Russia stronger? Which is it?

The messaging from Central Casting seems to be a bit muddled.


No pain no gain. Russia will survive.


"Central Casting"? I bet you're fool enough to believe everything the western media dishes out when it was proven a long time ago the CIA is in control. What you never heard of Operation Mocking bird?

fenrir
27-05-2016, 11:34
No pain no gain. Russia will survive.


"Central Casting"? I bet you're fool enough to believe everything the western media dishes out when it was proven a long time ago the CIA is in control. What you never heard of Operation Mocking bird?

YOU are the gullible one, Wally. You still believe that nonsense story that a child was crucified in Eastern Ukraine.

FatAndy
27-05-2016, 11:39
In 1941, there were 3 million troops on the USSR's border. How many are there now?
No one, as there is no USSR border anymore.

fenrir
27-05-2016, 11:40
No pain no gain. Russia will survive.


"Central Casting"? I bet you're fool enough to believe everything the western media dishes out when it was proven a long time ago the CIA is in control. What you never heard of Operation Mocking bird?

You keep whining about an operation that 1) focused on influence, NOT control, and 2) ended in the 1970s. Russia's taking direct control of its media and establishing a legion of trolls (you included) to spread propaganda internationally is far worse.

fenrir
27-05-2016, 11:41
No one, as there is no USSR border anymore.

Trick question :winking:

FatAndy
27-05-2016, 11:44
On any question you can get any answer © by military dept #4, MSU, 1985.

Russian Lad
27-05-2016, 12:31
YOU are the gullible one, Wally.

He is most likely on a payroll. I seriously doubt an uneducated American like him would be churning out all this half-readable nonsense on a daily basis here otherwise, in large heaps. :smug: Over 7 thousand posts in less than two years - that's like 10 posts per day on average, including weekends and holidays. It looks like a job, it smells like a job, most likely it is a job... However, whoever hired you Wally, they are only harming their cause because of how lame the essence of your posts usually is. You don't deserve even a Doshirak per day for such a sloppy output.
How much per post, Wally? Spill the beans. Do the Towers feed you well? How often do you receive instructions and guidance from the Olgino headquarters? Or you are micromanaged on a local level by the admins here?:) I am still trying to figure it out, kindly help me.

Uncle Wally
27-05-2016, 13:26
He is most likely on a payroll. I seriously doubt an uneducated American like him would be churning out all this half-readable nonsense on a daily basis here otherwise, in large heaps. :smug: Over 7 thousand posts in less than two years - that's like 10 posts per day on average, including weekends and holidays. It looks like a job, it smells like a job, most likely it is a job... However, whoever hired you Wally, they are only harming their cause because of how lame the essence of your posts usually is. You don't deserve even a Doshirak per day for such a sloppy output.
How much per post, Wally? Spill the beans. Do the Towers feed you well? How often do you receive instructions and guidance from the Olgino headquarters? Or you are micromanaged on a local level by the admins here?:) I am still trying to figure it out, kindly help me.


I couldn't get pass the first few sentences of your dribble. You the so educated one are still not smart enough to understand how bad fascism is. Didn't you learn anything from what Hitler tried to do? We are looking at something far worse than the old nazi, this new breed have much more power and can be many times more destructive. You understand nothing of what is going on in America or the rest of the world.

Uncle Wally
27-05-2016, 13:30
You keep whining about an operation that 1) focused on influence, NOT control, and 2) ended in the 1970s. Russia's taking direct control of its media and establishing a legion of trolls (you included) to spread propaganda internationally is far worse.


Nothing ended in the 1970s.

TolkoRaz
27-05-2016, 14:15
You keep whining about an operation that 1) focused on influence, NOT control,

PsyOps aims to first 'Influence', and then 'Control'.

Russian Lad
27-05-2016, 14:15
You the so educated one are still not smart enough to understand how bad fascism is. Didn't you learn anything from what Hitler tried to do? We are looking at something far worse than the old nazi, this new breed have much more power and can be many times more destructive. You understand nothing of what is going on in America or the rest of the world.

America bad and nazi, we got that. Can you answer my questions? For how much poor Wally has sold his soul and who is the buyer? :)

Uncle Wally
27-05-2016, 18:07
PsyOps aims to first 'Influence', and then 'Control'.


Yeah but he has a hard time putting two and two together.

Uncle Wally
27-05-2016, 18:22
America bad and nazi, we got that. Can you answer my questions? For how much poor Wally has sold his soul and who is the buyer? :)



Look when you have proof get back to me but until then kindly shut the f*ck up. Take a good look at what you post mr I take money from fascist to help them destroy my own country.

Russian Lad
27-05-2016, 20:48
Look when you have proof get back to me

The proof, however apagogically oblique and presumptively circumstantial, is the amount of your posts, as well as the time you spend online - you basically live here on this forum. You start threads more often than anyone else too.
It is funny that you ask for a proof though - that's another circumstantial proof in itself - only those caught red-handed usually resort to that. If you weren't involved, you would just say I am wrong and would tell me why.:) I still think the comrades who hired you made a terrible mistake due to your utter inaptitude to produce anything plausible and/or coherent. But who knows, you may be receiving paychecks from the other side of the ocean too and do it deliberately... Where do you hide the microfilm and the map, Wally?

Uncle Wally
27-05-2016, 21:47
The proof, however apagogically oblique and presumptively circumstantial, is the amount of your posts, as well as the time you spend online - you basically live here on this forum. You start threads more often than anyone else too.
It is funny that you ask for a proof though - that's another circumstantial proof in itself - only those caught red-handed usually resort to that. If you weren't involved, you would just say I am wrong and would tell me why.:) I still think the comrades who hired you made a terrible mistake due to your utter inaptitude to produce anything plausible and/or coherent. But who knows, you may be receiving paychecks from the other side of the ocean too and do it deliberately... Where do you hide the microfilm and the map, Wally?


No real proof huh? That's what I thought.

If there is anybody that's inept it's you and fennier. Your inability to comprehend even the basics of political science shows you are easily manipulated by uncouthly politicians and are lacking in historical accuracy. You also have a major deficiency in gumption sir!

Russian Lad
28-05-2016, 00:35
Your inability to comprehend even the basics of political science

Wally the political scientist.

FatAndy
31-05-2016, 22:50
http://www.rbc.ru/economics/31/05/2016/574dbad69a79475a60822368?from=main - they've started to suspect something or just stopped fooling about?

Russian Lad
01-06-2016, 00:58
http://www.rbc.ru/economics/31/05/2016/574dbad69a79475a60822368?from=main - they've started to suspect something or just stopped fooling about?

Yes, everyone has stopped fooling around, it has all just been a bad dream, you have been asleep all the time. Oil is 100 and dollar is 30 rubles and president Putin is meeting his G8 colleagues in Sochi who heartily thank him and deeply admire his sterling quality leadership and perspicacity, the EU is demanding as many gas pipelines from Russia as it is humanly possible and is ready to pay whatever price mister Putin orders for these 21st century projects, Ukraine has kindly moved behind the Dnepr river warmly letting Russia develop a nice russki mir in places like Odessa and so forth, - everything else has been a bad dream, welcome back to the wet kvas reality. :yawn::smug:

Judge
07-06-2016, 09:26
Yes, ambitious goals, good luck to them ,


Russia Won't Need Meat, Dairy and Vegetable Imports By 2020

Russia hopes to be completely self-reliant on domestically produced milk, meat and vegetables by 2020, Agriculture Minister Alexander Tkachev said Friday, the Vedomosti newspaper reported.

The majority of the country’s fruit will also be grown in Russia, with the exception of citrus and other exotic fruit, Tkachev announced at the ongoing G20 agricultural meeting in China.

"We have set ourselves ambitious goals,” Tkachev said. "Our agricultural production was up by 17 percent last year compared with 2014, exceeding $76 billion for the first time. We have the kind of high-tech production that rivals modern agricultural holdings and farms that can compete with Western companies."

Russian Lad
08-06-2016, 03:55
The song below: Medvedev: We have worked hard for many years, you hold on here, all is great, we are selling a lot of oil, gas, timber, the country is receiving a lot of cash - but there is no money left for you, you hold on here, have good health, we are going on vacation on our private jets to the Maldives, to France, etc., we would have taken you with us, but there is no money, you hold on here and have good health!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as61abngRHI

Judge
08-06-2016, 06:25
Wally was right, you're copying him just posting YouTube videos, here's one for you.


'Cause it's a bittersweet symphony, this life
Try to make ends meet
You're a slave to money then you die
I'll take you down the only road I've ever been down
You know the one that takes you to the places
Where all the veins meet yeah,
No change, I can't change
I can't change, I can't change
But I'm here in my mold
I am here in my mold
But I'm a million different people
From one day to the next
I can't change my mold
No, no, no, no, no



https://youtu.be/1lyu1KKwC74

Judge
08-06-2016, 06:34
It looks like the whole project Skolkovo is doing OK,there was a time when many thought it was a useless idea and wouldn't last.


In the six years since it was founded, Skolkovo has developed from an unknown village outside of Moscow into a major international technology center. With its own foundation for raising investment Skolkovo has 1,500 resident companies, whose combined sales in 2015 exceeded $1 billion, as well as several large-scale projects, including the Skolkovo Institute of Science and Technology (Skoltech) that was established with support from MIT.

“When I first came to Skolkovo four years ago, there were just 100 startups here," recalls Viljakainen Pekka, adviser to Skolkovo Foundation's president. "Today, there are 15 times that number, and with Startup Village this figure is growing.”

http://rbth.com/science_and_tech/2016/06/07/more-than-1-million-invested-in-russian-tech-startups-in-just-two-days_600989

Russian Lad
08-06-2016, 15:02
Judge, I don't post some random videos usually, I post videos related to a thread. In this case, the song I posted is related to the Russian economy thread, not sure how yours does.:)
As to Skolkovo, when will I get to use a single product from their "startups"? It all seems to be hot air about nothing. I have my own startup and I already can use it to date Russian women, for instance. Don't need Skolkovo for that, but I would be gladly using their startup dating platform. They are utterly incapable it seems, at least I don't see their products I can use in my daily life. What Skolkovo products are you using, can you name one? Or it is just hot talk about nothing?:smug:
Most of their startups are mockups to embezzle cash it seems, at least the ones I have seen on federal tv channels. I don't see their startups used on a large scale by consumers in their daily lives - isn't it what startups are about? Please prove me wrong, let me see how Skolkovo startups have changed our lives for the better, I want to feel pride for Russia's advanced hi-tech development.:)))

americaninmoscow
08-06-2016, 16:01
let me see how Skolkovo startups have changed our lives for the better...

if you know how the game is played, and even where, why arent you playing?

Russian Lad
08-06-2016, 16:05
why arent you playing?

I am always playing, who told you I am not?