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SilverBullet
06-02-2008, 22:59
What are customary in Russia for engagements these days? Are diamond engagement rings normal or is it an Amercian custom? In Western Europe it is not customary and is mostly considered an American custom but what about Russia? What do Russian women expect? Are diamond engagement rings becoming the norm and the expectation these days days? Any Russian women out there who can give some advice on the matter?

I would think American men has already brought this custom to Russia and especially to places like Moscow and St Pete? Are prices for diamond rings better in Moscow than overseas? Diamond mining is a big industry in Russia so there might be bargains to be fond locally? Any thoughts?

Valentine's Day is coming up shortly.

Miracle77777
07-02-2008, 00:18
What are customary in Russia for engagements these days? Are diamond engagement rings normal or is it an Amercian custom? In Western Europe it is not customary and is mostly considered an American custom but what about Russia? What do Russian women expect? Are diamond engagement rings becoming the norm and the expectation these days days? Any Russian women out there who can give some advice on the matter?
I would think American men has already brought this custom to Russia and especially to places like Moscow and St Pete? Are prices for diamond rings better in Moscow than overseas? Diamond mining is a big industry in Russia so there might be bargains to be fond locally? Any thoughts?
Valentine's Day is coming up shortly.

Nice question, Silverbullet ^^
Well - the most important thing that women here expect from engagement - it is your love, support and understanding........
And diamond ring is the best prove of that three things from u ^-*
:lovepot:

So.....do you have serious plans to present this diamond thing for someone this Val's Day?? ;)

Natkin
07-02-2008, 01:10
There is no official tradition of engagement in Russia. But I assume your GF is speaking good English and is definitely aware of Western culture. So since you are a foreigner, she might expect an engagement ring from you.

As for better deal - diamonds are much cheaper in Emirates! You can also be lucky in a small Russian town, but Moscow and St. Peter are overpriced with these things.

Oh, and good luck with your proposal!:fireworks:

MickeyTong
07-02-2008, 01:53
Diamond engagement rings are common in Uk......but so are sapphires

Miracle77777
07-02-2008, 02:16
Diamond engagement rings are common in Uk......but so are sapphires

Yeah.....sapphires are gorgeous.....!!
This one costs about 1000 euro....:)

and here is a link of auction in Moscow.....a lot of stuff and rings as well :lovepot:
- AVITO.ru (http://www.avito.ru/Catalogue/Listing.nx@ca145)

Rustralian
07-02-2008, 03:45
In Western Europe it is not customary and is mostly considered an American custom but what about Russia? What do Russian women expect? Are diamond engagement rings becoming the norm and the expectation these days days?

I would think American men has already brought this custom to Russia and especially to places like Moscow and St Pete? Are prices for diamond rings better in Moscow than overseas? Diamond mining is a big industry in Russia so there might be bargains to be fond locally? Any thoughts?

Valentine's Day is coming up shortly.

Well I don't think that Americans are THE people that give diamond engagement rings ... I haven't seen a wedding in Australia that the bride didn't have a diamond engagement ring. In fact I have never met a Western or Asian female that didn't want an engagement ring and usually it was diamond. :agree:

As for Russian females - from my experience (which is limited to only one engagement ring) they of course like them, but it doesn't seem to have the same effect as it does in places where it is the norm. The traditional ring system in Australia is 3 rings - engagement, then wedding, then eternity and they are usually made to fit together as a set or at least compliment each other.

As for buying in Moscow, there are plenty of good jewellery stores in Moscow ... but it is an expensive city for many things. Make sure that you are able to talk to the person as well (if you buy it here) and get the right quality and cut of stone that you want. I have not bought in Emirates - but I am sure they are priced well, if there are Russian ladies saying so :)

There is a very good Diamond factory in Prague - Lapis Diamond, so if you want a shorter trip than Dubai, I would certainly try them. Good prices, good quality and very good service. They have tours that go there so everybody can find them. Their website is: Lapis (http://www.lapis.com.tr)

As for colour, diamonds do not need to be only brilliant - rather than buying a coloured stone you can always go all out to impress and get coloured diamonds to suit the ladies birthstone colour (unless of course she is born around April - birthstone is Diamond). There are pink, blue, green and yellow that can be obtained and even champagne and cognac these days. Of course, the coloureds are rare and cost an arm and a leg for good quality ones :cry:

Even though Russia is a big diamond miner they are not big diamond cutters and polishers - and the diamonds that go into a ring have to be cut and polished first (usually Belgium [Antwerp] or India), so there is not going to be any discount from buying local in Russia. Antwerp is another place for buying diamonds of course - it is the diamond capital of the world as such (though you couldn't tell from going there).

You will also need some gold of course (but not much), so that may dictate where you buy if you want to choose your gold. I had my wife's engagement and wedding rings made in Perth (Australia) as I wanted to use local Western Australian gold and diamonds (we mine both as well) - I have an Italian friend that designs and makes his own jewellery there, so I was able to give her "home grown" gold and diamonds with Italian design (which Russian ladies DO like) :11629:

Don't forget that alterations can be difficult depending on the ring design and sometimes you need to make a new ring if it is too much of an alteration from her finger size - otherwise the diamonds can fall out.

Good luck.

:10518:

Anya
07-02-2008, 08:27
What are customary in Russia for engagements these days? Are diamond engagement rings normal or is it an Amercian custom? In Western Europe it is not customary and is mostly considered an American custom but what about Russia? What do Russian women expect? Are diamond engagement rings becoming the norm and the expectation these days days? Any Russian women out there who can give some advice on the matter?

I would think American men has already brought this custom to Russia and especially to places like Moscow and St Pete? Are prices for diamond rings better in Moscow than overseas? Diamond mining is a big industry in Russia so there might be bargains to be fond locally? Any thoughts?

Valentine's Day is coming up shortly.

I think different women expect dfferent rings- I personally do not think it custon for diamond rings-it doesnt matter if the feeligs are real...it is very common though but is it nessesary to do as everydody else does-and what are the minuses if u give ur loved one a normal ring - she will not love u anymore?.....if it is love it wont change just because of th ring....but I do admit diamond rongs are very nice:sunny:

Transparent Theatre
07-02-2008, 09:11
In Western Europe it is not customary and is mostly considered an American custom

Sure, and giving flowers, cards or gifts on 14th Feb aren't customary either - provided you intend being a friendless sociopathic outcast.

Where do you get this mad information from? Having you been listening to the BBC World Service or something? They tell you on there that everyone in Britain lives in a thatched cottage and plays cricket on Sunday afternoons too :(

Rustralian
07-02-2008, 10:02
Having you been listening to the BBC World Service or something? They tell you on there that everyone in Britain lives in a thatched cottage and plays cricket on Sunday afternoons too :(

Do you mean it isn't true !!!!!

:10641: :uk:

SalTheReturn
07-02-2008, 10:55
Diamond engagement rings are common in Uk......but so are sapphires

whats a sapphire?

SalTheReturn
07-02-2008, 10:57
I think different women expect dfferent rings- I personally do not think it custon for diamond rings-it doesnt matter if the feeligs are real...it is very common though but is it nessesary to do as everydody else does-and what are the minuses if u give ur loved one a normal ring - she will not love u anymore?.....if it is love it wont change just because of th ring....but I do admit diamond rongs are very nice:sunny:

I think if he can afford it, why not?

SalTheReturn
07-02-2008, 11:00
Sure, and giving flowers, cards or gifts on 14th Feb aren't customary either - provided you intend being a friendless sociopathic outcast.

Where do you get this mad information from? Having you been listening to the BBC World Service or something? They tell you on there that everyone in Britain lives in a thatched cottage and plays cricket on Sunday afternoons too :(

limited to my italian experience they are stuff which i would say are still good but definitely considered:
-old fashioned
-ways too expensive
-inappropriate in the 21century

these are diamonds and shubas.

never seen someone giving a diamond ring, not al least an average italian man

Penelope
07-02-2008, 11:27
whats a sapphire?
See Miracle's post, #5. She inserted a picture there.

MickeyTong
07-02-2008, 16:49
whats a sapphire?

sapphire = zaffiro
Miracle posted a picture.....

Bluewave
07-02-2008, 17:28
I do not think that there are any rules for engagement and wedding rings in our country. :11721:
It is different in each class of our society. If you are with someone who used to get luxury presents or she can even afford to buy it herself, she would defenitly expect from you ring with dimond.

Others will be glad to get a nice stylish ring. Anyway, polite and intelligent woman would never tell you that she had expected to get something extremely expensive.

P.S. I know that Tiffany rings are twice cheaper in USA than in Moscow, because of rent price and customs. Some of my american colleagues bought them for their weddings here and girls were quite happy.:sunny:

Malairt
07-02-2008, 23:01
I cheated and took my beloved to a nice shop in the Old Arbat and asked her to choose whatever she fancied. She loves me so it didn't hurt Amex too much. That way she got exactly what she wanted (big diamond in the centre with lots of what I would describe as diamond dust across the top third of the gold ring).

Where do people get the idea that a diamond ring is an American invention? I remember many years ago seeing a documentary on DeBeers where a wizened old gent chortled at being the marketing genius that came up with the slogan "a diamond is forever" which made millions (billions?) for DeBeers and established the idea that an engagement ring has to be diamond. I think he also came up with the idea that it should cost 3 months wages. Thankfully I think that idea is dead.

Eternity rings - no thanks. I bought one and 6 months later was told that I was being divorced: so that worked well then.

phoenixsampras
25-02-2008, 12:47
Nice question, Silverbullet ^^
Well - the most important thing that women here expect from engagement - it is your love, support and understanding........
And diamond ring is the best prove of that three things from u ^-*
:lovepot:

So.....do you have serious plans to present this diamond thing for someone this Val's Day?? ;)

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

We all know Russian brides only marry guys with a decent bank statement. LOVE!! hahahahahahah

http://czabe.com/daily/archives/silvstedt_with_loser.jpg

MissAnnElk
25-02-2008, 13:33
The diamond as an engagement gift is relatively new . . . at one time the traditional gift was garnets, which symbolize "constancy and friendship."

SilverBullet
04-03-2008, 12:09
More than 80 percent of American brides receive a diamond engagement ring (at an average cost of around $3,200) before they get married. Few stop to think about what, beyond the misty promise of endless love, the ring might actually signify. Why would you, after all? A wedding is supposed to be a celebration. Only the uncharitable would look a sparkly diamond in the eyenever mind a man on his kneeand ask what it means.

But there's a powerful case to be made that in an age of equitable marriage the engagement ring is an outmoded commoditystarting with the obvious fact that only the woman gets one. :eh:

The "tradition" of the diamond engagement ring is newer than you might think. Betrothal rings, a custom inherited from the Romans, became an increasingly common part of the Christian tradition in the 13th century. The first known diamond engagement ring was commissioned for Mary of Burgundy by the Archduke Maximilian of Austria in 1477. The Victorians exchanged "regards" rings set with birthstones. But it wasn't until the late 19th century, after the discovery of mines in South Africa drove the price of diamonds down, that Americans regularly began to give (or receive) diamond engagement rings. (Before that, some betrothed women got thimbles instead of rings.) Even then, the real blingfest didn't get going until the 1930s, whendim the lights, strike up the violins, and cue entrancethe De Beers diamond company decided it was time to take action against the American public.


In light of all this, when the "bride to be" is destined for the USA, a diamond engagement ring is the norm and what is expected :queen: Diamonds are Russian women's best friend. :10518:

Clean32
04-03-2008, 12:36
I would have thought that a dimond ring was BEST PROVE that the chick had control of the dizy guys wallet and or visa card, i doint think that a rock is any proof of love or any othere emotion othere that that of of a gold digger




Nice question, Silverbullet ^^
Well - the most important thing that women here expect from engagement - it is your love, support and understanding........
And diamond ring is the best prove of that three things from u ^-*
:lovepot:

So.....do you have serious plans to present this diamond thing for someone this Val's Day?? ;)

SilverBullet
05-03-2008, 01:42
I would have thought that a dimond ring was BEST PROVE that the chick had control of the dizy guys wallet and or visa card, i doint think that a rock is any proof of love or any othere emotion othere that that of of a gold digger

This must be the type of love diamonds bring out in some women but I think this is not the norm. Diamonds are the way to go. :inlove:

Mirka
18-09-2008, 08:51
whats a sapphire?

It is a stone. Used for different reasons but also for rings.
http://www.primagem.com/Sapphire_Link_op_800x707.jpg

moscowbni
16-11-2008, 19:14
I asked my Russian wife (future wife at that time) what she thought about a diamond ring/engagement ring...and she stated that she didn't want one because she would be afraid to ware it around town, and on the metro. She didn't want to get mugged. She prefered a simple gold wedding band, not an engagement ring. After all, only the wedding band mattered...not a promise ring, but the real thing!

On our first anniversary, I bought her diamond earrings. She can put them on for special occasions, and they have special memories from when I gave them to her. 10 years latter, she treasures them just as much and still has no desire for a diamond ring.

Just don't ask me about fur coats. That is a whole nother story.

rushan
16-11-2008, 20:35
try to listen to this (http://search.everyzing.com/viewMedia.jsp?dedupe=1&res=293260565&index=1&col=en-all-public-ep&num=10&e=20485538&start=0&q=%22engagement+rings%22+-youtube&expand=true&match=query,channel&filter=1) opinion

or read the second (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ron_White) bullet point

if seriously, to me it is a norm at special anniversaries like 5,10,15,20 etc years together. then you can buy diamonds for sure if you want to

opag78
25-12-2008, 16:33
My wife is Russian and for wedding she wanted a simple gold band, but for engagement a thin ring with a small diamond.

I bought almost all jewellery for her in India, but I worked there for 3 years , hence .. :) In general India is the THE place for jewellery as they have the biggest manufacturies over there and the most competition between the shops.

Anna Amoordon
02-01-2009, 11:49
This must be the type of love diamonds bring out in some women but I think this is not the norm. Diamonds are the way to go. :inlove:

The first picture looks like me and my bf:shhhhhh:

Qdos
02-01-2009, 12:02
There's a lot to be said for a ring thru' the nose, and a plain old brass or iron one at that... absolutely no more affection lies behind an exorbitant pricetag on a ring with diamonds, than a cheap metal band, what a load of sheer crap it is if anyone is vain enough to expect diamonds...

Besides, when in the land of the 'laboratory diamond' it wouldn't do to ignore the merchandise now would it? :devil:

alexstone
26-01-2009, 19:14
It was my experience that a woman in Australia and UK was far more likely to expect a 'visibly showoffable' diamond engagement ring as an indication of.......love and commitment.

I talked with my wife Olya about it, and she refused. She said the money would be put to better use for our future, and shared the same apprehension about wearing a diamond ring in the metro, etc..

So i bought her a plain but elegant wedding ring, and as my decision, a necklace with a diamond that she can wear out of view, and enjoy wearing at the same time.

She's thrilled, and happy.

Expensive rings aren't compulsory, (whatever diamond sellers may try to sell as a new tradition) attract the wrong kind of attention, and are.....the same as anyone else.

Be creative. Russian ladies generally are intelligent and thoughtful enough to appreciate your efforts, whether it's seen as traditional or not.

At least the right ones are, and that particular discussion can't be viewed by nationality either. People are people around the world. Some men and women are genuine about a great married partnership for life, and some........

2 roubles worth,


Alex.

Scrat335
26-01-2009, 19:59
This subject really gets under my skin. F**k diamonds!! I can't stand the things. Has anyone ever heard about blood diamonds?
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Ever see the movie? Ever been to Africa? Children die for those things in tunnel collapses for pennies a day. Wars are fought over them and people starve because of them. I've seen it, diamond dealers in Seirra Leon driving around in range rovers and Mercedes past kids begging in the streets. Before you buy these damn things use your freaking head.

Dealers say they know where the diamonds come from but they really don't, they also don't care as long as they can sell them at a HUGE MARKUP to some lovelorn FOOL!!!

I never bought my wife a diamond, I refused. Any self respecting person would. Give it a go, just how much does she really value you and how you feel? Think about the uses of the money that red stained rock is going to cost and what other uses it could be put to. A downpayment on a flat is a much better use for it. How about putting it towards education, a car, a better honeymoon? Furniture?

Alright I'm done. :soapbox:

MissAnnElk
26-01-2009, 20:21
I never bought my wife a diamond, I refused. Any self respecting person would. Give it a go, just how much does she really value you and how you feel? Think about the uses of the money that red stained rock is going to cost and what other uses it could be put to. A down payment on a flat is a much better use for it. How about putting it towards education, a car, a better honeymoon? Furniture?

My husband offered to buy me one. He wanted the symbol. He wanted everyone to know I was engaged. I protested, "But, but . . . my brothers in South Africa!"

I thought we needed to buy a car instead. We did.

I made him buy me a giant fake ring from K-Mart. I think it cost $5 and came from a gumball machine. But it fooled a LOT of people. Alas, I'm not sure where it is now.

Scrat335
27-01-2009, 06:46
That's noble of you Mrs Elk. I bought her a $400 full lenght womens leather jacket with a furr collar which she still wears and put some away to ensure she could go home and visit her parents. This was 6 years ago.
All we have on our fingers are gold rings, I believe hers was about $120 and mine was about $90. What more do we need?
Diamonds are such a ripoff.

MissAnnElk
27-01-2009, 08:33
That's noble of you Mrs Elk. I bought her a $400 full lenght womens leather jacket with a furr collar which she still wears and put some away to ensure she could go home and visit her parents. This was 6 years ago.
All we have on our fingers are gold rings, I believe hers was about $120 and mine was about $90. What more do we need?
Diamonds are such a ripoff.

Don't get me wrong . . . I love jewelry. And he has since bought me a lot (not diamonds, but once he got me a lovely sapphire ring for Valentine's Day). And a nice fur coat. It just didn't seem necessary at that time, especially when we were poor as mice.

I know another woman who instructed her fiance NOT to buy her a diamond ring. They got one with CZs instead and it looks lovely.

harold23
02-04-2009, 14:41
I would say ring is not so important as well as we cannot ignore that. Basically it depends on the people how they feel about the love. Certain people feel that it is a token of their relationship and is purely one's personal to wear a ring or not

Papotchka
17-06-2009, 22:47
Back in 1999, I did purchased an engament ring to my now loving wife, but had to explain how important it was for me to do so, knowing it was not so traditional in Russia. Once she accepted this "western tradition", she was proudly "showing off" her engagement ring to family and friends.
:hooray:

krasnosielskaya2
29-08-2009, 20:54
What ever country, I trust any women will enjoy a diamond ring...:12035:

annakuznetsova
16-09-2009, 15:28
Just don't ask me about fur coats. That is a whole nother story.

You can't compare a diamond engagement ring to a fur coat. A ring is just a ring, but a nice fur coat is a girl's best friend. My friend and I went all the way to Milan to go fur shopping! We'd never have done that for a ring. :queen:

MissAnnElk
16-09-2009, 15:42
You can't compare a diamond engagement ring to a fur coat. A ring is just a ring, but a nice fur coat is a girl's best friend. My friend and I went all the way to Milan to go fur shopping! We'd never have done that for a ring. :queen:

Are there better deals on furs in Milan?

tvadim133
16-09-2009, 15:55
So long term discussion....

I think, that show off is very typical for Russia and ex-soviet states.

After soviet period of time, there appear a lot of nouveaurich, who wanted to underline they have got money but at the same time they were without good taste....+ some people wanted to pretend they are more wealthy (rich)then they are actual.

Still, you can meet open-market sellers with diamonds and mink fur, or taxi drivers with large golden rings and chains....

Some people buy cars of High-cl**** even afterwards they need to safe money even from food....

But there is another good tendency at least in Moscow and S.Pete:

to look wealthy and healthy is better, that is good and "expensive" hair-cuts, good teeth, manicure (even men), good parfume, sports shape e.t.c.

Though in some places I still see women look like X-mas trees.....

is4fun
16-09-2009, 16:21
Although an older thread, interesting non-the-less. I always thought the first ring you give to your loved one is the one that she would be married in. Now there are two rings? One for an engagement and the other for marriage? I must have missed this a long time ago. I have not seen any adverts in any jewelry stores stating engagement rings have a 100% money back guarantee pending full contractual marriage. Is this a new marketing ploy? Will we eventually need to buy a third ring in the future and maybe a fourth+

MissAnnElk
16-09-2009, 16:28
Although an older thread, interesting non-the-less. I always thought the first ring you give to your loved one is the one that she would be married in. Now there are two rings? One for an engagement and the other for marriage? I must have missed this a long time ago. I have not seen any adverts in any jewelry stores stating engagement rings have a 100% money back guarantee pending full contractual marriage. Is this a new marketing ploy? Will we eventually need to buy a third ring in the future and maybe a fourth+

In the US anyhow, there is often an engagement ring that has a diamond and then wedding bands exchanged at the actual service. Not everyone does that, of course.

Now the DeBeers people would like us to give diamonds for milestone anniversaries, etc.

is4fun
16-09-2009, 16:42
Probably why I never stayed married... LOL

Viola
16-09-2009, 17:09
YouTube- Marilyn Monroe - Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend [WITH LYRICS]

arturo bandini
07-02-2011, 19:42
say, if anyone has a store in Moscow that they bought a diamond ring or earrings, would you mind sharing it? valentine's day approaches!

Tate
07-02-2011, 21:55
i believe these days you will not impress a woman so much if u give her the diamond stuff...the tour to some sea-side place or venice,what else...romantic..the same money but these memories she will not forget and will love you much much more:11629:
1/for the married-like the honey moon never ended.
2/ for the not married-just romantic...

Droidage
08-02-2011, 09:22
Try www.trudiamonds.co.uk. A fraction of the cost and cannot tell the difference and you won't feel so bad if/when the whole thing goes pear shaped.

CatTV
23-03-2011, 23:13
I'm Russian woman. I think Russian woman expect as much as possible and much more. We like generous people. But we could be generous too. It's fasionable to have wedding ring with dimonds. But if a woman really loves u she will be glad just your ring with or without dimonds. My husband's Russin. Firstly he presented me ring with dimonds. But then I asked him to buy ordinary ring because dimonds detain to cook and to take care of baby etc.

Nicofr79
30-08-2011, 17:29
If your fiancee likes classic clothers and bijou it is better to buy her ring without diamond

AstarD
30-08-2011, 17:57
Of course! Agree!

Steve1
07-05-2012, 13:21
Ok, so diamond rings are nice but the important things as in every country is, that she loves you. Frankly if she is marring you only because of the fact that you presented her with an expensive ring, i would suggest you to run away from her as fast as possible.

A simple golden ring does it as well. you have to be careful and not fall prey to one of those scavengers who are just on you for a big bank account.

rusmeister
07-05-2012, 14:54
If you ask me, the thing a woman wants most is a man who will make a vow for life and keep it and not walk away when problems arise - as they inevitably will.

robertmf
07-05-2012, 16:29
**When** did the custom of diamond engagement ring come to Russia ?

Did the custom begin with McDonald's coming to Russia :question: (i.e., another American influence)

centrepoint
13-01-2015, 12:55
Nope.. it's not about life expectancy.. Really, what I wanted to do was add to this thread Are diamond engagement rings what Russian women expect? Is it the new norm in Russia? http://www.expat.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=62978&highlight=are+diamonds+expect, but it seems to be closed :10220: so from that thread:


I never bought my wife a diamond, I refused. Any self respecting person would. Give it a go, just how much does she really value you and how you feel? Think about the uses of the money that red stained rock is going to cost and what other uses it could be put to. A downpayment on a flat is a much better use for it. How about putting it towards education, a car, a better honeymoon? Furniture?
Just don't ask me about fur coats. That is a whole nother story.

I see some girls/wives to be asking for diamond rings, fur coats, private schools for their children, keep their mums happy for life.. and this to ordinary blokes with ordinary salaries, I'm not sure what's acceptable and what's not anymore because many partners are happy to oblige with the ring and the fur.. love on a shoestring no more? What's your view about this, who's getting it wrong, the girls for asking it or the men for accepting this?

FatAndy
13-01-2015, 13:25
Old thread is reopened and merged with the new. Go on.