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rumple_stilskin
30-09-2014, 09:13
Andy, did you celebrate Leninapad in Kharkov? It was the biggest monument in the whole country, I was reading. A truly historical moment. :)

Maybe they can replace it with a monument of a banker, to celebrate their new rulers.

All the oligarchs in the Ukraine and Russia were created as a result of "favors" by the west 20 years ago. Where they told them to sell all their public assets for free. Now Ukraine goes for round two, talking about suckers for punishment.

FatAndy
30-09-2014, 10:28
Andy, did you celebrate Leninapad in Kharkov? It was the biggest monument in the whole country, I was reading. A truly historical moment. :)
I don't celebrate clinical cases. A war againist monuments is a war againist windmills.

Two months period count starts over :)

Suuryaa
30-09-2014, 11:20
Two months period count starts over :)

What is that?

Russian Lad
30-09-2014, 11:53
What is that?

My self-exclusion period. You know, online casinos have this option - when a player asks for some self-exclusion time when he realizes that continuing playing at the moment is detrimental to his brain or finances.


I don't celebrate clinical cases. A war againist monuments is a war againist windmills.

Well, it embodied the Evil to many of them. We should bury him, I find it very barbaric to have, in the middle of the capital, a decaying corpse on public display for admirers, in the 21st century. Wonder if Lenin himself would approve such a handling of his body.


Maybe they can replace it with a monument of a banker, to celebrate their new rulers.

All the oligarchs in the Ukraine and Russia were created as a result of "favors" by the west 20 years ago. Where they told them to sell all their public assets for free. Now Ukraine goes for round two, talking about suckers for punishment.

You are saying that as if Ukraine would have no bankers around if they didn't have this revolution. Read up on bourgeois revolutions. Moscow is using this old symbolism just to maintain its own grip on the territory and possibly to gain more I guess. No bright, bankers-free future is promised. And I would choose foreign bankers any time of the day - mortgage % and other interest payments are like five times smaller in the West for ordinary citizens than in Russia. You having an axe to grind against the American administration doesn't automatically make the Russian one noble and honest and more effective in its monetary/banking policies. See that, finally.

FatAndy
30-09-2014, 12:13
Well, it embodied the Evil to many of them.
It confirms the case is clinical, not social or political. Unfortunately "retaliating psychiatry" is over. Insha alla...


We should bury him, I find it very barbaric to have, in the middle of the capital, a decaying corpse on public display for admirers, in the 21st century.
Who are these "we"? :)


Wonder if Lenin himself would approve such a handling of his body.
:eek:
Just FYI - he has died in 1924.

Russian Lad
30-09-2014, 12:14
Just FYI - he has died in 1924.

You are being blasphemous and disrespectful now, comrade! Let's assume I didn't see this claim of yours.


Who are these "we"?

The undertakers.:)

FatAndy
30-09-2014, 12:20
Moscow is using this old symbolism just to maintain its own grip on the territory and possibly to gain more I guess.
Which way? Moscow has only 2 of public shown Lenin monuments now besides Mausoleum, IIRC - one in Kremlin, one at Oktyabrskaya square.


The undertakers.:)
:10600:

Armoured
30-09-2014, 12:25
Which way? Moscow has only 2 of public shown Lenin monuments now besides Mausoleum, IIRC - one in Kremlin, one at Oktyabrskaya square.

I'm still unclear on why Russia cares if Lenin statues elsewhere are torn down or preserved. Anyone care to explain?

Russian Lad
30-09-2014, 12:29
Moscow has only 2 of public shown Lenin monuments now besides Mausoleum, IIRC - one in Kremlin, one at Oktyabrskaya square.

In Russia there are quite many of them, don't know about Moscow. And him still being in the Mausoleum kind of shows the true intentions - to restore the Soviet Union and maybe even make it larger (+ Serbia, etc.). Russia is not defending itself against NATO, Russia is trying to expand, aggressively. It doesn't have the resources for that, though, and now runs systemic risks that are getting worse every day.
http://leninstatues.ru/skolko


Anyone care to explain?

See above. The explanation is very simple. Of course they don't want to resume building Communist, state-run pseudo-capitalism (neototalitarism in reality) suits them just fine - after all, it has been working for Mugabe so far. Lenin's statue is like a mark on the territory, akin to wolves marking their own territory with their urine. It is all rather biological.:) You destroy their markings, they get p'ssed off. The same with Lenin statues. It is not a love for preserving precious monuments at all, nothing innocent like that in this case.:) Many Ukrainians seem to have figured out this little secret.

Харьков снос памятника Ленина на площади Свободы 2014 09 28 22 15 57 - YouTube

Armoured
30-09-2014, 12:31
Which way? Moscow has only 2 of public shown Lenin monuments now besides Mausoleum, IIRC - one in Kremlin, one at Oktyabrskaya square.

Way more than that - closer to a hundred, although I don't know how many would qualify as 'publicly shown.'

http://ru-lenin.livejournal.com/40157.html

In a Moscow village where I go occasionally - very off the beaten track - there is one I like to stop at, because it's painted shiny silver like a spaceman.

FatAndy
30-09-2014, 13:00
I'm still unclear on why Russia cares if Lenin statues elsewhere are torn down or preserved. Anyone care to explain?
It's a piece of history.:eh:

Your Capt. Obvious.

Russian Lad
30-09-2014, 13:12
:emote_popcorn:

Judge
30-09-2014, 13:15
Read this the other day...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/soviet-ussr-monuments-should-be-protected

Armoured
30-09-2014, 13:25
It's a piece of history.:eh:

Your Capt. Obvious.

Lazy response. Sure, it's a piece of history - but why does _Russia_ care, as opposed to history lovers.

I can see the reason for being upset about monuments to WWII soldiers. But why the government of Russia has an official opinion on Lenin statues outside of Russia remains unclear.

Russian Lad
30-09-2014, 13:30
Read this the other day...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...d-be-protected

You have to understand that for Ukraine it is not just some legacy or history - for many of them it is the reality, with what happened in the Crimea and what is happening in the East (and what could/may have happened in the South as well).
I fully understand what they are doing and why. Actually I was against this when it was happening back in the beginning of the year in Kiev, thinking along these "history protection lines". Now I clearly see they were right and I was wrong (well, I was brainwashed, to use the proper word).

Armoured
30-09-2014, 13:35
Read this the other day...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/soviet-ussr-monuments-should-be-protected

It's a good piece. And I'm not commenting specifically on whether Ukrainians should or should not care about Lenin, and whether them conflating Lenin with Yanukovich (or someone else) makes sense. Or even that this particular case is a sign of popular madness or a great thing or whatever - no opinion, really.

But why Russia should wnat to make a big deal out of it and on what pretext is a big question.

FatAndy
30-09-2014, 13:35
But why the government of Russia has an official opinion on Lenin statues outside of Russia remains unclear.
I didn't notice official claims on it. Where, please?

Armoured
30-09-2014, 13:40
I didn't notice official claims on it. Where, please?

Sorry, in a rush - sure I heard some officials commenting stridently on it. Will look later.

But I may have been confusing RT with government :10189:

http://rt.com/politics/191540-kharkov-lenin-monument-zombie/

Russian Lad
30-09-2014, 13:45
I didn't notice official claims on it. Where, please?

Zuganov has been commenting on it extensively since Kiev. He is not the president, of course, but he is not the last person there.

annasophia
30-09-2014, 14:06
Seattle WA has it's own Lenin statue, imported from the Czechoslovakia around Glasnost time by an American who felt sorry for it. I read that it has been valued at $250,000. You guys need to take better care of your Lenin monuments, there's money to be made.

I suppose it's the only statue of Lenin in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_%28Seattle%29

- and whoo hoo Taco Del Mar in the backround, Lenin+tacos -

Russian Lad
30-09-2014, 14:16
Seattle WA has it's own Lenin statue, imported from the Czechoslovakia around Glasnost time by an American who felt sorry for it. I read that it has been valued at $250,000. You guys need to take better care of your Lenin monuments, there's money to be made.

I suppose it's the only statue of Lenin in the US.

Wonder if there are many Ukrainians in Seattle...

FatAndy
30-09-2014, 14:43
Wonder if there are many Ukrainians in Seattle...
Enough of them there but I doubt if local cops will pick nose if maidowns will try to fall it down, like it was in Ukraine.


well, I was brainwashed, to use the proper word).
But now you know The TruthЪ. Congratulations. :applause:


He is not the president, of course, but he is not the last person there.
16th, if speak frankly.


But I may have been confusing RT with government :10189:
Many do, and this is good. It brings a bit more confusion into non-prepared brains of foreigners. :verycool:

annasophia
30-09-2014, 14:47
Andy I saw this the other day and thought of you. Feel free to use it any way you wish.

Russian Lad
30-09-2014, 14:50
but I doubt if local cops will pick nose if maidowns will try to fall it down, like it was in Ukraine.

Who knows what the cops will do if some Russians begin gathering around this monument regularly, shouting "America is Russia!", waiving the Russian flag and demanding referendums, while there is a pro-Russian insurgence in Alaska...

FatAndy
30-09-2014, 15:05
Comrade, listen me carefully once more. :)

Switch your numerous TVs off, have a steak, a glass of wine and a girl. ;)

Jas
30-09-2014, 15:37
People are foregtting that it was under the Soviet State that the Nazis got trashed and Lenin was the founder of that state.
This matters to millions of Russians, the vast majority of Russians even. So it's not just about trashing a statue, its about telling that Russian history which is including such stuff as the victory over fascism and Gagarain and other such amazing stuff is illegitimate.
Also, u got to c the racist element in this cos it's a symbol of regarding Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine as second class.

There shud be international laws to stop such destruction cos its a calling card for genocide really. Next will be language, music, russian schools- in fact these Nazis already even tried such bad stuff.

I wud compare it to when the Talibs destroyed the Buddha statues in Bamyan Province in Afghanistan. And look were such actions led. Wake up!

annasophia
30-09-2014, 15:51
There really should be international laws against the grinding massacre of language and reason exhibited in your disseminations. That would be legislation I can support.

AstarD
30-09-2014, 15:58
People are foregtting that it was under the Soviet State that the Nazis got trashed and Lenin was the founder of that state.
This matters to millions of Russians, the vast majority of Russians even. So it's not just about trashing a statue, its about telling that Russian history which is including such stuff as the victory over fascism and Gagarain and other such amazing stuff is illegitimate.
Also, u got to c the racist element in this cos it's a symbol of regarding Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine as second class.

There shud be international laws to stop such destruction cos its a calling card for genocide really. Next will be language, music, russian schools- in fact these Nazis already even tried such bad stuff.

I wud compare it to when the Talibs destroyed the Buddha statues in Bamyan Province in Afghanistan. And look were such actions led. Wake up!
Lenin was a mass murderer. Citizens of a country that he violated and suppressed have every right to get rid of anything that glorifies him, including people who talk like he was a great guy.

Armoured
30-09-2014, 16:12
I wud compare it to when the Talibs destroyed the Buddha statues in Bamyan Province in Afghanistan.

That is the most ridiculous comparison I have heard in ages. Thanks for the excellent laugh!

Jas
30-09-2014, 16:28
There really should be international laws against the grinding massacre of language and reason exhibited in your disseminations. That would be legislation I can support.

Yeah?


That is the most ridiculous comparison I have heard in ages. Thanks for the excellent laugh!

No it's exactly the same and its called cultural jenocide. Duh.


Lenin was a mass murderer. Citizens of a country that he violated and suppressed have every right to get rid of anything that glorifies him, including people who talk like he was a great guy.

Er, zillions of people died under the British Raj but if they started to smash up all the British heritage stuff in Pakistan u wud be offended. That's one thing. But when it's people involved then it's NOT just about a statue. Its about the respect of minorities in Eastern Ukraine and about Russians especially.

Btw, the Nazis of Azov Battalion are REAL Nazis by any standard so stop LYING and telling they are not. The dogs even crucefied a little kid. That's just what the Talibs was doing and what ISIS is now doing.

STOP DENYING WHAT IS GOING ON.

FatAndy
30-09-2014, 16:47
Lenin was a mass murderer. Citizens of a country that he violated and suppressed have every right to get rid of anything that glorifies him, including people who talk like he was a great guy.
:mooooh: :voodoo:

:)

Armoured
30-09-2014, 16:49
Its about the respect of minorities in Eastern Ukraine and about Russians especially.

But the hero of the day would surely support _less_ respect for those Russian minorities:


"A distinction must necessarily be made between the nationalism of an oppressor nation and that of an oppressed nation, the nationalism of a big nation and a small nation...[W]e nationalists of a big nation, have nearly always been guilty, in historical practice, of an infinite number of causes of violence... That is why internationalism on the part of oppressors or 'great' nations... must consist not only in the observance of the formal equality of nations but even in an inequality of the oppressor nation."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/cccp-nationalities-lenin.htm

AstarD
30-09-2014, 17:18
Yeah?



No it's exactly the same and its called cultural jenocide. Duh.



Er, zillions of people died under the British Raj but if they started to smash up all the British heritage stuff in Pakistan u wud be offended. That's one thing. But when it's people involved then it's NOT just about a statue. Its about the respect of minorities in Eastern Ukraine and about Russians especially.

Btw, the Nazis of Azov Battalion are REAL Nazis by any standard so stop LYING and telling they are not. The dogs even crucefied a little kid. That's just what the Talibs was doing and what ISIS is now doing.

STOP DENYING WHAT IS GOING ON.
They did not crucify a child. That was made up by the Russian running-dog media.

FatAndy
30-09-2014, 17:21
But the hero of the day would surely support _less_ respect for those Russian minorities:
Don't tear out the quote of the context, comrade. :) The full text is here: http://leninism.su/works/115-conspect/4248-v-i-lenin-o-natsionalnom-voprose-i-natsionalnoj-politike.html?showall=&start=14

Armoured
30-09-2014, 17:24
Er, zillions of people died under the British Raj but if they started to smash up all the British heritage stuff in Pakistan u wud be offended.

So you're saying the Soviet Union was really just imperialist, like the Raj?

Armoured
30-09-2014, 17:36
Don't tear out the quote of the context, comrade. :) The full text is here: http://leninism.su/works/115-conspect/4248-v-i-lenin-o-natsionalnom-voprose-i-natsionalnoj-politike.html?showall=&start=14

I konkretno?

FatAndy
30-09-2014, 17:45
I konkretno?
Well, by your quote - 1922, then:

К ВОПРОСУ О НАЦИОНАЛЬНОСТЯХ ИЛИ ОБ АВТОНОМИЗАЦИИ

(Продолжение)

Я уже писал в своих произведениях по национальному вопросу, что никуда не годится абстрактная постановка вопроса о национализме вообще. Необходимо отличать национализм нации угнетающей и национализм нации угнетенной, национализм большой нации и национализм нации маленькой.

По отношению ко второму национализму почти всегда в исторической практике мы, националы большой нации, оказываемся виноватыми в бесконечном количестве насилия, и даже больше того — незаметно для себя совершаем бесконечное количество насилий и оскорблений,— стоит только припомнить мои волжские воспоминания о том, как у нас третируют инородцев, как поляка не называют иначе, как полячишкой, как татарина не высмеивают иначе, как князь, украинца иначе, как хохол, грузина и других кавказских инородцев,— как капказский человек.

Поэтому интернационализм со стороны угнетающей или так называемой великой нации (хотя великой только своими насилиями, великой только так. как велик держиморда) должен состоять не только в соблюдении формального равенства наций, но и в таком неравенстве, которое возмещало бы со стороны нации угнетающей, нации большой, то неравенство, которое складывается в жизни фактически. Кто не понял этого, тот не понял действительно пролетарского отношения к национальному вопросу, тот остался, в сущности, на точке зрения мелкобуржуазной и поэтому не может не скатываться ежеминутно к буржуазной точке зрения. Что важно для пролетария? Для пролетария не только важно, но и существенно необходимо обеспечить его максимумом доверия в пролетарской классовой борьбе со стороны инородцев. Что нужно для этого? Для этого нужно не только формальное равенство. Для этого нужно возместить так или иначе своим обращением или своими уступками по отношению к инородцу то недоверие, ту подозрительность, те обиды, которые в историческом прошлом нанесены ему правительством великодержавной нации.

Я думаю, что для большевиков, для коммунистов разъяснять это дальше и подробно не приходится. И я думаю, что в данном случае, по отношению к грузинской нации, мы имеем типичный пример того, где сугубая осторожность, предупредительность и уступчивость требуются с нашей стороны поистине пролетарским отношением к делу. Тот грузин, который пренебрежительно относится к этой стороне дела, пренебрежительно швыряется обвинением в социал-национализме (тогда как он сам является настоящим и истинным не только социал-националом, но и грубым великорусским держимордой), тот грузин, в сущности, нарушает интересы пролетарской классовой солидарности, потому что ничто так не задерживает развития и унроченности пролетарской классовой солидарности, как национальная несправедливость, и ни к чему так не чутки обиженные националы, как к чувству равенства и к нарушению этого равенства, хотя бы даже по небрежности, хотя бы даже в виде шутки, к нарушению этого равенства своими товарищами пролетариями. Вот почему в данном случае лучше пересолить в сторону уступчивости и мягкости к национальным меньшинствам, чем недосолить. Вот почему в данном случае коренной интерес пролетарской солидарности, а следовательно и пролетарской классовой борьбы, требует, чтобы мы никогда не относились формально к национальному вопросу, а всегда учитывали обязательную разницу в отношении пролетария нации угнетенной (или малой) к нации угнетающей (или большой).

Ленин

Записано М. В.

31. XII. 22 г.

Armoured
30-09-2014, 17:47
Well, by your quote - 1922, then:

К ВОПРОСУ О НАЦИОНАЛЬНОСТЯХ ИЛИ ОБ АВТОНОМИЗАЦИИ

Well yes, I read it. But what do you think is out of context (in the sense that disagrees with the quote substantively)?

I might, for example, not the bit that "как у нас третируют инородцев, ... украинца иначе, как хохол,"

It seems to me the modern version of this is just calling all ukrainians banderovtsy, nazis, nationalists, vandals, etc.

Jas
30-09-2014, 17:54
They did not crucify a child. That was made up by the Russian running-dog media.

Yes they done it and I duuno why ure defending them also. Nazis do such stuff and there are plenty of nazis fighting for kiev and swedish nazis also are helping them btw.


So you're saying the Soviet Union was really just imperialist, like the Raj?

No cos Russians was not considered to be above anyone and minorities was all equal

FatAndy
30-09-2014, 17:57
Well yes, I read it. But what do you think is out of context (in the sense that disagrees with the quote substantively)?
1. Timeframe differs
2. Situation (social and political) differs
3. Lenin was speaking about the particular situation in Georgia, trying to manage national feelings of Georgians oppressed during damned tsarizm (C) ;) - to do it soft and accurate way.


I might, for example, not the bit that "как у нас третируют инородцев, ... украинца иначе, как хохол,"
Третируют? Now? It has became a kind of folk joke many years ago, as same as return ones.


It seems to me the modern version of this is just calling all ukrainians banderovtsy, nazis, nationalists, vandals, etc.
Not all, but many of them now are - banderovtsy, nazis, nationalists, vandals. Regarding etc. please clarify.

AstarD
30-09-2014, 18:02
No cos Russians was not considered to be above anyone and minorities was all equal
Except the Jews, who got to enjoy regular pogroms.

FatAndy
30-09-2014, 18:05
Yes they done it
No. It was fake news, RT has pi$$ed off that time.


I duuno why ure defending them also.
Maybe because Astarochka was born somewhere at West, and maidan was, is and probably will be the Western "project"?


there are plenty of nazis fighting for kiev
Yes.


and swedish nazis also are helping them btw.
Do you have any data about Swedish nazists in Kiev side troops?


No cos Russians was not considered to be above anyone and minorities was all equal
Not equal - they had preferences in USSR.


Except the Jews, who got to enjoy regular pogroms.
In Soviet Union? :)

FatAndy
30-09-2014, 18:10
I can't keep myself, the really great "holiday postcard" for RL (and, maybe, rusmeister):

http://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/1924397_785901628129369_545608076474799422_n.jpg?oh=7f2cbdd9433192bb3c277cc96905e3a7&oe=54CC0525&__gda__=1421739408_00f755fd1301e54255e3fca630f7a28a

In the current stream of symbols etc. Especially etc. ;)

Jas
30-09-2014, 18:19
Andy, the news here told there is a swedish sniper what's training kiev nazis. I swear to god, I heard it.

Jas
30-09-2014, 18:24
It was on swedish evening news and c here alhttp://www.infoodessa.com/index.php/%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B9/%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4/entry/swedish-sniper-is-captured-by-lugansk-militantsukazhite-nazvanie-bloga.htmlo

Jas
30-09-2014, 18:26
Check this also fatandhttps://uk.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Avv_8m914iVI1hTRydeXtWn03mBH?toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-hrtab-903&fp=1&p=swedish+sniper+kiev.

Russian Lad
30-09-2014, 20:34
I can't keep myself, the really great "holiday postcard" for RL (and, maybe, rusmeister):

It may be news to Rusmeister, nothing is new to me here - I have always been telling him that they are nothing but the obedient servants of the regime, brainwashing the hoi polloi.
The masks are off now and we can see their blood-dripping fangs. Good enough for me. If I was a Rusmeister, I would realize I have been fooled. Not sure what he thinks now. He is a good man, so I bet the disillusionment must be a hard thing, especially at his age. Well, better later than never.
Andy, a song for you. I felt like vomiting when watching, but somehow I think you will enjoy it (click View on Youtube there). Wonder why Gubarev is so depressed...:

"ЭТž Рž”˜НА œžЯ" ’.Ц‹ганова, Ÿ.œа‚€ени‡ев, Ÿ.“ƒба€ев. - YouTube

Uncle Wally
30-09-2014, 20:55
Lenin was a mass murderer. Citizens of a country that he violated and suppressed have every right to get rid of anything that glorifies him, including people who talk like he was a great guy.



What should we do with Bush and Obama?

Armoured
30-09-2014, 20:57
What should we do with Bush and Obama?

Tear down their statues, by all means.

Yaks
01-10-2014, 07:05
The coal mines of Kazakhstan were full of Jewish dissidents. The descendants live there to this day, easy to ask them. Plus Hebrew(though not Yiddish)was banned in the soviet union, as was talk of the holocaust as well as the taking over of almost every synagogue and all Jewish gravesites. Plus Jews were banned from moving abroad and leaving the country. Life wasn't great for Jews in the Soviet Union but it was better than it was under the Pale of Settlement and the Tsars.

Benedikt
01-10-2014, 07:09
Well, it embodied the Evil to many of them. We should bury him, I find it very barbaric to have, in the middle of the capital, a decaying corpse on public display for admirers, in the 21st century. Wonder if Lenin himself would approve such a handling of his body.



he wanted to be buried at the cemetery. in St.Petes. Put was -overruled- by the geriatrics in the ZK and of course by -the will of the people- who wanted to have him forever on show how great he was.

fenrir
01-10-2014, 08:40
Yes they done it and I duuno why ure defending them also. Nazis do such stuff and there are plenty of nazis fighting for kiev and swedish nazis also are helping them btw.



No cos Russians was not considered to be above anyone and minorities was all equal

Proof, please. Only one picture will do. Of course, you may find it difficult to find one because the so-called incident took place on a square that doesn't exist.

Jas
01-10-2014, 09:43
Proof, please. Only one picture will do. Of course, you may find it difficult to find one because the so-called incident took place on a square that doesn't exist.

Ure a liar. It was on Russian tv and everyone knows about it cos this is exactly what Nazis do. It's totally believable. They rape and murder in the villages. This is very clear.

Here is the interview same what I saw on Channel 1.
http://slavyangrad.org/2014/08/09/part-i-investigating-the-slavyansk-cruicifiction/

Everytime I got to deal with these fcking Nazis I just feel like anger tearing inside me chest somehow. And that's the reaction of someone what's got low blood pressure.
These Nazis are terrible, just pure evil and cut from the same cloth as ISIS. Just as bad are those what are defending them.

fenrir
01-10-2014, 13:09
Ure a liar. It was on Russian tv and everyone knows about it cos this is exactly what Nazis do. It's totally believable. They rape and murder in the villages. This is very clear.

Here is the interview same what I saw on Channel 1.
http://slavyangrad.org/2014/08/09/part-i-investigating-the-slavyansk-cruicifiction/

Interviews are pointless. Interviewees can say whatever they want and not have to back it up. Where are your pictures of the actual 'event?' There were even pictures of the BUK that most probably shot down the Malaysian airline because many, if not most, peolple have cameras or mobiles with camera functions.

Jas
01-10-2014, 13:13
Interviews are pointless. Interviewees can say whatever they want and not have to back it up. Where are your pictures of the actual 'event?' There were even pictures of the BUK that most probably shot down the Malaysian airline because many, if not most, peolple have cameras or mobiles with camera functions.

Er, no one knows who shot down the plane and there shud be a investigation. If ure trying to prove that Nazis are not evil- u are totally wasting ure time. Anyhow, this discussion is over and u need to chain up ure big mouth cos we got no interest in anything what ure telling. Goodbye.

fenrir
01-10-2014, 16:33
Er, no one knows who shot down the plane and there shud be a investigation. If ure trying to prove that Nazis are not evil- u are totally wasting ure time. Anyhow, this discussion is over and u need to chain up ure big mouth cos we got no interest in anything what ure telling. Goodbye.

Who is 'we' and who made you the collective speaker for anyone?

AstarD
01-10-2014, 16:39
Who is 'we' and who made you the collective speaker for anyone?

Psssst, fenrir. It's the voices in her head that elected her.

Armoured
01-10-2014, 16:58
Psssst, fenrir. It's the voices in her head that elected her.

Could we ask them to start with spelling and logic before moving on to speaking for others?