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Judge
17-09-2014, 09:21
Jas the other day mentioned how fair Sweden is towards immigration, it looks like many Swedes weren't too happy with the immigration policy of the last government.
So far this year, we have seen the rise of an anti-EU/anti-immigration movement in countries like the UK, France and even Germany, and now far-right parties making gains in Sweden...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29202793

They see themselves as the kingmakers of Swedish politics and, after polling 13% in national elections, the far-right Sweden Democrats are now difficult for mainstream parties to ignore.

Their rise to third place in the polls comes despite a string of pre-election scandals.

One local candidate stood down after a picture emerged of her wearing a swastika armband.

Another was highlighted for posting racist and anti-immigrant comments online.

And yet, the revelations appear to have had little obvious effect on voters, even if the mainstream parties do not want anything to do with the party.

They are led by the dapper and clean-cut Jimmie Akesson, 35.

Voters also seemed unperturbed by the news that he has gambled half a million kronor (43,000; 54,000 euros; $70,000) online.

"Every crisis the party gets into Mr Akesson handles very efficiently," says Ulf Bjereld, professor of political science at the University of Gothenburg, who sees him as a very skilful politician, if uncharismatic.

Any political party would struggle to fend off accusations of racism, he told the BBC, but the party leader simply took them off the list and said they were not welcome.

They will now occupy 49 seats in Sweden's 349-seat parliament.

penka
17-09-2014, 11:52
SD's success is hardly surprising. Even the most tolerant and non-conflict Swedes got enough of massive quantities of migrants that enjoy the benefits whilst it becomes increasingly difficult for the regular taxpayers who found themselves in a difficult situation to get any financial and otherwise support from the state. Increase of criminality is not something to rejoice over, either.

An interesting fact: There are not so few "new Swedes" of various cultural backgrounds that are members of the SD party.

JanC
17-09-2014, 12:20
Most European countries have anti-immigration parties that poll a lot better than 13% so the general point about Sweden still stands I think.

It's tricky to find a balance between providing a fair safety net and attracting too many people looking for a free lunch. Many EU countries need immigration from a demographic point of view, the hard part is attracting the right kind of people without being overly discriminating.

Fantastika
17-09-2014, 21:59
Jas the other day mentioned how fair Sweden is towards immigration, it looks like many Swedes weren't too happy with the immigration policy of the last government.
So far this year, we have seen the rise of an anti-EU/anti-immigration movement in countries like the UK, France and even Germany, and now far-right parties making gains in Sweden...


I didn't see a word of this on Google "news" - it was entirely "Left wing will win in Sweden," "The Left makes a Comeback!" "Sweden embraces Leftist Politicians," etc." Though I only read the headlines, the media was implying the US should emulate Sweden, we can now validate politicians who promote high taxes, high spending and intrusive regulations.

penka
18-09-2014, 10:49
Most European countries have anti-immigration parties that poll a lot better than 13% so the general point about Sweden still stands I think.

It's tricky to find a balance between providing a fair safety net and attracting too many people looking for a free lunch. Many EU countries need immigration from a demographic point of view, the hard part is attracting the right kind of people without being overly discriminating.

All that is very true and correct. In theory.

Just a few years ago SD were not even in the parliament and look now.

The bulk of immigrants are not the qualified specialists but something very different. The internal problem no-one talks about: If an immigrant doesn't come from Europe/US and was not originally invited to work, their education will not be counted with 90% probability, whether one has been a math professor or a doctor in their homeland. Internal Swedish joke: Sweden is a country with a highest percentage of academics sweeping office floors.

Whilst the immigrants from, say, Slavic countries tend to come one/with a spouse/child, immigrants from the Muslim countries tend to come with an extended family/ file for the unification of the family, which is granted. Whilst the middle aged people will probably get a job, their multiple and elderly aunts, cousins, etc will rely on the benefits. People from the Slavic countries really need a good amount of luck to be allowed to bring say, a parent, into the country.

So, even without going into the depths of criminality among the migrants vs natives, this policy creates friction between immigrants of different ethnic/cultural backgrounds and general financial strain on the taxpayers who feel injustice. Through in facts, stir in propaganda and the largely populistic slogans of the ultra-right wing suddenly become very attractive.

The election campaign of the leading party "Open your hearts - we will have more migrants and that will cost" did not help.

Fantastika
18-09-2014, 11:20
I don't think they are "Far-Right Swedes," I think they are normal human beings.

I go to a job interview, and the director of this small company, the person interviewing me, tells me he is an immigrant from Mexico, he is Hispanic, and he was awarded this face-recognition contract (to supply this software to the federal government) BECAUSE he was a Hispanic. I know all about this contract - it was a Section 8(a) contract, as are all fed. gov. small business contracts.

Serction 8(a) - Minorities are encouraged to apply for this contract - all minorities (hispanics, blacks, women) are considered first, for the award, then, if there are no qualified applicants for the contract among minorities, whites are considered.

So, an immigrant to my country was awarded the contract, not me, a native American. And he got the contract because of his skin color and his ethnicity. In other words, he got the contract because the contract was awarded in an anti-American RACIST manner. And if I dare to call attention to this racist "Affirmative Action" system, I am labeled a racist.

I don't have any problem with anybody, in any country, resisting this *%&$^#@*& system. They are just normal people reacting normally to being victims of politically correct bigotry.

JanC
18-09-2014, 12:08
So, an immigrant to my country was awarded the contract, not me, a native American.

You're a native American? Not a descendant of European immigrants whose arrival led to an 80% decline of the indigenous population?

Jas
18-09-2014, 16:17
Judge, first, thabks for posting this. What Penka is not telling u is that this is a protest vote kind of like ukip and that it is against the establishment. There are issues in sweden like tax and jobs and especially high cost of flats in urban areas. But this has nothing really to do with immigrants, let alone muslims. So the reality is the sd is a protest vote and that there is NO sudden abandonment of all the brilliant values of inclusion and social justice what makes sweden a great place to live. We all know that the sd's are fascists-but thats very different from telling that their voters are-some are, but its a tiny minority within a minority.
Before people start thinking swedish inclusion politics are dead, remember that the model what sweden offers not only works here but is getting copied in scotland.
The best way to handle the far right is to remember they are a tiny minority of extremists what need to get shut down legally and pushed out.
Penka is twisting stuff and stuff like muslim families being big is a plus point for swedens old population. So dont believe the nazis got any real support.

Penka left out the bit were thousands of anti nazis are protesting, including......

Jas
18-09-2014, 16:31
http://youtu.be/kuXII8o2tIQ



gothenburg rises up against nazis.

penka
18-09-2014, 16:55
Judge, first, thabks for posting this. What Penka is not telling u is that this is a protest vote kind of like ukip and that it is against the establishment. There are issues in sweden like tax and jobs and especially high cost of flats in urban areas. But this has nothing really to do with immigrants, let alone muslims. So the reality is the sd is a protest vote and that there is NO sudden abandonment of all the brilliant values of inclusion and social justice what makes sweden a great place to live. We all know that the sd's are fascists-but thats very different from telling that their voters are-some are, but its a tiny minority within a minority.
Before people start thinking swedish inclusion politics are dead, remember that the model what sweden offers not only works here but is getting copied in scotland.
The best way to handle the far right is to remember they are a tiny minority of extremists what need to get shut down legally and pushed out.
Penka is twisting stuff and stuff like muslim families being big is a plus point for swedens old population. So dont believe the nazis got any real support.

Penka left out the bit were thousands of anti nazis are protesting, including......

You are mixing up Svenskarnas Parti with Sverige Demokraterna, whilst I am referring to the latter.

Ill-concieved racist on the site comes from you, Jas, but for the obvious reasons you fail to notice that.

Jas
18-09-2014, 17:27
You are mixing up Svenskarnas Parti with Sverige Demokraterna, whilst I am referring to the latter.

Ill-concieved racist on the site comes from you, Jas, but for the obvious reasons you fail to notice that.

Penka, jimmie akessons bunch of nazis are in the sverigedemokaterna as in stoopid blue flag with snowflakes and a hitler fan in big glasses and a suit. Ure the racist here and ure trying to do the impossible by claiming jimmie and his mob are just liberal nazis. I am starting to kind of like really dislike u btw cos its clear u got real chip on ure shoulder. The sds got no real support, its a protest vote. Get it now?

penka
18-09-2014, 18:31
Penka, jimmie akessons bunch of nazis are in the sverigedemokaterna as in stoopid blue flag with snowflakes and a hitler fan in big glasses and a suit. Ure the racist here and ure trying to do the impossible by claiming jimmie and his mob are just liberal nazis. I am starting to kind of like really dislike u btw cos its clear u got real chip on ure shoulder. The sds got no real support, its a protest vote. Get it now?

Jas, you are living off my tax money.

Whilst I had to half-carry my second (very Swedish! and very much a taxpayer) husband to a taxi (!!!!!!!) because the system doesn't have enough money for the ambulances for everyone.
My very Swedish friend's daughter, a single mother with two underaged children and a whiplash damage, who must take painkillers to be able to function is forced to work as she is considered not sick enough to get any form of state compensation.
My another very Swedish friend died, whilst he had to keep working despite the doctors' advice because his very Swedish wife, who was working since the age of 16 did not work up a pension that could cover even the monthly costs for a cat food.
And I got mouths to feed.

You steal from your aunt and are too lazy to work, lamenting of the hardships of your life.

You expect me to bother what you think of me?

Jas
18-09-2014, 19:09
Jas, you are living off my tax money.

Whilst I had to half-carry my second (very Swedish! and very much a taxpayer) husband to a taxi (!!!!!!!) because the system doesn't have enough money for the ambulances for everyone.
My very Swedish friend's daughter, a single mother with two underaged children and a whiplash damage, who must take painkillers to be able to function is forced to work as she is considered not sick enough to get any form of state compensation.
My another very Swedish friend died, whilst he had to keep working despite the doctors' advice because his very Swedish wife, who was working since the age of 16 did not work up a pension that could cover even the monthly costs for a cat food.
And I got mouths to feed.

You steal from your aunt and are too lazy to work, lamenting of the hardships of your life.

You expect me to bother what you think of me?


Right, there are serious issues in sweden and it's horrible to think someone whats sick cant get helped. Now u told ure side can I tell mine also? I no a kurdish girl what got gang raped in eastern turkey and got to sweden on a forged passport: it took her months to be able to start to function normally again but now she can. I know a afghan girl what fled first to ukraine and was in a camp for 18 months dodging gangs what was promisin to take girls to germany but was charging them thousands of dollars to dump them instead in brothels in istanbul-she got lucky when the austrian police what was in muldova tracking all this rescued her. I know me very best friend from bonsnia what nearly died when the serbians rocketed a market and left her bleeding in the gutter.
Penka, all of these personages got a chance to live again cos of sweden and they got swedish passports now. Why are u just attacking this? Why are u blaming us for stuff instead of working together to put it write? Ure just offering nothing except hate and division and u just learned nothing penka about living in a liberal democracy. I feel sorry for u.

Jas
18-09-2014, 19:16
Penka, u keep writing "very Swedish" meaning what? Me friends what I tild about are swedish also and think in more of a swedish way than u will ever do in like a zillion years. Only reason ure getting away with this is cos ure white. U shud be ashamed of ure views. Stop blaming innocent people and stop looking for scapegoats. Ure like someone from a 19th century russoan village just blaming jews for whatever. Thats ure mentality and it's anything but swedish.
fascistlies_@thevery.unswedishpenka

penka
18-09-2014, 20:04
Right, there are serious issues in sweden and it's horrible to think someone whats sick cant get helped. Now u told ure side can I tell mine also? I no a kurdish girl what got gang raped in eastern turkey and got to sweden on a forged passport: it took her months to be able to start to function normally again but now she can. I know a afghan girl what fled first to ukraine and was in a camp for 18 months dodging gangs what was promisin to take girls to germany but was charging them thousands of dollars to dump them instead in brothels in istanbul-she got lucky when the austrian police what was in muldova tracking all this rescued her. I know me very best friend from bonsnia what nearly died when the serbians rocketed a market and left her bleeding in the gutter.
Penka, all of these personages got a chance to live again cos of sweden and they got swedish passports now. Why are u just attacking this? Why are u blaming us for stuff instead of working together to put it write? Ure just offering nothing except hate and division and u just learned nothing penka about living in a liberal democracy. I feel sorry for u.

Everyone got a right to a new chance. If they are willing to take and use it productively. If the concept of a chance translates into plain leaching on a system, poorly constructed, you should turn to Abramovitch or Gates for sympathy.

bydand
18-09-2014, 20:53
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Uncle Wally
18-09-2014, 21:42
Penka, u keep writing "very Swedish" meaning what? Me friends what I tild about are swedish also and think in more of a swedish way than u will ever do in like a zillion years. Only reason ure getting away with this is cos ure white. U shud be ashamed of ure views. Stop blaming innocent people and stop looking for scapegoats. Ure like someone from a 19th century russoan village just blaming jews for whatever. Thats ure mentality and it's anything but swedish.
fascistlies_@thevery.unswedishpenka


Weren't you the one who got the teacher kicked out of your class because he was a he? Very Swedish of you.

Jas
18-09-2014, 21:57
Everyone got a right to a new chance. If they are willing to take and use it productively. If the concept of a chance translates into plain leaching on a system, poorly constructed, you should turn to Abramovitch or Gates for sympathy.

The idea that ure paying for immigrants is a joke, really. Immigrants are putting in more than they are taking. Btw, to work I am supposed to go to kiruna and thats the magadan of sweden, worse even than sakha so if thats the best offer what u get no I wud rather go back to kazan.

Jas
18-09-2014, 21:59
Weren't you the one who got the teacher kicked out of your class because he was a he? Very Swedish of you.

Er, sweden means respecting everyone and our rights. We wanted to study just alone and it was everyone, not only me what wanted to be with mira.

penka
18-09-2014, 22:10
The idea that ure paying for immigrants is a joke, really. Immigrants are putting in more than they are taking. Btw, to work I am supposed to go to kiruna and thats the magadan of sweden, worse even than sakha so if thats the best offer what u get no I wud rather go back to kazan.

Some immigrants do put in, no question. I pay taxes, sweetheart. And pass the certain sum I pay so much, I start to wonder why the heck do I work if I have to give away the bulk of it, when a person in need cannot get an ambulance or a sick single mother is forced to work whilst there are some people around that get it all.

Norrland? They got extremely harsh climate there, military bases and mines. And real, no bulls**t people. They don't appreciate whining about the hardships of life. You won't like it there.

penka
18-09-2014, 22:11
Er, sweden means respecting everyone and our rights. We wanted to study just alone and it was everyone, not only me what wanted to be with mira.

Khaliphat, you said?....

Jas
18-09-2014, 22:27
Khaliphat, you said?....

Er, is it u or me whats always calling for the protection of minorities against jihadi violence.?
Really weird and twisted how u turn just wanting mira to be the teacher into something political. Whatever.
And yeah, I got no intention of going to kiruna also.
Its terrible ure paying taxes and not getting proper services and I understand u shud be angry also but lashing out at immigrants just is missing the point. Blame the politicians, not poor immigrants what are paying the same taxes u do and get even worse services than u do for sure.

Jas
18-09-2014, 22:36
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So with all the ugliness on this thread I thought I wud post something beautiful. This is from oblivion movie.

Judge
04-12-2014, 00:47
A bump for this thread....

It looks like the title of ''the kingmakers of Swedish politics'' is true..



Sweden's left-of-centre Prime Minister Stefan Lofven says he will call snap elections after his minority government lost a budget vote less than three months after coming to power.

He said a new poll would take place on 22 March.

The government failed to push its budget through parliament, when the far-right Sweden Democrats sided with the opposition.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30306992