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SalTheReturn
04-02-2008, 10:44
for closing my thread about terrorist strategies, there are whole books written about that but this cannot be discussed on a public forum

once again not because of the mods but because of users too blind (especially foreigners with, i suppose, no knowledge of russia) to take a fact in an objective manner, analyse and discuss it

they have to put their bloody bigot moral in that

sorry if i find shocking that the cecenians who fled Budannovsk to reach Daghestan took in between the hostages 16 journalists and (listen listen) 9 Duma representatives

this put 9/11 to shame

then i just asked russians which one of those terrorist attacks shocked them more and this is a legitimate question in fact one guy reply and that was a good start...

disappointed

Guest
04-02-2008, 11:00
It is the way you wrote that was shocking: Trying to make a "top 10" of the last terrorist attacks in Russia! No attack is more "shocking" than another, both killed civilians, including old people and kids.

Formulate differently and for sure people will discuss about it. And I will also, for sure!

jumatre
04-02-2008, 11:41
dear Sal,
I dont know if you mean me with the foreigners with no knowledge of Russia (in fact I have already some experience and knowledge), but sincerely I will tell you once again that I did not agree with the form you offered your thread. I do fully agree with guest, that a different formula might have been understood on a different, more positive way.
As I come from a country which is suffering one kind of terrorism, I feel that citizens of other countries with the same problem (i.e. Russia) may react on a very sensitive way. I can discuss with you about the reasons why a group or whatever decides to go underground to fight for their rights or values, but I will never discuss about the strategical value of terrorist actions, because I dont see any value in them.

Hope you dont missunderstand me this time - enjoy your week

SalTheReturn
04-02-2008, 13:35
Guest is usually a very sharp-tongued individual who hates bigots so wonder why it is taking few wrong words that way. disappointing.

Jumatre, I am sorry but i do not want to discuss if checenyans were right or wrong because to me it is clear their action was wrong

i want to discuss what terrorist attacks has been the most cleverly planned and denote the highest degree of intelligence



i realy wonder and maybe russians can reply:
how those people managed to reach Daghestan and escape? how they took 9duma repr?

pjw
04-02-2008, 14:11
Guest is usually a very sharp-tongued individual who hates bigots so wonder why it is taking few wrong words that way. disappointing.

Jumatre, I am sorry but i do not want to discuss if checenyans were right or wrong because to me it is clear their action was wrong

i want to discuss what terrorist attacks has been the most cleverly planned and denote the highest degree of intelligence



i realy wonder and maybe russians can reply:
how those people managed to reach Daghestan and escape? how they took 9duma repr?

Youīre right Sal. These attacks are happening and should be discussed. But not like this.

I believe you made an honest mistake. I hope you didnīt intend to start playing games. The word "impressive" sent the thread in a direction you perhaps hadnīt planned. It has two meanings. After describing terrorist attacks like this, the topic could no longer be discussed in an objective way.

As a foreigner you gotta show more respect and sensitivity. Otherwise you just create chaos and stir up hate. Surely you understand this. If not, time to learn it now please!

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Clean32
04-02-2008, 15:18
PJW i agree with you and guest 100%
unfortunatly i tend to think that Sal intended to ceate conflict, as is his nature to do so


Youīre right Sal. These attacks are happening and should be discussed. But not like this.

I believe you made an honest mistake. I hope you didnīt intend to start playing games. The word "impressive" sent the thread in a direction you perhaps hadnīt planned. It has two meanings. After describing terrorist attacks like this, the topic could no longer be discussed in an objective way.

As a foreigner you gotta show more respect and sensitivity. Otherwise you just create chaos and stir up hate. Surely you understand this. If not, time to learn it now please!

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SalTheReturn
04-02-2008, 15:41
PJW i agree with you and guest 100%
unfortunatly i tend to think that Sal intended to ceate conflict, as is his nature to do so

Clean you love history and you have always seemed very prepared on that.
History can also imply the strategical analysis of a fact.
You know I am not here to joy because people got killed.

Can you believe these people took 9duma repr and made it to Daghestan?
And in Daghestan apparently they were welcomed as national heroes.

I also like to know about dictators.
Kapuscinsky (greatest polish journalist ever) portrays Stalin as a sort of genius being able to discuss about everything, linguistic, agrarial sciences, etc...
he says that dictators have always boasted enormous cleverness, what a shame they were clever in the wrong way.

My favourite living dictator is currently KimJong: 20.000dvds whilst north korean people are starving.

It is also interesting how dictators end up being actually respected by large share of their citizens.

jumatre
04-02-2008, 15:44
i want to discuss what terrorist attacks has been the most cleverly planned and denote the highest degree of intelligence



Sal, if you ask or wish to discuss the most cleverly planned terrorist attack but with the lowest degree of intelligence, I would tip on the US Invasion of Iraq...:devil:

Clean32
04-02-2008, 15:57
What you have now posted has no relationship to your first sick post.

But to answer this post it’s quite simple

1 create fear, to achieve unity
2 create hardship to achieve jealousness
3 provide savour

than say how great we all are,
It hasn’t changed since Babylonian times




Clean you love history and you have always seemed very prepared on that.
History can also imply the strategical analysis of a fact.
You know I am not here to joy because people got killed.

Can you believe these people took 9duma repr and made it to Daghestan?
And in Daghestan apparently they were welcomed as national heroes.

I also like to know about dictators.
Kapuscinsky (greatest polish journalist ever) portrays Stalin as a sort of genius being able to discuss about everything, linguistic, agrarial sciences, etc...
he says that dictators have always boasted enormous cleverness, what a shame they were clever in the wrong way.

My favourite living dictator is currently KimJong: 20.000dvds whilst north korean people are starving.

It is also interesting how dictators end up being actually respected by large share of their citizens.

Guest
04-02-2008, 18:23
Sal, if you ask or wish to discuss the most cleverly planned terrorist attack but with the lowest degree of intelligence, I would tip on the US Invasion of Iraq...:devil:


Well, it HAD TO BE DONE. Maybe differently, but it is always easy to say this AFTER. And I really think we can say "thank you" to Bush to have done the dirty job.

Strange that I say this, right? But this opinion is shared by a lot of RF officials, and not the smallest.

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jumatre
04-02-2008, 18:47
Well, it HAD TO BE DONE. Maybe differently, but it is always easy to say this AFTER. And I really think we can say "thank you" to Bush to have done the dirty job.

Strange that I say this, right? But this opinion is shared by a lot of RF officials, and not the smallest.

_

There is nothing to argue about... you feel the obligation to say "thank you, Mr. Bush", but I never heard that "a lot of RF officials (and not the smallest!!!!)" shared this opinion.
I am sure you are in possession of all the documentation stating that even Mr. Putin was calling Mr. Bush expressing his gratitude, but it is hard to believe.
Nevertheless in my modest opinion this was, and still is, some kind of state terror... And of course we will not discuss about intelligence...

Guest
04-02-2008, 19:16
Bush and Putin are sharing a few global views on the "general threats" of today's world, and are probably the only Presidents to really understand where the real danger today is.

There are the official statements, and there is the job that is done, for example through exchanges between the intelligence services. The real position of countries should be seen here and not in the UNO talks.




There is nothing to argue about... you feel the obligation to say "thank you, Mr. Bush", but I never heard that "a lot of RF officials (and not the smallest!!!!)" shared this opinion.
I am sure you are in possession of all the documentation stating that even Mr. Putin was calling Mr. Bush expressing his gratitude, but it is hard to believe.
Nevertheless in my modest opinion this was, and still is, some kind of state terror... And of course we will not discuss about intelligence...

jumatre
04-02-2008, 20:01
I accept your point of view, but cannot share it - of course governments (not single persons) must share global views. In case of Iraq I must say that the exchange of intelligence between the services was either very poor or the services themselves were not very intelligent...
Now that everybody knows for sure that there was no reason for the terrorist attack on Iraq, we must ask ourselves in whose hands we are depositing our hope - Russia? yes - a strong and self confident president has "created" a strong and self-confident nation, but USA? a weak and not very intelligent president, driven by industrial and economical gurus has created a lot of trouble and antipathy against himself and his nation. This might be the difference.

feodor24
04-02-2008, 20:17
Well, it HAD TO BE DONE. Maybe differently, but it is always easy to say this AFTER. And I really think we can say "thank you" to Bush to have done the dirty job.

Strange that I say this, right? But this opinion is shared by a lot of RF officials, and not the smallest.

_

That's what I was talking about in my last message on that closed thread.

If Bush won't stop them in Iraq and Afganistan when they're still weak enough to be terminated, then sooner or later they'll capture all the world coz all they can do is borning millions of children and arming them with AK-47 and explosive belts u know.

I think that Sal's only mistake is making a "TOP 10". But he don't try to justify all these bustards u know, so don't punch him so much.

Guest
04-02-2008, 20:20
I accept your point of view, but cannot share it - of course governments (not single persons) must share global views. In case of Iraq I must say that the exchange of intelligence between the services was either very poor or the services themselves were not very intelligent...

Well, apart playing on the word "intelligence", I can tell you that the "services" exchanged lots of informations, much more really that it would have been if they would have followed the "official positions" of both countries.




Now that everybody knows for sure that there was no reason for the terrorist attack on Iraq, we must ask ourselves in whose hands we are depositing our hope - Russia? yes - a strong and self confident president has "created" a strong and self-confident nation, but USA? a weak and not very intelligent president, driven by industrial and economical gurus has created a lot of trouble and antipathy against himself and his nation. This might be the difference.


I don't share your expression "terrorist attack on Iraq". It was a war, not a terrorist attack. Terrorists target innocent people, they generally donot attack the army, police etc. Too dangerous! They prefer send washed-brain people to make them explode among civilians, and it is what we see today in Iraq - But NOT from the US side!

The US made of course civilian deads, as during all wars. The difference is that US army tried to limit the civilian deaths, as the terrorist at the opposite try to make the maximum civilian deaths.

Now, you are right to say that the result of this war is that the USA got a negative opinion quite everywhere. But do you think it is a real problem for the USA? Taking hard measures usually do NOT make you popular! And despite all what can be read here and there, the US are still the first power in the world, INCLUDING on the economical aspect. Their debt? Yes, and what? Of course better to live without debt, but who does apart Russia?! The USD loss? That is a good thing for the US exportations, at least for now! Look at the bad face of EU leaders when they speak about the "strength" of EVRO!

About antipathy against Bush, you know I am not sure that he wouldn't be re-elected if he could run the race once more! Anyway US presidents are always 50/50, so there are quite always often a majority unhappy of them. And once more, hard decisions never make people popular, at least in the very short time when they TAKE the decisions.

I am Russian, and of course in case of a major "problem" with the US, I will support my country. NO doubt about it. But that doesn't make me an automatic "anti-american", and if necessary I would fight against the USA but would respect them in the same time.

Korotky Gennady
04-02-2008, 20:38
Sal, every terrorists atacks in the past shocked me and every this attack only showed as much childish and as much thoughtless the policy of our Kremlin's authorities was... (((;

Korotky Gennady
04-02-2008, 20:40
I can't help me not to say that they are just morons...

Korotky Gennady
04-02-2008, 20:45
One time when i went home from uni... the girl suicide-bomber blasted herself just next to the bus stop in front of the doors of Rizchkai metrostation where i usually took a bus... It about half hour or so... after i had been there when i had took the bus.

Korotky Gennady
04-02-2008, 20:53
i realy wonder and maybe russians can reply:
how those people managed to reach Daghestan and escape? how they took 9duma repr?


Sal, it's clear as in the sunny day it is.. it all is becoz of the morons which stuffed with themselves Kremlin now...

pjw
05-02-2008, 01:52
That's what I was talking about in my last message on that closed thread.

If Bush won't stop them in Iraq and Afganistan when they're still weak enough to be terminated, then sooner or later they'll capture all the world coz all they can do is borning millions of children and arming them with AK-47 and explosive belts u know.

I think that Sal's only mistake is making a "TOP 10". But he don't try to justify all these bustards u know, so don't punch him so much.

Feodor, I can see what you want. I can spot your political slant. Kill Muslims because they only want trouble. We need more AKs than the ENEMY! Pathetic. Itīs not a religious war you wanna win!

Sal needs to BE PINNED DOWN and to know he was TOTALLY OUT OF ORDER how he went on about this. If youīre ANTI-ISLAMIST, Feodor, I just think thatīs not the topic here. Start your own thread, Feodor, maybe you get lots of support. Not all Muslims are tourists, sorry dude..... terrorists man

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pjw
05-02-2008, 02:30
Be honest now, Sal. Now I can see you are bullshitting man.

Do you really think I ask my friends in Israel.....which were the best camps? The best food? The kindest guards? I donīt think youīre an idiot, Sal. Are you? Youīre perhaps out of your f.ucking mind and if so, Iīm watching you.

Or in Germany, where I live ten years....I donīt ask people.....Do you like Adol-....... Sorry I canīt say the moth.er.fuc.kerīs name cos I donīt like him. Donīt ask it man.You gotta learn these things. Of course you know. Of course youīre winding people up. Iīve got your number friend. Not cool Sal. Everyone knowīs itīs not cool......this thread!

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SalTheReturn
06-02-2008, 23:54
Be honest now, Sal. Now I can see you are bullshitting man.

Do you really think I ask my friends in Israel.....which were the best camps? The best food? The kindest guards? I donīt think youīre an idiot, Sal. Are you? Youīre perhaps out of your f.ucking mind and if so, Iīm watching you.

Or in Germany, where I live ten years....I donīt ask people.....Do you like Adol-....... Sorry I canīt say the moth.er.fuc.kerīs name cos I donīt like him. Donīt ask it man.You gotta learn these things. Of course you know. Of course youīre winding people up. Iīve got your number friend. Not cool Sal. Everyone knowīs itīs not cool......this thread!

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my thread was hijacked, thanks

you see how people discuss US terrorism? should i feel offended if american?

i want to discuss terrorism tecnically, thats all

elis
07-02-2008, 00:20
Be honest now, Sal. Now I can see you are bullshitting man.

Do you really think I ask my friends in Israel.....which were the best camps? The best food? The kindest guards? I donīt think youīre an idiot, Sal. Are you? Youīre perhaps out of your f.ucking mind and if so, Iīm watching you.

Or in Germany, where I live ten years....I donīt ask people.....Do you like Adol-....... Sorry I canīt say the moth.er.fuc.kerīs name cos I donīt like him. Donīt ask it man.You gotta learn these things. Of course you know. Of course youīre winding people up. Iīve got your number friend. Not cool Sal. Everyone knowīs itīs not cool......this thread!

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If we all know it's a "winding people up" game, why do we play?

And, Sal...do you think this is best place to discuss the "technicalities of terrorism"? I'm sure there are many other places on the web where you could find more eager conversationalists for such a topic.

SalTheReturn
07-02-2008, 01:10
If we all know it's a "winding people up" game, why do we play?

And, Sal...do you think this is best place to discuss the "technicalities of terrorism"? I'm sure there are many other places on the web where you could find more eager conversationalists for such a topic.

Hi, it is not a wind-up at all.

I am currently researching nationalist movements in Russia and so coming across the issue of Chechnyas terrorism on a regular basis.

As easy as that.

Should you (or some others) feel like it is a wind-up it is not my bizness at all.

Take care

Sal

pjw
07-02-2008, 03:20
Hi, it is not a wind-up at all.

I am currently researching nationalist movements in Russia and so coming across the issue of Chechnyas terrorism on a regular basis.

As easy as that.

Should you (or some others) feel like it is a wind-up it is not my bizness at all.

Take care

Sal
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:rasta:Hey Sal dude man:rasta:
:rasta:Firstly sorry I got a bit fired-up the other night, but it gets me mad when I see you deliberately shaking up the forum. Just leave it man. Iīm afraid itīs not gonna work.:rasta:

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