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Benedikt
24-05-2014, 14:12
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-iran-billionaire-executed-over-2-6b-fraud-043806473.html

now why can't -others- do the same. and maybe start back here? and return the money to the state coffers. problem though -who controls the controllers-?

annasophia
24-05-2014, 14:53
Of course benedikt, I share your dislike and dismay for fraudsters like this. Still I can't agree they should be executed.....

Wouldn't it be better if they were sentenced to repay the defrauded, and live in penury and disgrace for the rest of their days?

Benedikt
24-05-2014, 16:05
Of course benedikt, I share your dislike and dismay for fraudsters like this. Still I can't agree they should be executed.....

Wouldn't it be better if they were sentenced to repay the defrauded, and live in penury and disgrace for the rest of their days?



otherwise they would not do it in the first place. but that is wishful hoping. yo have seen what they do with the likes of MMM mavrodi here. they make him Duma deputy and he can get on with his scam a second time. i think he did time? but where is the money? MMM is gone, but there was also MMMExtra and THAT the law just can not find....

Russian Lad
24-05-2014, 17:15
now why can't -others- do the same. and maybe start back here?

Sure we must have it too, are we any better than Iran? And to make things go quicker, why do we need court rulings for that, it is only a waste of narod's money? Imprisonment of suspicious foreigners and imprisonment for the possession of foreign currency also must be reinstituted, as well as imprisonment for truancy.
I am sure also Rusmeister will support the reinstitution of imprisonment (with confiscation?) for watching pornography - it is an ungodly act that corrupts the pristine foundation of our progressive society. That's a good way to start, there are also other measures we need urgently.

Benedikt
24-05-2014, 18:26
Sure we must have it too, are we any better than Iran? And to make things go quicker, why do we need court rulings for that, it is only a waste of narod's money? Imprisonment of suspicious foreigners and imprisonment for the possession of foreign currency also must be reinstituted, as well as imprisonment for truancy.
I am sure also Rusmeister will support the reinstitution of imprisonment (with confiscation?) for watching pornography - it is an ungodly act that corrupts the pristine foundation of our progressive society. That's a good way to start, there are also other measures we need urgently.


the article was about embezzling BILLIONS, nothing else.

Russian Lad
24-05-2014, 19:04
the article was about embezzling BILLIONS, nothing else.

We have to make a good start, don't we? Embezzling millions or thousands is ok?

Benedikt
25-05-2014, 10:36
We have to make a good start, don't we? Embezzling millions or thousands is ok?



but the whole system is wrong. you steal a loaf of bread because you are hungry you go to jail. and for quite some time.
embezzle millions, be a crook and fraud, when they catch you, you get an expensive shyster lawyer who will find and use any law that he can twist and turn around.

Capman
25-05-2014, 20:26
but the whole system is wrong. you steal a loaf of bread because you are hungry you go to jail. and for quite some time.
embezzle millions, be a crook and fraud, when they catch you, you get an expensive shyster lawyer who will find and use any law that he can twist and turn around.

Tha'ts the way the greedy lawyers made the laws ... They came up with a system that supports their greed.

rusmeister
25-05-2014, 22:22
If only everyone would be good!
But we won't. We want what we want. And too many of us place our own interests over that of others.

Score one for a state in which wealth can't buy you "justice".

Russian Lad
25-05-2014, 23:17
So, Rusmeister, will you support a law to throw me to prison for watching porn? Don't be shy, the time is ripe, offer us some really oppressive laws you have been having wet dreams about during all these years. Реализуй своё право на патриотизм.

rusmeister
26-05-2014, 05:00
So, Rusmeister, will you support a law to throw me to prison for watching porn? Don't be shy, the time is ripe, offer us some really oppressive laws you have been having wet dreams about during all these years. Реализуй своё право на патриотизм.

No, but if I were king, a person who MADE porn would be so punished. You would have great difficulty and probably expense in finding any. Good rulers know they can't change human nature, but they can and should make wickedness difficult and risky.

Russian Lad
26-05-2014, 06:01
No, but if I were king, a person who MADE porn would be so punished. You would have great difficulty and probably expense in finding any. Good rulers know they can't change human nature, but they can and should make wickedness difficult and risky.

I see you are warming up to the punishment idea, good... How shall we punish the perpetrators? Gulags or executions? And why do you want to spare me as the audience? I view it, hence I am an active participant in the vicious circle of sin and perversions that should be nipped in the bud, in the name of... well, you know the drill.


but they can and should make wickedness difficult and risky.

If we are not truly severe, a black market may prosper. So, let's be ruthless, bear this in mind.

rusmeister
26-05-2014, 12:23
I see you are warming up to the punishment idea, good... How shall we punish the perpetrators? Gulags or executions? And why do you want to spare me as the audience? I view it, hence I am an active participant in the vicious circle of sin and perversions that should be nipped in the bud, in the name of... well, you know the drill.



If we are not truly severe, a black market may prosper. So, let's be ruthless, bear this in mind.

I think evil SHOULD be suppressed. What, are you so delicate and self-contradictory that you think there should be no police force, courts or prisons? Should we discourage theft or not? If people sell stolen goods, should we punish only the original thief, or should fences or people knowingly buying such goods be punished?
Anything we think wrong and destructive for society ought to be suppressed, including black markets of those things. What are you pretending to be shocked if not merely to mock?

Russian Lad
26-05-2014, 23:25
I think evil SHOULD be suppressed. What, are you so delicate and self-contradictory that you think there should be no police force, courts or prisons? Should we discourage theft or not? If people sell stolen goods, should we punish only the original thief, or should fences or people knowingly buying such goods be punished?
Anything we think wrong and destructive for society ought to be suppressed, including black markets of those things. What are you pretending to be shocked if not merely to mock?

Let me explain. All I am trying to ask you is what oppressive measures you are willing to suggest now that a window of opportunity has temporarily opened rather wide (in addition to the existing traditional ones of course, some of which may be justified and existing in any civilized country, as opposed to pariah states like Iran). I am curious as to how far people like you are willing to go and what sort of a manure-filled cesspool my country is going to look like exactly from now on thanks to your efforts. Dealing with feces is never pleasant, but I have to because it may affect my livelihood in the future (sigh). Frankly, like a year ago I sincerely thought it could not get any worse than what there was. It looks I was mistaken.