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Benedikt
12-05-2014, 04:08
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/us-court-lifts-ban-on-russian-rocket-engine-buys/499839.html

what a bunch of prostitutes, ban and sanction what is convenient for them and what is useful or needed, well, will be exempted.
let them use a trampoline to get their astronauts to the space station, or the moon or mars or wherever.
but one can say that also from others ( gas pipeline to the EU...).

a few days ago i was watching a film about the cccp moon program and the completely new rocket engines the Russian engineers constructed. it was the -father of the cccp space program- Korolov(sp?). but he unexpectedly died after routine surgery and the space program fell to pieces, the Americans were first on the moon and the cccp moon program was abandoned. the engineers were told by the ZK to destroy all rocket engines. but one guy hid about 60 engines in Samara. story goes then,LockheedMartin guys heard of it, come to Russia and are dumbfounded what they see. something the US engineers though never could be done and was actually abandoned in the USA as impossible to do and by far to dangerous.
Though after test firing one engine they find, together with the original,now old, Russian engineer team at Cape Kennedy space center, after being some 20 years mothballed, the engine performs just fine. and the USA,though it is not NASA, will buy all engines. and as we know they have. as they admit in the film at the end, the USA has not the technology,knowledge and manpower to construct these rocket engines.
a video definitely well worth watching.

FatAndy
12-05-2014, 09:43
Political prostitution is usual. Profit is above all. KAPITALIZOM!

Judge
12-05-2014, 10:44
Funny, and if Russia stopped supplying these rockets, the US would turn it around and blame Russia for getting in the way of future space exploration for mankind....and many will believe them...

Judge
12-05-2014, 10:49
Political prostitution is usual. Profit is above all. KAPITALIZOM!

Russia should charge more, like triple the price...

FatAndy
12-05-2014, 11:06
Russia should charge more, like triple the price...
Contracts usually have terms and conditions, it's lawyer's job to workaround ;)

Judge
12-05-2014, 11:10
Contracts usually have terms and conditions, it's lawyer's job to workaround ;)

These contracts didn't mean much when the sanctions were issued...Russia could use this excuse..:idea:

Benedikt
12-05-2014, 14:34
These contracts didn't mean much when the sanctions were issued...Russia could use this excuse..:idea:



because the USA has already bought and paid for engines that will keep the USA in space for 2 years. the Space lobby went immediately into overdrive when they heard about it,LockheedMartin looks after her interest. after all they can't buy trampolines to get the Astronauts out into space,or to the moon or to mars.

fenrir
12-05-2014, 20:39
the Americans were first on the moon and the cccp moon program was abandoned.

Don't ever forget that nice fact.

Benedikt
13-05-2014, 06:16
Don't ever forget that nice fact.



there are conspiracy claims that it was a fake and the US was never on the
moon.:snoring:?
Each side claims they have proof. so be it. one thing is for sure. I was not up there...:tongue:

bydand
13-05-2014, 08:29
I think you're a bit mixed up Ben. It was Russia (some politicians?) talking about banning the sale; "let them use a trampoline". Guess they decided they need the money.

Benedikt
13-05-2014, 17:56
I think you're a bit mixed up Ben. It was Russia (some politicians?) talking about banning the sale; "let them use a trampoline". Guess they decided they need the money.



it was the US who imposed sanctions.also on the rocket engines. and only a few days later they found out in the Senate or wherever, that whoever bought the engine(Lockheed Martin?) had already enough for 2 years and paid for. don't know though if they are still in Samara or delivered already.
And a Russian penpusher was not up to date and squawked -let them use trampolines- not knowing(?) that the engines were sold already.

i read this things in my Austrian newspapers, they put then the news into archive, to get to the link or article now, i have to register and pay, which i do not care for.

Judge
14-05-2014, 08:52
because the USA has already bought and paid for engines that will keep the USA in space for 2 years. the Space lobby went immediately into overdrive when they heard about it,LockheedMartin looks after her interest. after all they can't buy trampolines to get the Astronauts out into space,or to the moon or to mars.


It looks like the US might have to get out that trampoline..



The country's deputy prime minister, Dmitry Rogozin, said Moscow would reject a US request to prolong the station's use beyond 2020, and ban Washington from using Russian-made rocket engines to launch military satellites.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/13/russia-international-space-station-doubt-ukraine-sanctions


The eggheads at NASA must be p*ssed off with Washington...

Judge
04-06-2014, 16:13
It looks like Russia's threat about the ISS worked...



MOSCOW, June 4 (RIA Novosti) - Experts from the US space agency NASA are due to arrive in Moscow in June to take part in a number of scientific panel discussions on manned moon missions, according to a director of the Russian research institute that is to host the meetings.
“A group of experts will come to the Moscow State University later in June on NASA's initiative. Our task is to bring our positions closer to each other, since our joint projects, including lunar ones, won’t work otherwise,” said Mikhail Panasyuk, who heads MSU Nuclear Physics Institute.
NASA earlier said it had to freeze cooperation with Russian space researchers following Washington’s sanctions against Russia over Ukraine, prompting Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin to suggest Americans would now have to “get their astronauts to the ISS [International Space Station] using a trampoline."
Later, Rogozin announced Moscow was not planning to use the International Space Station after 2020 and would instead re-focus its funding on more promising new space projects. In response, NASA Administrator Charles Bolden vowed the US and Russia would continue to cooperate on space missions and keep each other informed.


http://en.ria.ru/world/20140604/190344295/NASA-Experts-to-Discuss-Lunar-Missions-in-Russia-Despite.html