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TD
16-01-2008, 22:58
from gawker.com --->

Exclusive: The Cruise Indoctrination Video Scientology Tried To Suppress (http://gawker.com/5002269/the-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientology-tried-to-suppress)

You have to watch this video. It shows Tom Cruise, with all the wide-eyed fervor that he brings to the promotion of a movie, making the argument for Scientology, the bizarre 20th-century religion. Making the argument is an understatement. The Hollywood actor, star of movies such as Mission Impossible, is a complete fanatic. "When you're a Scientologist, and you drive by an accident, you know you have to do something about it, because you know you're the only one who can really help... We are the way to happiness. We can bring peace and unite cultures." There's much much more. Let me put it this way: if Tom Cruise jumping on Oprah's couch was an 8 on the scale of scary, this is a 10.

pjw
16-01-2008, 23:06
This sounds very scary. :eek:
And I have no idea where these people are coming from. Why is it getting so popular?

Question: Is scientology catching on in Russia and or in Ukraine?

Pete

Judge
16-01-2008, 23:10
Tom is number 2 in the pecking on order in this Scientology thingy,that's what Sky News said earlier today.
Tom's eyes look freaking nuts in the video.

Judge
16-01-2008, 23:14
This sounds very scary. :eek:
And I have no idea where these people are coming from. Why is it getting so popular?

Question: Is scientology catching on in Russia and or in Ukraine?

Pete
With Tom being 2nd in command,i'm sure it will catch on around the world..No wonder Tom was dropped by Paramount Pictures,the guy is losing the plot.

pjw
16-01-2008, 23:19
Hmm. I didnīt know that. What do you mean by number 2? Who is number 1? Is it that Hubbard dude? I find the whole thing completely weird. Is it a religion?

Albertina
16-01-2008, 23:21
First of all, let me say this: HA-HA-HA! Thank you for posting this, cause i haven't laughed like that for years! Is this an impersonator. Looks like a parody from the Jon Stewart show.
Second thing: Isn't he dyslexic?!
Third thing: Did he have an orgasm a couple of times during this video?!

Here in Moscow I took one course recently on a totally different subject, but the lecturer started to promote Ron Hubbart and I had filed a complaint to the school... The virus has started to spread here as well - they created kindergarten, English language courses, etc. and I can only envisage an epidemic. Wait, Cruise will probably be invited here - he sure is willing to help :bowdown:

TD
16-01-2008, 23:29
Is this an impersonator. Looks like a parody from the Jon Stewart show.

Nope... here's a couple more clips from the same site ---> Tom Cruise Uncut: The Freedom Medal Award Ceremony (http://gawker.com/345563/tom-cruise-uncut-the-freedom-medal-award-ceremony)

Judge
16-01-2008, 23:34
Hmm. I didnīt know that. What do you mean by number 2? Who is number 1? Is it that Hubbard dude? I find the whole thing completely weird. Is it a religion?

Hubbard died a few years ago the leader is David Miscavige,Tom's best man at his wedding.A book came out that claimed the leaders of Scientology told Tom to dump the gorgeous nicolo kidman,anyman who dumps Kidman must be NUTS.

ABC News: Scientology Leader Gave ABC First-Ever Interview (http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Story?id=2664713)

Albertina
16-01-2008, 23:48
That's just too much video for me - I'm going for my next dose of Prozak and will set up an appointment with a shrink :elf::reindeer:

TD
16-01-2008, 23:53
I find the whole thing completely weird. Is it a religion?

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pjw
17-01-2008, 00:21
Very creepy indeed.

My opinion is he looks very aggressive (strange eyes), no love, no understanding, no individual thought. Iīm sure he believes what heīs saying. But I donīt know where heīs coming from.
My only hope is that he can come out of it eventually and tell us (from the inside) that itīs all nonsense.

Good to see those videos. Had never seen this stuff before as I have no TV.

Pete

Judge
17-01-2008, 00:29
Very creepy indeed.

My opinion is he looks very aggressive (strange eyes), no love, no understanding, no individual thought. Iīm sure he believes what heīs saying. But I donīt know where heīs coming from.
My only hope is that he can come out of it eventually and tell us (from the inside) that itīs all nonsense.

Good to see those videos. Had never seen this stuff before as I have no TV.

Pete

Or maybe we could go inside and check it out ,lead the way mate.i'm right behind you.:celebrate:
Tommy boy is long gone,kinda like Britney Spears, must be something in the water ...:drink::drink:

TD
17-01-2008, 00:41
Good to see those videos. Had never seen this stuff before as I have no TV.

You will never see that stuff on TV... in fact there are very few websites that are still showing it due to legal efforts to have it removed

Margo
17-01-2008, 01:23
Horrible really
He really is dyslexic. And he speaks exactly the same voice as in movies. Normally actors voices differ a bit when they speak in real life and when they play. Is he always paying?

pjw
17-01-2008, 02:02
Yes he seems to be in a very serious role. Completely full of himself, believing heīs the only one that can help. Seems to be acting, but absolutely convinced that he is right. He got sucked in to this somehow, by someone. I never liked him in the first place, but nevertheless I hope he snaps out of it and then can reveal all and tell us about his trip.

Pete

Lady Marmalade
17-01-2008, 02:10
Okay, congratulations, that was officially, a very scary video.

WOW! How on earth did Katie Holmes get snookered into such a zealous, fanatical system of belief?

She seemed very normal. He is anything but normal and still masquerading as normal. I would rather that he had kept his old publicist who constantly had Tom under lock and key so that he didn't do couch jumping antics or have videos like that ever made! lol! WoW, WOW, wow!!!! Surreal man. Thanks TD.

TD
17-01-2008, 10:43
WOW! How on earth did Katie Holmes get snookered into such a zealous, fanatical system of belief?

this whole sh*t storm started due to the publication on Tuesday of an Unauthorized biography of him... details at Wikipedia and a quote below from that page

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Morton also asserts in the book that Holmes had to "audition" for the status of Cruise's girlfriend, and won the part over actresses including Jessica Alba, Scarlett Johansson and Kate Bosworth.

is4fun
17-01-2008, 13:33
I watched the video and found it absolutely one-sided. It would have been more interesting and probably more informative to note the interviewer's questions and discussion with Cruise to better understand his non-reluctance to speak his mind or as it is so implied by the video.

TD
17-01-2008, 14:30
I watched the video and found it absolutely one-sided. It would have been more interesting and probably more informative to note the interviewer's questions and discussion with Cruise

I think the presence of an interviewer here is only implied, and not necessarily a fact - this is material for the internal use of the church not something designed for the mass media...

Korotky Gennady
17-01-2008, 17:46
from gawker.com --->

Exclusive: The Cruise Indoctrination Video Scientology Tried To Suppress (http://gawker.com/5002269/the-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientology-tried-to-suppress)

You have to watch this video. It shows Tom Cruise, with all the wide-eyed fervor that he brings to the promotion of a movie, making the argument for Scientology, the bizarre 20th-century religion. Making the argument is an understatement. The Hollywood actor, star of movies such as Mission Impossible, is a complete fanatic. "When you're a Scientologist, and you drive by an accident, you know you have to do something about it, because you know you're the only one who can really help... We are the way to happiness. We can bring peace and unite cultures." There's much much more. Let me put it this way: if Tom Cruise jumping on Oprah's couch was an 8 on the scale of scary, this is a 10.

Yeah, it's scary thing... but i am sure there are religions which are much more dangerous and suppressing-mind-of-their-believer, then this pity scientoligy... For example i communicate a lot muslims and i can see it with my own eyes. The same is conserning and the orthodox church too which is very very dangerous thingie.

is4fun
18-01-2008, 00:22
Yeah, it's scary thing... but i am sure there are religions which are much more dangerous and suppressing-mind-of-their-believer, then this pity scientoligy... For example i communicate a lot muslims and i can see it with my own eyes. The same is conserning and the orthodox church too which is very very dangerous thingie.

Although this may seem as bizarre behavior to many, including myself, it still does not compare to recurrent suicide bombings, 9/11 and a cartoon depicting you know who. Thank you, Korotky Gennady. For me, scary does not play into it. Also, if Mr. Cruise made another Mission Impossible movie I would probably be entertained for a few hours for he is not bad at what he does; he entertains... Please, I do not wish to get into a lengthy discussion regarding if it is art or the problems with violence on TV etc…
In most civilized countries freedom of religion is a foundation of a true democracy as long as it does not infringe on other’s boundaries. I have the right to choose and will continue to do so until my boundaries have been breached. As for all the people who state they have been duped by Scientology…? Good for them, it was a hard pill to swallow but they now feel for the better, thus another new learning experience. I would classify these people much the same as people addicted to gambling or some other needy social addiction. To some this addiction is a necessity, to some not. I am sure Mr. Cruise would have been even more scrutinized if he had been a Hara Krishna, Falun Gong or part of Rev. Carl Porter Christian rattle snake congregation. This seems to be a phase of life, much like George Harrison of the Beatles when he went on a spiritual journalist laden trip to India. The fact is, these people only do and know well what they do best: Entertain.

Clepa
18-01-2008, 02:58
I had a very brief encounter with scientologists about 7 years ago. My friends and I were walking around the centre of St. Petersburg and there was a person handing out leaflets which promised a free IQ test. We were naive enough then to take what the leaflets said at face value and went to take the test. First we had to listen to a lecture on the benefits of Scientology and how it lets you use your full potential and so on - nobody enjoyed but we tought it would be impolite to leave, Then we were given sheets of paper with a personality test. We were entitled to a consultation with a psychologist, but it was hushed up - and on reading the results of the tests we understood why: according to the results we were selfish and misanthropic morons. Well, I remember we had a good laugh then. What surprises me is that I still sometimes see people handing out the same leaflets!

Clepa
18-01-2008, 03:19
However, there seem to be many more even worse sects.

pjw
18-01-2008, 03:54
:brush::brush:I was stopped and asked to fill in a questionaire once from these Scientology people. Asked me what my dream in life would be. Them asking me that kind of question got me interested somehow. I guess because we secretly all want to find and follow our dreams, desires, passions. Mine at that stage was to become an artist. Thatīs how these guys get you at first. Then they get you up stairs for a 1 on 1 talk. Then it gets real heavy. I looked around the room and there were I swear 50 to 100 discussions going on. Then I just had to get up and leave, no matter what any other people thought. I didnīt give a sh.. I just left. Thank g.. it didnīt get past that stage for me. The most frightening thing. Itīs manipulative and I can see how alot of people get tricked into feeling accepted, maybe for the 1st time.

Albertina
18-01-2008, 08:53
CNN just showed this video... there was a comment about it being pirated and edited. i'm afraid the video will be taken out from the site...

robertmf
02-11-2009, 23:46
Whether or not it was L. Ron Hubbard's intent, this "Scientology" is now a :voodoo: cult, most certainly not a religion.

French Scientology group convicted of fraud -- latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-france-scientology28-2009oct28,0,6643393.story)

Scientology: You Can Check Out Anytime You Like, But You Can Never Leave (http://slatest.slate.com/id/2234303/)

gropius
03-11-2009, 10:17
...in the end just like all the other religions: thanks "GOD" I'm atheist! :neiner: