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Alan65
29-03-2014, 01:38
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26795627

Putin calls Obama to discuss Ukraine
Breaking news
Russia's Vladimir Putin has telephoned President Barack Obama to discuss the US proposal for a diplomatic solution to the crisis in Ukraine, the White House says.

Mr Obama suggested that Russia put a concrete response in writing, his spokesman said in a statement.

The two countries' foreign ministers would meet soon to discuss the next steps, he added.

It sounds like the conversation went something like this:

Hello Obama here
Hello this is Vladimir
Vladimir who...oh Mr Putin, what do you want
Can we chat about Ukraine
Put it in writing please ....good night.:irule:

Benedikt
29-03-2014, 05:29
Putin calls Obama to discuss Ukraine

VV does nothing without any purpose. and What the reasons were for that call, we will see and hear the next few days,
But he does not get cold feet and neither does he sh**t his pants.

Grigor
29-03-2014, 05:57
My last two winters in Moscow region have given me a feeling of an insular
society. Mr. Putin's actions in the name of brotherly love seem to exacerbated
this.

vossy7
29-03-2014, 07:05
My last two winters in Moscow region have given me a feeling of an insular
society. Mr. Putin's actions in the name of brotherly love seem to exacerbated
this.

We're in the Moscow region at the moment , as we were walking our dog last evening near the local village there was nothing insular about it ,people were just going about their business as usual, albeit a bit windswept :sunny:

Benedikt
29-03-2014, 08:42
We're in the Moscow region at the moment , as we were walking our dog last evening near the local village there was nothing insular about it ,people were just going about their business as usual, albeit a bit windswept :sunny:



here in town (Moscow....) the wind was blowing and with the windchill factor it was a felt like -10C. late night we had even a little snow....

FatAndy
29-03-2014, 10:42
My last two winters in Moscow region have given me a feeling of an insular society. Mr. Putin's actions in the name of brotherly love seem to exacerbated this.
This is exactly expected reaction. ;)

penka
29-03-2014, 11:45
Alan's observations are in line with those of a male with a permanent erectile dysfunction and drooling over unattainable women:
She slept with that guy? Ho!
She didn't? B*tch!

vossy7
29-03-2014, 11:57
Alan's observations are in line with those of a male with a permanent erectile dysfunction and drooling over unattainable women:
She slept with that guy? Ho!
She didn't? B*tch!

Maybe he needs to read a bit of good old Sam Beckett:10310:

“Estragon: What about hanging ourselves?
Vladimir: Hmm. It'd give us an erection.”
― Samuel Beckett, Waiting for Godot

Sana
29-03-2014, 14:45
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26795627



Putin calls Obama to discuss Ukraine

Breaking news

Russia's Vladimir Putin has telephoned President Barack Obama to discuss the US proposal for a diplomatic solution to the crisis in Ukraine, the White House says.



Mr Obama suggested that Russia put a concrete response in writing, his spokesman said in a statement.



The two countries' foreign ministers would meet soon to discuss the next steps, he added.



It sounds like the conversation went something like this:



Hello Obama here

Hello this is Vladimir

Vladimir who...oh Mr Putin, what do you want

Can we chat about Ukraine

Put it in writing please ....good night.:irule:


Yep! Very nicely put:))) laughed a lot!
Agree completely with Obama. Impossible to understand Putin, therefore no need to talk on the phone.

Alan65
29-03-2014, 16:57
Yep! Very nicely put:))) laughed a lot!
Agree completely with Obama. Impossible to understand Putin, therefore no need to talk on the phone.

Personally I think it is rude to to make a business call to someone when they are on holiday

Sana
29-03-2014, 17:18
Personally I think it is rude to to make a business call to someone when they are on holiday


Of course it is. Especially if he/she is an official person.

But what is really upsetting is that the phone call outcome is being covered completely different by the Russian federal media: namely, that they agreed to continue the discussions over Ukraine. Actually I learnt the phone call outcome only from you and the opposition DOZHD channel coverage.

penka
29-03-2014, 17:39
Of course it is. Especially if he/she is an official person.

But what is really upsetting is that the phone call outcome is being covered completely different by the Russian federal media: namely, that they agreed to continue the discussions over Ukraine.

Sana, you must make your voice heard!!!

Sana
29-03-2014, 18:23
Geez, it's not me who want to make my voice heard. LOL pu*in wants to make his voice heard since he keeps telephoning Obama. LOL LOL LOL. But...what a pity.....his attempts are....so futile,,, ohhhhh

tonytony
29-03-2014, 18:33
Personally I think it is rude to to make a business call to someone when they are on holiday

I think that Putin is actaully having a bit of a holiday now, just sitting back with the popcorn and watching as problems crop up for others. :emote_popcorn:

I came across this joke the other day:-

Putin is watching TV. Calls up his Chief of Intelligence: “Give Tyagnibok a medal for banning the use of Russian in Ukraine. What do you mean he isn't one of ours?

Ok, give Yarosh a medal for the idea of blowing up Ukrainian gas transit lines. What do you mean, that's his own doing? How about that cretin Lyashko? How about those cretins from Svoboda—Miroshnichenko and others?

So, DO WE HAVE ANY AGENTS ON THE GROUND IN UKRAINE AT ALL?! Where the hell are they? What the hell do you mean they bought a dump-truck of pop-corn and a tanker truck beer and are watching it like a movie?!!!”

Hangs up in disgust. Calls again: “How could you let Muzychko get killed?”

TolkoRaz
01-04-2014, 00:58
VVP is enjoying being in a position of strength again as the Us of A and the EU run around like headless chickens wondering how they can rollback VVP's successes.

The West look weak, inept and ineffective - why else would they be holding talks and negotiations? They are not for Russia's benefit! :book:

Even a former German Chancellor said that what VVP did was correct in how he moved quickly to protect ethnic Russians from those Kyiv Klowns and Maidan Morons, and that coming from a German has certainly rattled a few cages! :10310:

penka
01-04-2014, 02:38
VVP is enjoying being in a position of strength again as the Us of A and the EU run around like headless chickens wondering how they can rollback VVP's successes.

The West look weak, inept and ineffective - why else would they be holding talks and negotiations? They are not for Russia's benefit! :book:

Even a former German Chancellor said that what VVP did was correct in how he moved quickly to protect ethnic Russians from those Kyiv Klowns and Maidan Morons, and that coming from a German has certainly rattled a few cages! :10310:

Merkel talked differently. And supported the States. And that is after her phone was tapped. By the Americans. Isn't that interesting:)

robertmf
01-04-2014, 03:01
Merkel talked differently. And supported the States. And that is after her phone was tapped. By the Americans. Isn't that interesting:)

:whisper: TolkoRaz goes on these anti-American rants when he's at work and knows his phone is monitored

FatAndy
01-04-2014, 09:57
:whisper: TolkoRaz goes on these anti-American rants when he's at work and knows his phone is monitored

Roberto, don't you know NSA is monitoring every mobile device in the world?

That's why they've missed RF army details movements near Krym. We still use wired field phones (yes, with handles and hand switching) :rasta: and Bodeau telegraph devices. Reverse to that case with stealth jet plane, which was invisible only at american radars ;)

rumple_stilskin
01-04-2014, 10:30
Also some senior Uk politicians have made comments supporting putin, but not the two major parties that are in the bankers pockets.

Putins approval rating has surged to 82%, up from 80%.
Many people from the west also have respect for Putin.

Does anyone at all respect Obama? Who dances with other men(videos on internet), admits coccaine use and wants to be remembered as the Drone King.



VVP is enjoying being in a position of strength again as the Us of A and the EU run around like headless chickens wondering how they can rollback VVP's successes.

The West look weak, inept and ineffective - why else would they be holding talks and negotiations? They are not for Russia's benefit! :book:

Even a former German Chancellor said that what VVP did was correct in how he moved quickly to protect ethnic Russians from those Kyiv Klowns and Maidan Morons, and that coming from a German has certainly rattled a few cages! :10310:

penka
01-04-2014, 12:42
Also some senior Uk politicians have made comments supporting putin, but not the two major parties that are in the bankers pockets.

Putins approval rating has surged to 82%, up from 80%.
Many people from the west also have respect for Putin.

Does anyone at all respect Obama? Who dances with other men(videos on internet), admits coccaine use and wants to be remembered as the Drone King.

Maybe, the respect for Obama is not high. Yet still, Euroleaders dance to his pipe even if their national interests might get affected. Funny, isn't it?

FatAndy
01-04-2014, 12:50
Yet still, Euroleaders dance to his pipe even if their national interests might get affected. Funny, isn't it?
Yes. Once taught, they just can't change - it requires too much intellectual efforts.

Though it seems to me Angelka has started to suspect something some time ago...

TolkoRaz
01-04-2014, 13:03
Courtesy of STRATFOR

During the Cold War, U.S. secretaries of state and Soviet foreign ministers routinely negotiated the outcome of crises and the fate of countries. It has been a long time since such talks have occurred, but last week a feeling of deja vu overcame me. Americans and Russians negotiated over everyone's head to find a way to defuse the crisis in Ukraine and, in the course of that, shape its fate.

During the talks, U.S. President Barack Obama made it clear that Washington has no intention of expanding NATO into either Ukraine or Georgia. The Russians have stated that they have no intention of any further military operations in Ukraine. Conversations between Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry have been extensive and ongoing. For different reasons, neither side wants the crisis to continue, and each has a different read on the situation.

The Russian Perspective

The Russians are convinced that the uprising in Kiev was fomented by Western intelligence services supporting nongovernmental organizations and that without this, the demonstrations would have died out and the government would have survived. This is not a new narrative on the Russians' part. They also claimed that the Orange Revolution had the same roots. The West denies this. What is important is that the Russians believe this. That means that they believe that Western intelligence has the ability to destabilize Ukraine and potentially other countries in the Russian sphere of influence, or even Russia itself. This makes the Russians wary of U.S. power.

The Russians also are not convinced that they have to do anything. Apart from their theory on Western intelligence, they know that the Ukrainians are fractious and that mounting an uprising is very different than governing. The Russians have raised the price of natural gas by 80 percent for Ukraine, and the International Monetary Fund's bailout of Ukrainian sovereign debt carries with it substantial social and economic pain. As this pain sets in this summer, and the romantic recollection of the uprising fades, the Russians expect a backlash against the West and also will use their own influence, overt and covert, to shape the Ukrainian government. Seizing eastern Ukraine would cut against this strategy. The Russians want the pro-Russian regions voting in Ukrainian elections, sending a strong opposition to Kiev. Slicing off all or part of eastern Ukraine would be irrational.

Other options for the Russians are not inviting. There has been talk of action in Moldova from Transdniestria. But while it is possible for Russian forces there to act in Moldova, supplies for the region run through Ukraine. In the event of a conflict, the Russians must assume that the Ukrainians would deny access. The Russians could possibly force their way in, but then a measured action in Moldova would result in an invasion of Ukraine -- and put the Russians back where they started.

Action in the Baltics is possible; the Kremlin could encourage Russian minorities to go into the streets. But the Baltics are in NATO, and the response would be unpredictable. The Russians want to hold their sphere of influence in Ukraine without breaking commercial and political ties with Europe, particularly with Germany. Russian troops moving into the Baltics would challenge Russia's relationship with Europe.

Negotiations to relieve the crisis make sense for the Russians because of the risks involved in potential actions and because they think they can recover their influence in Ukraine after the economic crunch hits and they begin doling out cash to ease the pain.

The U.S. Perspective

The United States sees the Russians as having two levers. Militarily, the Russians are stronger than the Americans in their region. The United States had no practical military options in Crimea, just as they had none in Georgia in 2008. The United States would take months to build up forces in the event of a major conflict in Eurasia. Preparation for Desert Storm took six months, and the invasion of Iraq in 2003 took similar preparation. With such a time frame the Russians would have achieved their aims and the only option the Americans would have would be an impossible one: mounting an invasion of Russian-held territory. The Americans do not want the Russians to exercise military options, because it would reveal the U.S. inability to mount a timely response. It would also reveal weaknesses in NATO.

The Americans also do not want to test the Germans since they don't know which way Berlin will move. In a sense, the Germans began the crisis by confronting the Ukrainians' refusal to proceed with an EU process and by supporting one of the leaders of the uprising both before and after the protests. But since then, the Germans have fallen increasingly quiet and the person they supported, Vitali Klitschko, has dropped out of the race for the Ukrainian presidency. The Germans have pulled back.

The Germans do not want a little Cold War to break out. Constant conflict to their east would exacerbate the European Union's instability and could force Germany into more assertive actions that it really does not want to undertake. Berlin is very busy trying to stabilize the European Union and hold together Southern and Central Europe in the face of massive economic dislocation and the emergence of an increasingly visible radical right. It does not need a duel with Russia. The Germans also receive a third of their energy from Russia. This is of mutual benefit, but the Germans are not certain that Russia will see the mutual benefits during a crisis. It is a risk the Germans cannot afford to take.

If Germany is cautious, however the passions in the region flow, the Central Europeans must be cautious as well. Poland cannot simply disregard Germany, for example. The United States might create bilateral relations in the region, as I suggested would happen in due course, but for the moment, the Americans are not ready to act at all, let alone in a region where two powers -- Russia and Germany -- might oppose American action.

Washington, like Moscow, has limited options. Even assuming the Russian claim about U.S. influence via nongovernmental organizations is true, they have played that card and it will be difficult to play again as austerity takes hold. Therefore, the latest events are logical. The Russians have turned to the Americans to discuss easing the crisis, asking for the creation of a federation in Ukraine, and there have been suggestions of monitors being deployed as well.

The Significance of the Negotiations

What is most interesting in this is that with the next act being played out, the Russians and Americans have reached out to each other. The Russians have talked to the Europeans, of course, but as discussions reach the stage of defining the future and options, Lavrov calls Kerry and Kerry answers the phone.

This tells us something important on how the world works. I have laid out the weakness of both countries, but even in the face of this weakness, the Russians know that they cannot extract themselves from the crisis without American cooperation, and the United States understands that it will need to deal with the Russians and cannot simply impose an outcome as it sometimes did in the region in the 1990s.

Part of this might be habits learned in the Cold War. But it is more than that. If the Russians want to reach a solution to the Ukrainian problem that protects their national interests without forcing them beyond a level of risk they consider acceptable, the only country they can talk to is the United States. There is no single figure in Europe who speaks for the European states on a matter of this importance. The British speak for the British, the French for the French, the Germans for the Germans and the Poles for the Poles. In negotiating with the Europeans, you must first allow the Europeans to negotiate among themselves. After negotiations, individual countries -- or perhaps the European Union -- might, for example, send monitors. But Europe is an abstraction when it comes to power politics.

The Russians called the Americans because they understood that whatever the weakness of the United States at this moment and in this place, the potential power of the United States is substantially greater than theirs. On a matter of such significance to the Russians, failing to deal with the United States would be dangerous, and dealing with them first would be the best path to solving the problem.

A U.S.-Russian agreement on defusing the crisis likely would bring the Germans and the rest into the deal. Germany wants a solution that does not disrupt relations with Russia and does not strain relations with Central Europe. The Germans need good relations with the Central Europeans in the context of the European Union. The Americans want good relations, but have little dependence on Central Europe at the moment. Thus, the Americans potentially can give more than the Europeans, even if the Europeans could have organized themselves to negotiate.

Finally, the United States has global interests that the Russians can affect. Iran is the most obvious one. Thus, the Russians can link issues in Ukraine to issues in Iran to extract a better deal with the United States. A negotiation with the United States has a minimal economic component and maximum political and military components. There are places where the United States wants Russian help on these sorts of issues. They can deal.

Divergent U.S. Concerns

Most important, the United States is not clear on what it wants from the Russians. In part it wants to create a constitutional democracy in Ukraine. The Russians actually do not object to that so long as Ukraine does not join NATO or the European Union, but the Russians are also aware that building a constitutional democracy in Ukraine is a vast and possibly futile undertaking. They know that the government is built on dangerously shifting economic and social sands. There are parts of the U.S. government that are concerned with Russia emerging as a regional hegemon, and there are parts of the U.S. government still obsessed with the Middle East that see the Russians as challengers in the region, while others see them as potential partners.

As sometimes happens in the United States, there is complex ideological and institutional diversity. The State Department and Defense Department rarely see anything the same way, and different offices of each have competing views, and then there is Congress. That makes the United States in some ways as difficult to deal with as the Europeans. But it also opens opportunities for manipulation in the course of the negotiation.

Still, in cases of the highest national significance, whatever the diversity in views, in the end the president or some other dominant figure can speak authoritatively. In this case it appears to be Kerry who, buffeted by the divergent views on human rights and power politics, can still speak for the only power that can enter into an agreement and create the coalition in Europe and in Kiev to accept the agreement.

Russia suffered a massive reversal after former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich fell. It acted not so much to reverse the defeat as to shape perceptions of its power. Moscow's power is real but insufficient to directly reverse events by occupying Kiev. It will need to use Ukraine's economic weakness, political fragmentation and time to try to reassert its position. In order to do this, it needs a negotiated solution that it hopes will be superseded by events. To have that solution, Moscow needs a significant negotiating partner. The United States is the only one available. And for all its complexity and oddities, if it can be persuaded to act, it alone can provide the stable platform that Russia now needs.

The United States is not ready to concede that it has entered a period during which competition with Russia will be a defining element in its foreign policy. Its internal logic is not focused on Russia, nor are internal bureaucratic interests aligned. There is an argument to be made that it is not in the U.S. interest to end the Ukrainian crisis, that allowing Russia to go deeper into the Ukrainian morass will sap its strength and abort the emerging competition before it really starts. But the United States operates by its own process, and it is not yet ready to think in terms of weakening Russia, and given the United States' relative isolation, postponement is not a bad idea.

Therefore, the negotiations show promise. But more important, the Russians have shown us the way the world still works. When something must get done, the number to call is still in the United States.

penka
01-04-2014, 14:28
Yes. Once taught, they just can't change - it requires too much intellectual efforts.

Though it seems to me Angelka has started to suspect something some time ago...

I meant, the eagerness to please is overwhelming to watch.

Russian Lad
01-04-2014, 17:20
I meant, the eagerness to please is overwhelming to watch.

Have you heard Nevzorov's view on the subject?:) Here (while I don't share all of his points, there are some interesting ones):
http://kavpolit.com/blogs/rustam64/2317/

robertmf
02-04-2014, 02:40
Courtesy of STRATFOR

During the Cold War, U.S. secretaries of state and Soviet foreign ministers routinely negotiated the outcome of crises and the fate of countries. It has been a long time since such talks have occurred, but last week a feeling of deja vu overcame me. Americans and Russians negotiated over everyone's head to find a way to defuse the crisis in Ukraine and, in the course of that, shape its fate.


The chest-pumping Russians now want Alaska to be returned (http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/after-crimea-russians-say-they-want-alaska-back/497154.html), too :bong:

:applause: Okay - but you have to take Sarah Palin and also Justin Bieber

penka
02-04-2014, 03:04
The chest-pumping Russians now want Alaska to be returned (http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/after-crimea-russians-say-they-want-alaska-back/497154.html), too :bong:

:applause: Okay - but you have to take Sarah Palin and also Justin Bieber


And what the heck one should do Sarah? Establish her in Duma and marry her to Zhirinovsky???

Send Bieber back to Canada!

penka
02-04-2014, 03:04
Have you heard Nevzorov's view on the subject?:) Here (while I don't share all of his points, there are some interesting ones):
http://kavpolit.com/blogs/rustam64/2317/

Is Nevzorov Alan's alter ego, albeit a literate one?:D

Sana
09-04-2014, 09:59
Have you heard Nevzorov's view on the subject?:) Here (while I don't share all of his points, there are some interesting ones):
http://kavpolit.com/blogs/rustam64/2317/


Smth is very true in his words. I condemn the existence of this mixture in our society of false patriotism, chauvinism! But why does he mention imperialism? Do they really add the word imperialism in the current thick propaganda against the West?

I completely agree with him that once patriotism is worshiped, there gonna be a war soon. I agree that patriotism is as a gun trigger and is useful only at waging a war,

penka
09-04-2014, 10:24
Smth is very true in his words. I condemn the existence of this mixture in our society of false patriotism, chauvinism! But why does he mention imperialism? Do they really add the word imperialism in the current thick propaganda against the West?

I completely agree with him that once patriotism is worshiped, there gonna be a war soon. I agree that patriotism is as a gun trigger and is useful only at waging a war,

Ah, so your ceaseless anti-Russian rant is a noble effort to avoid a war, silly me:D

Russian Lad
09-04-2014, 22:10
Do they really add the word imperialism in the current thick propaganda against the West?

Imperialism from the Russian part. If any of you think for a split second anyone in the government really cares about those Russians living there, he or she is a fair and square idiot, for the lack of a better word. It is just business and imperial ambitions, nothing personal. Otherwise the Russian homeless would long be taken care of here in Russia - given food, shelter, maybe some work they can do, and there would not be homeless orfans in Russia. Just a thought. Use your brains for once.

TolkoRaz
09-04-2014, 22:16
Imperialism from the Russian part. If any of you think for a split second anyone in the government really cares about those Russians living there, he or she is a fair and square idiot, for the lack of a better word. It is just business and imperial ambitions, nothing personal. Otherwise the Russian homeless would long be taken care of here in Russia - given food, shelter, maybe some work they can do, and there would not be homeless orfans in Russia. Just a thought. Use your brains for once.

It is not about 'Imperial ambitions', it is more about defence and having the ability to defend The Motherland / Rodina :10310:

That strategy is sound and should be exercised :book:

Russian Lad
09-04-2014, 22:18
it is more about defence and having the ability to defend The Motherland / Rodina

That strategy is sound and should be exercised

Defending it by annexing bits of pieces of other countries? Who is going to believe this story line? Of course Russia will be the safest country if the whole world simply becomes one big Russia, everyone understands it is only self-defence...

TolkoRaz
09-04-2014, 22:21
By annexing The East, which will prob happen if all influence is lost, VVP will have created a very important & essential 'buffer' between the Rodina and an expanding NATO

Russian Lad
09-04-2014, 22:22
By annexing The East, which will prob happen if all influence is lost, VVP will have created a very important & essential 'buffer' between the Rodina and an expanding NATO

And would get a maidan in Moscow within 2-3 months or would have to begin building gulags here - a lot of free labor force for the Rodina. He will not cross the border understanding these options only fully well.

TolkoRaz
09-04-2014, 22:28
And would get a maidan in Moscow within 2-3 months or would have to begin building gulags here - a lot of free labor force for the Rodina. He will not cross the border understanding these options only fully well.

Really? So why is NATO and Washington in panic and making daily threats against VVP and Moscow with the purpose of discouraging any further military advances Westwards?

Russian Lad
09-04-2014, 22:32
Really? So why is NATO and Washington in panic and making daily threats against VVP and Moscow with the purpose of discouraging any further military advances Westwards?

Are they? Well, ask them, I am relaxed. Maybe because they don't really want another North Korea on the map, many times larger and way more aggressive?

TolkoRaz
09-04-2014, 22:39
Are they? Well, ask them, I am relaxed. Maybe because they don't really want another North Korea on the map, many time larger and way more aggressive?

Good, relax and enjoy another beer! ;)

Sana
09-04-2014, 22:42
And would get a maidan in Moscow within 2-3 months or would have to begin building gulags here - a lot of free labor force for the Rodina. He will not cross the border understanding these options only fully well.


That all sounds too scary ....I also don't think he will cross the border - tomorrow the Russian delegation may leave the PACE after being excluded from the organization....and Upsss.....I don't think Putin will like such an upcoming isolation...it's already getting too serious,

Russian Lad
09-04-2014, 22:52
That all sounds too scary ...

Well, it is a wild world out there, be a lion, not a zebra.:)

penka
09-04-2014, 23:16
Well, it is a wild world out there, be a lion, not a zebra.:)

So, have you packed your bags, tiger?:D

Carl
10-04-2014, 01:18
So, have you packed your bags, tiger?:D

How long has it been since you packed your bags and flown the coop?

Sana
10-04-2014, 01:21
How long has it been since you packed your bags and flown the coop?


Ages, I guess you were not born then yet.

Russian Lad
10-04-2014, 01:47
So, have you packed your bags, tiger?

What is the purpose of your interest, sister? I said, one year. Well, 11 months now. Why?

penka
10-04-2014, 02:16
What is the purpose of your interest, sister? I said, one year. Well, 11 months now. Why?

Just being curious:)


How long has it been since you packed your bags and flown the coop?

Well, my good man, it's customary to grow up, get a job and a home of one's own. Or, you find leaching on somebody, whether a bf or parents to be a more godly occupation?:)

robertmf
10-04-2014, 02:30
Well, my good man, it's customary to grow up, get a job and a home of one's own. Or, you find leaching on somebody, whether a bf or parents to be a more godly occupation?:)


It's easier to move back in with Mom who does your laundry and cooks meals for you :trampoline:



:smurf:

Carl
10-04-2014, 12:31
Well, my good man, it's customary to grow up, get a job and a home of one's own. Or, you find leaching on somebody, whether a bf or parents to be a more godly occupation?:)

Yes, I learned the getting a job and one's own home part many many years ago at 18 years of age. See, where I grew up it was expected..18 and out on your own.
But when was it that you decided Russia was not worthy of your presence? Or did you leave to leach off an unsuspecting foreign (how un-patriotic!) bf or husband?

Sana
10-04-2014, 15:50
Bloody H*ll! They said they had conducted a secret poll before annexing Crimea!!! Ok, let me conduct a secret poll and then do something which contradicts to the norms of the International community. Who knows what that secret poll showed at all? Any secret poll will be illegal just because it is SECRET by definition and nobody can prove that the majority wanted the annexation.

FatAndy
10-04-2014, 16:03
Bloody H*ll! They said they had conducted a secret poll before annexing Crimea!!!
Sanochka, breathe in and out, you're too excited. Why not to conduct? :suspect:


and then do something which contradicts to the norms of the International community.
What are the "norms"? What the beast is that "International community"? :)


Who knows what that secret poll showed at all?
Those who conducted and then worked around results. :agree:


Any secret poll will be illegal just because it is SECRET by definition
Who told you this? :D Poll is poll, it is not the document, just evaluation of opinions.

penka
10-04-2014, 16:23
Yes, I learned the getting a job and one's own home part many many years ago at 18 years of age. See, where I grew up it was expected..18 and out on your own.
But when was it that you decided Russia was not worthy of your presence? Or did you leave to leach off an unsuspecting foreign (how un-patriotic!) bf or husband?

Though, your tone is not overwhelmingly friendly, I will grace you with response. I studied in Germany and at some point a job opportunity presented itself, which I took. My future ex-husband was introduced to me later.

And to be honest, I see no point in being bothered by the guy's nationality, size of a wallet or a dick's length. Maybe, you are used to something else:)

natlee
10-04-2014, 16:26
And to be honest, I see no point in being bothered by the guy's nationality, size of a wallet or a dick's length. Maybe, you are used to something else:) Not even the.. latter! :bowdown: What about width?! :question:

:D :11030:

FatAndy
10-04-2014, 16:34
Not even the.. latter! :bowdown: What about width?! :question:

:D :11030:
Resembles me old, stupid but nice joke:
- Короче!
- Короче - у слона. А у меня - толще!

:jester:

penka
10-04-2014, 16:37
Not even the.. latter! :bowdown: What about width?! :question:

:D :11030:

Width? Nat, tell me more!:)

Russian Lad
10-04-2014, 16:39
Originally Posted by natlee View Post
Not even the.. latter! What about width?!


Width? Nat, tell me more!


Spring is ruthless to women...:watching:

FatAndy
10-04-2014, 16:41
Spring is ruthless to women...:watching:
To all, bro... Играй, гормон! :)

penka
10-04-2014, 16:41
Spring is ruthless to women...:watching:

Lad, do you start feeling unprotected and vulnerable?...:D

Russian Lad
10-04-2014, 17:13
Lad, do you start feeling unprotected and vulnerable?...

Yeah, I am afraid to go for a walk at night fearing female rapists. :emote_popcorn:

FatAndy
10-04-2014, 17:15
Yeah, I am afraid to go for a walk at night fearing female rapists. :emote_popcorn:
Just relax and enjoy ;)

natlee
10-04-2014, 17:33
Width? Nat, tell me more!:) What? Width can be just as useful as length! :zoom:

francobritannique
10-04-2014, 18:02
Yes, I learned the getting a job and one's own home part many many years ago at 18 years of age. See, where I grew up it was expected..18 and out on your own.
But when was it that you decided Russia was not worthy of your presence? Or did you leave to leach off an unsuspecting foreign (how un-patriotic!) bf or husband?

Admittedly, I'm new to these parts, but is it customary here or remotely necessary to be so ungraciously presumptious?

FatAndy
10-04-2014, 18:49
Admittedly, I'm new to these parts, but is it customary here or remotely necessary to be so ungraciously presumptious?
Welcome to expat.ru, bro! :emote_popcorn:

Carl
10-04-2014, 22:09
Though, your tone is not overwhelmingly friendly

I normally would not use such a tone.. But in this case, my tone was reflecting your tone.:happymad: If you re-read, you may agree with me here...or not.

Carl
10-04-2014, 22:12
Admittedly, I'm new to these parts, but is it customary here or remotely necessary to be so ungraciously presumptious?

Only when returning the favor:rolleyes:

finnandcork
11-04-2014, 11:11
An insular society? Have you a dictionary nearby? If so, do you use it? A society where most of those asked can not place Ukraine on a map yet energetically want to invade the more they do not know where Ukraine is...is an insular society. A society that still thinks "everyone wants to live here, they are jealous of our lives", when the reality is quite the opposite, this, this is an insular and demented society. Poll after poll shows Americans to be severe in their ignorance of other cultures and quite chauvinistic in their own; also, in their ignorance they gloat about their ignorance. As more and more Americans are medicated, obese, crazy, more ignorant than their grandfathers and refuse to travel outside Amurka, it won't be long before what Obama did in Kiev, will happen in America: someone, somewhere will support a radical opposition in DC, they will overthrow the government of corporations by corporations for coprorations ---only an enlightened dictator in America can reverse this atrocious state of mind boggling ignorance and Oblomovism. A military draft is needed, all passports of every ceo is confiscated, the borders closed, a refurbished education system is needed, all advertising banned. Television and cars confiscated. Now, Americans are forced to read, to learn about nature, how to plant, sow, tend vegetables. They are given a full education. There will be casualties: gamers and other dolts will self-immolate . But, with guns confiscated? The murder rate will plummet, with Americans forced onto a good diet and exercise regime, a new community of educated active humans, America will renew itself, America rnewed means the world will breathe better, an America acting as another citizen , not the porcine cop, with open maw and yellow eyes, not the skullerymaid become king...Ive met more educated Russians , from 4 year olds who quote Pushkin, as their father works construction to the teenage "hooligans" who know Thai history----this does not happen in America, the real insular society.:nono::10189:

Sana
11-04-2014, 11:51
An insular society? Have you a dictionary nearby? If so, do you use it? A society where most of those asked can not place Ukraine on a map yet energetically want to invade the more they do not know where Ukraine is...is an insular society. A society that still thinks "everyone wants to live here, they are jealous of our lives", when the reality is quite the opposite, this, this is an insular and demented society. Poll after poll shows Americans to be severe in their ignorance of other cultures and quite chauvinistic in their own; also, in their ignorance they gloat about their ignorance. As more and more Americans are medicated, obese, crazy, more ignorant than their grandfathers and refuse to travel outside Amurka, it won't be long before what Obama did in Kiev, will happen in America: someone, somewhere will support a radical opposition in DC, they will overthrow the government of corporations by corporations for coprorations ---only an enlightened dictator in America can reverse this atrocious state of mind boggling ignorance and Oblomovism. A military draft is needed, all passports of every ceo is confiscated, the borders closed, a refurbished education system is needed, all advertising banned. Television and cars confiscated. Now, Americans are forced to read, to learn about nature, how to plant, sow, tend vegetables. They are given a full education. There will be casualties: gamers and other dolts will self-immolate . But, with guns confiscated? The murder rate will plummet, with Americans forced onto a good diet and exercise regime, a new community of educated active humans, America will renew itself, America rnewed means the world will breathe better, an America acting as another citizen , not the porcine cop, with open maw and yellow eyes, not the skullerymaid become king...Ive met more educated Russians , from 4 year olds who quote Pushkin, as their father works construction to the teenage "hooligans" who know Thai history----this does not happen in America, the real insular society.:nono::10189:


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