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allice
24-02-2004, 16:32
discuss

Limitchik
24-02-2004, 16:47
Ya know what ? I say good riddance. Anyone who thinks Vova isn't behind everything anyway has got another thing (think) comin'. I say, who needs the facade of all these ministers and councils ? It's the new Glasnost ! I'm surprised he didn't do it earlier, and I hope he doesn't mess it up by appointing new people. Get rid of the elections next. Putin for Life ! Hurray !

moscowmail
24-02-2004, 17:15
We love ya Vlady boy :)

pafckinzhalosta
24-02-2004, 17:25
looks like Im leaving just in time

Braders
24-02-2004, 18:06
a quote from a reasonably famous movie.

'Frankly my Dear i don't give a damn' ;)

Pingu
24-02-2004, 18:36
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3517331.stm

DaveUKagain
24-02-2004, 19:07
What ? There WAS one in the first place ?? :)

geordie
25-02-2004, 10:43
Why has he done it? What's the point at this stage?

P.I.M.P.
25-02-2004, 11:28
Anybody want to start a betting pool on who Putin will choose to be his new PM? Kudrin is the favorite at the moment. The Expat Site did this 4 years back with voter margins on the Bush/Gore election. I think the prize was a dinner or something...

His decision is sure to come in the next several days to a week to keep the momentum going... We can divide slots on A.M./P.M. announcements with individuals who have a chance... Putin can also easily appoint a no-name as he was just a few years ago

trackhat
29-02-2004, 16:19
Primakov wasn't so bad... what ever happened to the PM being the head of the ruling party the way he is in the UK?

aliwilliams
01-03-2004, 17:32
Er. Have any of you guys read Marx recently? (I know it's very dull) Perhaps this isn't the new glasnost, as Limitchik suggested, but a revision of Marxist-Leninism.

The idea is that government is useless (and a construct of the bourgeois classes) and would wither away to nothing under socialism. Ultimately anarchy is the purest form of socialism (read Kropotkin), as the socialist masses all work towards an implicitly understood goal and don't need a government to tell them what to do.

And we all know what happened with that theory.

Is there not the real danger that we are witnessing the ascendancy of dictatorship in Russia again. I see this as the removal of credible oppostion to Putin. I can think of a number of examples of similar behaviour from the past!

Putin seems to be pushing himself as the (re)incarnation of certain Russian (and Soviet) leaders of the past - I've seen examples of biographical pieces inserted into the fronts of school textbooks extolling his virtues as a leader, which are remarkably similar to those that appeared in textbooks in the 1930s.

ranetca
02-03-2004, 10:36
I'm completely agree with you!!!!!! aliwilliams
Do you see that military control is strengthening???Remember...Putin was educated in the USSR......he worked at secret services.....what about Chechenia??.....acts of terrorism???

makes to reflect a little/ doesn't it??

aliwilliams
02-03-2004, 13:14
Actually, if you think about it it's terrifying. I'm a historian so ot's my field.

Putin was a very senior man in the Communist machine, and moreover its darker side. You don't get there without

1. Being commited to the ideals of Communism
2. Being very ruthless
3. Trashing a large number of careers/lives
4. Being aware of who can help you get there
5. Being aware of who threatens your position

What really terrifies me is that Putin shares too much similarity with Stalin, and the means he used to gain power and keep it. Worth remebering that the Soviet Union was a 'democracy', although the element of real choice was removed.

The question is then - Are we powerless to stop the ascendancy of a dictator in modern Russia?

ranetca
02-03-2004, 14:06
yes!!!
I don't remember who of the politicians said it, but the idea was: Putin, discharging the government, is showing that he has everything under his control, that he knows beforehand who will win the presidential election(who could it be???? :) ), that he is in the firm belief that he will get away with it and he is under cover!!!

Of course he can discharge and appoint anyone he wants!
He just indicated that we even don't have to go to the elections- Putin is the winner anyway!!!

peyote
02-03-2004, 15:49
it's elite, monarchy, powers that be... everywhere...
does anyone really believe in the prefix demo?
give me a break!
corporate bull rules america, blair kisses cowboy's a@@
aznar follows the flock... and putin does its trick...
anyone really surprise?
from what planet?

high everyone!

:cool:

DJ Biscuit
02-03-2004, 15:51
High everyone!

:D :p Cute, nice one! Respect!

aliwilliams
02-03-2004, 18:34
I get the impression that he is afraid though that it is such a foregone conclusion that people wont vote and that someone will slip through. There does seem to be pressure on people to actually vote, but I doubt they feel they have a choice.

Remember the last US election, particularly the Carolinas. Some old people didn't bother to vote for Al Gore because "he was going to win" and the world gets stuck with Dubya!

Anyway, I'm sure that whatever the outcome it'll be in his favour (just like the recount in 1934 at the XVIIth party conference)

ranetca
03-03-2004, 18:55
hehe peyote.......brief and to the point

peyote
03-03-2004, 19:01
Originally posted by ranetca
hehe peyote.......brief and to the point
it's a virgo thing...;)