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Alan65
18-03-2014, 20:08
So much for Russia being peaceful....a Ukrainian officer has been killed by Russian forces, If i was your brother I would hate to be your enemy...first shots fired by Russia, first death at the hands of Russian soldiers.

AstarD
18-03-2014, 20:38
Ukrainian soldier killed in Crimea base; PM says conflict is now military
Shooting in Ukrainian army base near Crimean capital is a 'war crime,' Ukrainian PM says. (http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.580565)
By Reuters | Mar. 18, 2014 | 6:05 PM

Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk said on Tuesday that the conflict in its Crimea peninsula, now under Russian control, had entered a military phase after an Ukrainian officer was killed in an alleged Russian shooting at a Crimea base.

"The conflict is moving from a political one to a military one because of Russian soldiers," he told a meeting at Ukraine's defense ministry. "Today, Russian soldiers began shooting at Ukrainian servicemen and this is a war crime without any expiry under a statute of limitations."

Yatseniuk said he had ordered Ukraine's defense minister to call a meeting with his counterparts from Britain, France, and Russia - signatories to a 1994 treaty guaranteeing Ukraine's borders to "prevent an escalation of the conflict".

Earlier, a military spokesman said a Ukrainian officer was killed in a shooting at a military facility on the outskirts of the Crimean capital Simferopol, but it was unclear who was behind the incident.

Some Ukrainian military facilities in Crimea have been under the control of Russian forces for several weeks after Russian troops poured into the Black Sea peninsula ahead of a referendum at the weekend that handed over control from Ukraine to Russia.

There was no immediate evidence that Russian soldiers were involved in Tuesday's incident, witnesses said.

It was not possible to see far into the compound, because streets leading to it had been blocked by so-called "self-defense" units of pro-Russian volunteers who have been patrolling the streets of Crimea in the run-up to the referendum.

There have been major concerns over whether the governments of Russia and Ukraine, who are at loggerheads over Moscow's annexation of Crimea, could achieve a smooth handover of control of Ukrainian military bases in the region.

Pro-Russian nationalists have been seen gathering outside Ukrainian military bases on several occasions this month, demanding that Ukrainian soldiers leave and hand over control to Russian forces.

The fact that the road blocks outside the facility in Simferopol were staffed by "self-defense" units suggested it was they who were involved in the incident rather than Russian forces. The situation was calm by 1520 GMT.

On Sunday, the Ukrainian and Russian Defense Ministries said they had agreed on a truce.

Benedikt
18-03-2014, 20:56
The fact that the roadblocks outside the facility in Simferopol were staffed by "self-defense" units suggested it was they who were involved in the incident rather than Russian forces. The situation was calm by 1520 GMT.



not that it would make any difference, every death is a death to many.

Alan65
18-03-2014, 21:08
On Sunday, the Ukrainian and Russian Defense Ministries said they had agreed on a truce.

That lasted long

okiey
18-03-2014, 21:15
That lasted long

I think Russia will stand by that truce, but as of today their are Ukrainians occupying Russian territory in Crimea and this is a dangerous development.

TolkoRaz
18-03-2014, 21:23
Will the UKR Forces be integrated into the RF military, or will they be redeployed back into the UKR?

TolkoRaz
18-03-2014, 21:24
So much for Russia being peaceful....a Ukrainian officer has been killed by Russian forces, If i was your brother I would hate to be your enemy...first shots fired by Russia, first death at the hands of Russian soldiers.

Who has confirmed that the first shots were fired by the RF? :confused:

They might have fired the fatal shot(s), but was it the first shot fired?

Alan65
18-03-2014, 21:30
Who has confirmed that the first shots were fired by the RF? :confused:

They might have fired the fatal shot(s), but was it the first shot fired?

All reports are that Russian forces stormed the base, again so mush for Putins speech that nothing would happen...the G8 is now the G7, Russia, international outcasts.

Russia a population of 142 million with a GBP of what, the G7 with a population of circa 1bn and a GDP of...well many times Russia.

Suuryaa
18-03-2014, 21:35
All reports are that Russian forces stormed the base, again so mush for Putins speech that nothing would happen...the G8 is now the G7, Russia, international outcasts.

Russia a population of 142 million with a GBP of what, the G7 with a population of circa 1bn and a GDP of...well many times Russia.

How much happier will your life become, Alan, if Russia perishes?

TolkoRaz
18-03-2014, 21:35
All reports are that Russian forces stormed the base, again so mush for Putins speech that nothing would happen...the G8 is now the G7, Russia, international outcasts.

Russia a population of 142 million with a GBP of what, the G7 with a population of circa 1bn and a GDP of...well many times Russia.

They might have stormed the base, but that does not mean they fired the first shot.

VVP will now see UKR troops as 'invaders' and all military installations in The Krim as RF bases now that The Krim is Russian! :)

Alan65
18-03-2014, 21:43
They might have stormed the base, but that does not mean they fired the first shot.

VVP will now see UKR troops as 'invaders' and all military installations in The Krim as RF bases now that The Krim is Russian! :)

So, annex a place, then decree that the locals are invading you.....next step terrorism and a war of attrition for Russia :D

Who will be the Ukrainian Doku Umarov blowing up trains in Moscow?

okiey
18-03-2014, 21:58
Russia a population of 142 million with a GBP of what, the G7 with a population of circa 1bn and a GDP of...well many times Russia.

As of today Russia has 144 mln and counting

Remington
18-03-2014, 22:01
They might have stormed the base, but that does not mean they fired the first shot.

VVP will now see UKR troops as 'invaders' and all military installations in The Krim as RF bases now that The Krim is Russian! :)

How? Ukrainian army was unarmed.

Again... Crimea is not Russia yet until Duma ratify the annexation of Crimea by the end of this week..

Alan65
18-03-2014, 22:07
As of today Russia has 144 mln and counting

Counting which way....up or down, and does that figure include Crimea :D

Alan65
18-03-2014, 22:09
How? Ukrainian army was unarmed.

Again... Crimea is not Russia yet until Duma ratify the annexation of Crimea by the end of this week..

Dont waste legalities on Russians, the law means nothing to them.

TolkoRaz
18-03-2014, 23:14
How? Ukrainian army was unarmed.

Again... Crimea is not Russia yet until Duma ratify the annexation of Crimea by the end of this week..

The UKR was not unarmed. Look at news footage, many of the UKR military in the Krim are still carrying weapons and have access to their weapon stores and ammunition bunkers.

AstarD
18-03-2014, 23:26
The fact that the roadblocks outside the facility in Simferopol were staffed by "self-defense" units suggested it was they who were involved in the incident rather than Russian forces. The situation was calm by 1520 GMT.



not that it would make any difference, every death is a death to many.
Hahhahahah. "Self-defense forces". You are funnier than people say you are, Benedikt.

Alan65
19-03-2014, 01:53
The UKR was not unarmed. Look at news footage, many of the UKR military in the Krim are still carrying weapons and have access to their weapon stores and ammunition bunkers.

Perhaps it will really go bang over the next few days in the Crimea.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26637296

Suuryaa
19-03-2014, 07:34
Perhaps it will really go bang over the next few days in the Crimea.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26637296

Don't worry, everything will end up well both for Crimea and Russia.

FatAndy
19-03-2014, 11:04
Don't worry, everything will end up well both for Crimea and Russia.
Alan is just envying, but can't do it in silence ;)


Hahhahahah. "Self-defense forces". You are funnier than people say you are, Benedikt.
You know better while sitting in Moscow, right, Astarochka? ;)