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free.p
08-01-2008, 22:06
Free People is a new English school specialising in individual classes, with offices 4 minutes from Metro Sukharevskaya.

We are seeking TEFL/ CELTA-qualified teachers, preferably with experience in teaching one-to-one. Native speakers are preferred, but Russian applicants with Cambridge Proficiency and a pedagogical background will also be considered.


We pay native speakers a minimum of $35 per academic hour, following a one-month probationary period at $25 per academic hour.


We will provide visa support and a working visa to teachers who work full-time with us or, in some cases, to those part-time teachers who have distinguished themselves.


We are recruiting throughout January, 2008. If you are interested in being involved with an exciting new school and, moreover, need additional hours, please email your CV/ resume to (no personal info - use the PM system), providing information about your availability and schedule as well as anything else you deem relevant.

PM me or send questions/CVs to (no personal info - use the PM system)

I will leave this post as is this time, but in future please post employment listings in the Marketplace area, and refrain from posting contact information

alterego
08-01-2008, 22:17
Good luck picking up good teachers at $25 an hour. You might get them at $35 if other conditions are favorable, i.e. location and time of classes.
Not bashing, just useful advice.

SalTheReturn
09-01-2008, 01:33
Good luck picking up good teachers at $25 an hour. You might get them at $35 if other conditions are favorable, i.e. location and time of classes.
Not bashing, just useful advice.

false, he has only to wait walking out schools like BKC and LL

dude, i was in the market (not teaching english of course) and saw tons of very good teachers being happy with even 25bucks per hour, this is why, when your salary is 800bucks a month you really need some cash

so my opinion is that he can find some teachers willing to get 25

free.p
09-01-2008, 15:51
My school is offering a minimum of $35 per academic hour. The $25 is for a one-month probationary period. A good enough teacher will easily see that month out.

I've been teaching for ten years and if I've learned anything it's that teachers can come over wonderfully at interview, can be qualified and experienced, and yet still be awful when it comes to it. The ones in that category who stick at it for years usually don't give a damn or are so thick-skinned that they actually BELIEVE they're good despite all signs to the contrary, ie. feedback.

That's why a probationary period is the only way to go about recruiting teachers.

alterego
09-01-2008, 16:37
I agree that probationary periods are a good thing, both for the empoyer and the employee. Gives them a chance to check each other out.
But do you charge less for your probationary classes?
If the teacher is good and you keep the teacher after that period do you pay them the difference at that time?
If the teacher is not so good will you keep them on at the $25 per hour rate?
What does being a good teacher have to do with being able to survive a 30% pay cut for one month?

I wish you the best of luck with your school but I think the only good teachers that you will get for that rate will be new to Moscow, unless you are offering excellent work conditions on top. For the most part excellent work conditions is not having to spend as much time traveling to lessons as you do in the lessons.
As I'm sure you know the English business is booming here in Moscow. A teacher going straight to a student can command quite a good rate. Inspite of that I would trade my travel time for more hours at a reduced rate and a permanent desk, especially in winter.

fpt
10-01-2008, 00:33
Well, there's no point getting into a philosophical debate about your reasoning on this one. Maybe it does depend to an extent on the way you look at it, but a probationary period is just that, surely. It's not $35 cut to $25, it's $25 with the certainty of a rise to $35 after a successful one-month trial, ie. no complaints; it's a period for the teacher to prove they're good enough to be on the staff. If they're not, it's zero dollars per academic hour and zero classes with us.

Good teachers want to work with other good teachers and be on the same pay grade.

As for 'surviving' for the 1st month on $25 per academic hour, the going rate in Moscow schools is usually less than that anyway. The bottom line is that the teacher isn't being cheated, even on 25. Given what the school has to pay, it's equitable. Of course, as you point out (a bit unfairly) it's more lucrative for the teacher if they can cut out the middleman altogether, but that only means that in the booming English-teaching market which you describe, the 'middleman' has to work that much harder to come up with ways of making himself indispensible to the teacher, ie. transportation, blocked timetables, compensation for cancelled classes, teaching resources, teacher development, pre-planned programmes, detailed lessons and visa support (last but unfortunately not least).

So, I suppose we don't disagree: freelance is great if it works for you, but a good school is worth having around too.

Bels
19-01-2008, 20:57
What about visa costs, flights and other costs plus accomadation. Can a teacher afford a flat in Moscow at $25 an academic hour. Taking that into consideraration that the major schools cover these costs, can you compete with that??

Try the expat vacancies before making a decision. In fact they're not great but probably better than this: Vacancies :: Moscow's virtual community for English speaking expats and Russians (http://expat.ru/vacancies.php)


A fine example from BKC

QOUTE:BKC

Freelance positions for teachers of English for demanding clients. Classes are mostly one on ones/ mini groups at the clients’ home or work place. Requirements: TEFL qualification (CELTA or Trinity TESOL), 2+ years experience in working with different kinds of programs (ESP courses, tailor-made courses, YL and/ or VYL), ability to cope with stressful situations, wear a suit or be neatly dressed. Rates are 1300 RUB per ac.hr for the lessons inside Moscow (transport expences are paid by the school) and 2000 RUB per ac.hr for the lessons outside Moscow (transport is provided by the school or client). Please contact recruitment department for more details. 9 or 6-month contracts with competitive package are also available.

Also try eslcafe.com and tefl.com for vacancies

Bels
19-01-2008, 21:08
There you are :) we do agree normally Alterego,

Korotky Gennady
20-01-2008, 14:08
I've been teaching for ten years and if I've learned anything it's that teachers can come over wonderfully at interview, can be qualified and experienced, and yet still be awful when it comes to it.




I am a teacher too. But i am not a english teacher of course... So please explane me how do you define it... that a teacher is good or awfully bad ? :eh:

I think that it's very important issue for every teacher here... :cheerleader:

SalTheReturn
20-01-2008, 18:20
I am a teacher too. But i am not a english teacher of course... So please explane me how do you define it... that a teacher is good or awfully bad ? :eh:

I think that it's very important issue for every teacher here... :cheerleader:

i guess teacher is bad when customer complaints?

Bels
20-01-2008, 22:40
i guess teacher is bad when customer complaints?

I u mean sal, that a teacher is bad when a customer complains. Problem is some complain when they don't know what they are talking about. Some believe in old soviet way, discuss all english techniques. Some of my parents of my pupils say I'm putting too much on their kids. Poblem is they are frustrated as they don't know any English, and find it unbelievable that they are speakin English without uch translation, that they are writing and have mesmorised the English alphabet and sounds before they have lean Russian. That they ae reading English beore comprehending the Russian written language. That they know their vocabularary of nouns in colours , poets clothes, days of the week, seasons tc without translation.

They think Russian should be taught with a lot of Russian translation and are upset to discover they don't need it, and are at a loss because they can't help their kids with their homework, because the don't understand.

Thankfully with parents meetings we manage to keep most of them and convince them that our methods are the best ways, and if they go anywhere else they won't speak English and communicate the way they do here. It's English to English and that's the only way it can be done effectively. And the kids love the game that the teacher doesn't know Russian or brings in the rule "NO RUSSIAN HERE"

SalTheReturn
21-01-2008, 01:41
right Bels, some people complain and have no idea what they are talking about

what i used to say them was "yes, yes, we will go the way you wish" but then keeping my method. after a while they were forgetting.

if a teacher start listening to each of his/her students he/she will get mad and become a worse teacher

btw Bels, are not you bored of teaching?

Korotky Gennady
21-01-2008, 02:09
Bels, anyway it's very difficult question... And i myself thought about it many times before...

And do you know to what resolution i came to ? Now they start to use the students testes for checking the level of education in our institute and i thing that it's very good thing though... becoz i'm sure that only the testes can show objectively... was it bad or was it good the teacher of some students.

MickeyTong
21-01-2008, 03:05
:question: Sorry Gennady....you have a good point, but I think you mean "tests".
testes = testicles
"use the students testes for checking the level of education in our institute"
If you use students' testes, you will be arrested.
A simple spelling mistake can make a biiiiiig difference to the meaning of a sentence......

Korotky Gennady
21-01-2008, 04:17
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"use the students testes for checking the level of education in our institute"
If you use students' testes, you will be arrested.

......


lol :D


:rant:

Bels
21-01-2008, 12:02
right Bels, some people complain and have no idea what they are talking about

what i used to say them was "yes, yes, we will go the way you wish" but then keeping my method. after a while they were forgetting.

if a teacher start listening to each of his/her students he/she will get mad and become a worse teacher

btw Bels, are not you bored of teaching?

I have no choice here sal, it's my life and my income therefore I strive to improve on it. Have you any other suggestions of what I could do here. Remember I live here now sal, and have lived here for four years now.

SalTheReturn
21-01-2008, 14:36
I have no choice here sal, it's my life and my income therefore I strive to improve on it. Have you any other suggestions of what I could do here. Remember I live here now sal, and have lived here for four years now.

no Bels, no suggestions simply coz i dunno you personally, dunno your educat.background/experience and all the like

do not take me wrong, i love teaching myself, after a year it gets so automatic that for me teaching 2 or 12 hrs it is the same. lately i got quite decent money re-using my lesson plans from last year (i store all my lesson plans in the computer), just some very little adjustments and job was done. this is what i love about teaching, and i won't mind doing it for some other time. also it is a great chance to finance your education and trips abroad.

though it may get as boring as hell, and for me on those moments it is very difficult to keep patient

good luck mate

PS. cant even imagine how boring must be the life of state schools teachers who have usually to follow ministerial programmes which will tell them "first trimester: first world war, birth of the USSR, etc...")

pjw
22-01-2008, 16:03
Free People is a new English school specialising in individual classes, with offices 4 minutes from Metro Sukharevskaya.


We pay native speakers a minimum of $35 per academic hour, following a one-month probationary period at $25 per academic hour.


We will provide visa support and a working visa to teachers who work full-time with us or, in some cases, to those part-time teachers who have distinguished themselves.



Interesting ad because Iīve been teaching in Germany since 94 and wanted to compare. Your location seems good if Iīd live near this station. Itīs important that too much travelling time is not lost. Help with Visa support sounds excellent, something a non-European language teacher generally could not get from a language school in Germany. Believe me I tried it. But could you get me a Russian visa if I came? Sorry to be pessimistic but I donīt think so.:question:

We get €25-35/hour (45mins) through schools + travelcosts to the companies. Privately itīs €50/hour minimum. Thatīs the absolute minimum that the school would charge as well anyway. I donīt know how you could ever live from working at one school. Not practical here. Can only work up to 50 hours/week as a freelance from my experience. Iīm happy to be freelance.

You guys need to remember itīs alot cheaper to live here in Germany than in the worldīs most expensive city.:vader:

Iīd be happy to do a probationary month. We both need this. But Iīm sorry, I can neither understand nor imagine any possible justification for this €25/ hour deal. Am awaiting your answer. Please explain the philosophy behind this?:question:

Korotky Gennady
22-01-2008, 16:29
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Iīd be happy to do a probationary month. We both need this. But Iīm sorry, I can neither understand nor imagine any possible justification for this €25/ hour deal. Am awaiting your answer. Please explain the philosophy behind this?:question:

Unfortunently he didn't give us any answer and i can only repeat my opinion that only tests ( My god ! I didn't mean testes ! ) can show it objectively how much good or how much bad was a teacher for his (her) students. Who among you ever had deal with russian students that man knows what i mean...

Sometimes the russian students are just plague...

Korotky Gennady
22-01-2008, 16:39
PS. cant even imagine how boring must be the life of state schools teachers who have usually to follow ministerial programmes which will tell them "first trimester: first world war, birth of the USSR, etc...")

I am glad that i am a state teacher becoz i am sure that not only money and the number of these money matter in our life... I never couldn't to work as a private teacher and i can understand how the western teachers can work only for the sake of money as they are writing about it here... I mean the man must have the ideals though... That's it.

pjw
22-01-2008, 16:52
I am glad that i am a state teacher becoz i am sure that not only money and the number of these money matter in our life... I never couldn't to work as a private teacher and i can understand how the western teachers can work only for the sake of money as they are writing about it here... I mean the man must have the ideals though... That's it.

Good comment. So letīs do a little test. Work without looking at the money, as you wish, for 30 days if you can. I canīt:vader::vader::vader::vader:

Ideals are important, the only reason we can teach, you canīt just teach for money, wouldnīt last 60 seconds, without a f.ing burning desire to bring the students on. A passion.:cheerleader::cheerleader::cheerleader::cheerleader:

I donīt need to worry much about the passion, mostly, but I spend most of my time in buses etc looking at my diary, :eh::eh:calculating when Iīm getting up to zero on my bank account. So hang me!:grind::grind:

Bels
22-01-2008, 20:53
I am glad that i am a state teacher becoz i am sure that not only money and the number of these money matter in our life... I never couldn't to work as a private teacher and i can understand how the western teachers can work only for the sake of money as they are writing about it here... I mean the man must have the ideals though... That's it.

My wife has been offered a job in the state school where we are, as an English teacher. The wage is unlivable and she can't afford a family in it. This pinis the issue, inflation is going up very fast here, the massive shopping bill is rising fast every wek. The point is we have a family and home to take care of.

Look at other new expats on here, discussing which international school they should put their kids into. Where should they live, in a big house the wesern oblast or a luxury 10 room flat in the centre of Moscow, what kind of car should they get, a BMW or a Range rover, How much is a housekeeper and a Nanny, all employed by other corporate companies.

And all a teacher can worry about is whether they are going to share a flat, and will they have a washing machine. Ludicrous treatment to Expats that's what it is. And if they lose out on this one months trial, will they at least have the money for the flight home.

pjw
22-01-2008, 21:17
And in Moscow or Russia or Ukraine or whatever? Isnīt it possible to just do it freelance? No fixed schools, just where ever. I know freelance sucks and that it makes us cowboys etc. but weīre doing our best, everyday, in the job we chose, and weīre fighting down to the last bullet as you know sometimes:vader::vader::vader::vader::vader: But the students are (maybe?) satisfied. 99%? Isnīt this - freelance - way the best way? At the end of the month?:smurf: What I mean by cowboy is: do 10 hours with one school, ten hours with the next etc and and and:evilgrin:

Bels
22-01-2008, 22:32
No! freelance is not the best way for students. They simply do a service for the schools to fill in the gaps. It's now very difficult for teachers to do it freelance legally, those teachers are now rare, and charge very high fees, I do believe they now need to be resident and have entrepeneurs license. They can invoice a school or a corporate company.

New teachers entering this country for perhaps a nine month contract would be seeking a major shool who cn give telephone interviews and accept them on at least a nine month contract with the full package of flight costs, accomadation, a legal work contract with visa and invitation paid for, health and sickness cover etc. They certainly should not be advised to join a company with a one months trial period without the security that their nine month contract is paid in full and have been covered for their travel costs home. Treat all expats as expats, and they may well have families to support.

There is a problem though, I've been doing a market for the possibility of opening a school in the future. I'm sorry to say the market is not good, whilst low fees exist. I can't understand how schools are currently existing with such low fees, and it's no wonder they can't afford to pay what teachers expect.

I have no idea how most of them are surviving. Yes there are high fees for children in the oblast area. But central moscow and the fees to rich corporate companies? Those having employees wondering how to find a cleaner? A full time nanny? Which luxury car and should they employ a driver? These companies are indirectly paying peanuts for their Russian corporate employees to learn English.

No sorry, I can't open a school under current market conditions. The only organization that did it right, was the British Council, and the left last year.

Schools are trying to compete with fees coming from a Language centre claiming to be a non profit making organisation. You can't compete in price with a non-profit making organisation. You have to market yourself the best. Like a little jewel in the crown perhaps, that kind of direction.

pjw
22-01-2008, 22:44
:eh:Itīs different to here Bels. I get the feeling. The number of hours you can work as a freelance (up to 50). The hours of a full-time contract ( no more than 30) Freelance here is the way to go. I was one of the only full-timers here, on the one hand itīs security, but I was earning sh.t:vader::vader::vader::vader::vader::vader:

SalTheReturn
22-01-2008, 22:52
I am glad that i am a state teacher becoz i am sure that not only money and the number of these money matter in our life... I never couldn't to work as a private teacher and i can understand how the western teachers can work only for the sake of money as they are writing about it here... I mean the man must have the ideals though... That's it.

i was talking about money but boredom

in italy state school teachers have to follow guidelines and it can be pretty boring

SalTheReturn
22-01-2008, 22:56
My wife has been offered a job in the state school where we are, as an English teacher. The wage is unlivable and she can't afford a family in it. This pinis the issue, inflation is going up very fast here, the massive shopping bill is rising fast every wek. The point is we have a family and home to take care of.

Look at other new expats on here, discussing which international school they should put their kids into. Where should they live, in a big house the wesern oblast or a luxury 10 room flat in the centre of Moscow, what kind of car should they get, a BMW or a Range rover, How much is a housekeeper and a Nanny, all employed by other corporate companies.

And all a teacher can worry about is whether they are going to share a flat, and will they have a washing machine. Ludicrous treatment to Expats that's what it is. And if they lose out on this one months trial, will they at least have the money for the flight home.

you must be kidding me dude!!!

those of the first kind are expats the other (eng.teachers) are low profile workers whom, in most western countries, schools would not even hire them

someone moving to moscow on a real expat package he/she is someone who studied and hold the attributes for a real profession

now it is not clear to me why you wanna compare them to people who have taken a worthless TEFL certificate in Prague

disappointed Bels, disappointed

pjw
22-01-2008, 23:00
i was talking about money but boredom

in italy state school teachers have to follow guidelines and it can be pretty boring

Yes, I know this system. And youīre right, itīs boring. We gotta do what makes us healthy, what makes us feel good, to work in order that our souls can find peace somehow. Or am I being too deep and meaningful?:vader::vader::vader::vader::vader::vader::vader::vader::vader:

Korotky Gennady
22-01-2008, 23:27
Yes, I know this system. And youīre right, itīs boring. We gotta do what makes us healthy, what makes us feel good, to work in order that our souls can find peace somehow. Or am I being too deep and meaningful?:vader::vader::vader::vader::vader::vader::vader::vader::vader:

:eh: Unfortunently i don't understand what kind of guidelines does he mean ?... Who knows maybe i am lucky but i have no instructions from my chief... Never nobody interfere in my teaching process... And i know that it is very usual situation for Russia. So i can't understand this boredom... :eh:

Korotky Gennady
22-01-2008, 23:32
The contant of my lectures... i always write it on my own. And it is considered here as a sign of qualification of the teacher if a teacher himself (herself) can form the contant of his lessons...

Bels
22-01-2008, 23:57
The contant of my lectures... i always write it on my own. And it is considered here as a sign of qualification of the teacher if a teacher himself (herself) can form the contant of his lessons...

YES!! but do you also follow a national curriculum when you write your plans. For example I;'ve recently had criticism, some of my students have had poor marks from the Russian testing system of teaching system. Lots of arguments with my wife. Am I teaching them correctly? Well they are communicating, they have been assessed, under cambridge system. Yes my best who I taught from starter overwhelm the government system, but those who strated with me on third level, and have been abseb=nt due ti sickness etc. Why should I be blamed!! Why not the state school teacher who;'s confusing them with another system.

Still I will say no more until I see the the facts, we have decided to study the Russian state school system or curriculum as we say in Britain and go with this system. When I see more I will let you know. It looks like for Russia we shouldn't go for Cambridge YLE and KET, but to study their system . AND THEN manipulate it our way. So!! I'm still learning, and I need the assisatance of my linguistic expert wife to guide me.

pjw
23-01-2008, 00:16
:eh: Unfortunently i don't understand what kind of guidelines does he mean ?... Who knows maybe i am lucky but i have no instructions from my chief... Never nobody interfere in my teaching process... And i know that it is very usual situation for Russia. So i can't understand this boredom... :eh:

Heīs talking about someone telling him
1.what to teach, 2. what his students want and 3. if you wanna work with us, do this, Senor

pjw
23-01-2008, 00:18
Bels,

You know youīre a good teacher, if you are a good teacher. You sound ok to me from how weīve "spoken" up to now

pjw
23-01-2008, 00:21
Heīs talking about someone telling him
1.what to teach, 2. what his students want and 3. if you wanna work with us, do this, Senor

And I donīt wanna be the only one whoīs giving out the strokes tonight, but you too Korotky Gennady. You sound like you know your stuff solid too

Bels
23-01-2008, 12:32
:eh:Itīs different to here Bels. I get the feeling. The number of hours you can work as a freelance (up to 50). The hours of a full-time contract ( no more than 30) Freelance here is the way to go. I was one of the only full-timers here, on the one hand itīs security, but I was earning sh.t:vader::vader::vader::vader::vader::vader:

How do you deal with the new laws, if you don't have an invitation from the right school. 90 days in and ninety days out, very difficult unless you have residency and an entrepeneurs license to invoice them.

SalTheReturn
23-01-2008, 15:38
How do you deal with the new laws, if you don't have an invitation from the right school. 90 days in and ninety days out, very difficult unless you have residency and an entrepeneurs license to invoice them.

bels stop scaring perspective teachers. our plan is to come to moscow with no visa and steal the all of your clients. fasten your seat-belt mate:queen:

xSnoofovich
23-01-2008, 16:05
How do you deal with the new laws, if you don't have an invitation from the right school. 90 days in and ninety days out, very difficult unless you have residency and an entrepeneurs license to invoice them.

Bels - there are lots of ways to do things. Everything is possible. Just think outside of the box.

xSnoofovich
23-01-2008, 16:24
btw - bels - do you know the difference between a non profit ( ANO ) company, and a for profit company (OOO, OAO, ZAO) ? and from your Entrep. license (sp?)

Apart from the taxes ?

Korotky Gennady
23-01-2008, 20:50
And I donīt wanna be the only one whoīs giving out the strokes tonight, but you too Korotky Gennady. You sound like you know your stuff solid too

pjw, thank you it was very pleasing for me to hear it but as you can understand it... our dear bels do the same in his teaching english...

And of course i have the state guidlines from the state education department but my direct chief never demand me to follow these guidelines...

But i think that of course that it's very good that these guidelines and the state text-books exist... becoz they must not hinder but help the teacher to do his ( or her ) job. :cheerleader:

Bels
23-01-2008, 21:58
Korotky, do you know anything about these new state controlled exams for government schools. That's the main reason my wife wants to change the guidelines of how we will teach in the near future.

is4fun
23-01-2008, 22:20
Free People is a new English school specialising in individual classes, with offices 4 minutes from Metro Sukharevskaya.

We are seeking TEFL/ CELTA-qualified teachers, preferably with experience in teaching one-to-one. Native speakers are preferred, but Russian applicants with Cambridge Proficiency and a pedagogical background will also be considered.


We pay native speakers a minimum of $35 per academic hour, following a one-month probationary period at $25 per academic hour.


We will provide visa support and a working visa to teachers who work full-time with us or, in some cases, to those part-time teachers who have distinguished themselves.


We are recruiting throughout January, 2008. If you are interested in being involved with an exciting new school and, moreover, need additional hours, please email your CV/ resume to (no personal info - use the PM system), providing information about your availability and schedule as well as anything else you deem relevant.

PM me or send questions/CVs to (no personal info - use the PM system)

I will leave this post as is this time, but in future please post employment listings in the Marketplace area, and refrain from posting contact information

First of all I would like to commend the judgement of the site administrator to allow this post. I am not a teacher, however, the person who placed the opportunity had a single interesting proposition: he offered a work visa for part time worker... Obviously, this post was directed to existing free-lance teachers in Moscow who have no ability to attain one. If I am wrong I will take the heat but, if I had a school I would go about it the same way.

pjw
23-01-2008, 22:35
First of all I would like to commend the judgement of the site administrator to allow this post. I am not a teacher, however, the person who placed the opportunity had a single interesting proposition: he offered a work visa for part time worker... Obviously, this post was directed to existing free-lance teachers in Moscow who have no ability to attain one. If I am wrong I will take the heat but, if I had a school I would go about it the same way.

:eh:I canīt imagine why they are offering €25 during probation except to save money. Perhaps you understand and would like to share your insight?:elf:

Bels
23-01-2008, 22:47
btw - bels - do you know the difference between a non profit ( ANO ) company, and a for profit company (OOO, OAO, ZAO) ? and from your Entrep. license (sp?)

Apart from the taxes ?

Well yes, Russia is a little different from Uk of whom I undertand more.

An entrepeneurs license is basically what it says, it's for individuals like a sole proprietor or pricipkle. You are you and are liable for everything personally such as debts, the taxes are simple and can be done yourself, you market yourself and not as a company. The registering is cheap and straightforward. Not all businesses can be entrepeneurs, you cannot be an oil company for example. Apparently there are some things you can't do as an entrepeneur, such as open a school and get it licensed. You must be a legal entity and to them that means a company. That also means that an entrepeneur can't give invitations and employ foreigners.

A company. In the UK its a limited company, meaning limited liability and means you can close a company without the directors being personally liable to debts. It might be a little different in Russia.

To form a company I consider much more complicated and more expensive. You will need the expertise of lawyers and chartered accountants. You will have to declare audited to a central company house, only an expensive chartered accountant can do this.
Directers are not considered owners, they are considered employees of the company they have formed, and must also pay normal income tax like everyone else. As wellas pay capital and profit tax on behalf of its company.

A non-profit making company is a company who must have their account balanced with no profit at the end of the year. Of course a director may well have a very good income if the company is successful. I do believe the Russians call this a commercialised company. Something we were pursuaded to be if we decide to expand and become a school

Bels
23-01-2008, 23:03
:eh:I canīt imagine why they are offering €25 during probation except to save money. Perhaps you understand and would like to share your insight?:elf:


He did place the advert in the teachers discussion folder rather than the classifieds. therefore he must have been aware he would have comments and discussions from teachers. This Ģ25 iprobation is done in Britain for employees working in Britain, but it's rather dangerous and suspicious for foreighners visiting a strange country to be mployed by them. If anything visitors coming to a country for the first time should be treated with something much more welcoming. Are they going to sack them after a month with no package and no means of funds of going home for exampke. What kind of way is that to treat expats. It;'s a nine month contract or nothing. That's final!

And now he's in the teachers older he should finalise this thread, to protect his credibility and his school.

SalTheReturn
24-01-2008, 01:47
He did place the advert in the teachers discussion folder rather than the classifieds. therefore he must have been aware he would have comments and discussions from teachers. This Ģ25 iprobation is done in Britain for employees working in Britain, but it's rather dangerous and suspicious for foreighners visiting a strange country to be mployed by them. If anything visitors coming to a country for the first time should be treated with something much more welcoming. Are they going to sack them after a month with no package and no means of funds of going home for exampke. What kind of way is that to treat expats. It;'s a nine month contract or nothing. That's final!

And now he's in the teachers older he should finalise this thread, to protect his credibility and his school.

Bels the treatment of expats in Moscow is usually a freaking good salary, a centered apartment and a driver, you are becoming quite ridicolous by insisting on portraying TEFL online qualified teachers as expats and qualified worker

a plumber in italy is paid 3 times more than a Brit TEFLing with his backpack

really dude, be more honest and objective

Ps. 9months contracts are given by the BigMac schools...is that you are advising perspective teachers to do? No you cant because you do not know the flats they will be put in

Bels
24-01-2008, 12:07
Sal, how do you know what it's like here as a teacher. you're a student living in Italy who has had a few weeks in Russia as a student. What is, is not necessarily rightious, you don't experience the rising cost of living here and what a teacher needs to have for a decent respectable living here.

So how would you know Sal, and your minimal amount of experience here is now well out of date.

Bels
24-01-2008, 12:17
Bels the treatment of expats in Moscow is usually a freaking good salary, a centered apartment and a driver,

Ps. 9months contracts are given by the BigMac schools.


Thanks Sal, I'm glad we agree on something :)

SalTheReturn
24-01-2008, 13:29
Sal, how do you know what it's like here as a teacher. you're a student living in Italy who has had a few weeks in Russia as a student. What is, is not necessarily rightious, you don't experience the rising cost of living here and what a teacher needs to have for a decent respectable living here.

So how would you know Sal, and your minimal amount of experience here is now well out of date.

Bels can you for Gods sake make post which are relevant to what the previous posters have written?

how the hell can you teach english if you are so confused yourself? thats a mistery to me

disappointed and off

pjw
24-01-2008, 13:43
Bels the treatment of expats in Moscow is usually a freaking good salary, a centered apartment and a driver, you are becoming quite ridicolous by insisting on portraying TEFL online qualified teachers as expats and qualified worker

a plumber in italy is paid 3 times more than a Brit TEFLing with his backpack

really dude, be more honest and objective

Ps. 9months contracts are given by the BigMac schools...is that you are advising perspective teachers to do? No you cant because you do not know the flats they will be put in

Hi Sal,
Are you really saying that an expat gets all these things in Moscow like a driver, a flat etc? I cannot believe that these positions are so hard to fill and that supply is so low. Unbelievable. Do all the teachers really roll up to work in the morning in their private taxis? I have never seen this in any country. Unbelievable.

So if I use the metro, am I gonna get to keep my driver money?:respect:

Bels
24-01-2008, 14:25
Hi Sal,
Are you really saying that an expat gets all these things in Moscow like a driver, a flat etc? I cannot believe that these positions are so hard to fill and that supply is so low. Unbelievable. Do all the teachers really roll up to work in the morning in their private taxis? I have never seen this in any country. Unbelievable.

So if I use the metro, am I gonna get to keep my driver money?:respect:

Look at some of the threads in the family section and you will see what me and Sal mean. Wow!! me and Sal are in agreement of what us expats expect, aren't we Sal :)

SalTheReturn
24-01-2008, 15:26
Look at some of the threads in the family section and you will see what me and Sal mean. Wow!! me and Sal are in agreement of what us expats expect, aren't we Sal :)

it is an old joke bels and no longer works

PJW, do you know the car with which school in Moscow pick teacher at airport? till last March was still a decadent lada!!!

real expats is a different thing mate, TEFL teachers (online qualified as it is the case of EDITED MYSELF) are low-rank labour and cannot claim no social prestige nor real benefits

Bels
24-01-2008, 17:52
We are not talking about the past Sal, and how badly teachers were treated. We are talking about how decent teachers should be treated, and that they should be treated like expats, of what we are. We are not talking about back-packers. And we are talking about those who live here or are seeking a decent contract here, now and not yesteryears.

pjw
24-01-2008, 18:07
it is an old joke bels and no longer works

PJW, do you know the car with which school in Moscow pick teacher at airport? till last March was still a decadent lada!!!

real expats is a different thing mate, TEFL teachers (online qualified as it is the case of EDITED MYSELF) are low-rank labour and cannot claim no social prestige nor real benefits

Hi Sal, Hi Bels,

Sounds like you guys got some kinda family thing going on. Am not gonna touch that. Only joking guys.:nut:

OK I wonīt get excited about a bmw. But even a lada is more than Iīve got here. I just heard yous talking about company cars and company flats and started to think oh wow thereīs a teaching world out there somewhere where you not always looking to get back up to 0 on the bank account.:vader:

In fact it all sounds very similar to where I am. Working hard. Just getting enough to keep us off the streets :rasta:

SalTheReturn
24-01-2008, 18:32
Hi Sal, Hi Bels,

Sounds like you guys got some kinda family thing going on. Am not gonna touch that. Only joking guys.:nut:

OK I wonīt get excited about a bmw. But even a lada is more than Iīve got here. I just heard yous talking about company cars and company flats and started to think oh wow thereīs a teaching world out there somewhere where you not always looking to get back up to 0 on the bank account.:vader:

In fact it all sounds very similar to where I am. Working hard. Just getting enough to keep us off the streets :rasta:

in moscow you can do some decent money with teaching but as same as user EDITED you will have to break russian laws

and know what? the guy is even proud about that!!!

Bels
24-01-2008, 19:42
Who's proud of breaking the law here Sal, previous posts here show the opposite. Teachers want to work here legally and for a decent respectable family income. whether it be for a proper employed teacher with a legal contract, a freelancer or to be self employed independantly.

PJW, Sal doesn't live here, he lives in Italy and he's a student, he has no idea of the laws and what it's like to live here as a family.

He's confusing people on this thread. He can't even be bothered to study the visa and residency section of this forum. We all intend to be legal here, including me. And don't you forget that.

Korotky Gennady
24-01-2008, 20:32
Bels the treatment of expats in Moscow is usually a freaking good salary, a centered apartment and a driver, you are becoming quite ridicolous by insisting on portraying TEFL online qualified teachers as expats and qualified worker






:eek: Now i know at last what the word "expat" means...

SalTheReturn
24-01-2008, 20:37
Who's proud of breaking the law here Sal, previous posts here show the oppsite. Teachers want to work here legally and for a decent respectable family income. whtether it be for a proper employed teacher with a legal contract, freelance or be self employed independantly.

PJW, Sal doesn't live here, he lives in Italy and he's a student, he has no idea of the laws and what it's like to live here as a family.

He's confusing people on this thread. He can't even be bothered to study the visa and residency section of this forum. We all intend to be legal here, including me. And don't you forget that.

pretty rich from someone who usually misquote most of the people in here and read half of what others write.

do whatever you want Bels, enjoy your family as well, but dont try to build a lobby of TEFL because thats impossible

you are not academics never forget that, live with that

Bels
24-01-2008, 20:47
What are you looking for Sal, living in Italy studying. For work opportunities in Russia, what's your sense of purpose? Which positive direction do you want for teachers in the city of Moscow?

SalTheReturn
24-01-2008, 21:37
What are you looking for Sal, living in Italy studying. For work opportunities in Russia, what's your sense of purpose? Which positive direction do you want for teachers in the city of Moscow?

FOREWORD:
the above message is in broken english

BODY:
I want teachers to be happy, I want all people to be happy. I do not want teachers to be fooled by BigMacSchool or your misleading/full of it posts.

CONCLUSION:
I am the one they would better listen to, not someone like you who feels like putting down dogmas rather than senseless words. Speaking about cars when comes to TEFL or try to compare them with expat managers or other qualified (because you do not call a qualification a TEFL taken in Prague and spared to all ThirldWorlder who can afford the school fees. By the end the DOS will even issue you a ref letter LOL LOL LOL) workers, thats not only ridicolous (and misleading fore newbies) but also offensive towards those who invested serious cash and energy in their education.

Bels
24-01-2008, 23:18
FOREWORD:
the above message is in broken english

BODY:
I want teachers to be happy, I want all people to be happy. I do not want teachers to be fooled by BigMacSchool or your misleading/full of it posts.

CONCLUSION:
I am the one they would better listen to, not someone like you who feels like putting down dogmas rather than senseless words. Speaking about cars when comes to TEFL or try to compare them with expat managers or other qualified (because you do not call a qualification a TEFL taken in Prague and spared to all ThirldWorlder who can afford the school fees. By the end the DOS will even issue you a ref letter LOL LOL LOL) workers, thats not only ridicolous (and misleading fore newbies) but also offensive towards those who invested serious cash and energy in their education.

I can't say anymore to you Sal, you make no sense and you have no experience of this country. I've been living and working in this country with a Russian family for four years now as a teacher, same as my wife.

Now how on earth can you criticise me when you are living as a student in Italy and kept by your mother. Why do you have so much interest in the teachers discussion folder trying to always put us off topic. Are you an EFL teacher, and are you living here? NO!

What do others think of what I'm trying to state here.

pjw
25-01-2008, 00:09
I can't say anymore to you Sal, you make no sense and you have no experience of this country. I've been living and working in this country with a Russian family for four years now as a teacher, same as my wife.

Now how on earth can you criticise me when you are living as a student in Italy and kept by your mother. Why do you have so much interest in the teachers discussion folder trying to always put us off topic. Are you an EFL teacher, and are you living here? NO!

What do others think of what I'm trying to state here.

:rasta:My comment is this. I know you both a short time, but I like what you say. Both of you. Letīs not fight. Weīre intelligent, although sometimes we got different opinions.

Thatīs what makes the forum unique. This is my first forum. This is my second week. I love it. On it all the time. Iīm thinking about things on the bus, ideas, analysing things in ways I normally wouldnīt. I like the pair of you. So stop bickering. Sal, one bowdown cos you got an idea from Moscow. :bowdown:Bels, you live there. Let me find the worshipper:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown: for your 4 years and 1 for your family. But remember Iīm in Germany so also not in the big M or the big R. But Sal and me are interested in these things. One more bowdown to Sal :bowdown:

You guys can discuss stuff real nice man knowwhatamsayingman? :rasta: Donīt close eachother off. Donspoilit man. Forget this little fight. It was my fault, talking about your drivers and stuff. I thought, hey dudes, Iīm coming immediately! You 2 are 2 of the most intelligent on the site, but fighting is ..............please just stop it yeah. :rasta:

Bels
25-01-2008, 00:19
For those who have known this forum for a long period of time, knows Sal and about his bickering. Look at his post numbers on the right hand corner. And look at mine. And look at the membership dates.

Now let's get back to topic. What do teachers think, those who are in Moscow, and those who are thinking about it are welcome to comment. And also prospective students are welcome to comment.

pjw
25-01-2008, 00:35
For those who have known this forum for a long period of time, knows Sal and about his bickering. Look at his post numbers on the right hand corner. And look at mine. And look at the membership dates.

Now let's get back to topic. What do teachers think, those who are in Moscow, and those who are thinking about it are welcome to comment. And also prospective students are welcome to comment.

:rasta:Exactly Bels! Letīs not look at and compare post sizes, you show me yours, Iīll show you mine etc. Letīs talk about teaching as thatīs our reason to be here. AND WE ARE ON THE FRONTLINE!

Both of you, Sal and Bels AND YOU KG are good teachers. And I base this on the fact that only a good teacher will:
1. think about what makes a good teacher:thumbsup:
2. and discuss it:thumbsup::thumbsup:
3. and implement it WITH MONKEYS! Sorry, I of course mean to say the clients, oh my god, students:rasta:

Bels
25-01-2008, 12:04
:rasta:Exactly Bels! Letīs not look at and compare post sizes, you show me yours, Iīll show you mine etc. Letīs talk about teaching as thatīs our reason to be here. AND WE ARE ON THE FRONTLINE!

Both of you, Sal and Bels AND YOU KG are good teachers. And I base this on the fact that only a good teacher will:
1. think about what makes a good teacher:thumbsup:
2. and discuss it:thumbsup::thumbsup:
3. and implement it WITH MONKEYS! Sorry, I of course mean to say the clients, oh my god, students:rasta:

That's my point, he's not a teacher, he's a student living in Italy. And I'm trying to work out where he's coming from.

This is what I see from Sal's views. He wants teachers to be chauffered with drivers in old 1970 Ladas to keep the price of students fees down. But he has no intention to coming to Russia for his education. He's better off going to Great Britain as an EU member and get his education either heavily subsidised by our country, or if he plays his cards right free of charge.

He has no desire for teachers with families here to have a decent standard of living here in Russia, because he believes that unsubsidised school fees should be kept cheap for students.

Not forgetting that the majority of students are employed by wealthy corporate companies who pay for these school fees. That these same corporate companies pay very good wages to their employees yet not to the teacher who suffers financially due to the low fees they are offered to pay by the schools.

My survey with the assistance of my wife (because fees are normally stated or discussed in Russian) have found that schools are not charging enough to cover the costs of what their employees need in income and conditions.

It's ok sal, I'm ok in the oblast teaching children. That's different. And I have no desire to go to Moscow and compete there. I'm concerned about other teachers trying to live here with families. It took me four years to get established independantly with my wife, and it was tough. It still is, due to this high rate of inflation, of which you don't experience here Sal.

The British Council had the right idea of marketing, and they were the most successful. But unfortunately they are not here anymore.

xSnoofovich
25-01-2008, 15:06
The British Council had the right idea of marketing, and they were the most successful.

NO, they weren't

Bels
25-01-2008, 18:59
NO, they weren't

The right idea in marketing English lessons. for example providing a good quality service in teaching English, and a marketable fee for students in order to afford to provide this quality service and pay a respectable income package for their teachers.

What do you by weren't. Remember they are still operating successfully in most countries.