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Russian Lad
01-02-2014, 21:34
This article here says that, according to a rather official census, 0% (zero percent) of Russians are planning to go to the Olympics spending their own money:
http://news.mail.ru/society/16764223/?frommail=1

So, I assume the "spectators" will be comprised of paid personnel, the police and foreigners. This is a total failure of the anti-people regime in Russia. :11513::cheerleader::coffee::10220::confused:

robertmf
02-02-2014, 00:15
So, I assume the "spectators" will be comprised of paid personnel, the police and foreigners. This is a total failure of the anti-people regime in Russia. :11513::cheerleader::coffee::10220::confused:

VVP can always order soldiers in mufti to fill the stands

Sana
02-02-2014, 00:43
Even if I had time and extra resources that would allow me to go, I wouldn't go because I feel it may be very dangerous there. Terror acts threats, poor quality constructions, human rights abuse the same as in Moscow for the time being for ordinary people....very scary for me.

mrzuzzo
02-02-2014, 00:47
So?

I'm sure there is not a single sport event in any country where over 1% of the population attends of that country...

Remington
02-02-2014, 01:21
Even if I had time and extra resources that would allow me to go, I wouldn't go because I feel it may be very dangerous there. Terror acts threats, poor quality constructions, human rights abuse the same as in Moscow for the time being for ordinary people....very scary for me.

Sochi is a tiny town (not city) with terrible infrastructures. Most people will have to go to Sochi via Moscow. If it was hosted in Moscow then it'll be much better.

Russian Lad
02-02-2014, 01:48
So?

I'm sure there is not a single sport event in any country where over 1% of the population attends of that country...

I strongly doubt such was the case, say, in the US or when the Olympics were held in Moscow in the USSR - it was clearly a nation-wide event. Otherwise, why organize the Olympics? Just to steal money??? It seems to be the case here with Sochi.
Can you support your claim with any statistical reports? :)

BabyFirefly
02-02-2014, 01:49
Yeah, to be fair, I don't think locals very much attend any of these types of events.... and in Sochi? Eugh.

mrzuzzo
02-02-2014, 03:03
I strongly doubt such was the case, say, in the US or when the Olympics were held in Moscow in the USSR - it was clearly a nation-wide event. Otherwise, why organize the Olympics? Just to steal money??? It seems to be the case here with Sochi.
Can you support your claim with any statistical reports? :)


1% of Russia's population is 1.4 million people.

Sochi Olympics have a total of ~1.1 million spectator tickets available.

Even if the tickets were sold only to Russians, 1% of Russians still wouldn't be able to go.

Simple math, no need for statistics.

This thread is as stupid as your miserable attempts at constantly trying to discredit everything to do with Russian government.

Russian Lad
02-02-2014, 03:18
1% of Russia's population is 1.4 million people.

Sochi Olympics have a total of ~1.1 million spectator tickets available.

Even if the tickets were sold only to Russians, 1% of Russians still wouldn't be able to go.

Simple math, no need for statistics.

This thread is as stupid as your miserable attempts at constantly trying to discredit everything to do with Russian government.

No one from the Russians I know is going or planning to. Here on this forum I haven't heard about any Russians going there for leisure time using their own funds. Have you joined Edinaya Rossiya yet??? I have a picture of you taken in Russia, let me find it. Here:

mrzuzzo
02-02-2014, 03:21
No one from the Russians I know is going or planning to. Have you joined Edinaya Rossiya yet??? I have a picture of you taken in Russia, let me find it.

Because to go you need quite a bit of money and spare time.

I don't know any Canadians who went to the past Olympics either...

Russian Lad
02-02-2014, 03:22
See above, make it your new avatar:))))) Read the comments under that article there, you will see how most of the Russians view the coming games.:) I didn't coerce them to write what they wrote...

vossy7
02-02-2014, 03:25
So?

I'm sure there is not a single sport event in any country where over 1% of the population attends of that country...

Mr Z you have overlooked the Irish free Guinness Olympiad where over 50 % of the population turn out, ahh s$%^& , I've just woken up:bash:

Benedikt
02-02-2014, 05:14
[QUOTE=Russian Lad;1272883]This article here says that, according to a rather official census, 0% (zero percent) of Russians are planning to go to the Olympics spending their own money:
http://news.mail.ru/society/16764223/?frommail=1


and see if there were empty stadia, paid soldiers and the like to fill the ranks and so forth.
i find it a disgrace that so many people and a few in particular are trying to find anything WRONG WHAT IS GOING ON IN SOCHI.
Sochi and krasnaya polana is not a 2 weeks event and than forgotten. it is not Sarajevo (were pictures were posted) but it will be a success story for many years to come.
Anyone of you -know it all- has been in Sochi/Krasnaya Polana and up to the top of the mountain? Anyone has used the old Adler Airport? Anyone been driving/been driven up the old Gorge Road to Krasnaya Polana? I have.
And Sochi will be a success, despite all the nay sayers here. And Krasnaya Polana will be as well, for many years to come.

(And not to a small part thank you to my little Austria. WHAT they did and who was involved and why, you can find out if you want, but one thing is for sure, quality was delivered and the advice given and support would not have been if there was not a sound reason behind it. And MONEY was not always the driving factor behind it)

Russian Lad
02-02-2014, 06:23
i find it a disgrace that so many people and a few in particular are trying to find anything WRONG WHAT IS GOING ON IN SOCHI.

Anything wrong??? How about everything f'cking wrong??!!!!! Read the comments!!! Like 99% of Russians there say: "We don't need this s;it!"
1 TRILLION 536 BILLION RUBLES HAVE BEEN SPENT THERE!!!! THAT'S ABOUT 45 BILLION DOLLARS!!! THAT'S HALF OF WHAT RUSSIA SPENDS ON MEDICINE PER YEAR!!! That's around 320 dollars to each Russian, including babies and babushkas. Roughly - a monthly salary-pension. How many do you think would have taken the money?:) A new health center could be built in EVERY relatively big Russian city for this chunk of cash. Watch out for the new Forbes magazine - the number of dollar millionaires and billionaires in Russia is on a steep rise. While the others are learning how to make and to throw Molotov cocktails...

See, the way this mechanism has worked, so-called "private investors" were seemingly in abundance, then these "investors" reached the agreement that their expenses will be paid by the state.
I worked in construction-related industries for like a decade, you would not believe what is going on there. It is not the same as cooking, Ben, the money of a totally different scale is involved.


And MONEY was not always the driving factor behind it

Don't make me laugh, you are a grown-up man... Not always, ok, make it 99%.

bydand
02-02-2014, 09:05
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Gervais
02-02-2014, 09:26
i find it a disgrace that so many people and a few in particular are trying to find anything WRONG WHAT IS GOING ON IN SOCHI.


Worrying indeed. Don't get me wrong... Things taking the wrong turn need to be reported and talked about. I'm counting on the media here. However I have the same impression. On this forum but also in the news channels (which I consult). Hard to find anything posititive there. Not even talk about sports... Olympics was about sports in the end !? :D
Of course money is a driving factor. This however is NO unique fact about Sochi. It has been always that way.I do hope (for the sake of the Olympics in general) that Sochi will turn out to be positive for the world and Russia in particular.

And RL... your math's might be correct but if major medical infrastructure is missingl in Russia, this is NOT to be blamed on Sochi alone...

Gervais
02-02-2014, 09:29
This thread is as stupid as your miserable attempts at constantly trying to discredit everything to do with Russian government.

... or Russian women :redcard:

TolkoRaz
02-02-2014, 12:15
The Olympics is a Global event, it will be visited by many of our World's nationalities including a significant number of Russians. I know Russians who are going, some will be there for the entire 2 weeks.

Am quite perplexed as to why people are denigrating an event which has not even taken place yet!

The Russian Federation will successfully host a spectacular event and the Federation will be proud :)

Alan65
02-02-2014, 12:46
So?

I'm sure there is not a single sport event in any country where over 1% of the population attends of that country...

Over 1% of Englands population watch football every week, in Scotland Rangers and Celtics attendance alone is greater than 1%

TolkoRaz
02-02-2014, 13:07
Watching TV is different to actually attending the event! ;)

Am quite sure there will be millions of Russians watching the Olympic Events on the TV each night, and a significant number during the day (when not on expat.ru)!

Alan65
02-02-2014, 13:55
Watching TV is different to actually attending the event! ;)

Am quite sure there will be millions of Russians watching the Olympic Events on the TV each night, and a significant number during the day (when not on expat.ru)!

The premier league alone gets attendances of 400 k per week, then add on the lower leagues

Celtic Park and Ibrox both hold circa 45 k which is almost 1% of Scotland population just for one team :10310:

Now is we took the global audience of the Premier league :soccer:

robertmf
02-02-2014, 16:48
Watching TV is different to actually attending the event! ;)


Yes. Watching on TV is better ;)

Russian Lad
02-02-2014, 17:43
It has been always that way.

Wrong. In 1980 it was surely not about money.


if major medical infrastructure is missingl in Russia, this is NOT to be blamed on Sochi alone...

Why put words into my mouth??? Quote me "blaming it on Sochi alone".
The money they have embezzled is staggering. I guess the motto of the Putinist Olympics should be "Enjoy the Games, proles!" Even the Russian proles seem to realize though that, once again, they have been screwed, not just tampered with...


... or Russian women

Try porn instead of nudity, it pays more...

Gervais
02-02-2014, 20:58
Wrong. In 1980 it was surely not about money.



Why put words into my mouth??? Quote me "blaming it on Sochi alone".
The money they have embezzled is staggering. I guess the motto of the Putinist Olympics should be "Enjoy the Games, proles!" Even the Russian proles seem to realize though that, once again, they have been screwed, not just tampered with...



Try porn instead of nudity, it pays more...

1. true for once :D
2. so why don't you get our and change this than just complaining ?
3. I earn reasonable bucks on neither of these two... so thanks for your kind but useless advise

Russian Lad
02-02-2014, 21:07
2. so why don't you get our and change this than just complaining ?

I am not complaining, I am informing. One cannot do it alone, but I will surely join the fun when it erupts. Unless I am busy in Thailand, that is.

Alan65
02-02-2014, 21:10
I am not complaining, I am informing. One cannot do it alone, but I will surely join the fun when it erupts. Unless I am busy in Thailand, that is.

Something I find purely coincidental is how the Boston bombers trial has started a week before Sochi...surely this is not stage managed?

Gervais
02-02-2014, 21:35
Something I find purely coincidental is how the Boston bombers trial has started a week before Sochi...surely this is not stage managed?

sure it is... so what ?

Jas
02-02-2014, 21:46
I remember the london Olympics, read me posts from back then, people was coming out and slagging us off even using the games against immigrant communities. And what happened? It wasnt the disaster they told it wud be, visitors came to east london and far from being in the imagined ghetto where they wud all get robbed and sacrificed to eastern gods, guess what, they had a nice time.

So some downclass pathetic little extremists in russia are hoping to shame russia cos they hate the idea russia will look good and just want to promote their own stoopid agenda what noone wants. So sochi will be fantastic, the games will be lovely, the little bear will be 5he ambassador of frienship, and everyone will have a great time.

Gervais
02-02-2014, 21:52
I remember the london Olympics, read me posts from back then, people was coming out and slagging us off even using the games against immigrant communities. And what happened? It wasnt the disaster they told it wud be, visitors came to east london and far from being in the imagined ghetto where they wud all get robbed and sacrificed to eastern gods, guess what, they had a nice time.

So some downclass pathetic little extremists in russia are hoping to shame russia cos they hate the idea russia will look good and just want to promote their own stoopid agenda what noone wants. So sochi will be fantastic, the games will be lovely, the little bear will be 5he ambassador of frienship, and everyone will have a great time.

For once I do hope you're right ! :celebrate:

Jas
02-02-2014, 22:44
RL, I am not telling ure with all these extremists and nationalists or whatever, i am just saying dont u think its time to be positive? You love russia, right? So support ure country now cos its the right thing to do I think.

Russian Lad
02-02-2014, 22:55
RL, I am not telling ure with all these extremists and nationalists or whatever, i am just saying dont u think its time to be positive? You love russia, right? So support ure country now cos its the right thing to do I think.

I will be more positive after we deal with the crooks currently in power, I promise. As to the games, it is a feast in the time of plague. It is a failure even before the start, given how much cash was wasted on it. Maybe I am supposed to be enjoying this?:

žлимпийский огонŒ погас более ‚€е… €аз... - YouTube

Or maybe you encourage me to enjoy this (should I be shouting "Allah Akbar Russian Olympics!" perhaps?)???:

žлимпийский огонŒ ‘€янск, с‚‹д и позо€ - YouTube

SOS11
02-02-2014, 23:46
Anything wrong??? How about everything f'cking wrong??!!!!! Read the comments!!! Like 99% of Russians there say: "We don't need this s;it!"
1 TRILLION 536 BILLION RUBLES HAVE BEEN SPENT THERE!!!! THAT'S ABOUT 45 BILLION DOLLARS!!! THAT'S HALF OF WHAT RUSSIA SPENDS ON MEDICINE PER YEAR!!! That's around 320 dollars to each Russian, including babies and babushkas. Roughly - a monthly salary-pension. How many do you think would have taken the money?:) A new health center could be built in EVERY relatively big Russian city for this chunk of cash. Watch out for the new Forbes magazine - the number of dollar millionaires and billionaires in Russia is on a steep rise. While the others are learning how to make and to throw Molotov cocktails...

See, the way this mechanism has worked, so-called "private investors" were seemingly in abundance, then these "investors" reached the agreement that their expenses will be paid by the state.
I worked in construction-related industries for like a decade, you would not believe what is going on there. It is not the same as cooking, Ben, the money of a totally different scale is involved.



Don't make me laugh, you are a grown-up man... Not always, ok, make it 99%.


....sad truth

rumple_stilskin
03-02-2014, 02:16
This article was just wishful thinking by people that can't handle a government not controlled by the bankers.

I know a guy that sells tickets for the olympics, and he said recently many of these events are now sold out. to the wishful thinkers, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Russian Lad
03-02-2014, 02:18
and he said recently many of these events are now sold out. to the wishful thinkers, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

What government is not controlled by the bankers??? The Russian one??? The Russian Central Bank is virtually a branch of the US Federal Reserve and plays by its rules...
Rumple, don't be a [deleted by moderator], these tickets will ALL be sold out, because the government is allocating funds for their purchase (with taxpayers' money) and then they are distributed either for free or for a symbolic fee among the ER-loyal crooks, their wives and relatives, the relatives of the police and special services (herds of them will be there to protect the games). Smoke it and don't choke on it...

Alan65
03-02-2014, 02:35
What government is not controlled by the bankers??? The Russian one??? The Russian Central Bank is virtually a branch of the US Federal Reserve and plays by its rules...
Rumple, don't be a [deleted by moderator], these tickets will ALL be sold out, because the government is allocating funds for their purchase (with taxpayers' money) and then they are distributed either for free or for a symbolic fee among the ER-loyal crooks, their wives and relatives, the relatives of the police and special services (herds of them will be there to protect the games). Smoke it and don't choke on it...

You are not really getting into the Olympic spirit are you RL.

Russian Lad
03-02-2014, 02:52
:D

andymackem
03-02-2014, 11:05
Wrong. In 1980 it was surely not about money.

I wouldn't be so sure. In 1984 Juan Antonio Samaranch (then head of the IOC) was quoting talking about how it was much easier to organise a profitable Olympics in 'socialist countries' (specifically Sarajevo, which had the '84 Winter Games, but also Moscow 1980) and complaining about how many more difficulties the IOC was having in LA. This was around the time he was glad-handing politburo chappies to encourage a Soviet winter games bid. As it happens, in 1989 the USSR decided to put Sochi forward to host the 1998 winter games, but by the time it got to the IOC in 1991 things had changed a bit.

http://readrussia.com/2014/01/31/the-1998-sochi-olympics/

rumple_stilskin
03-02-2014, 11:41
What government is not controlled by the bankers??? The Russian one??? The Russian Central Bank is virtually a branch of the US Federal Reserve and plays by its rules...
Rumple, don't be a [deleted by moderator], these tickets will ALL be sold out, because the government is allocating funds for their purchase (with taxpayers' money) and then they are distributed either for free or for a symbolic fee among the ER-loyal crooks, their wives and relatives, the relatives of the police and special services (herds of them will be there to protect the games). Smoke it and don't choke on it...

North Korea doesn't look too controlled by the bankers, among a few others. If you want to know exactly which ones, just look at which countries are demomised by the western press. The bankers did make their move to take control of Russia, but Mikhail Khodorkovsky ended up in prison.

You may be correct that the Russian central bank is acting in the interests of foreign entities, but that was established pre-Putin. Most people don't understand how central banks or the monetary system work, generating political will to dismantle them is no easy feat. Hopefully that will happen.

In any case the TV cameras, and foreign journalists will see full stadiums of happy people and that will be beamed around the world. That couid be regarded as a success. reversing negative branding of Russia by vested interests. The media is working overtime now trying to fill the newspapers with articles about gay rights in Russia, anything goes to diminish a resurgent Russia.

Most people in the west have no idea at all what Russia is like.

Russian Lad
03-02-2014, 12:51
In any case the TV cameras, and foreign journalists will see full stadiums of happy people and that will be beamed around the world. That couid be regarded as a success. reversing negative branding of Russia by vested interests. The media is working overtime now trying to fill the newspapers with articles about gay rights in Russia, anything goes to diminish a resurgent Russia.

Most people in the west have no idea at all what Russia is like.

Stadiums of happy people to be beamed around the world can be gathered in the North Korea as well. Not sure it equates global success though. And the joy of putinists will be short-lived. Yes, it is a demonic government, and if it is demonized - good. The sooner it is gone - the better. Last week they clashed down on the last democratic channel Dozhd and shut it down, the Kremlin official spokesman Peskov said, verbatim: "They didn't violate any law, but there are some notions that are above the law, so I think what was done is correct." It is a bandit state, Rumple (because notions above the law exist only in the criminal world), and if you don't understand it - it is a shame.

robertmf
04-02-2014, 18:28
It is a bandit state, Rumple (because notions above the law exist only in the criminal world), and if you don't understand it - it is a shame.

I just saw a graphic about Olys costs. At some US$52B the Sochi Olys will cost more than the cost of ALL OTHER olympics added together.

AstarD
04-02-2014, 18:34
All others? Summer and winter? Because Sochi's a few billion more than the Beijing summer ones, but I find it hard to believe that it's more than ALL the olympics games combined (that would mean that all the others besides Beijing were only 2 or 4 billion combined).

Alan65
05-02-2014, 11:54
All others? Summer and winter? Because Sochi's a few billion more than the Beijing summer ones, but I find it hard to believe that it's more than ALL the olympics games combined (that would mean that all the others besides Beijing were only 2 or 4 billion combined).

Costs for prior games have probably not been indexed linked to todays prices...London 13 bn, Beijing ???, Vancouver 2 bn....Athens possibly 4 bn....working on a principle like that....I guess that type of headline could be written.

Just don't trust a journalist with your money.

Bogatyr
05-02-2014, 17:19
Re: expense. Every Olympics always sets new spending records, not only is it due to economic inflation, but also "spectacle" inflation, the need to be flashier than all previous Olympics. It's part of the "game" and has nothing to do with Russia. And for all the moaning about the "caviar road" don't forget the 50+ bridges built, the large number of tunnels built over mountainous terrain, the rail system, etc. You think no English construction company moguls got rich off of the London Olympics? Please....

robertmf
05-02-2014, 17:22
The latest news from the anal retentive Americans is the condition of the plumbing - or lack thereof. Apparently the sewer infrastructure isn't complete.

There are reports of gang wall urinals and not being able to flush - one must wipe and then deposit tissue in a waste basket... that's assuming toilet paper is available.

Last night's NBC news had a segment on wi-fi cafe hackers. Expect to be hacked and have no personal/important info on your personal phone/tablet.

Snow apparently is no problemo. Man-made snow is being handled by an Australian *scratching head on this one*

Russian Lad
05-02-2014, 17:42
Re: expense. Every Olympics always sets new spending records, not only is it due to economic inflation, but also "spectacle" inflation, the need to be flashier than all previous Olympics. It's part of the "game" and has nothing to do with Russia. And for all the moaning about the "caviar road" don't forget the 50+ bridges built, the large number of tunnels built over mountainous terrain, the rail system, etc. You think no English construction company moguls got rich off of the London Olympics? Please....

Are you a staunch putinist or one of those who got their fingers into this jar of cookies?:) Or both?:) It would be safe to say that most of the Russians who don't belong to either of those two groups don't agree with you.

andymackem
05-02-2014, 17:48
Re: expense. Every Olympics always sets new spending records, not only is it due to economic inflation, but also "spectacle" inflation, the need to be flashier than all previous Olympics. It's part of the "game" and has nothing to do with Russia. And for all the moaning about the "caviar road" don't forget the 50+ bridges built, the large number of tunnels built over mountainous terrain, the rail system, etc. You think no English construction company moguls got rich off of the London Olympics? Please....

But in 1989 the USSR reckoned it would cost 664 million Soviet rubles to get Sochi / Krasnaya Polyana up to Olympic standard and host the 1998 Winter Games. At the official exchange rate of the day, it comes out at around US$300 million. From there to $51 billion is a hell of a leap.

Plus, Russia could perfectly easily have declined to join in on the willy-waving the accompanies Olympic bids, World Cup bids etc. Instead it's embraced the whole idea with gusto. I thought Russia was keen to demonstrate a viable alternative to western hegemony - this looks more like an attempt to imitate.

Russian Lad
05-02-2014, 17:54
this looks more like an attempt to imitate.

Primarily it is just an opportunity to embezzle more, to the excited applause from some of the citizens who succumbed to the medveput brainwashing and from naive foreigners who don't have a clue. Everything else is secondary.

robertmf
05-02-2014, 18:03
Primarily it is just an opportunity to embezzle more, to the excited applause from some of the citizens who succumbed to the medveput brainwashing and from naive foreigners who don't have a clue. Everything else is secondary.

The foreign journalists are using twitter (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/02/04/journalists-at-sochi-are-live-tweeting-their-hilarious-and-gross-hotel-experiences/) about their experiences at Sochi

robertmf
06-02-2014, 03:42
Everything else is secondary.

If you go to Sochi, please use the toilet properly (http://www.geekosystem.com/sochi-toilet-signs/) ;)

... and watch out for exploding tubes of toothpaste (http://www.businessinsider.com/sochi-terror-warning-toothpaste-tubes-olympics-2014-2) :groan:

vossy7
06-02-2014, 04:10
If you go to Sochi, please use the toilet properly (http://www.geekosystem.com/sochi-toilet-signs/) ;)

... and watch out for exploding tubes of toothpaste (http://www.businessinsider.com/sochi-terror-warning-toothpaste-tubes-olympics-2014-2) :groan:



Jeez Rob your toothpaste looks like Irish haemorrhoid cream.....have you checked your teeth recently?

robertmf
06-02-2014, 04:32
Jeez Rob your toothpaste looks like Irish haemorrhoid cream.....have you checked your teeth recently?

You Sir, must be a young'un and never enjoyed the finer points of the USSR :rofl:

vossy7
06-02-2014, 05:13
You Sir, must be a young'un and never enjoyed the finer points of the USSR :rofl:



Mate , you have made my day....molodets!

Benedikt
06-02-2014, 06:32
Re: expense. Every Olympics always sets new spending records, not only is it due to economic inflation, but also "spectacle" inflation, the need to be flashier than all previous Olympics. It's part of the "game" and has nothing to do with Russia. And for all the moaning about the "caviar road" don't forget the 50+ bridges built, the large number of tunnels built over mountainous terrain, the rail system, etc. You think no English construction company moguls got rich off of the London Olympics? Please....



sarajevo, to pacify some critics might be one of the few exceptions. but that is also political motivated and the olympics as such could not be blamed for it.
the -olympic village/apartments- are turned over to public housing or are being sold on the private market.
roads/tunnels/ski lifts and the like are not ripped out or rolled up and put away. a lot of infrastructure will be used for years to come. And not only for international or world cup games. but also for locals at reduced prices or free use.
anyone of YOu critics out there has been up the old Sochi Krasnaya Polana Road? i have, and i must say i do indeed see the bus drivers there as heros or daredevils or both. Anyone been up to the top, having to change the lift three times? i have been!
Much has been destroyed? go to any of the Austrian mountain villages like Lech/St.Anton/Kitz/any other, what you see there in -main street- rows and rows of glitter shops that cater to the $$$ tourists. not much -Heidi- and -Sound of music- charme left.
Innsbruck had gotten the winter olympics twice, and when it was over, all the things there are still in use, year after year.
Anyone here from other olympic cities and can tell if the venues are still being used or just rot away?
What is happening in Sochi is only part of the games. and they are more or less independent from the weather. Ice for the hockey rinks can be made in any temperature...
and the skiing is done in Krasnaya Polana, up in the mountains where there was always snow, there is snow and there will be snow. and the place will be used. maybe not profitable now and not in the next 5 or 10 years. But it is here to stay and it will become popular. and it will be part of the ski- circus-.
As one has the F1 racing cars all over the world.
Have you or anyone been heli skiing in Gudauri?! I was, and i was working down in the valley where we had 30+C.....
Look up Gudauri in Google if you don't know where it is....
Corruption this or that, in another post i posted an EU report about corrupt Europe, no one bothers to comment on that.

Alan65
06-02-2014, 12:02
Re: expense. Every Olympics always sets new spending records, not only is it due to economic inflation, but also "spectacle" inflation, the need to be flashier than all previous Olympics. It's part of the "game" and has nothing to do with Russia. And for all the moaning about the "caviar road" don't forget the 50+ bridges built, the large number of tunnels built over mountainous terrain, the rail system, etc. You think no English construction company moguls got rich off of the London Olympics? Please....

I think you will find that most of the construction companies involved in London 2012 where PLC, not run by moguls and the contracts where let under OJEU rules.

robertmf
06-02-2014, 22:45
Alina Kabaeva, VVP's girlfriend, will light the olympic torch at the opening ceremonies

:whisper: You heard it here first ;)

robertmf
07-02-2014, 05:21
SOCHI (The Borowitz Report) — With the Olympics underway, hundreds of visitors to Sochi are complaining that they checked into expensive hotel rooms only to find them decorated with seminude portraits of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The portraits, showing Mr. Putin shirtless and riding a variety of mammals, adorn the walls of virtually every hotel room constructed especially for the Olympics and were created at a cost of over two million dollars :rofl:, Olympic officials said.


:smurf: -- article with shirtless picture (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2014/02/sochi-hotel-guests-complain-about-topless-portraits-of-putin-in-rooms.html)


I'm lovin' it - YouTube

Benedikt
07-02-2014, 07:50
It's part of the "game" and has nothing to do with Russia. And for all the moaning about the "caviar road" don't forget the 50+ bridges built, the large number of tunnels built over mountainous terrain, the rail system, etc. You think no English construction company moguls got rich off of the London Olympics? Please....

they did not have to spend a single cent on a new airport, bridge, road, or other mayor infrastructure.
-Small- details like that are easily forgotten or conveniently overlooked.

Suuryaa
07-02-2014, 10:46
SOCHI (The Borowitz Report) With the Olympics underway, hundreds of visitors to Sochi are complaining that they checked into expensive hotel rooms only to find them decorated with seminude portraits of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The portraits, showing Mr. Putin shirtless and riding a variety of mammals, adorn the walls of virtually every hotel room constructed especially for the Olympics and were created at a cost of over two million dollars :rofl:, Olympic officials said.


:smurf: -- article with shirtless picture (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2014/02/sochi-hotel-guests-complain-about-topless-portraits-of-putin-in-rooms.html)


I'm lovin' it - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI-xHMM8wXE)

Creating a gay friendly environment?

FatAndy
07-02-2014, 12:04
Creating a gay friendly environment?
A nice trolling, I guess... :)

sar8
07-02-2014, 19:39
I remember the event I was a young boy then.
It was great it was really well organised
and there was absolutely no danger

evoboy
16-02-2014, 21:54
Anything wrong??? How about everything f'cking wrong??!!!!! Read the comments!!! Like 99% of Russians there say: "We don't need this s;it!"
1 TRILLION 536 BILLION RUBLES HAVE BEEN SPENT THERE!!!! THAT'S ABOUT 45 BILLION DOLLARS!!! THAT'S HALF OF WHAT RUSSIA SPENDS ON MEDICINE PER YEAR!!! That's around 320 dollars to each Russian, including babies and babushkas. Roughly - a monthly salary-pension. How many do you think would have taken the money?:) A new health center could be built in EVERY relatively big Russian city for this chunk of cash. Watch out for the new Forbes magazine - the number of dollar millionaires and billionaires in Russia is on a steep rise. While the others are learning how to make and to throw Molotov cocktails...

See, the way this mechanism has worked, so-called "private investors" were seemingly in abundance, then these "investors" reached the agreement that their expenses will be paid by the state.
I worked in construction-related industries for like a decade, you would not believe what is going on there. It is not the same as cooking, Ben, the money of a totally different scale is involved.



Don't make me laugh, you are a grown-up man... Not always, ok, make it 99%.

That is a funny story, I'm sure there are many Russians complaining about the expense of the olympics and "How the money could of been spent else where" But!! MAYBE if a higher % of Russians paid their fair tax towards the economy , just like they do in most other countries, there would be more money for these services/medicines. No point dogging the tax/not paying taxes then complaining about the cost of the olympics, lol:11513: If your contributing a fair amount of your income to the tax man then sure you have a right to complain!) If your not or do not even contribute to the economy ,best to stop moaning :)

Russian Lad
17-02-2014, 00:14
That is a funny story, I'm sure there are many Russians complaining about the expense of the olympics and "How the money could of been spent else where" But!! MAYBE if a higher % of Russians paid their fair tax towards the economy , just like they do in most other countries, there would be more money for these services/medicines. No point dogging the tax/not paying taxes then complaining about the cost of the olympics, lol If your contributing a fair amount of your income to the tax man then sure you have a right to complain!) If your not or do not even contribute to the economy ,best to stop moaning

Hello, Evoboy.:) Personally I am paying zero taxes, you are aware of that.:) Officially I don't even exist.:) I am a low-profile Russian who lives from hand to mouth. These huge amounts of cash they spent, they could have been used elsewhere to help other people, I personally don't need any of this money. Most of it was embezzled anyway, you know it just as I do. Am I moaning about it? Probably just calling a spade a spade.
That said, I would not mind getting a decent job and paying some taxes off it. ZERO are on offer. 20-30K rubles per month ones that there are, they are just survival. I kindly let other, even more needy people have them. :watching:
As to my contributing to the economy, I am a translator as you know, it is not like I find my cash under the pillow each morning, I have to work for it. Some employers even pay the income tax for me occasionally, so it is not like I am paying zero taxes actually. Back in 1999 I was paying 30% income tax. So, I do have some tax paying history, at least ten years.
Also, taxes is basically a Western invention, in some countries like Saudi Arabia there is no income tax yet many (most?) of them prosper. I would think about this type of society.

bydand
17-02-2014, 09:07
Cat Falls Through Roof At Adler Arena In Sochi Russia | Cat burglar still has 8 lives | VIDEO - YouTube

FatAndy
17-02-2014, 10:32
Damned imperialists! I think it's not a last case of animal diversion. Where are our combat dogs? :)

sashadidi
17-02-2014, 10:47
Damned imperialists! I think it's not a last case of animal diversion. Where are our combat dogs? :)

Our evil plans are starting to work........and yes no opposition Andy!!!!!

FatAndy
17-02-2014, 10:56
...and yes no opposition Andy!!!!!
I'd agree, but that Dark Lord has announced "managed democracy", you know...

Russian Lad
17-02-2014, 18:05
What is funny, whenever I post something here, the attendance grows by like five people within five minutes. Wonder if some FSB agents have subscribed to my posts or something.:)

Putin - Ÿƒ‚ин - YouTube

penka
17-02-2014, 18:15
Hello, Evoboy.:) Personally I am paying zero taxes, you are aware of that.:) Officially I don't even exist.:) I am a low-profile Russian who lives from hand to mouth. These huge amounts of cash they spent, they could have been used elsewhere to help other people, I personally don't need any of this money. Most of it was embezzled anyway, you know it just as I do. Am I moaning about it? Probably just calling a spade a spade.
That said, I would not mind getting a decent job and paying some taxes off it. ZERO are on offer. 20-30K rubles per month ones that there are, they are just survival. I kindly let other, even more needy people have them. :watching:
As to my contributing to the economy, I am a translator as you know, it is not like I find my cash under the pillow each morning, I have to work for it. Some employers even pay the income tax for me occasionally, so it is not like I am paying zero taxes actually. Back in 1999 I was paying 30% income tax. So, I do have some tax paying history, at least ten years.
Also, taxes is basically a Western invention, in some countries like Saudi Arabia there is no income tax yet many (most?) of them prosper. I would think about this type of society.

Geez, how on earth did you manage to end up with 30% tax??? It's 13% for the physical persons, no?

Russian Lad
17-02-2014, 18:20
Geez, how on earth did you manage to end up with 30% tax??? It's 13% for the physical persons, no?

Back then it was a sliding scale, maybe it was even 35%, don't remember. It depended on the annual income. My salary was around 1K dollars in 1999, it was a lot of money here back then - a one room apartment in Saint Pete cost like 10-13K dollars, for example.

penka
17-02-2014, 18:23
Back then it was a sliding scale, maybe it was even 35%, don't remember. It depended on the annual income. My salary was around 1K dollars in 1999, it was a lot of money here back then - a one room apartment in Saint Pete cost like 10-13K dollars, for example.

I mean... It was like Scandinavia...
Personal income tax - 30%
Get your own biz - you look at about 80%
Get a second job - go and f@ck yourself better....

Russian Lad
17-02-2014, 18:32
I mean... It was like Scandinavia...
Personal income tax - 30%
Get your own biz - you look at about 80%

Well, the 13% flat tax is a joke, the rich get more rich, the poor get more poor. I would not mind paying 30% from the salary of, say, 5K Euro. I stopped paying taxes after I realized it is just a waste of my own money. There is no free medicine (de facto), no free education, one has to pay for everything. I don't want to pay for their whores in Kurshavel (and in Sochi, for that matter), period.
80% for business, are you sure? Sounds like crazy.

penka
17-02-2014, 18:43
Well, the 13% flat tax is a joke, the rich get more rich, the poor get more poor. I would not mind paying 30% from the salary of, say, 5K Euro. I stopped paying taxes after I realized it is just a waste of my own money. There is no free medicine (de facto), no free education, one has to pay for everything. I don't want to pay for their whores in Kurshavel (and in Sochi, for that matter), period.
80% for business, are you sure? Sounds like crazy.

It's the same everywhere. Rich people go offshore. Regular folks stand for the bill.

It is crazy. You pay for the biz and for the people, employed, including yourself. Whence taking out your salary, you pay 30% on your personal income.

Russian Lad
17-02-2014, 18:46
It is crazy. You pay for the biz and for the people, employed, including yourself. Whence taking out your salary, you pay 30% on your personal income.

I am not sure how any business can survive with 80% tax, probably you mixed something up?:) Maybe it is like 30% as well, income-based?

penka
17-02-2014, 18:57
I am not sure how any business can survive with 80% tax, probably you mixed something up?:) Maybe it is like 30% as well, income-based?

People don't declare everything, usually. This is especially true for the small businesses.

But yes, you can legally pocket 200 SEK on each 1000 SEK. Ah, deducting 25% on all biz related expenditures is ok.

bydand
18-02-2014, 10:00
Damned imperialists! I think it's not a last case of animal diversion. Where are our combat dogs? :)

The damned imperialists are adopting the combat dogs!

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"Upon alighting in Sochi, Sigourney, Kenworthy, Bird, and American snowboarder Lindsey Jacobellis were all inspired to help stave off the canine crisis. Each has declared the intention to adopt a stray, with Kenworthy staying in Russia for a few extra days so he can get the paperwork to adopt multiple puppies."

Full article:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/five_ring_circus/2014/02/17/sochi_stray_dogs_why_are_olympians_putting_puppies_before_people_in_sochi.html

FatAndy
18-02-2014, 11:07
The damned imperialists are adopting the combat dogs!
Correct, this way we'll extend our sphere of influence onto US's animal world! :cool:

Sadarr
21-02-2014, 20:24
This is a fun interactive map, informative too.
http://sochi.fbk.info/en/

Benedikt
22-02-2014, 07:50
This is a fun interactive map, informative too.
http://sochi.fbk.info/en/



INGEOCOm that was/is/still is the company that Madame Baturina owned/ows/still owns? The wife of ex Mayor of Moscow Yuri Luzhkov. Suppose when they were awarded the contract both were still in favor with VV...
Oleg Deripaska got more or less away without blemishes? Most of HIS constructions were done by STRABAG, his Austrian partners. Suppose they made so much money (finishing Adler Airport, the whole ski lift /skiing infrastructure) they had enough...
So, hopefully despite all the graft going on, it will benefit the people for many years to come.

mrzuzzo
24-02-2014, 21:28
The title of this thread is funny to read considering Russia destroyed everyone else on the Olympics.

Judge
24-02-2014, 21:29
The title of this thread is funny to read considering Russia destroyed everyone else on the Olympics.

Thanks for reminding me, it's time to change the title I think...:D

Russian Lad
25-02-2014, 05:32
Originally Posted by mrzuzzo View Post
The title of this thread is funny to read considering Russia destroyed everyone else on the Olympics.
Thanks for reminding me, it's time to change the title I think...

I didn't indicate the number of medals was the reason behind the failure or the success. I was actually sure Russia would have a lot of medals, since we purchased the South Korean and so forth.
Kindly change the title back to failure. The Olympics was just a smokescreen to rape Ukraine anyway. Yet another reason why it was a total failure for Russia. The tanks could have been in Kiev already. The last time it was Georgia, now Ukraine. Hope to watch some tank biathlon soon and really root for Russia... Change it back to success after our tanks are in Kiev, with this president or with a better one. It may take some years, but I believe in the future of Russia. The Russian bear needs to awaken and to show his might again.

FatAndy
25-02-2014, 10:01
Thanks for reminding me, it's time to change the title I think...:D
Don't, please. RL needs the dedicate arena to whine about bloody regime.

Judge
25-02-2014, 10:26
Don't, please. RL needs the dedicate arena to whine about bloody regime.

True, it's nice to let off some steam but I don't see what the games have to do with what's happening in Ukraine.

Russian Lad
25-02-2014, 22:13
True, it's nice to let off some steam but I don't see what the games have to do with what's happening in Ukraine.

Fine with me any way. Bloody dictators! :devil: Putinist sensorship at work! Changing the name of my title, ok, I wll let you type for me too from now on. :locked::vampire::hooray:

mrzuzzo
25-02-2014, 23:34
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