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SilverBullet
07-01-2008, 02:46
Any differences between Russian and Ukrainian women? Any thoughts? Any married expats with Ukrainian or Russian wives? Any word of advice to keep in mind for single expats considering tying the knot in the new year? A simple observation can perhaps be that these two people are very similar but in Ukraine there are more dark-haired (by nature) and hazel-eyed women, while in Russia more blondes and blue-eyed women. Reportedly there is a saying that Ukrainian women are more opinionated and persistent. They are great hostesses, they like to cook and invite guests home. Ukranian girls are more ready to act on impulse while Russian women are more prudent and sensible? Any thoughts? While on the subject; what can be said about Moldovian girls? I know it is difficult to try to generalize on such a topic, but perhaps some of you have some experience to share?

rotyn
07-01-2008, 03:54
Ukrainian woman are less arrogant and more beautiful. It is that simple..... (sorry, just my personal opinion)

Dashanew
07-01-2008, 14:42
rotyn I am not ukranian but russian and am for sure more beautiful than any ukranian women. you already saw my photo on all Moscow streets if you are not blind.
anyway this question is stupid as manu ukranian women have russian blood. does a passport create a difference in beauty and mood?

AndreyS
07-01-2008, 15:15
Oh, Dasha, could you please pinpoint where to take a look at your photo?
You can also set your avatar here.

TGP
07-01-2008, 15:28
Ukrainian woman are less arrogant and more beautiful. It is that simple..... (sorry, just my personal opinion)

"Less arrogant" = easier to talk into?

natalia_apple
07-01-2008, 15:34
there is a difference in the accent, or the manner of speaking

and as to beauty, i dont mean myself, i for one in fact do have some Ukranian blood,

i'd say i doubt Russian women are generally less beautiful

CaveMan
07-01-2008, 15:51
and as to beauty, i dont mean myself, i for one in fact do have some Ukranian blood,

i'd say i doubt Russian women are generally less beautiful

This explains a lot actually.....:sick:

Go for Russian ladies.......

natalia_apple
07-01-2008, 15:59
This explains a lot actually.....:sick:

Go for Russian ladies.......

Dear, I forgot to say, I am 75% Russian

Miracle77777
07-01-2008, 17:36
The question is not more beautiful or attractive;) or less.....But more "easy-going" - this for sure!!!

rotyn
08-01-2008, 00:50
anyway this question is stupid as manu ukranian women have russian blood. does a passport create a difference in beauty and mood?

And I thought that this idea of "blood makes a difference" was done 60 years ago ;-) Just wondering if somebody can explain, how the consitence of blood is depending on the country? What differences can be found?

And a passport makes no difference since you can buy it everywhere. The culture makes the difference ;-)

SalTheReturn
08-01-2008, 01:48
where is Ukraine? is it Putin 8th district?:duhhhh:

natalia_apple
08-01-2008, 01:53
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Guest
08-01-2008, 08:48
And I thought that this idea of "blood makes a difference" was done 60 years ago ;-) Just wondering if somebody can explain, how the consitence of blood is depending on the country? What differences can be found?

And a passport makes no difference since you can buy it everywhere. The culture makes the difference ;-)



Because there is a SPECIFIC Ukrain culture? Or is it not rather "Slavic" culture?

SalTheReturn
08-01-2008, 11:51
Because there is a SPECIFIC Ukrain culture? Or is it not rather "Slavic" culture?

of course Guest no specific Ukrainian culture but there would have been if..

as same as there was going to be a specific moldavian culture if these people were left alone and allowed to join in romania...

CaveMan
08-01-2008, 14:03
of course Guest no specific Ukrainian culture

What???? No Ukranian culture???

Jesus....SalPleaseDontReturn, go and jump from somewhere.....

Guest
08-01-2008, 14:19
of course Guest no specific Ukrainian culture but there would have been if..

as same as there was going to be a specific moldavian culture if these people were left alone and allowed to join in romania...

As there is a s Sicilian culture!

SalTheReturn
08-01-2008, 14:59
I do not know what CaveMan is up to (btw, happy new year dude) but it happened that according to history you cannot talk about a specific ukrainian culture

you can talk of autonomous culture when addressing to Baltic States, Moldavia (only to some extents), but not Ukraine having the whole country:
1)enjoyed very little period of independence and self-government
2)once the Soviet Union collapsed and hence she was given the opportunity of enjoying independence, сразу joined ( promoted actually) the constitution of another union where russia was ruling "CIS". Till few years ago, not even a decade, Ukraine was considered just de facto independent
3)always being habitated by huge minorities of Russians, and some regions (ie. Crimea) being totally russian and russian friendly


many other factors CaveMan, but basically being Ukrainians is a really vague concept that the very same Ukrainians do not even care about, and an ukrainian identitity does not exist

take care

Sal

SalTheReturn
08-01-2008, 15:01
As there is a s Sicilian culture!

actually i think sicilian identity might be stronger than the ukrainian one LOL LOL

CaveMan
08-01-2008, 15:03
Sal,

A country does NOT have to be independent to have or develop a culture.

Ukranian culture does exist, and using your words below, this culture develops (and possibly improves) with the minorities.....

Ps. can you please change your nickname to, 'SalPleaseDontReturn' ???



I do not know what CaveMan is up to (btw, happy new year dude) but it happened that according to history you cannot talk about a specific ukrainian culture

you can talk of autonomous culture when addressing to Baltic States, Moldavia (only to some extents), but not Ukraine having the whole country:
1)enjoyed very little period of independence and self-government
2)once the Soviet Union collapsed and hence she was given the opportunity of enjoying independence, сразу joined ( promoted actually) the constitution of another union where russia was ruling "CIS". Till few years ago, not even a decade, Ukraine was considered just de facto independent
3)always being habitated by huge minorities of Russians, and some regions (ie. Crimea) being totally russian and russian friendly


many other factors CaveMan, but basically being Ukrainians is a really vague concept that the very same Ukrainians do not even care about, and an ukrainian identitity does not exist

take care

Sal

SalTheReturn
08-01-2008, 16:10
Sal,

A country does NOT have to be independent to have or develop a culture.

Ukranian culture does exist, and using your words below, this culture develops (and possibly improves) with the minorities.....

Ps. can you please change your nickname to, 'SalPleaseDontReturn' ???

False it improves when minority remain a minority which is not the case of Ukraine where russians accounts for over 20% of the population

LOL LOL

you may know as recently as 1994 they were still lots of tension between ukraininas and russians populating crimea...is this a sign of progress? LOL LOL

CaveMan
08-01-2008, 17:39
False it improves when minority remain a minority which is not the case of Ukraine where russians accounts for over 20% of the population

LOL LOL

you may know as recently as 1994 they were still lots of tension between ukraininas and russians populating crimea...is this a sign of progress? LOL LOL

so by saying false, you accept that the Ukrainian culture exists...(well something needs to be existing to improve...)

What does tension got to do with culture developing or progressing.....

Sal....goto a cafe and share an espresso with your fellows...Leave the intellectual discussions to others.....

natalia_apple
08-01-2008, 17:59
so by saying false, you accept that the Ukrainian culture exists...(well something needs to be existing to improve...)

What does tension got to do with culture developing or progressing.....

Sal....goto a cafe and share an espresso with your fellows...Leave the intellectual discussions to others.....

go and share a brain with someone

you dont seem to have one of your own

marus
08-01-2008, 19:07
All I can say from my personal experience of both is that they each have their good points.......They definitely have different accents and Ukrainians tend to be more easy going and less demanding than Muscovites,probably because conditions in their country are much worse than in Russia for most people and they are happier with less than the Muscovites.
Moldovans are not Slavs but Latins for me and should be considered with Romanians,Italians and Spanish etc...

CaveMan
08-01-2008, 20:33
go and share a brain with someone

you dont seem to have one of your own

Whose talking to you darling.....

Dashanew
08-01-2008, 20:35
Oh, Dasha, could you please pinpoint where to take a look at your photo?
You can also set your avatar here.

If you look at 'reklama' in metro you know me :)

SalTheReturn
08-01-2008, 20:36
CaveMan, i know you would like to make it an "intellectual question" but it is actually a question of history and facts

let me set it again:
being Ukrainian is a very vague concept, so vague that even in Ukraine talking about an ukrainian identity is considered qute ridicolous

Ukrainians are not Estonians, Lithuanians, some of the populations of Central Asia...Ukrainians claim little/non existend sense of identity

CaveMan
08-01-2008, 20:40
Nevermind Sal.......


CaveMan, i know you would like to make it an "intellectual question" but it is actually a question of history and facts

let me set it again:
being Ukrainian is a very vague concept, so vague that even in Ukraine talking about an ukrainian identity is considered qute ridicolous

Ukrainians are not Estonians, Lithuanians, some of the populations of Central Asia...Ukrainians claim little/non existend sense of identity

AndreyS
08-01-2008, 20:41
If you look at 'reklama' in metro you know me :)

Lots of ads, pls drop a hint.

Dashanew
08-01-2008, 20:56
Lots of ads, pls drop a hint.

nice girl :)

natalia_apple
08-01-2008, 21:00
Whose talking to you darling.....

sure, next time let me know when i can make another comment on your stupid rant

CaveMan
08-01-2008, 21:02
sure, next time let me know when i can make another comment on your stupid rant

Do you remember this???


меня .................. (please no personal info here... thanks, admin)

Or shall I provide the link???

natalia_apple
08-01-2008, 21:09
Cavey,

I dont remember anything like this, sorry to disappoint you

AndreyS
08-01-2008, 21:47
nice girl :)

Lots of them, pls stop beating around the bush and PM me your photo.

Albertina
09-01-2008, 00:13
You really can't give the right answer to the wrong question.
So I won't.

TGP
09-01-2008, 00:23
But why, whey it is alwayas like this?! Four independent sub-discussions in this thread! Ukrainian-Russian women, independence/culture of Ukraine, Dashanew's pics, CaveMan/ NataliaApple exchange of compliments :coffee:

:thumbsup:

natalia_apple
09-01-2008, 00:23
well, i can provide an answer

there is definitely one difference - nationality

natalia_apple
09-01-2008, 00:25
But why, whey it is alwayas like this?! Four independent sub-discussions in this thread! Ukrainian-Russian women, independence/culture of Ukraine, Dashanew's pics, CaveMan/ NataliaApple exchange of compliments :coffee:

:thumbsup:

came back to this kindergarten and got into the same creche

yesterday at least there was Gena here

SalTheReturn
09-01-2008, 01:30
But why, whey it is alwayas like this?! Four independent sub-discussions in this thread! Ukrainian-Russian women, independence/culture of Ukraine, Dashanew's pics, CaveMan/ NataliaApple exchange of compliments :coffee:

:thumbsup:

sorry but in was on thread, i am ready to die to prove this:farout:

Len Ganley Stance
09-01-2008, 09:56
My wife is from Ukraine. Therefore considering myself to be some sort of an authority on the matter, my recommendation would be to marry a Russian :).

Actually I'm only joking. I think.

marus
09-01-2008, 14:54
I hope you wife doesn't read that,or at least that she doesn't understand English for your sake!Ukrainians may be less sophisticated and materialistic than Muscovites for example,but I don't think they would take that 'lying down!!'

britpat1
09-01-2008, 15:02
Any differences between Russian and Ukrainian women? Any thoughts? Any married expats with Ukrainian or Russian wives? Any word of advice to keep in mind for single expats considering tying the knot in the new year? A simple observation can perhaps be that these two people are very similar but in Ukraine there are more dark-haired (by nature) and hazel-eyed women, while in Russia more blondes and blue-eyed women. Reportedly there is a saying that Ukrainian women are more opinionated and persistent. They are great hostesses, they like to cook and invite guests home. Ukranian girls are more ready to act on impulse while Russian women are more prudent and sensible? Any thoughts? While on the subject; what can be said about Moldovian girls? I know it is difficult to try to generalize on such a topic, but perhaps some of you have some experience to share?

Well, if you look in the classifieds under maid or perhaps cook or slave, you may find the above there.

If you are searching for a woman to spend your life with, then the advise would be to look for a lady that you would respect, honour, love and trust. Hair, eye colour or passport origin does not matter, .

Unless you are a minger who has to buy a wife and that is the only reason why you are here, then well in that case, no advice.

Len Ganley Stance
09-01-2008, 16:41
I hope you wife doesn't read that,or at least that she doesn't understand English for your sake!Ukrainians may be less sophisticated and materialistic than Muscovites for example,but I don't think they would take that 'lying down!!'

Marus,

My post was meant with humour intended hence me writing 'Actually I'm only joking'

I agree with this point that Dashanew made earlier in the thread -


does a passport create a difference in beauty and mood?

In my opinion, the original question is rather silly. If two individuals fall head-over-heels in love and feel that it's the right thing for them to get married, race, religion, creed, colour, what their peers, families or whoever think about their decision or whatever other reason that can be dreamt up should not be issue. If it is, then they probably shouldn't get married as clearly they'e not mature enough to make their own life decisions.

My wife, by the way, speaks English as well as four other languages and she would have recognised the humour intended in my post. She is Ukrainian and like a lot of Ukrainians I know, she is not, as some people might perceive your post suggests, less sophisticated and materialistic than Muscovites.

Stereotyping people is just plain dumb. I should know, I'm Irish and as the world knows the Irish are all stupid :).

Miracle77777
09-01-2008, 17:22
Marus,

My post was meant with humour intended hence me writing 'Actually I'm only joking'

I agree with this point that Dashanew made earlier in the thread -



In my opinion, the original question is rather silly. If two individuals fall head-over-heels in love and feel that it's the right thing for them to get married, race, religion, creed, colour, what their peers, families or whoever think about their decision or whatever other reason that can be dreamt up should not be issue. If it is, then they probably shouldn't get married as clearly they'e not mature enough to make their own life decisions.

My wife, by the way, speaks English as well as four other languages and she would have recognised the humour intended in my post. She is Ukrainian and like a lot of Ukrainians I know, she is not, as some people might perceive your post suggests, less sophisticated and materialistic than Muscovites.

Stereotyping people is just plain dumb. I should know, I'm Irish and as the world knows the Irish are all stupid :).

Hello, Len!!
As I cannot send you Green more, I wanted to post thanks to you :hooray:
You are right in all positions and I am appreciate your opinion about this thread, about Ukranians and women in general ^-*
Regards.....

Albertina
09-01-2008, 19:26
Well, I know for sure there is no big difference b/w Ukrainian and Russian men :evilgrin:

TGP
09-01-2008, 21:34
Well, I know for sure there is no big difference b/w Ukrainian and Russian men :evilgrin:


is there big difference between ANY men? :inlove:

Albertina
09-01-2008, 21:37
is there big difference between ANY men? :inlove:

Yes! Some I like, some I don't... BIG bloody difference :ak::lovepot:

marus
10-01-2008, 14:20
Actually my mum is originally from Cork and if she saw that last posting she would still thump me,even though she's 85 years old now!

davidardel
10-01-2008, 14:42
all women are beautiful Dude get to know the girl if you really like her Marry her
thats all i have to say

do you think that you and your lady will look the same at 80..... just as you look today

marus
10-01-2008, 16:38
The secret is not to marry her first and then try to get to know her!But most of us guys spend all our lives doing just that!

Len Ganley Stance
10-01-2008, 17:20
Actually my mum is originally from Cork and if she saw that last posting she would still thump me,even though she's 85 years old now!

Marus,

As I'm from Dublin, your Mum, being from the 'rebel County',would probably thump me regardless. They're a feisty bunch, those Corkonians and there's not a lot of love lost between the two cities :agree:.

svelt
11-01-2008, 12:15
wtf they all make english 'non males' look like****. and they all act and behave so much better too.

Wodin
11-01-2008, 21:38
wtf they all make english 'non males' look like****. and they all act and behave so much better too.

Hmmmm...now let me see...english non-males are primarily interested in obtaining a western passport are they? Or could it be that english non-males hunger after expensive gifts every time you take them out to dinner.

natalia_apple
12-01-2008, 01:45
wtf they all make english 'non males' look like****. and they all act and behave so much better too.

not accurate generalization

natalia_apple
12-01-2008, 01:48
Hmmmm...now let me see...english non-males are primarily interested in obtaining a western passport are they? Or could it be that english non-males hunger after expensive gifts every time you take them out to dinner.

paranoia

maybe that depends on the girls some men choose?

almo
13-01-2008, 23:01
of course Guest no specific Ukrainian culture but there would have been if..

as same as there was going to be a specific moldavian culture if these people were left alone and allowed to join in romania...

In fairness the country is so large and varied that Ukraine contains a number of different and co-existing cultures. I always find the language to be not a million miles from Polish (personal poor ear).

I think we must remember that centred on Kiev was the old Rus and while there have been developments in "regionalised" cultures, Ukranians are distinct from Russians.

As for looks and beauty, anyone who has been to Croatia, or dealt with folks from there, will be sick to the teeth of being told that their women are the most beautiful in the world "because everyone says so." Every country has it's share of attractive people, I could find little to differentiate between Russia and Ukraine.

Tatiana545
14-01-2008, 13:18
but generally ukranian women are concidered to be less modest, they are likely to "jump" at men, they're more active... but that's what russian women say))
i don't think there's much difference in appearence, though.

SalTheReturn
14-01-2008, 13:33
EDITED, inappropriate comments.

SalTheReturn
14-01-2008, 13:35
but generally ukranian women are concidered to be less modest, they are likely to "jump" at men, they're more active... but that's what russian women say))
i don't think there's much difference in appearence, though.

there is:
walk in Kiev and see how ugly the chicks are there
then hit a middle-size town like Donetsk and see how hot the russian chicks are

pjw
15-01-2008, 05:09
Hi Sal,
Donīt know how long you been in Moscu man.
Maybe you come from Moscow. Maybe you born here. Not my problem.
Girls no like it when you say rascist shit man. Cooooooool down. Sal you seem to me when you wanna say girls go away from me because I am Sal and I donīt want to be with you. Oh Sal. You are just like me man. Everyone is unique and everyone is beautiful my friend. Donīt put Ukrainian girls down. Donīt put anyone down. Sal you got alot to learn. Howmuch timeyougot man?
Pete

SalTheReturn
15-01-2008, 11:02
Hi Sal,
Donīt know how long you been in Moscu man.
Maybe you come from Moscow. Maybe you born here. Not my problem.
Girls no like it when you say rascist shit man. Cooooooool down. Sal you seem to me when you wanna say girls go away from me because I am Sal and I donīt want to be with you. Oh Sal. You are just like me man. Everyone is unique and everyone is beautiful my friend. Donīt put Ukrainian girls down. Donīt put anyone down. Sal you got alot to learn. Howmuch timeyougot man?
Pete

:confused::confused::confused:

you remind me someone in your writing style, he is a bloody cool turkish guy absolutely the coolest ever me

take care

Sal

Albertina
15-01-2008, 23:51
there is:
walk in Kiev and see how ugly the chicks are there
then hit a middle-size town like Donetsk and see how hot the russian chicks are

Just THAT makes you my official enemy! :ak:
not to say it's not true...

SilverBullet
16-01-2008, 09:45
there is:
walk in Kiev and see how ugly the chicks are there
then hit a middle-size town like Donetsk and see how hot the russian chicks are

Hmmm, not sure if I follow you there. I must say that women are nice both places. I have spent time in both Donetsk and Kyiv. Strong Russian influence in Donetsk of course. I have lost my heart a couple of times in Odessa, Sevastopol and Kharkov. Seriously, both Ukrainian and Russian women are far ahead of their Western counterparts in a very positive term.

SilverBullet
16-01-2008, 10:04
Well, if you look in the classifieds under maid or perhaps cook or slave, you may find the above there.

If you are searching for a woman to spend your life with, then the advise would be to look for a lady that you would respect, honour, love and trust. Hair, eye colour or passport origin does not matter, .

Unless you are a minger who has to buy a wife and that is the only reason why you are here, then well in that case, no advice.

Hmmm, the posting was not meant to be provocative in any way form or shape. Not looking for a maid nor to "buy" a wife. The question is are there major cultural differences / character traits between Russian and Ukrainian women? If you ask a Russian or Ukrainian they will both say YES and perhaps also add "big time difference" For an expat not knowing the variances in the tone, the language, culture, character traits, etc., things look more blurred and one get easily blended by so much beauty in Russian, Ukrainian and Moldovian women. They are light years ahead of most Western women. They are just the best. :inlove:

Albertina
19-01-2008, 00:08
Ukrainians in general look/behave/seem softer, less aggressive, calmer, kinder, nicer than Russians. After all they are more Southern and closer to Western Europe :sunny:

hehe - and noone can give me reds :D

thewanderer
19-01-2008, 17:44
Hi Sal,
Donīt know how long you been in Moscu man.
Maybe you come from Moscow. Maybe you born here. Not my problem.
Girls no like it when you say rascist shit man. Cooooooool down. Sal you seem to me when you wanna say girls go away from me because I am Sal and I donīt want to be with you. Oh Sal. You are just like me man. Everyone is unique and everyone is beautiful my friend. Donīt put Ukrainian girls down. Donīt put anyone down. Sal you got alot to learn. Howmuch timeyougot man?
Pete

I just have to say that have absolutely no opinion on the thread contents either way, but this comment made me laugh.

This is either written by Ali G :rasta: or someone who's been hitting the ganja a bit too hard. Hilarious. :lovepot::bong:

Marina_spb
20-01-2008, 20:27
If to talk about Ukr girls, I think they more insolent and ready to get married if you have a lot of money :) it i not a rule, but if my friends and me see the women who doesn't hear what others say, insolent, don't afraid anything even if it is sometimes not really good for others - we think that she came from Ukr.

Albertina
20-01-2008, 20:33
If to talk about Ukr girls, I think they more insolent and ready to get married if you have a lot of money :) it i not a rule, but if my friends and me see the women who doesn't hear what others say, insolent, don't afraid anything even if it is sometimes not really good for others - we think that she came from Ukr.

That's nothing but your projections of your own secret wishes on the group of 'others'. Psychology 101: what you are afraid to recongnize in yourself, you subconsciously project onto others.
Cheers.

SalTheReturn
20-01-2008, 22:25
If to talk about Ukr girls, I think they more insolent and ready to get married if you have a lot of money :) it i not a rule, but if my friends and me see the women who doesn't hear what others say, insolent, don't afraid anything even if it is sometimes not really good for others - we think that she came from Ukr.

thats the funniest thing ever heard

and when comes to money...whats the huge difference w/russian women? not saying (and only because i lived there - people who did not live in russia are still fully entitled to think all russian girls are gold-diggers) all russian girls marry for money but as we both know money seems to be quite a crowd-puller in nowadays immoral russia

marus
20-01-2008, 23:03
Is there any country where a woman would choose an unemployed garbage collector over a guy who had money?

SalTheReturn
21-01-2008, 11:39
Is there any country where a woman would choose an unemployed garbage collector over a guy who had money?

what a dumb question, thats not the point.

the question is obsessively searching for a necessarily wealthy man as still lots of russian women do, another question is prefering and choosing a man over another

despite what lots of people say, i find woman-man relations to be much less money driven in western europe

even people with normal salaries here (1000?1200euros a month?) are given the chance to spend their time with good looking clever educated woman

marus
21-01-2008, 19:19
I think Russian(and Ukrainian) women see foreigners differently from their own guys...My own experiences have taught me that
a)Why should a 'Claudia Schiffer look a like' of 25 be interested in a guy twice her age unless he can give her what she cannot find locally-i.e. money and security?I have seen so many ex-pat guys fall for women under such circumstances who most of them could probably not even speak to at home,let alone date etc. so why should it be different in Russia?
b)Moscow girls tend to have an attitude because there is much more wealth and consumerism there than in most other places,but isn't this to be expected?What woman doesn't want to have the best she can get?
c)Unless you overcome the language and cultural barriers,how can you expect to have a meaningful long-term relationship with any woman, regardless of her age etc?
d)I found that the best relationships were with woman around 40,but as I am 54,isn't that to be expected,except perhaps in countries like Thailand etc?By that age they are generally more stable and sensible and know what they want from a guy, rather than playing 'mind games' or spinning fairy stories about their supposed intentions,or even being downright deceiptful and even cruel and thoughtless when it comes to the other persons feelings!
There might well be millions of beautiful women around in Moscow but that does not mean they are all available or easy to pick-up in the streets or on the metro etc!As my Russian friend says,they are very cautious until they know who you are etc. and generally prefer to keep to people they meet via someone else.....if they are not then it can mean they are available to anyone who can afford them and you will not be the first or the last!

Any comments?

SalTheReturn
21-01-2008, 19:48
marus you are stull saying clever stuff but meantime shooting on your own foot by posting dumb question

all woman and man look for the best partner ever, this is normal, but money and success cannot be the only criteria to choose your partner as it often still happens in russia

you are right about the old man dating young good looking girls, this site is full of them as well as the other one

pjw
21-01-2008, 20:56
marus you are stull saying clever stuff but meantime shooting on your own foot by posting dumb question

all woman and man look for the best partner ever, this is normal, but money and success cannot be the only criteria to choose your partner as it often still happens in russia

you are right about the old man dating young good looking girls, this site is full of them as well as the other one

:queen:I can add to this. I was recently going with a German/Romanian girl. Now weīre best friends. She has the attitude to money that 1. save it, and 2. make sure you ALWAYS got enough, 3. Future 4.Security etc
My attitude is 1. got it 2. spend it. 3. fun now you can travel etc
We had problems from day 1. She cared about money. I didnīt.
But no one can say this problem was Romanian or German or Australian culture.

You canīt say only some women want money or only women from Russia or Ukraine or whatever. German girls want money. Ozzy girls too, Iīm sure. Guys want money too.

But something special about Ukrainian girls. Sometimes they got such nice eyes (eye colours I never seen before). All girls are beautiful and special. There just isnīt enough time.:sunny:
:celebrate:Pete:cheerleader:

Albertina
21-01-2008, 21:45
so if I tell you you have no right to discuss women in this way, will you ban me?!
Cause I think you are overstimating your own power and importance, guys.
Women do NOT depend you solely anymore - stop dreaming. I earn more than most guys either in Russia or abroad and I don;t care about their money.
You make me puke by this shovinistic discussion about how women are looking for money. I think more men are mercantile than women ... I'm sick from all of this. Would you please excuse me

marus
21-01-2008, 22:01
Coming back to meeting girls etc. I asked some students of mine when I was in Moscow how they would re-act if an unknown guy started talking to them in the metro or on the street etc. and most of them said they would ignore him or try to move away because they consider it very risky to get involved with strangers etc. there.They said the usual way for people to meet is at work,college or social gatherings where they feel much safer as there other people around who they know.In any case,they also said it has been a custom since the Soviet era to respect other peoples privacy and casually approaching people in public is not really acceptable.(probably because they had so little of it both at home in overcrowded flats and outside!)

SalTheReturn
21-01-2008, 22:24
Coming back to meeting girls etc. I asked some students of mine when I was in Moscow how they would re-act if an unknown guy started talking to them in the metro or on the street etc. and most of them said they would ignore him or try to move away because they consider it very risky to get involved with strangers etc. there.They said the usual way for people to meet is at work,college or social gatherings where they feel much safer as there other people around who they know.In any case,they also said it has been a custom since the Soviet era to respect other peoples privacy and casually approaching people in public is not really acceptable.(probably because they had so little of it both at home in overcrowded flats and outside!)

nonsenses mate

have you lived yourself in moscow? it is such a flirting culture that almost every occasion (incl funerals i guess) are great chance of getting acquainted with girls and showing your interest. most of the times the girls will desire it too. i do not mean they are there to sell themselves (not at all - Albertina if your comment was addressed to me you are wrong - i lived in russia and know that girls are good and independent) but russian girls will always find time for a chat with a decent guy and they can be married/engaged/single, chances are you will NOT feel like a fool when asking their phone.

dunno where you are from, but i am european and was shocked to see how ANY single occasion could be soon turn into a chance for exchanging numbers and flirting

stopping them in the metro might be hard true, but i have seen russian attempting such moves and i have seen that if you show yourself as a good minded person and boast a foreign accent this might help a lot

as Favoritova can confirm even Palokala got the phone number of a hottie in Moscow's metro!!!:queen:

SalTheReturn
21-01-2008, 22:29
YouTube- Agata Waiting - Part One

pjw
21-01-2008, 23:13
That was a pretty long ten minutes Sal. Looking forward to Part 2:queen:

marus
22-01-2008, 18:48
If you tried this with a girl on the London underground or New York subway system late at night,she would probably call for help or tell you to get lost,let alone talk to you and then start exchanging phone numbers etc!There are so many perverts and even downright nutcases on the prowl that people feel scared,especially women on their own.If this film is genuine,I'd like to see how the story develops.....My only experience of talking to an unknown girl on a Moscow metro train was in a crowded carriage during the morning rush hour when I saw she was reading a text book on English essay writing and as she was sitting next to me,I risked making a friendly remark,which she luckily responded to!But as I got off two stops later,we didn't have much time to speak and in any case I did not get the impression she was interested in seeing me again because she did not suggest exchanging phone numbers or ask for my name etc.The fact that she was a student in her late teens or early twenties,as opposed to me being middle-aged could of course had a lot to do with it!
But overall,I always got the impression that it is not customary over there to expect women to welcome approaches from unknown guys in such circumstances as on the metro where other people can of course overhear the conversation!What do Russians have to say on this point?

SalTheReturn
22-01-2008, 20:14
I can tell you a successful metro approach in Moscow

an older guy gave this nice chick a visiting card, the chick took it, look at it, and left

i leave metro as well

after we get off i asked her "sorry i am curious, what that guy in the metro gave you?" she showed me a visiting card with the address of a lingerie shop and the name of the guy!!!

we then exchanged numbers and went out

i do not agree, even in London (lived there 18months) is absolutely possible, actually the trick is taking advantage of british male shiness and be brave enough to approach the girl...it works because NO GIRL REALLY MIND IF A STRANGER POLITELY APPROACH HER (except in italy:eek:)

the video is genuine, not a tecnique i would suggest anyway

dunno how the story evolved though

SalTheReturn
22-01-2008, 20:16
actually marus, you said lots of nonsenses

re-thinking it, lots of people meet girls in the metro in moscow

marus
23-01-2008, 14:50
I'm not trying to rub you up the wrong way Sal but is it really normal to expect a girl who is alone in the metro at night to be happy if a guy whose been filming her with a hidden video camera approaches her??I'm sure most people would say it's crazy,if not downright offensive and even frightening?
Why not at least try to introduce yourself first and ask if she minds etc?
Maybe you are right and you can chat-up all kinds of women,married and single etc. on the metro and other public places in Moscow and I even knew a Greek-Cypriot guy who worked there and reckoned all women there just want to get laid etc and are available to anyone who gives them a nice smile but I think that's going too far!!We've had a lot of feedback from us guys on this topic so let's see what the girls there have to say for a change!

SalTheReturn
23-01-2008, 15:26
thats true some girly feedback is needed, Olenka, MissO, TGP (she loves guys chatting her up in the metro:cheerleader:), etc... all welcome

my point is that Russia is the top world flirting culture and that there are always chance the flirt is going to take a more interesting turn

also my point is that being a friendly foreigner help a lot

Marus, I am talking about young girls anyway 18-28

the video is crap but did you see? the chick gave him phone number!!!

Poka, you all take care

Ps. seems this site is getting interesting more and more!