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Guest
02-01-2008, 23:49
I received a few PM about work permits, so once more I post here the "new rules" to easily receive a temporary work permit. I attach a small scan of a paper that was given by a private company that assists for work permits (I removed the company details), in Russian language. All is accurate. And by the way you don't need to go through any company for this...

1- Enter Russia and fill your migration card (like everybody)

2- In the 3 business days, apply for a work permit in the Fderal Migration Service

3- When you get the work permit you MUST sign a work agreement with an employer during the next 30 days.

In any case, if you didn't sign an agreement in the 90 days after you entered Russia, you must leave Russia.

The point is that, unlike what some people think, it is not necessary to find the employer before applying. Apply, get the WP then find the employer. This should be interesting for example for individuals who want to work here (teachers, etc).

Bels
02-01-2008, 23:57
Am I right in stating that not all employers have the right to provide provide invitation. And can schools still purchase for example invitations which might be illegal. Or is this practice now impossible?

Sumarokov-Elston
16-01-2008, 10:46
Maybe I am misunderstanding something, but does the above rule not apply to CIS non-visa citizens only?

Tara2007
07-02-2008, 18:08
As I know, this can apply for a CIS employees only, not for the foreign employees like from the UK, USA and ect.
Actually, nothing changed in the law regarding obtaining work permits for the foreign employees (as usual, the future Employer has to obtain a work permit for the specific employee before his arrival to Russia).

vantru
12-03-2008, 09:34
As I know, this can apply for a CIS employees only, not for the foreign employees like from the UK, USA and ect.
Actually, nothing changed in the law regarding obtaining work permits for the foreign employees (as usual, the future Employer has to obtain a work permit for the specific employee before his arrival to Russia).

Same thing I have heard. My wife work is to provide employees of a company in Moscow with Work permits, Work Visa and Invitations and she told me that as far as she knows this rule only applies to CIS countries but she said that she was going to check, tomorrow 'cause on wed FMS is closed.
I will inform you about the FMS officials answer.

Cheers

Bels
12-03-2008, 10:57
Whatever the regulations are, you are more likely to get a much better package by searching for employment in your own country, as they wil be marketing to entice you to come to Russia. Get your interveiw done by telephone, check the contract before you arrive and ensure you get a better financial deal, more than what you would get in your own country. ensure flight accommadation, and health costs are covered. And don't be convinced that Moscow has a lower cost of living than where you come from. Especially for Brits with families where there are many extra costs for them of what they took for granted as free in their own country.

It's also more likely that this employer is legal by advertising in your own country, and allowed to employ expats.

Ensure the invitation was completed by the actual company, and not a bogus company.

Acoreana
19-05-2008, 17:59
Darn! I knew it was too good to be true....:rant:

obedike
21-07-2009, 00:50
The rules for foreigners- non CIS- is much more complicated and with each day we get new rules. and certainly you cannot do without the company that invited you.

tgma
13-08-2009, 15:08
Try (http://www.pratos.ru) for work permits

Bels
03-09-2009, 23:08
So Final. If all these posters who write here stating that they can apply somewhere for a work permit that they are on a wild goos chase.

It makes sense doesn;t. If you are restricted with a work permit there is a purpose behind it. There is first of a the quoted number of workers required. Called the quota system. The employer needs to apply for your work permit.

No you can't simply walk into an office and fill out a form giving you the right to work for any employer in Russia. If agents claim so, they are rpping you off in doing a job that's impossible.

So tomorrow someone else is going to say I am coming to Russia to look for a job. I need to apply for a work permit. Where do I go :)

lawyer
20-09-2009, 00:43
Dear Sirs,

most of you are absolutely right assuming that the published rules are for foreign nationals coming from the CIS countries ONLY, i.e. for citizens enjoying a visa free regime! For those foreigners who require a visa to enter Russia, it is ALWAYS the obligation of their employer to obtain a work permit.

pjw
20-09-2009, 01:18
Dear Sirs,

most of you are absolutely right assuming that the published rules are for foreign nationals coming from the CIS countries ONLY, i.e. for citizens enjoying a visa free regime! For those foreigners who require a visa to enter Russia, it is ALWAYS the obligation of their employer to obtain a work permit.Hi Lawyer.

With all respect...........

Sorry to interrupt u, but your use of the greeting Dear Sirs is absolutely inappropriate. I see in your profile that you are a non-native speaker of English. But you are a woman and so I find this greeting even more inappropriate. Some of the posters you are addressing are women. Perhaps you think, Oh it's not important, but it really sticks out like a red flag and prohibits any form of further debate. Something to keep in mind perhaps. But in saying this, I must say that my Russian is so very poor, I'm not trying to be the know-all. I'm very much looking forward to seeing a more gender-welcoming greeting from you in future thanks ;) For example, something like Dear Madam, Dear Sirs or Dear all or Dear posters.

lawyer
20-09-2009, 11:41
Hi Lawyer.

With all respect...........

Sorry to interrupt u, but your use of the greeting Dear Sirs is absolutely inappropriate. I see in your profile that you are a non-native speaker of English. But you are a woman and so I find this greeting even more inappropriate. Some of the posters you are addressing are women. Perhaps you think, Oh it's not important, but it really sticks out like a red flag and prohibits any form of further debate. Something to keep in mind perhaps. But in saying this, I must say that my Russian is so very poor, I'm not trying to be the know-all. I'm very much looking forward to seeing a more gender-welcoming greeting from you in future thanks ;) For example, something like Dear Madam, Dear Sirs or Dear all or Dear posters.
I tender apologies. I didn't mean prohibiting further debate in any way. Everybody is welcome to discuss further.

pjw
20-09-2009, 13:47
I tender apologies. I didn't mean prohibiting further debate in any way. Everybody is welcome to discuss further.Hey lawyer:sunny:
I think this problem has more to do with me than with your greeting. I just get funny when I see any kind of sexism or people getting left out, or a gender excluded. But I take it WAY too seriously. Your English is 1000 times better than my Russian so I better concentrate on that. I just wanted to point something out to you and now we can continue. :thumbsup:

SV1973a
21-09-2009, 09:04
Dear Sirs,

most of you are absolutely right assuming that the published rules are for foreign nationals coming from the CIS countries ONLY, i.e. for citizens enjoying a visa free regime! For those foreigners who require a visa to enter Russia, it is ALWAYS the obligation of their employer to obtain a work permit.

Dear Lawyer,

What about the following. A foreign national (European Union) lives in Moscow on a Temporary Residence Permit (received out of the quota because of marriage to a Russian citizen). That person needs a Work Permit.

It was my understanding that if you have the TRP, you can apply yourself for the Work Permit, and employers need no special permission to hire you.
But, for the obtaining of the WP, are you considered out of the quota?

If no, that would mean that if you receive your TRP after the quota has been filled (let`s 1 May), you will not be able to get a WP, and have no income.
How can you prove your income when you want to apply for Permanent Residence Permit then ?

This just does not seem logical to me...

Bels
21-09-2009, 12:07
Try (http://www.pratos.ru) for work permits

THanks as there are some interesting facts on that site. But they could do wth a bit more to cut out all confusion. The employees that are exempt from quota looks interesting, and would have been good news for the BP/TNK director if it was enforced in time. Perhaps that why the enforced these laws.

I have alsoread some article in the past that English native speaking EFL teachers were also exempt and that there used to be a list of which countries that they had to be native from. for example Australia, North America and UK.

Here is a pasting from TGMA's link

29.05.2009
As they reported from The Russian Ministry of Public Health and Social development there was issued in concordance with the Russian Ministry of Economic Development a list of 17 occupations that foreign citizens can apply for in Russia in 2009 without the procedure of obtaining a quota.

A representative of the Ministry informed that the approved list would help to attract highly skilled foreign specialists to Russia whom employers have need for due to lack of Russian employees of such qualification. Besides, this act is believed to contribute in future to elaboration and introduction of new technologies and to development of the innovative sector of the economy along with simplifying the procedure of attracting and taking advantage of high-qualified foreign specialists of certain categories.

It was the first time in the previous year when such document was worked out by the Ministry and there were around 16 thousands foreign employees who worked in Russia in 2008 holding occupations listed there.

Having analyzed the professional qualification structure of the contemporary and long-term need of foreign employees for the economy it was found that most high-qualified foreign specialists are used by employers as heads of enterprises, organizations and departments. The jobs of general director and director (head, managing director) of enterprise turned out to be the most wanted with 10 600 and 2 000 employees correspondingly.

While forming the list for the year 2009 there were marked and, along with unclaimed occupations, excluded from it some jobs that under the circumstances of the crisis of the financial system and some economic sectors can be occupied by Russian specialists such as head of the IT department and automated production control system engineer.



The list of professions (jobs, occupations) which foreign qualified specialists can claim to have in Russia in 2009 free of quota:

General director of joint venture
General director of association
General director of enterprise
General director of the general direction
General director of intersectoral scientific and technical complex
General director of production association
Director of plant
Director of representation
Director (managing director) of production association
Director of factory
Director (head, managing director) of enterprise
Director of business firm
Director of joint venture
Director of association
Director (head) of complex
Information protection engineer
Production processes automation and mechanization engineer


I would still like to know more more details to with exemption of quota for those with temporary residency. If only FMS could answer the phone number that they invite us to do on their website.

SV1973a
21-09-2009, 12:29
I would still like to know more more details to with exemption of quota for those with temporary residency. If only FMS could answer the phone number that they invite us to do on their website.

I have been trying to reach those numbers for several weeks now. On the website, you can also submit questions. However, my written Russian is not strong enough.
Perhaps one of us that masters Russian well enough, should give it a try?

lawyer
22-09-2009, 12:57
Dear Lawyer,

What about the following. A foreign national (European Union) lives in Moscow on a Temporary Residence Permit (received out of the quota because of marriage to a Russian citizen). That person needs a Work Permit.

It was my understanding that if you have the TRP, you can apply yourself for the Work Permit, and employers need no special permission to hire you.
But, for the obtaining of the WP, are you considered out of the quota?

If no, that would mean that if you receive your TRP after the quota has been filled (let`s 1 May), you will not be able to get a WP, and have no income.
How can you prove your income when you want to apply for Permanent Residence Permit then ?

This just does not seem logical to me...
Good question youve pointed out. Since the times when holders of TRP were excluded from the list of persons who do not require a work permit, there has always been some confusion on how holders of TRP should obtain their work permits. Currently, as far as I know, there are still no official explanations available in this regard. Therefore, practice in different Regions of Russia may differ. In Moscow, to the best of my knowledge, holders of TRP are treated like citizens enjoying a visa free regime and may apply for work permits by themselves and the quota rule does not extend to them.
I hope this is helpful.

Bels
22-09-2009, 13:10
How can they apply? Do they return to their FMS office to apply or is it another dept. Are you aware of such application forms.

The reason I don't know after having TRP is because I didn't need one being self employed. My wife helped me to get what she had, an entrepeneurs' licence. This allows me to teach privately or offer my services as a freelancer to any company.

Even so, I still believe that if someone with TRP applys for any job they want in Russia, they will have no problem in getting it. Has anyone here with TRP had a problem keeping their current employment or finding another employer. Employers apparantly have no problem whatsoever in registering someone with TRP as an employee.

One important thing to remember. Those with TRP don't need work visas, and can remain in the country. In fact they need permission to get out of the country.

lawyer
22-09-2009, 13:11
Also, for all those who would like to learn more about current Russian migration rules.
On September 24 The Moscow Times organizes a conference dedicated to the Russia migration legistation. Among the speakers there are officers of the respective regulatory bodies and reputable legal consultants who will cover a range of issues from work permit and work visa to taxation of foreign employees in Russia.

Bels
22-09-2009, 13:14
Also, for all those who would like to learn more about current Russian migration rules.
On September 24 The Moscow Times organizes a conference dedicated to the Russia migration legistation. Among the speakers there are officers of the respective regulatory bodies and reputable legal consultants who will cover a range of issues from work permit and work visa to taxation of foreign employees in Russia.

And hopefully inform us why they won't pick up the phone.

lawyer
22-09-2009, 13:35
How can they apply? Do they return to their FMS office to apply or is it another dept. Are you aware of such application forms.

Work permits for Moscow are issued by the Department of the Federal Migration Service for Moscow located at 11, Novinsky blv., bldg.1. There are no special application form for holders of TRP, a uniform application form for citizens enjoying a visa free regime should be used.

SV1973a
22-09-2009, 13:54
In Moscow, to the best of my knowledge, holders of TRP are treated like citizens enjoying a visa free regime and may apply for work permits by themselves and the quota rule does not extend to them.
I hope this is helpful.

Now that is what I wanted I hear, and this probably also is the reason why people on TRP need to apply for WP only at Novinskiy Bulvar.
All what we now need to know more is, does an employer need a permission to hire people on TRP with WP ?

Pinocchio
30-09-2009, 10:08
I am in Russia on the basis of a TRP, issued out of quota as my wife is Russian. I can tell you my own experience, perhaps it will help someone.

My TRP was issued by one UFMS office at the end of July and a week later I went to a different UFMS office to apply for my work permit. Because I did not come to Russia for work, I was able to apply for my WP out of quota. I simply needed the usual - form completed and duplicated, a couple of passport photos and a notarised copy of my passport. About 10 days later I went back and picked up the WP. All without queuing :-)

When I picked up my WP, they gave me a form to give to my employer, who simply needed to complete this form and hand it in to the same FMS office, within 3 days of us signing contracts. He also needed to register me with a workers agency (Not sure what that is exactly) and with the tax office.

Technically, registering with the tax office is only required for foreign workers who have come to Russia for the purpose of work. But since the fines can be close to $100,000 we err'd on the side of caution.

That's it. The company where I work is small, 12 staff. They have never hired a foreigner before, and did not need to register as an employer of foreign workers, or apply for a quota place.

By the way, I am in Krasnoyarsk ... the law might be interpreted differently in other cities :-)

Now, if only I could find a way to get rid of this 30% tax bracket .... Just have to wait, I guess.

Bels
30-09-2009, 16:27
Good informative post by the way.
As a possible way to avoid 30% tax you might want to work for your company freelance. Get an entrepeneurs's license at the tax office and pay 6% tax. You of course would be classified as selfemployed, ands not an employee. Of course if you have lots of benefits coming from your company this might not be a good idea.

SV1973a
30-09-2009, 17:06
I do not know how they did it (cause I get my salary paid net), but my company paid 30% the first 6 months and then 13%. When they make your tax declaration, they claimed back the tax they paid too much.
I can guess that this will not be an easy procedure. Best get some professionals to help you.


I am in Russia on the basis of a TRP, issued out of quota as my wife is Russian. I can tell you my own experience, perhaps it will help someone.

My TRP was issued by one UFMS office at the end of July and a week later I went to a different UFMS office to apply for my work permit. Because I did not come to Russia for work, I was able to apply for my WP out of quota. I simply needed the usual - form completed and duplicated, a couple of passport photos and a notarised copy of my passport. About 10 days later I went back and picked up the WP. All without queuing :-)

When I picked up my WP, they gave me a form to give to my employer, who simply needed to complete this form and hand it in to the same FMS office, within 3 days of us signing contracts. He also needed to register me with a workers agency (Not sure what that is exactly) and with the tax office.

Technically, registering with the tax office is only required for foreign workers who have come to Russia for the purpose of work. But since the fines can be close to $100,000 we err'd on the side of caution.

That's it. The company where I work is small, 12 staff. They have never hired a foreigner before, and did not need to register as an employer of foreign workers, or apply for a quota place.

By the way, I am in Krasnoyarsk ... the law might be interpreted differently in other cities :-)

Now, if only I could find a way to get rid of this 30% tax bracket .... Just have to wait, I guess.

Moscow93
28-11-2009, 14:52
If you are a foreign national, then your application falls into the quota system. If the company who wants to hire you does not have a quota to hire foreigners, then the company cannot hire you, even if you have a valid work permit.

If you are in the process of applying for a work permit, then you should be pretty close to signing the contract with the company. I have not heard of a non-CIS national getting a work permit that is not sponsored by a company. It may be possible but it would be rare.

Good luck with the process. It is not an easy one.

Bels
28-11-2009, 17:44
If you are a foreign national, then your application falls into the quota system. If the company who wants to hire you does not have a quota to hire foreigners, then the company cannot hire you, even if you have a valid work permit.

If you are in the process of applying for a work permit, then you should be pretty close to signing the contract with the company. I have not heard of a non-CIS national getting a work permit that is not sponsored by a company. It may be possible but it would be rare.

Good luck with the process. It is not an easy one.

So what on earth do those with TRP do? First of all they have no need to leave the country. Secondly they don't have to and can't apply for a visa because they already have the TRP stamp. So where does that put them when trying to get a work permit from an employer. But as stated by many , and the FMS site welcoming TRP to phone them about work permit I can only assume that those who have TRP can get a work permit themselves.

Another poster here also claimed that those who have TRP are excluded from quota, another stated they are not excluded from quota. So to tell you the truth it is all very confusing.

But yes I do totally agree that all expats who requre a visa must get their work permit sorted out with ones employer.

J.Mitina
26-05-2010, 12:53
The situation is following; being a foreign citizen with TRP you should have to obtain WP as for employer employment permission is not required according to paragraph 3 Explanations about an attraction order for the foreign citizens who have received the status of temporary living on territory Russian of Federation, approved by Russia from March, 26th, 2007. WP is issued out of quota. Quota for attraction is necessary only for company (employer) to obtain employment permission.
As for now, if foreign citizen is highly-qualified specialist (foreign citizen earning not less than 2,000,000 rubles (approx $70,000) per year) than for such foreigner would be the taxation order of the resident of the Russian Federation (the 13% tax rate) from day one, as opposed to others who would need to spend at least 183 days in Russia before switching from the 30% non- resident rate.
The employer independently advances competence of the highly qualified specialist (on the basis of average professional or maximum vocational training, including scientific employees and teachers), sends the petition on issuing work permits, and also on invitation for purpose of obtaining entry visa on territory of the Russian Federation. The foreigner also has the right to declare it self as highly qualified specialist.
For a foreign citizen (highly-qualified specialist) now it will be possible to submit package of documents for issuing WP and simultaneous for PRP.

SV1973a
26-05-2010, 14:42
The situation is following; being a foreign citizen with TRP you should have to obtain WP as for employer employment permission is not required according to paragraph 3 Explanations about an attraction order for the foreign citizens who have received the status of temporary living on territory Russian of Federation, approved by Russia from March, 26th, 2007. WP is issued out of quota. Quota for attraction is necessary only for company (employer) to obtain employment permission.
As for now, if foreign citizen is highly-qualified specialist (foreign citizen earning not less than 2,000,000 rubles (approx $70,000) per year) than for such foreigner would be the taxation order of the resident of the Russian Federation (the 13% tax rate) from day one, as opposed to others who would need to spend at least 183 days in Russia before switching from the 30% non- resident rate.
The employer independently advances competence of the highly qualified specialist (on the basis of average professional or maximum vocational training, including scientific employees and teachers), sends the petition on issuing work permits, and also on invitation for purpose of obtaining entry visa on territory of the Russian Federation. The foreigner also has the right to declare it self as highly qualified specialist.
For a foreign citizen (highly-qualified specialist) now it will be possible to submit package of documents for issuing WP and simultaneous for PRP.

Wait a minute.
I have the TRP (since October 2009), I do have a WP, and I am a highly-qualified specialist (diploma was `nostrified` as a M.Sc. in Engineering degree by the Russian Ministery of Education).
My salary is well above the 70kUSD.

Here comes my question : can I apply for the PRP now, with these new rules as indicated above ?

J.Mitina
26-05-2010, 16:56
Wait a minute.
I have the TRP (since October 2009), I do have a WP, and I am a highly-qualified specialist (diploma was `nostrified` as a M.Sc. in Engineering degree by the Russian Ministery of Education).
My salary is well above the 70kUSD.

Here comes my question : can I apply for the PRP now, with these new rules as indicated above ?

Stated above changes in migration legislation will come in force since 1st of July 2010. At present the situation is that, what even employees of have no accurate understanding on functioning of this innovation. However there is an assumption that the given order will already extend on again submitted documents. I.e. you personally or your employer should declare you as the highly-qualified specialist by giving of data in state structures and already after official registration as the highly-qualified specialist you can submit new package of documents for issuing WPD (by the way period of validity WPD will be increased till 3 years) and on PRP.

SV1973a
27-05-2010, 00:53
Stated above changes in migration legislation will come in force since 1st of July 2010. At present the situation is that, what even employees of have no accurate understanding on functioning of this innovation. However there is an assumption that the given order will already extend on again submitted documents. I.e. you personally or your employer should declare you as the highly-qualified specialist by giving of data in state structures and already after official registration as the highly-qualified specialist you can submit new package of documents for issuing WPD (by the way period of validity WPD will be increased till 3 years) and on PRP.

That would really make my life in this country a whole lot easier.
I intend to investigate this, and see if it is possible for me to apply for PRP (immediately) as a `highly qualified` foreigner.
I guess that so far nobody (not even in FMS) is aware of the practical details.
I had a look at the text of this law, and it is all still a bit unclear to me.

J.Mitina
31-05-2010, 10:25
That would really make my life in this country a whole lot easier.
I intend to investigate this, and see if it is possible for me to apply for PRP (immediately) as a `highly qualified` foreigner.
I guess that so far nobody (not even in FMS) is aware of the practical details.
I had a look at the text of this law, and it is all still a bit unclear to me.

There are too much innovations and it will take time to see how it work, if you will have any questions you can ask me to clarify, maybe i will help you