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Miracle77777
29-12-2007, 13:10
Gosh...unbelieveable!!! I was out for a couple of hours and look what has happened here!!:eh:
Shame on you MVLZAK or who are you :nut::hippydj:
Thanks to Our Brave Admin, who doing such a good job as kicking out fakes and provocateurs!!!
Happy New Year to you!!

Guest
29-12-2007, 13:48
A special team was on the road to kick this guy's **** but they found an association for mentally ill people :(




Gosh...unbelieveable!!! I was out for a couple of hours and look what has happened here!!:eh:
Shame on you MVLZAK or who are you :nut::hippydj:
Thanks to Our Brave Admin, who doing such a good job as kicking out fakes and provocateurs!!!
Happy New Year to you!!

Judge
29-12-2007, 14:10
Good thread Miracle77777,the admin and mod team are short handed on here and do a good job,they should get a pat on the back for their hard work.
:respect:

Have a good new year everyone,,the party starts now..It's gonna be one long weekend.

Miracle77777
29-12-2007, 23:40
You right, Judge....Could not pat all of our Admin on the back....sigh ^-*
But could post for them this:

Happy New Year to All Expats And Russians!!!

Miracle77777
29-12-2007, 23:44
And this:

dick
30-12-2007, 07:18
Sorry I do not agree with any of you. I think you are all still in a state of shock from what has happen. The reason for the aggressive atmosphere here on this site is a lack of moderation. This site has rules and those rules are not enforced. If they were none of this would have happened.

Guest and Judge, I sent you a copy of a complaint I sent to the administration last night. Why did I do this? Because of a total lack of faith in the administration here. In this you can see that I complained about ezik supporting Clean32 my harasser. You see not only did Clean32 break every rule this forum has. A moderator backed him and also join in the attack. That is the main reason Clean32 acted in such a confidant manor. Give someone ultimate power and you will see, the true person they are, by the way they use that power.

This forum has rules like in real live for most of us, if we don't enforce those rules you get chaos or bardak. Some would say acting like a bunch of animals. Which I think is opposite, animals that live together in packs or flocks, don't fight or kill each other. They do what is best for the survival of their kind. They are ruled by the law of nature which is or can be very unforgiving, and harsh by our standards. I wonder if monkeys say " your acting like a bunch of humans" when a few get out of line. It would seem to me more appropriate, specially after what I've seen go on at this forum.


I've heard more than a few times from expats here that Russians can't take criticism and that it is given with the best in mind for Russia. I would take this as a lesson for all of us and that we should thank Mvlzac and his team.

Do you realise that this was not a bunch of kids! These were professionals! Who came here and analysed this forum. If it were my forum I would be on the phone getting the information that has been collected if I really wanted to improve my business and know more about what makes people use and participate in this forum.

But instead I hear oh that was so bad how could they? I thought it was amazing and masterful how they did it. I feel honored to witness it and be a part of it.

If I were Clean32 and Bels, The Dynamic Duo of expat.ru I would not show my nick around here for a very long time. They were made complete fools. The Dynamic Duo, Fatman and Bels the boy blunder.

Sorry if I thought that was great watching Clean32 get so tired defending him self that he could only repeat "you lie" and Bels call for help because he was out of reds. Yes I'm sick because I for one enjoyed the whole thing.

I was not a part of their team, they did let me in on the whole thing a little before they let everyone know what was really going on. They use and fooled me just like everyone here and maybe more. I have no hard feeling for them and would like to shake their hand and say congratulations for a job well done.

Mvlzac my hats off to you!


Me well I'm as Sal would say " I'm out of here"
I can not take part in a forum that lets people like Clean32 and Bels take part.

It's all yours Bels you can now have it all to yourself, GO NUTS!!!!

Lady Marmalade
30-12-2007, 08:14
Clean32 is perfectly capable of abiding by the rules if he so chooses, I've seen it in action. He cuts it very close on occasion on that other not to be named site that some of you loathe, but he is fully capable of writing posts with no bad language what so ever. Most of us are indifferent to which site we frequent and read both sites and post on both sites, so yes, you might have a good argument for moderation. However, good luck finding the happy medium, balancing is tricky, you try to moderate all things and some users will complain that you're moderating like nazis and that you're not letting people express themselves, and when you moderate nothing, you're in hot water from other users who prefer super clean forums and some threads descend into complete anarchy. Tricky, very tricky.

I have to say that other thread with the multiple users posting under the one avatar was one of the strangest threads I've read on either of Moscow's two most frequented expat sites for the whole of December. Wow. That's all I can say. The purpose of either site is to help each other out and give information. Happy New Years Everyone! For me it's :bedtime:

SalTheReturn
30-12-2007, 14:37
Sorry I do not agree with any of you. I think you are all still in a state of shock from what has happen. The reason for the aggressive atmosphere here on this site is a lack of moderation. This site has rules and those rules are not enforced. If they were none of this would have happened.

Guest and Judge, I sent you a copy of a complaint I sent to the administration last night. Why did I do this? Because of a total lack of faith in the administration here. In this you can see that I complained about ezik supporting Clean32 my harasser. You see not only did Clean32 break every rule this forum has. A moderator backed him and also join in the attack. That is the main reason Clean32 acted in such a confidant manor. Give someone ultimate power and you will see, the true person they are, by the way they use that power.

This forum has rules like in real live for most of us, if we don't enforce those rules you get chaos or bardak. Some would say acting like a bunch of animals. Which I think is opposite, animals that live together in packs or flocks, don't fight or kill each other. They do what is best for the survival of their kind. They are ruled by the law of nature which is or can be very unforgiving, and harsh by our standards. I wonder if monkeys say " your acting like a bunch of humans" when a few get out of line. It would seem to me more appropriate, specially after what I've seen go on at this forum.


I've heard more than a few times from expats here that Russians can't take criticism and that it is given with the best in mind for Russia. I would take this as a lesson for all of us and that we should thank Mvlzac and his team.

Do you realise that this was not a bunch of kids! These were professionals! Who came here and analysed this forum. If it were my forum I would be on the phone getting the information that has been collected if I really wanted to improve my business and know more about what makes people use and participate in this forum.

But instead I hear oh that was so bad how could they? I thought it was amazing and masterful how they did it. I feel honored to witness it and be a part of it.

If I were Clean32 and Bels, The Dynamic Duo of expat.ru I would not show my nick around here for a very long time. They were made complete fools. The Dynamic Duo, Fatman and Bels the boy blunder.

Sorry if I thought that was great watching Clean32 get so tired defending him self that he could only repeat "you lie" and Bels call for help because he was out of reds. Yes I'm sick because I for one enjoyed the whole thing.

I was not a part of their team, they did let me in on the whole thing a little before they let everyone know what was really going on. They use and fooled me just like everyone here and maybe more. I have no hard feeling for them and would like to shake their hand and say congratulations for a job well done.

Mvlzac my hats off to you!


Me well I'm as Sal would say " I'm out of here"
I can not take part in a forum that lets people like Clean32 and Bels take part.

It's all yours Bels you can now have it all to yourself, GO NUTS!!!!

I do not think someone from "the powers that be" will ever respond you, as concern the mods I guess they have better stuff to take care for and Ezik made it present quite well when affirming he would not have cared for all the kids behaviour going on here

I told to Bels this already by redding him: stop picking on the others and watch more careful the behaviour of Clean32. Objectively analyse the situation (if you are capable of this) and get your facts straight about who is tecnically to blame. For instance it should take you nothing to realize that Clean32 and I calmed down towards each other because I was the one to make a step in that direction.
Unfortunately Dick enjoy more than me the virtual diatribe with Clean32 and likes to keep it going.

Clean32 ha made NO informative posts as some of you (actually only Bels) are stating, if he did please show it to me.

Biased people seems not to understand that the permanent slandering of other individuals which Clean32 has adopted can really bother some (some but not all, for instance I find it amazing).

This is not a rant towards Clean32, I had a beer few days ago with someone who met him, and told me "Sal in the real world you would never argue with this guy because he is kinda cool"

Favoritova has a point but what I do not get it is the following: if rules are written I suppose they are written in a way which should leave no room for interpretation/manipulation. Hence all tecnical infractions should be dealt for accordingly. If you steal a piece of bread in a shop, you are still a robber even if you stole it because your kids have nothing to eat. This is the frame in which rules should be enforced.
No particolarism, no exceptions.
You tecnically break the rules and you are out.

(the above mentioned method "decisions made only on the base of tecnical infractions" - has never been enacted nor in the old expat nor in redtape; though the latter may provide you with solid explanations like "if we have more complaints about you we are going to ban you". This make sense to me considering a business it is always a business)

All decisions I guess should be taken considering I (as a user) am the one who keep the forum going: the relation should be the one client-service provider. Dick is a client as all others and deserve meticolous explanations.

Anyway this internet world really sucks. This site has meant a lot to me (old version of expat.ru), has managed to find jobs and few nice people I am still in touch with, but guess the good old times are over.

You take care

Sal

Bels
31-12-2007, 19:10
WOW! The last of the Mohicans. How do you do it :)




Sorry I do not agree with any of you. I think you are all still in a state of shock from what has happen. The reason for the aggressive atmosphere here on this site is a lack of moderation. This site has rules and those rules are not enforced. If they were none of this would have happened.

Guest and Judge, I sent you a copy of a complaint I sent to the administration last night. Why did I do this? Because of a total lack of faith in the administration here. In this you can see that I complained about ezik supporting Clean32 my harasser. You see not only did Clean32 break every rule this forum has. A moderator backed him and also join in the attack. That is the main reason Clean32 acted in such a confidant manor. Give someone ultimate power and you will see, the true person they are, by the way they use that power.

This forum has rules like in real live for most of us, if we don't enforce those rules you get chaos or bardak. Some would say acting like a bunch of animals. Which I think is opposite, animals that live together in packs or flocks, don't fight or kill each other. They do what is best for the survival of their kind. They are ruled by the law of nature which is or can be very unforgiving, and harsh by our standards. I wonder if monkeys say " your acting like a bunch of humans" when a few get out of line. It would seem to me more appropriate, specially after what I've seen go on at this forum.


I've heard more than a few times from expats here that Russians can't take criticism and that it is given with the best in mind for Russia. I would take this as a lesson for all of us and that we should thank Mvlzac and his team.

Do you realise that this was not a bunch of kids! These were professionals! Who came here and analysed this forum. If it were my forum I would be on the phone getting the information that has been collected if I really wanted to improve my business and know more about what makes people use and participate in this forum.

But instead I hear oh that was so bad how could they? I thought it was amazing and masterful how they did it. I feel honored to witness it and be a part of it.

If I were Clean32 and Bels, The Dynamic Duo of expat.ru I would not show my nick around here for a very long time. They were made complete fools. The Dynamic Duo, Fatman and Bels the boy blunder.

Sorry if I thought that was great watching Clean32 get so tired defending him self that he could only repeat "you lie" and Bels call for help because he was out of reds. Yes I'm sick because I for one enjoyed the whole thing.

I was not a part of their team, they did let me in on the whole thing a little before they let everyone know what was really going on. They use and fooled me just like everyone here and maybe more. I have no hard feeling for them and would like to shake their hand and say congratulations for a job well done.

Mvlzac my hats off to you!


Me well I'm as Sal would say " I'm out of here"
I can not take part in a forum that lets people like Clean32 and Bels take part.

It's all yours Bels you can now have it all to yourself, GO NUTS!!!!

Bels
31-12-2007, 19:26
And it appears that your scandalous hate threads have been deleted DICK !
By the moderators no doubt. But I saw them, through my emails. You are an unsavoury character! Dick! You know you like it !!

ezik
02-01-2008, 23:59
Call it a lack of moderation or call it moderators trusting members to act like adults.

Dick, you have been sending stuff about me to other members, non-moderators, questioning my neutrality and suggesting that i am sending members after you to bash you.

The aggressive athmosphere here is due to users like you, who out of nowhere start picking on the site and its members, without contributing ANY constructive post.

Don't be a coward and gossip about me. Take it up with me or a mod. I've replied to the PM that one member was friendly enough to forward me. Now it's your turn.



Sorry I do not agree with any of you. I think you are all still in a state of shock from what has happen. The reason for the aggressive atmosphere here on this site is a lack of moderation. This site has rules and those rules are not enforced. If they were none of this would have happened.

Guest and Judge, I sent you a copy of a complaint I sent to the administration last night. Why did I do this? Because of a total lack of faith in the administration here. In this you can see that I complained about ezik supporting Clean32 my harasser. You see not only did Clean32 break every rule this forum has. A moderator backed him and also join in the attack. That is the main reason Clean32 acted in such a confidant manor. Give someone ultimate power and you will see, the true person they are, by the way they use that power.

This forum has rules like in real live for most of us, if we don't enforce those rules you get chaos or bardak. Some would say acting like a bunch of animals. Which I think is opposite, animals that live together in packs or flocks, don't fight or kill each other. They do what is best for the survival of their kind. They are ruled by the law of nature which is or can be very unforgiving, and harsh by our standards. I wonder if monkeys say " your acting like a bunch of humans" when a few get out of line. It would seem to me more appropriate, specially after what I've seen go on at this forum.


I've heard more than a few times from expats here that Russians can't take criticism and that it is given with the best in mind for Russia. I would take this as a lesson for all of us and that we should thank Mvlzac and his team.

Do you realise that this was not a bunch of kids! These were professionals! Who came here and analysed this forum. If it were my forum I would be on the phone getting the information that has been collected if I really wanted to improve my business and know more about what makes people use and participate in this forum.

But instead I hear oh that was so bad how could they? I thought it was amazing and masterful how they did it. I feel honored to witness it and be a part of it.

If I were Clean32 and Bels, The Dynamic Duo of expat.ru I would not show my nick around here for a very long time. They were made complete fools. The Dynamic Duo, Fatman and Bels the boy blunder.

Sorry if I thought that was great watching Clean32 get so tired defending him self that he could only repeat "you lie" and Bels call for help because he was out of reds. Yes I'm sick because I for one enjoyed the whole thing.

I was not a part of their team, they did let me in on the whole thing a little before they let everyone know what was really going on. They use and fooled me just like everyone here and maybe more. I have no hard feeling for them and would like to shake their hand and say congratulations for a job well done.

Mvlzac my hats off to you!


Me well I'm as Sal would say " I'm out of here"
I can not take part in a forum that lets people like Clean32 and Bels take part.

It's all yours Bels you can now have it all to yourself, GO NUTS!!!!

dick
03-01-2008, 03:19
Call it a lack of moderation or call it moderators trusting members to act like adults.

Dick, you have been sending stuff about me to other members, non-moderators, questioning my neutrality and suggesting that i am sending members after you to bash you.

The aggressive athmosphere here is due to users like you, who out of nowhere start picking on the site and its members, without contributing ANY constructive post.

Don't be a coward and gossip about me. Take it up with me or a mod. I've replied to the PM that one member was friendly enough to forward me. Now it's your turn.


Members of this site don't act like adults do they.

Again a bias post from you ezik, OUT OF NOWHERE? I don't know how many times I have to say this but WHO CAME TO MY INTRO AND CALLED ME A BLACK ASS FROM A WORM PLACE ON MY THIRD DAY ON THIS FORUM? Right there he broke at least two of the forum rules (insulting and thread stealing not to mention it was a racist remark) I had not made many post in my three days here and had not insulted anyone. So where you get this out of nowhere I don't know. He was even warned for this and that did not stop him from his attacks on me. You even locked my thread that had over a 100 post for what? This guy who has people join this forum to tell him to be more sensitive to others cultures. People doing a study on this forum became so disgusted with him they went against their bosses instructions to tell this guy off. He has been fighting with and insulting Sal long before I got here and he just did it again today and what will happen? NOTHING! Who followed Natalie Apple around calling her a whore and saying she was a joke? You want to blame me for that? How many others did he insult? Go back and read the post from Mvlzac company, they have stats on him and can show you how many constructive post he has. Not many. I suppose when he tried to slander me in the thread where I posted that my rental property was robbed that was a useful post.

The PM I sent to TD I also sent to Guest, Judge, TGP, and Koroty Gennady.
It was looked at unlike some of the others I had sent. Will anything be done about it? I don't think so. Why are you so upset about it ezik? Because now people know you get complains and you do nothing about them?

Look at this last post by me ezik, It was the most constructive post on this forum. If you won't look at your own faults you will never improve yourself and it is you that needs improvement.

You call me a coward? You a mod on this site trying to insult me?

Like I said I took up a lot with the mods here and nothing ever happened.

So why was Clean32 allowed to insult, har**** slander, and be rude to me and others on this site? Why when he used the word c**t in a post to Sal and got a warning from Bossco was that warning dropped and who asked Bossco to drop it? Why was he not warned before about his swearing?

Remember ezik it was your friend who insulted me first. It was you that did nothing about it. It was you who gave him the confidence that nothing would happen if he insulted me or anyone here. And you want to put the blame on me?


Yes ezik I call it a lack of moderation and common sense. So what your saying you think you can trust people from all over the world not to come here and break the rules? You can't even trust your friend not to do it.

Your whole post makes you sound incompetent ezik and when someone showed people your incompetents you get mad. Like a child spanked by his father.

I've done more for you and this site than all the brown nosers you listen to here. Once you are done crying, maybe you will figure that out for yourself. But until then you and this site will not improve.


One more thing while I'm here and have you attention, Check the thread about ties in Expat Cafe your boy insulted Sal again.

I did report that. I would like to see if anything was done about it.

Remember this ezik I'm gone I won't post anymore here so we will see who is right. as of now it's me.

See ya!

SalTheReturn
03-01-2008, 11:53
Members of this site don't act like adults do they.

Again a bias post from you ezik, OUT OF NOWHERE? I don't know how many times I have to say this but WHO CAME TO MY INTRO AND CALLED ME A BLACK ASS FROM A WORM PLACE ON MY THIRD DAY ON THIS FORUM? Right there he broke at least two of the forum rules (insulting and thread stealing not to mention it was a racist remark) I had not made many post in my three days here and had not insulted anyone. So where you get this out of nowhere I don't know. He was even warned for this and that did not stop him from his attacks on me. You even locked my thread that had over a 100 post for what? This guy who has people join this forum to tell him to be more sensitive to others cultures. People doing a study on this forum became so disgusted with him they went against their bosses instructions to tell this guy off. He has been fighting with and insulting Sal long before I got here and he just did it again today and what will happen? NOTHING! Who followed Natalie Apple around calling her a whore and saying she was a joke? You want to blame me for that? How many others did he insult? Go back and read the post from Mvlzac company, they have stats on him and can show you how many constructive post he has. Not many. I suppose when he tried to slander me in the thread where I posted that my rental property was robbed that was a useful post.

The PM I sent to TD I also sent to Guest, Judge, TGP, and Koroty Gennady.
It was looked at unlike some of the others I had sent. Will anything be done about it? I don't think so. Why are you so upset about it ezik? Because now people know you get complains and you do nothing about them?

Look at this last post by me ezik, It was the most constructive post on this forum. If you won't look at your own faults you will never improve yourself and it is you that needs improvement.

You call me a coward? You a mod on this site trying to insult me?

Like I said I took up a lot with the mods here and nothing ever happened.

So why was Clean32 allowed to insult, har**** slander, and be rude to me and others on this site? Why when he used the word c**t in a post to Sal and got a warning from Bossco was that warning dropped and who asked Bossco to drop it? Why was he not warned before about his swearing?

Remember ezik it was your friend who insulted me first. It was you that did nothing about it. It was you who gave him the confidence that nothing would happen if he insulted me or anyone here. And you want to put the blame on me?


Yes ezik I call it a lack of moderation and common sense. So what your saying you think you can trust people from all over the world not to come here and break the rules? You can't even trust your friend not to do it.

Your whole post makes you sound incompetent ezik and when someone showed people your incompetents you get mad. Like a child spanked by his father.

I've done more for you and this site than all the brown nosers you listen to here. Once you are done crying, maybe you will figure that out for yourself. But until then you and this site will not improve.


One more thing while I'm here and have you attention, Check the thread about ties in Expat Cafe your boy insulted Sal again.

I did report that. I would like to see if anything was done about it.

Remember this ezik I'm gone I won't post anymore here so we will see who is right. as of now it's me.

See ya!

and let me add that till they will not brave to warn clean32 the right way he should be warned, this site might keep being full of personal attacks and swear words

Bels was the first one not to understand that

as the all of you can see I do not care much about insults (which I received even via PM LOL LOL LOL) but I care about equity of the laws

and i want this site to be an informative point of reference for lots of people

we all gotta work for this

Sal

Bels
03-01-2008, 12:19
Have you both not heard of the phrase such as "Let old dogs lie". It gets rather irritating if you keep harrassing members around the forum for such a long period without attempting to come up with a solution like adults.

I'm not stating that that members such as clean32 have always been perfect, but he doesn't appear to have this permanent hate vendetta such as you two have had.
And he does generally use this forum in a friendly, unselfish and informative manner. In fact he can be very helpful if needed. If only he wasn't provoked all the time he tries to participate here.

He has a right to his views and opinions like anyone else here. I've discovered he's like most members here, if you treat him with respect he will return that respect.

In regards to Sal, I thought that this joint decision to give sal back his green badge would have solved the problem with sal, unfortunately it didn't. He continued even more with his hatred.

In regards to the others? well you all should know by now, that was a completely different story. The two above simply joined this bandwagon.

No credit to them, or it. Very selfish and non-contriuting person or people, who had an illusion of having more intellience than us expats and English speaking Russian members.

Let's make it perfectly clear, it was much bigger than the dynamic duo. There was a much bigger gang involved. Let's call it the alliance, and thank you The alliance for doing such a great job. And well said Guest !!! We kicked out the mentaly insane.

Guest
03-01-2008, 12:19
and i want this site to be an informative point of reference for lots of people


Which "informative" posts did you write about Russia, on your 1862 posts from Italy?

_

SalTheReturn
03-01-2008, 12:32
Which "informative" posts did you write about Russia, on your 1862 posts from Italy?

_

1)found reliable philippino cleaners to stranded expat families in Moscow
2)have been willing to chat with whoever wanted to practice italian
3)given contacts for italian teachers
4)spotted the mayor flaws contained in the posts of certain posters so that they had to admit they were either 1)biased 2)fascists proclaiming themselves as liberals
5)having addressed few people at some good (crap) club

look Guest (and Bels) in concrete I have helped much more than some of the members you may think...in fact i have seen no informative post from Clean for ages (informative post means providing people with phone numbers they can call to have their problem solved)

Bels I have nothing against Clean and you look so ridicolous in saying I have followed him around. In fact an external judge would surely agree with me.
sad Bels, disappointed

Bels
03-01-2008, 12:57
1)found reliable philippino cleaners to stranded expat families in Moscow
2)have been willing to chat with whoever wanted to practice italian
3)given contacts for italian teachers
4)spotted the mayor flaws contained in the posts of certain posters so that they had to admit they were either 1)biased 2)fascists proclaiming themselves as liberals
5)having addressed few people at some good (crap) club

look Guest (and Bels) in concrete I have helped much more than some of the members you may think...in fact i have seen no informative post from Clean for ages (informative post means providing people with phone numbers they can call to have their problem solved)

Bels I have nothing against Clean and you look so ridicolous in saying I have followed him around. In fact an external judge would surely agree with me.
sad Bels, disappointed

I was referring to Dick sal!! But you have done it in the past. And what do you think about the use and abuse and abuse of philipinos as being underpaid second class citizens. I saw one underpaid advert here on classified of a Philippino being paid about 80 a week for working 12 hours a day !!!! And an English Nanny being offered 500 a week.

Guest
03-01-2008, 13:00
1)found reliable philippino cleaners to stranded expat families in Moscow


LOL!!! I hope you are joking... There are tons of such ads on this forum! I hope that "your" was at least LEGALLY working and CORRECTLY paid...



2)have been willing to chat with whoever wanted to practice italian

Great, I will search your posts in Italian, as I practice a bit! I think I will find 3 or 4, maybe.



3)given contacts for italian teachers

OK, good



4)spotted the mayor flaws contained in the posts of certain posters so that they had to admit they were either 1)biased 2)fascists proclaiming themselves as liberals


People are free to proclaim themselves as whatever they want. Are you living in such a fascist country, so you can judge people and want make them think differently?

You proclaimed yourself in a post yesterday as "liberal". It makes me laugh, what does "liberal" mean? You like playing with words, and it is not very "informative", to use your own words!

But I have to admit that, to attack persons who don't share your opinions, you know how to do it, and that explains your 1865++ posts!



5)having addressed few people at some good (crap) club

Ah yes, the Boar House and Hemmingway's :)



look Guest (and Bels) in concrete I have helped much more than some of the members you may think...in fact i have seen no informative post from Clean for ages (informative post means providing people with phone numbers they can call to have their problem solved)

I don't usually read Clean's posts as I know they show exact information but that do not concern me directly (teachers for example), but as far as I remember, he posts a lot of informative posts. About teaching so, but also about working and immigration problems.


"informative" means supply a phone number? LOL!!! If so, what is the interest of a PUBLIC FORUM, if you want all to be discussed and solved by PHONE? Make me laugh again, please!



Bels I have nothing against Clean and you look so ridicolous in saying I have followed him around. In fact an external judge would surely agree with me.


Well, a judge now :) You are pathetic!! Judges are the forum members who give "thanks" on posts, reputation points (green, not reds...) and who just say they are happy to find replies to their questions on this forum.



sad Bels, disappointed


You will make me cry now, you are soooo dispapointed, Sal-Calimero!

dick
03-01-2008, 14:54
First Guest if nobody answered Sal he would get tried and go away, so you must have fun chewing Sal out, but it is a big waste of time. I think you'd have a better chance convincing a wall that it's a window then changing Sal's mind.

You can not be talking about Clean32, knowing about teaching? He doesn't teach, working here, he doesn't work, immigration? he's been wrong more times than not. Like the last one about do you have to carry your docs on you at all times. He was wrong. You also gave incomplete info on citizenship, you forgot the Russian language test people have to take.

I would like to ask you why don't you want people to follow the rules here?
Why would you think someone who breaks every rule this forum has is good for this forum? You don't have to answer just like you to think about it.

You are too important for this forum and your rep is real not like the ones who give greenies back and forth with their buddys.

Korotky Gennady
03-01-2008, 15:18
1)found reliable philippino cleaners to stranded expat families in Moscow

2)have been willing to chat with whoever wanted to practice italian



1. So you admit at last what a pimp you are if you are on errands for the russian riches ! :fireworks:

2. You never replied me a word when i tried to speak italian to you... :yikes:

Bels
03-01-2008, 15:27
First Guest if nobody answered Sal he would get tried and go away, so you must have fun chewing Sal out, but it is a big waste of time. I think you'd have a better chance convincing a wall that it's a window then changing Sal's mind.

You can not be talking about Clean32, knowing about teaching? He doesn't teach, working here, he doesn't work, immigration? he's been wrong more times than not. Like the last one about do you have to carry your docs on you at all times. He was wrong. You also gave incomplete info on citizenship, you forgot the Russian language test people have to take.

I would like to ask you why don't you want people to follow the rules here?
Why would you think someone who breaks every rule this forum has is good for this forum? You don't have to answer just like you to think about it.

You are too important for this forum and your rep is real not like the ones who give greenies back and forth with their buddys.

You've just proven to me and many otheres that you've had no idea what's been going on in the background of this forum Dick :) :) :)

And I'm not going to tell you, but with what you have just stated proves to many here that you simply have no idea what you are talking about.

It's right here, in your face and you can't even see it.

dick
03-01-2008, 15:46
You've just proven to me and many otheres that you've had no idea what's been going on in the background of this forum Dick :) :) :)

And I'm not going to tell you, but with what you have just stated proves to many here that you simply have no idea what you are talking about.

It's right here, in your face and you can't even see it.


Bels I don't care what goes on in the background. I care what goes in the forum. The one that people read and post in. Stop plotting with people who want to take over here and think they don't have to follow the rules.

Bels
03-01-2008, 15:50
But they do follow the rules, you don't. By constantly slandering a few individuals here and not posting anything polite and worthwhile. Yes, it's right here in the forum, right in front of you and you don't want to see it.

dick
03-01-2008, 16:14
But they do follow the rules, you don't. By constantly slandering a few individuals here and not posting anything polite and worthwhile. Yes, it's right here in the forum, right in front of you and you don't want to see it.


One person Bels just one did I insult. The one who insulted me first, you like to over look this fact.

Go to the info thread and find my post there, I was thanked and told I helped greatly.

So stop lying

Bels
03-01-2008, 16:20
One person Bels just one did I insult. The one who insulted me first, you like to over look this fact.

Go to the info thread and find my post there, I was thanked and told I helped greatly.

So stop lying

But you won't let go!!!! You are too obsessed with this one issue!!! And it's been going on far too long.

Why can't you solve a problem like an adult. And then perhaps we might just come up with an amnesty. Or let us come up with a peace treaty :)

SalTheReturn
03-01-2008, 16:40
LOL!!! I hope you are joking... There are tons of such ads on this forum! I hope that "your" was at least LEGALLY working and CORRECTLY paid...




Great, I will search your posts in Italian, as I practice a bit! I think I will find 3 or 4, maybe.




OK, good





People are free to proclaim themselves as whatever they want. Are you living in such a fascist country, so you can judge people and want make them think differently?

You proclaimed yourself in a post yesterday as "liberal". It makes me laugh, what does "liberal" mean? You like playing with words, and it is not very "informative", to use your own words!

But I have to admit that, to attack persons who don't share your opinions, you know how to do it, and that explains your 1865++ posts!




Ah yes, the Boar House and Hemmingway's :)




I don't usually read Clean's posts as I know they show exact information but that do not concern me directly (teachers for example), but as far as I remember, he posts a lot of informative posts. About teaching so, but also about working and immigration problems.


"informative" means supply a phone number? LOL!!! If so, what is the interest of a PUBLIC FORUM, if you want all to be discussed and solved by PHONE? Make me laugh again, please!





Well, a judge now :) You are pathetic!! Judges are the forum members who give "thanks" on posts, reputation points (green, not reds...) and who just say they are happy to find replies to their questions on this forum.





You will make me cry now, you are soooo dispapointed, Sal-Calimero!

Guest there was an italian family around here and guess they appreciated my advice

legally? are you kidding me? they are the same people working for mary poppins...are you really concerned about their wages? pls do sth about that, they get just 150py per hour...pls forwards your complaints to them directly!!!

Guest informative means "look here, call this number, this people will be able to help you". you have surely seens how many requests get just comments and not solutions. solutions it is what i provide

Guest, I have been 2 times in 18months to the BH and nver to Hemmingway
the place i usually suggest are the following: Gippopotam, KarmaBar, SorryBabushka, Kult, Park Avenue (as a one off), Che, etc... blame those who keep crappy places like BH profiting, not me dude!!!

clean has not provided as many solution as i did

Guest I can surely affirm the following: i am a member who is always willing to help

Bels, immigrants are exploited all over...whats your point? thoug i was feeling very sad for the racism phillippinos experienced:-(((

take care

Sal

ezik
03-01-2008, 18:46
Again a bias post from you ezik, OUT OF NOWHERE?


I don't know how many times I have to say this but WHO CAME TO MY INTRO AND CALLED ME A BLACK ASS FROM A WORM PLACE ON MY THIRD DAY ON THIS FORUM? Right there he broke at least two of the forum rules (insulting and thread stealing not to mention it was a racist remark) I had not made many post in my three days here and had not insulted anyone. So where you get this out of nowhere I don't know. He was even warned for this and that did not stop him from his attacks on me. You even locked my thread that had over a 100 post for what?

I locked the threat as it had gotten way out of hand. You focus on Clean32, but if you read back the whole thread, you might pick up on the fact that it wasn't just him raising some eyebrows. He shouldn't have insulted you, but I think that was established already a long time ago. Clean32 got infracted for that post.


This guy who has people join this forum to tell him to be more sensitive to others cultures. People doing a study on this forum became so disgusted with him they went against their bosses instructions to tell this guy off. He has been fighting with and insulting Sal long before I got here and he just did it again today and what will happen? NOTHING! Who followed Natalie Apple around calling her a whore and saying she was a joke? You want to blame me for that? How many others did he insult? Go back and read the post from Mvlzac company, they have stats on him and can show you how many constructive post he has. Not many. I suppose when he tried to slander me in the thread where I posted that my rental property was robbed that was a useful post.

This is what I indeed would call lack of moderation (not denying anything here), but there have been complaints by PM and they were acted upon. Again, we're hardly talking about saints here.


The PM I sent to TD I also sent to Guest, Judge, TGP, and Koroty Gennady.
It was looked at unlike some of the others I had sent. Will anything be done about it? I don't think so. Why are you so upset about it ezik? Because now people know you get complains and you do nothing about them?

You're free to complain about me, of course, go ahead. But you're not free to spread lies, as you did in that particular PM.


Look at this last post by me ezik, It was the most constructive post on this forum. If you won't look at your own faults you will never improve yourself and it is you that needs improvement.

Which last post?


You call me a coward? You a mod on this site trying to insult me?

No, I advice you not to be or become one. See my previous post.


Like I said I took up a lot with the mods here and nothing ever happened.

Makes one wonder why, doesn't it?


So why was Clean32 allowed to insult, har**** slander, and be rude to me and others on this site? Why when he used the word c**t in a post to Sal and got a warning from Bossco was that warning dropped and who asked Bossco to drop it? Why was he not warned before about his swearing?

Like I said, Clean32 was warned. And I'm not going to comment on actions taken by colleague-mods.


Remember ezik it was your friend who insulted me first. It was you that did nothing about it. It was you who gave him the confidence that nothing would happen if he insulted me or anyone here. And you want to put the blame on me?

You're suggesting things that are not true.


Yes ezik I call it a lack of moderation and common sense. So what your saying you think you can trust people from all over the world not to come here and break the rules? You can't even trust your friend not to do it.

Your whole post makes you sound incompetent ezik and when someone showed people your incompetents you get mad. Like a child spanked by his father.

Read this back and ask yourself if this is a friendly way of behaving and very effective of gathering understanding.


I've done more for you and this site than all the brown nosers you listen to here. Once you are done crying, maybe you will figure that out for yourself. But until then you and this site will not improve.

Idem: "brown nosers", now how would that be perceived by anyone who reads it?

And I'm not aware of anything that you may have done for me.


One more thing while I'm here and have you attention, Check the thread about ties in Expat Cafe your boy insulted Sal again.

I did report that. I would like to see if anything was done about it.

Remember this ezik I'm gone I won't post anymore here so we will see who is right. as of now it's me.

See ya!

:duhhhh:

Guest
03-01-2008, 18:51
You also gave incomplete info on citizenship, you forgot the Russian language test people have to take.


Dick, you lost a good opportunity to shut up, as there is NO Russian language test when anybody applies to the Russian citizenship.

I won't even reply to the other points of your post, I will just send you a few reds for this :)

Guest
03-01-2008, 18:53
1. So you admit at last what a pimp you are if you are on errands for the russian riches !


He is maybe Berezovski eye in Italy?



2. You never replied me a word when i tried to speak italian to you... :yikes:

And to me too :( I told him "cafone" and never got any reply :( Maybe he is racist against Italian speaking Russians... That is what he calls "being a liberal"!

Lady Marmalade
03-01-2008, 20:02
I'm not stating that that members such as clean32 have always been perfect, but he doesn't appear to have this permanent hate vendetta such as you two have had.
And he does generally use this forum in a friendly, unselfish and informative manner. In fact he can be very helpful if needed. If only he wasn't provoked all the time he tries to participate here.

He has a right to his views and opinions like anyone else here. I've discovered he's like most members here, if you treat him with respect he will return that respect.



For the first time in a awhile, I absolutely agree with Bels. LOL!:rasta: If there was less of this:bash:, and we could manage a little more respect, probably, for a majority of posters here, I assume the same courtesy would be given back. Though perhaps this is wishful thinking.

However I guarantee you one thing, there's no point bashing Clean32 out the door, he is totally capable of contributing when he feels like it. He is capable of writing full on grammatically correct posts where the words are spelled properly and there isn't a swear word in there if he wants too, but most of the time he doesn't. He fully abides by the rules when he knows the rules are enforced, so there is no point pointing a finger at him as a bad example of breaking rules. He breaks the rules because he's allowed to. Simple as that.

I believe that there are only two moderators perhaps on this site, so correct me by all means if I'm wrong. There's no point blaming them or going after Ezik for everything that goes amuck here all the time. And those two moderators have full time jobs and are not paid for their time on site to moderate. And if those rules that everyone thinks should be in place for posting were all of the sudden applied, and certain members ended up on temporary ban, or crying foul because their right to free expression is being moderated, what then? There are no right or wrong answers. Again, correct me if I'm wrong. I don't even know how many people make up the Admin team on this site anymore, not a clue. Although I think TD still does most of the site's technical stuff.

I think we are looking at a small number of posters here who have issues with each other, and I'm not saying who did what to whom and when because I haven't read all the threads and I'm not going to. But everytime this stuff comes up, it's the same people involved, they usually include in no particular order Bels, Clean32, Dick, Guest, GK, Sal, Traveller, and that multiple log in personality poster. Did I miss anyone? So, perhaps it should be up to you guys to sort yourselves out and come to some sort of set of guidelines you would be willing to respect and abide by.

Then there are the posters who post in between all this stuff, posters like VladSkyWolf, Margo, Miracle7777, Xsnoofovitch, Judge, Alterego, MickeyTong, AndreyS and whole lot of others whose contributions kind of get lost in the middle of the mud slinging entertainment.

I know what Bels wants for this site because he is consistent in what he speaks about. For the rest of you. I don't know. What do you want this site to be and what does it mean to you and what is your primary reason for using it?

Bels
03-01-2008, 20:25
Apart from a very minute minority, you are wrong on one very important issue. You mentioned many who are already big happy family here, and who sorted ourselves out a long time ago. But as you stated, that's because you haven't read all the posts. You've probaly been spending too much time on another forum.

And you've forotten the smaller badges members who are rapidly rising in more badges.

But well done, you have seen more than Dick has seen.

Bels
03-01-2008, 20:31
And I gave you a thanks :) for perhaps the first time. Why?? I liked your last paragraph

SalTheReturn
03-01-2008, 21:19
i use it for the sake of using it, no particular aim
take care
Sal

Miracle77777
03-01-2008, 22:13
First Guest if nobody answered Sal he would get tried and go away, so you must have fun chewing Sal out, but it is a big waste of time. I think you'd have a better chance convincing a wall that it's a window then changing Sal's mind..


Or convince Dick that he is not so bad as try to show it :goblin:


You are too important for this forum and your rep is real not like the ones who give greenies back and forth with their buddys.

Hey! To make "buddys" you still need to have a talent !

Korotky Gennady
03-01-2008, 22:55
Hey! To make "buddys" you still need to have a talent !

Don't touch dick !

Judge
03-01-2008, 22:58
Don't touch dick !

Unless it's a spotted dick..:agree::agree:

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Clean32
03-01-2008, 23:02
Unless it's a spotted dick..:agree::agree:


Diseased ???

Judge
03-01-2008, 23:05
Diseased ???

That would get the chop chop....ouch.

Miracle77777
04-01-2008, 01:18
Don't touch dick !

:suspect:

Miracle77777
04-01-2008, 01:19
That would get the chop chop....ouch.

:eek:

Miracle77777
04-01-2008, 01:19
:farout:
Faint

dick
04-01-2008, 02:13
Dick, you lost a good opportunity to shut up, as there is NO Russian language test when anybody applies to the Russian citizenship.

I won't even reply to the other points of your post, I will just send you a few reds for this :)


Hey Guest good Redskull impression, now do Sal!!!


Yes you are right that there is no test when you apply for Russian citizenship.
( here I'll do my Clean32 impression) BUT if you read my post.......

No really Guest if you want to do more than just apply you will need to take a test in the Russian language to become a Russian citizen.

dick
04-01-2008, 02:18
Don't touch dick !

Do you mean,

Don't touch your dick!

The whole you'll go blind, grow hair on your palms thing?

dick
04-01-2008, 02:36
Unless it's a spotted dick..:agree::agree:

Spotted dick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotted_Dick)


Judge your the only person here with a sense of humor!

I am you and what I see is me, and that causes me to laugh my head off.

We are all just a reflection.

Judge
04-01-2008, 03:34
Judge your the only person here with a sense of humor!

I am you and what I see is me, and that causes me to laugh my head off.

We are all just a reflection.:agree::agree::agree:

dick
04-01-2008, 03:48
I locked the threat as it had gotten way out of hand. You focus on Clean32, but if you read back the whole thread, you might pick up on the fact that it wasn't just him raising some eyebrows. He shouldn't have insulted you, but I think that was established already a long time ago. Clean32 got infracted for that post.



This is what I indeed would call lack of moderation (not denying anything here), but there have been complaints by PM and they were acted upon. Again, we're hardly talking about saints here.



You're free to complain about me, of course, go ahead. But you're not free to spread lies, as you did in that particular PM.



Which last post?



No, I advice you not to be or become one. See my previous post.



Makes one wonder why, doesn't it?



Like I said, Clean32 was warned. And I'm not going to comment on actions taken by colleague-mods.



You're suggesting things that are not true.



Read this back and ask yourself if this is a friendly way of behaving and very effective of gathering understanding.



Idem: "brown nosers", now how would that be perceived by anyone who reads it?

And I'm not aware of anything that you may have done for me.



:duhhhh:


I don't care how people perceive me here remember I'm a dick. I know just what I did here. People weren't supposed to like me and if you did I would say you are sick.

I see there is no getting though to you ezik, you just want to defend yourself and make excuses. First Clean32 has your respect then he is no saint.

Yes there were more than just him, he just seems like the most aggressive and most malice. It always seem to me he did this just to start fights because he's bored and could raise his post count. He also has like 2000 post so he affects the atmosphere here more than anyone. I have 400 post join in July to his 2000 join in June. Just his writing style is defensive, aggressive, and not very humorous. Even when he tries to be funny he's insulting.

So whatever warning you gave him did not work as he has kept up his behavior. You just gave up trying to stop him or what?
To me it seems like you came after me more and liked to do this in post not by PM.

You don't remember how friendly it was here when he was gone for a few weeks.



There is just too much to say.


What it comes down to is that this site comes out looking bad.

And that should be your first worry.

And if Clean32 was your friend and like this site he would not try to scare people away in the intro thread.

You will not change my opinion of him being a sad, lonely person who is always trying to show how cool he is and comes across and as a hateful intolerant person.

It's been real it's been nice but it hasn't been real nice.

I know don't go away angry, just go away.