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PHILL
13-02-2004, 02:09
I WOULD LIKE START A DEBATE ON THE QUESTION:


DOES ANYBODY THINK ITS TIME WE HAD OUR OWN ENGLISH SPEAKING RADIO STATION THAT WOULD BROADCAST 24 HOURS A DAY? IM GOING TO SET UP AN INVESTMENT FUND FOR THIS.
NEWS, MUSIC THAT YOU CAN REALLY LISTEN TOO WITHOUT TATU AND KIRKOROV SINGING THE NIGHT AWAY, BUSINESS NEWS E.T.C...
MY FRIENDS MOM WORKS AT THE RUSSIAN RADIO BROADCASTING MINISTRY AND REALLY GOING TO LOOK INTO THIS.
IM SURE RUSSIAN LISTENERS WOULD ALSO TUNE IN!!!

ANYBODY WANT TO HELP WITH THIS?

natalia_apple
13-02-2004, 02:16
great idea!
How can people help other than with money?
and why are you angry?

PHILL
13-02-2004, 02:49
ITS JUST I WAS DRIVING HOME THIS EVENING AND I JUST KEPT TURNING THAT DIAL.

STATION1 -----KIRKOROV
STATION2------TATU
STATION3-----COMMERCIAL FOR A 200 DOLLAR A HEAD RESTAURANT.
STATION4----NSYNC
STATION5-----RUSSIAN RAPPER-DETSL
STATION6-----CENSORED NEWS
STATION7------COLGATE WILL REALY KEEP YOUR TEETH FRESH AND WHITE
STATION8---DIROL WILL ALSO KEEP YOUR TEETH FRESH AND WHITE
STATION9----AND IF YOU DONT HAVE ANY TEETH ANYMORE "MASTERDENT" WILL GIVE YOU NEW ONES
STATION10----"MASTERDENT: STILL WANTS YOU
STATION11----MICHAEL JACKSON SINGING "YOU ARE NOT ALONE"---AFTER THAT I KEPT LOOKING IN THE REARVIEW MIRROR TILL I GOT HOME--THINKING MAYBE "IM NOT ALONE"
STATION12---WELL I DIDNT GET TO THAT ONE BUT I THINK ITS TIME FOR OUR OWN STATION.

Teutonic Deity
13-02-2004, 03:17
Its been done before... both radio maximum and radio 7 have tried english language/content shows in the past. Neither lasted very long, but the old evening drive show on radio 7 was a blast :-) I still have the t-shirt with Strelnikov on it.

Tired of Russian music? Try Ultra 100.5 FM http://www.radioultra.ru

(note: the use of all CAPS denotes shouting, or perhaps anger depending on the situation)

PHILL
13-02-2004, 04:15
Sure they didnt last long! that was not the time.
How many expats were living in Moscow in those years and how many Russians spoke english. Now you have 100 times as much expats, 1000 times more International company Rep. offices and 50% of Russians now speak or understand English.

trebor
13-02-2004, 04:30
Commercial radio needs advertisers to stay afloat.
Those advertisments your talking about are probably the very companies who will pay to advertise with you.
Another point, you need to have a LOT of listners to be viable.
I don't want to be negative but points to consider.

DaveUKagain
13-02-2004, 04:31
50% ?? I must have met the other 50%, Phill, but - good idea there. I mean, you can get Russian radio in London.... and there are a lot fewer Russian speakers in London than there are English speakers in Moscow........ ;)

Moscow Wolf
13-02-2004, 04:59
Radio Jazz 98.10 Next to no adverts, no news no stupid DJs talking Bollox just music 24/7. It's more SOUL than Jazz, I don't need anything more than an invite to play some of my rare soulfull tunes.

ReturnOfBroadmoor
13-02-2004, 09:12
It might work as a world music or foreign language station in general - but the potential really is not that great.

lyndsay
13-02-2004, 09:29
Would internet radio be viable... I'm trying to establish a record/publishing label here, but wth distribution abroad and would be delighted to have a local radio station involvement too.

However, wouldn't 'radio' have extremely beaurocratic limitations?

Colombian
13-02-2004, 09:46
All the things she said
All the things she said
Running through my head
Running through my head
Running through my head
All the things she said
All the things she said
Running through my head
Running through my head
-----
Hahahahaha!!!!

polly
13-02-2004, 10:25
i don't see how a 24-hour program could survive. maybe a morning show, but not a 24-hour station.

Limitchik
13-02-2004, 10:40
Originally posted by PHILL
Sure they didnt last long! that was not the time.
How many expats were living in Moscow in those years and how many Russians spoke english. Now you have 100 times as much expats, 1000 times more International company Rep. offices and 50% of Russians now speak or understand English.

Phil, are you jokin ? You think there are MORE expats than pre-crisis ? At one point, I heard pre-1998 figures of somewhere like 50,000 Americans. There's nowhere near that now, but let's double that number to account for the UK, Australia, NZ, and Canada (which I think is still an absurdly high number of English speakers) and you're target audience is only 100,000 people. I can't imagine Russians wanting to listen actively either. Do you listen to foreign Radio channels in your home town ? I don't.

They aren't figures you're gonna sell air time for, I would imagine.

dai
13-02-2004, 10:48
I can supply the hardware and software

Making radio stations is my business and have a complete computer solution and even a spare mixing desk.

If U can come up with a sensible source of finance we can talk about it + I have an archive of 1000 CDs of the best music today on mp3 and a French radio that would be prepared to supply me for free.

U can even feed it from home, if U can get a frequency and run a dedicated Mpeg IP channel over DSL.

Let me know

Gareth

legspreader
13-02-2004, 10:54
well if you like rock you already have it 100.5 great music min. commercials

jheisel
13-02-2004, 12:02
Monte Carlo plays syndicated English language programs -- I've heard Casey Kasem's Top 40 and some jazz show.

If you are actually serious, I'd be interested in a DJing shift - I used to do this in the States...

enrico palazzo
13-02-2004, 13:15
does the UK have satellite radio? will it reach?

MORPHEUS
13-02-2004, 15:27
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Teutonic Deity

Its been done before... both radio maximum and radio 7 have tried english language/content shows in the past. Neither lasted very long, but the old evening drive show on radio 7 was a blast :-) I still have the t-shirt with Strelnikov on it.

I wonder what happened to ol' Terrence, the other half of the Strelnikov morning show. We all know Vasili is on (or was) CTC, but Terrence disappeared.

100.5 is a great station. Especially the rock recap байки narrated by Raisa Ivanovna. Very funny stuff.[B]

Limitchik
13-02-2004, 15:30
I have it on good authority that Terrence was a Bardak poster under the Pilugin days, so perhaps he is still lurking around here somewhere

DJ Biscuit
13-02-2004, 18:04
Originally posted by PHILL
Sure they didnt last long! that was not the time.
How many expats were living in Moscow in those years and how many Russians spoke english. Now you have 100 times as much expats, 1000 times more International company Rep. offices and 50% of Russians now speak or understand English.

I have been here since those days, early to middle 90's. There were more expats then and less competition regarding radio stations and yes radio 7's English language policy did not last long. At the end of the day we are in Russia and the language of choice is still Russian!

This idea may have limited appeal, but only limited. Who amongst us actually listen to the radio? And now with internet if I want English language radio I can tune into one from England. Of course they don't discuss what's going on in Moscow very much! :D

Teutonic Deity
14-02-2004, 13:46
Originally posted by DJ Biscuit
And now with internet if I want English language radio I can tune into one from England.

As soon as the wireless networks develop a little more, you will be able to listen to internet radio in your car, with your phone, walkman, etc. anywhere in the city - I imagine this will stir things up a bit in the radio world.

dai
15-02-2004, 23:53
Don't dream about wireless and IP based audio any time soon, least of all in Moscow......

None of the things you talk about are even on the cards.....AND there is NO mobile delivery system for such services.......heck they can't even get a successful roll out for DAB yet in Europe never mind hi speed mobile data in Russia!!!!!

Think again pal....the only bearer services worthy of the name just now are FM radio and DVB-S

Gareth



Originally posted by Teutonic Deity
As soon as the wireless networks develop a little more, you will be able to listen to internet radio in your car, with your phone, walkman, etc. anywhere in the city - I imagine this will stir things up a bit in the radio world.

SM Interiors
16-02-2004, 16:05
Amen!! Preach, it brother!!! Sorry, I got a little too emotioanal about it, i guess... Anyway, I'd love to help. Send me a note when you get a chance. E-mail: kittyhawk504@icqmail.com

Web page: www.smi.rbcmail.ru





Originally posted by PHILL
ITS JUST I WAS DRIVING HOME THIS EVENING AND I JUST KEPT TURNING THAT DIAL.

STATION1 -----KIRKOROV
STATION2------TATU
STATION3-----COMMERCIAL FOR A 200 DOLLAR A HEAD RESTAURANT.
STATION4----NSYNC
STATION5-----RUSSIAN RAPPER-DETSL
STATION6-----CENSORED NEWS
STATION7------COLGATE WILL REALY KEEP YOUR TEETH FRESH AND WHITE
STATION8---DIROL WILL ALSO KEEP YOUR TEETH FRESH AND WHITE
STATION9----AND IF YOU DONT HAVE ANY TEETH ANYMORE "MASTERDENT" WILL GIVE YOU NEW ONES
STATION10----"MASTERDENT: STILL WANTS YOU
STATION11----MICHAEL JACKSON SINGING "YOU ARE NOT ALONE"---AFTER THAT I KEPT LOOKING IN THE REARVIEW MIRROR TILL I GOT HOME--THINKING MAYBE "IM NOT ALONE"
STATION12---WELL I DIDNT GET TO THAT ONE BUT I THINK ITS TIME FOR OUR OWN STATION. Web Page (http://www.smi.rbcmail.ru) web page (www.smi.rbcmail.ru)

jules
16-02-2004, 17:05
One thing that I can't stand is how some stations (Monte Carlo in particular) cut off the endings of songs - I've stopped listening to that station because I find it so incredibly annoying.

If there was a classic rock/top 40 station with English, at least in the mornings and at evening rush hour, I'd lock my dial there.... ;)

DJ Biscuit
17-02-2004, 12:13
I can easily listen to all the BBC radio stations, many other London and country wide stations and thank god Ministry of Sound, all broadcast from England and all easliy listened to via the internet, and all crystal clear.

ReturnOfBroadmoor
17-02-2004, 12:17
A foreign language, multicultural radio station exists in most markets, but often, it is non-profit. The advantage your idea has is that the music you would play appeals to the general population as well as to expats. It might be worth a go.

moscowmail
17-02-2004, 12:25
If anyone can get the frequency... cheap, then lets talk, I am sure we can get presenters or DJ's free of charge from here, what equipment is needed? need a transmiter license etc etc...

If anyone has looked into this, drop ma a PM, the funding shouldn't be a problem, but we need more than just an idea, need as much info as possible......

DJ Biscuit
17-02-2004, 13:40
I heard there's some guy round here with performance, acting and DJ experience, now what was his stoopid name?

moscowmail
17-02-2004, 13:47
Ermmm Lionel :)???? ;)

DJ Biscuit
17-02-2004, 13:54
By Jove! I think that's the chap, odd fellow, but talent oozing from every pore.

moscowmail
17-02-2004, 14:07
Hmmmm, yep... ermm OK

DJ Biscuit
17-02-2004, 14:11
Hmm, yep?

Done more film, stage, television and radio appearances than you've attempted cover versions. ;) :D

How's the new family coming along?

moscowmail
17-02-2004, 14:18
Family is great, Luke is at Home with the misses now, sleeps well :)

SM Interiors
17-02-2004, 14:26
Let alone the fact that they all believe they are actually broadcasting from Monte Carlo... Prozac!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://web.icq.com/groups/group_details?gid=12021434






Originally posted by jules
One thing that I can't stand is how some stations (Monte Carlo in particular) cut off the endings of songs - I've stopped listening to that station because I find it so incredibly annoying.

If there was a classic rock/top 40 station with English, at least in the mornings and at evening rush hour, I'd lock my dial there.... ;) Interest GROUP link (http://web.icq.com/groups/group_details?gid=12021434)

braganza
18-02-2004, 09:03
Gidday! I am only just turned up in Moscow but if you are looking at a fairly relaxed community radio style arrangment and you want people to talk and turn music then I would have a crack at that. Provided you guys dont mind an Australian accent......

Braganza

bushmaster
03-03-2004, 20:53
Hey,
I am all for it...the english speaking public of moscow maybe small but many are the larger spenders in the total market segment....
But lets get a count of the english population here first.
Humbolt county USA (North California) has the most stations per population because of all the diffrent types of people from hippies growing pot to the loggers and the college, it pisses of advertisers clients to have to pay for so many stations to advertise on.....so really what are we looking at for numbers in moscow?
What are the laws since your friends mom works the industry???
I wonder if they would even allow a forigner near radio equipment....because my friends mom does the weekly doctors report and she said even as a journalist the FSB would not like me inside the station let alone the studio.
Plus Russia is a big place, I plan to do a split format on the net and satallite radio, get the russian government out of it and sell the conversion kit for the sat to fm or casette adaptor at cost on the website.
I was a college DJ and DJ at a strip club to work my way thru college, but now - one guys right, it's all on the computer - no cart tapes to que up.
I already have a funding grant proposal into the same government agency that funds the Voice of America, but to thier promote better understanding of the US branch.
So well see - but if legal to and without too much government overwatch Id like to see about regular FM frequencies, please advise me of what you know.

ExpatRadio.ru Coming Soon maybe been thinking about it 2 years - since I first came here thinking there was a very popular dj named eric llama - so I want dibs on this dj name, since i got teased so much for being so dumb about the russian work for advertisement!

-BM

jheisel
04-03-2004, 12:08
If you're an Internet radio station, what differentiates you from the 10 million other Internet radio stations I could be listening to? Or the hundred million MP3s at my finger tips (thus avoiding annoying DJs and commercials)? I mean, why "expatradio"? Because people will be griping about the prices at Stockman's?

dai
04-03-2004, 12:35
Having run one of the oldest and most successful Internet radios in the world, I can tell you an Expat Internet radio has absolutely NO future in Moscow, and on top of that most Russ ISPs charge per Mo rates, so no-one would listen.

The only way to run a radio is getting a frequency allocation, then doing a lot of publicity say in the Moscow times, to get audience figures up, then doing a lot of very unpaid and difficult work to get said public to say what they want and do it.
(Most reaction apathy or hostility).
It could work, because there's a strong demand for at least and info/news radio with perhaps an external news feed and events spot.

If someone can get a frequency then we can talk,- otherwise this thread is as the french say "p..ing in a violin"!

GT

bushmaster
06-03-2004, 19:04
Oh, yeah....event spots would need to be a cornerstone. The frequency on fm is needed, because your correct the bandwidth would cost a fortune, the kind western stations can bill for and satallite is not going to find the base of truckers at 10/month that xm radio has in the states. It's almost got to be bi lingual with a english speaker and a russian of the opposite sex both translating and making fun of the english speaker as a comedy team. The main diffrence I would do is a pay per request system that allows users to pick the time of play and add a wave file for review with a dedication on it...or just add a ad on 30 sec spot....but these would have to be reviewed and feed to the server with the laser drops.

Billie Bob
08-03-2004, 13:55
ENGLISH LANGUAGE RADIO STATION...

yes, it's been done before, and the reasons for it was exactly, becuase there were alot of expats in town, who had FM Radios and cars with FM radios, it was a different situation at hand. Mind you back in 92, there were only two FM radio stations, not like today where there are 30.

Though they were not 100% all english, they would do morning shows till noontime.

Another reason for english language broadcasts then, becuase the few stations that broadcasted were american run and managed, invested.

Radio Nostalgie was a French management company.

It all basically stopped in 1996. There were some attempts to revive the broadcasts in english, from country music run by dwight on radio rocks I believe back in 98.

Then in 2002, Terrence Fabian started to run an on the hour english news broadcast on Monte Carlo. That lasted a few months.

As for Terrence, he finally packe dup his bags and moved to England. That was the news I have from last year.

Larry Synclair, also part of the old Radio 7 team, in 1999, was trying to start - organize a 24 hour news station on AM, which would be run in both russian and english. Larry packed up due to several reasons, is back in California.

BBC, VOR, and open Radio, on AM, have several english language programs, don't know the time slots. The French and the Germans too. There are quite a few actually.

In Defense of Russian Radio Stations, I'd say, it's not all really that bad.

I can be in NYC, Miami, and all I would here is:

RAP a tune with a beat
POP RAP unheard of singers
HIP HOP RAP don't even know the name of the bands
MCDONALDS COMMERCIAL "IM LOVIN IT"
POP BRITNEY SPEARS "I DID IT AGAIN"
VIAGRA COMMERCIAL
HOMOSEXUAL NEWS; BREAKING NEWS
LATIN POP: JUAN JORGE "COMO ME AMORO"
SOFTIES: CARPENTERS "WE'VE ONLY JUST BEGUN"
HIP HOP
POP
ROCK
LATIN
POP

I mean come on, it's not all that bad, what russian radio stations broadcast. I find most of the russian female groups, quite attractive, sexy and unique with their styles.

Blestaschiye, Strelki, Viagra, Slivki, all these are quite kewl. The videos are even hotter...

Now, as far as a ENGLISH LANGUAGE PROGRAM on the Radio Station, yes, there is room for it, and it should not be just geared to the expats, but to all, who want to listen to it.

It can and should exist in such a metropolis. And yes 24 hrs, interchanging, russian, english, a combo of both.

I don't hear TATU or KIRKOROV often enough on the radio, I have my dials set at: Evropa Plus, Hit Fm, Monte Carlo, Ultra, Energiya, and Russian Radio, most of the times.

If you are interested a little bit more on the FM Foreign language broadcasting, I have some contacts and advice on this matter.

cheers,

dai
25-05-2004, 20:58
hey people I've just acquired a FM transmitter cheap, could do with a stereo coder and maybe a VHF decent amplifier ...this one runs only 20W so could do with a nice boost to 400W + antenna dead easy on 50 feet of coax.

I have a complete PC radio in the box with software that runs on XP also here, as well as a kool size Linux server to house 1.5TB of music and can interface to a sat news feed eg DVB.

If anyone can get a frequency and an emplacement on the tower eg. VDKH you've got yerself a radio station

Come on enterprising British + yanks et al get thinking, there's space for a music only channel on the air waves with all that pub crud removed + some live stuff too if you want!!

get thinking I don't want to have to cart this lot off to St Petersburg!


G T

moscowmail
26-05-2004, 09:10
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Hmmm, well I spoke to a friend of mine who knows de biz, and it is possible to get the frequency and not that expensive, the biggest cost is the production equipment, but it could be started off pretty low and build up.

I beleive that the young Russian community woul dtune in, excellent for their English knowledge and it could be quite hip....

So, where do we go from here, I think we need really at this stage to see who is interested in participating, what they can do/bring etc, then sit and have a chat....

I knwo a number of people who would advertise so a revenue could be made from the initial start up....


Len

dai
26-05-2004, 13:01
I have all the equipment here to get it on the rails

Production stuff + IT

Most radios these days use a good radio automation server system + DSl /LS to pipe the stuff in and out from remote premises over IP

Hence not huge needs for permanent staff/premises

GT

dai
26-05-2004, 13:33
Originally posted by moscowmail
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Hmmm, well I spoke to a friend of mine who knows de biz, and it is possible to get the frequency and not that expensive, the biggest cost is the production equipment, but it could be started off pretty low and build up.


Len

If you want to know, I have a mixing desk (which needs a rebuild) but it's perfectly useable

2 High power Xeon DAW Workstations c/w pro sound cards and R.A.S and AES-EBU can run complete software solution inc compressors.
Also have the Linux based dual CPU server so can stuff as much disk into the Raid/extension tower as you want/afford (up to 25 Hard disks) means up to 2 Terabytes of mp3 files, and runs a Db/web server into the bargain

Transmitter needs stereo coder (otherwise mono) and antenna

sounds good enough no?

GT

littlejohn
26-05-2004, 14:25
There are English radio station channels on Kosmos TV, although I don't know how it all works it would not seem that difficult if it is already broadcast on Kosmos to also broadcast the stations through to radio frequencies. Has anyone thought of approaching Kosmos TV as they supply TV and radio to many expats?

J.D.
26-05-2004, 14:54
It might be more fun as a group project. Maybe more successful too. The grass-roots sort of thing can be quite popular.

dai
26-05-2004, 15:07
Look
This idea really has future.

I love getting involved in a combination of collective synergies high quality audio and music.

If the mix can be kept to an Internet advertising presence, minimal advertising on the radio itself and lots of live music, I have sufficient contacts in the music and IT business to make a great success of such a venture.

Regardless of whether a huge demand exists for such a radio in Moscow, demand is usually product led, and a product that is right will create its own market, - never forget it.

Here just now I am working with the oldest free radio in France.

It started by opposing nuclear power as a pirate radio.

Today it has its own transmitter, Internet, radio IT system and a future with superb musical program 24 hours a day.

It has NO advertising at all.

alterego
26-05-2004, 15:14
So how does it pay the rent?

dai
26-05-2004, 15:20
Simple RDL
Charges other people to use it's transmitting site, because it has its own today.

This is just an example of course, and in France there's a levy on commercial radio to finance private free stations...so that is a unique situation.
I would suggest in Russia get a major European Drinks name behind the station....eg Heineken or some other group that wants to make market penetration and you've got it!

hic!

Cheers

GT

braganza
26-05-2004, 21:13
I think there have been quite a few posts on this subject over a period of time and for some reason the sentiment about the actual pracicalities of it all has always been a little on the negative side of things. But I reckon the idea is a definite goer.

Viagra Girl
27-05-2004, 00:39
It sounds like a good idea, but our Russian "Red tape"... All money you concider to waste just * 10. At least.

dai
27-05-2004, 01:28
Originally posted by girlWithACat
It sounds like a good idea, but our Russian "Red tape"... All money you concider to waste just * 10. At least.


Sure sure, but insiders always get around red tape....

look at wireless Lan/Internet access for a technology which no-one cares about any more, and which was going to be a cash cow for the Russian gov.
Not much good was it in practice!

There's plenty of scope for FM radio in Russia, just what is missing in Moscow is frequency allocation now, but that was to be foreseen 10 years ago!

I think this is a false problem.

GT

Insane Squeezer
27-05-2004, 06:34
Originally posted by PHILL
ITS JUST I WAS DRIVING HOME THIS EVENING AND I JUST KEPT TURNING THAT DIAL.


Did you try the BBC Russian Service, 1260 AM (I work for it, so yes, this is a kind of self-promotion)?

:cool:

Insane Squeezer
27-05-2004, 06:36
I fully support the idea and I would even be eager to participate.

Moscow Wolf
27-05-2004, 07:04
Tell you what, give me Radio Jazz with just a little commentary of the tracks played and you've got a station, I don't know how they survive, next to no adverts no news, but 90% cool music 24/7.

98.10 listen in.

dai
14-07-2004, 12:45
I've tried sending some PM to various people on this forum

Let's meet up and see if we can get something going this week

Can be a sure fire starter

Regards

GT

JeffK
15-07-2004, 09:49
From the radio (technical side) I can help too. Extra Class amateur license in the US and waiting for my Russian License. Can't use those for this project, but perhaps the radio knowledge would be helpful?

agent_alice
15-07-2004, 09:55
if you hope that russian speaking people will listen to it as well- they probably will, but in what language would your commercials be in? Many people listen to music and not understand the words, but it will be unprofitable for you and the advertiser (if the commercials are in english) because the russian speaking audience, will simply not understand

xt-tsi
16-07-2004, 00:00
I say go for it but you will lose money. Listener base is too small for English 24/7 - and few if any advertisers will pay to reach the small exoat audience. I wouldn't.

Yer better off teaming up with a Russian station and going on air in English for an hour a day. See if that works first...

dai
16-07-2004, 14:52
I have looked at it, and have decided what the best way will be

I will look at buying 2 extra channels on DVB, this will be administered from the EU.

I only want to use a Moscow/St Petersburg terrestrial as local relay. Either wayU will then be able to RX it on a normal boring Digital satellite receiver FOC.

As such I am not too bothered about the Qs of user base

You seem to forget, the huge latent demand in Russia for English language for Russian people.

Also a substantial part of this project will be live broadcast of concerts and IP bearer service, so a large part of the ads package goes direct onto the web where it doesn't interfere with the demands of a FM radio, and what needs doing on hour to hour basis

GT