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snowbars
15-12-2007, 20:20
To all Expats

I can assist Expats in all ME visa invitation

Registration in Moscow

Work permits for employees and all related matters

Please PM

Clean32
15-12-2007, 20:44
And how can you help, can you outline your services??

Guest
15-12-2007, 21:55
> I can assist Expats in all ME visa invitation

ME invitations can be done only by agencies that have a MID accreditation.


> Registration in Moscow

ALL agencies that have an accreditation to deliver any visa, offer the registration in Moscow, sometimes for free.


> Work permits for employees and all related matters

And probably also spravka, degree, driving license, passport-in-a-month, etc.

Interesting...

SalTheReturn
15-12-2007, 21:56
And how can you help, can you outline your services??

clean i am sure it will not take much for having couple of agencies and agents to sort out all the ME related matters

this kind of posts will become more normal and normal

i think he should not outline his services because probably he is not doing stuff so legally and you surely know all the rants this may cause on this website

Clean32
15-12-2007, 22:01
clean i am sure it will not take much for having couple of agencies and agents to sort out all the ME related matters

this kind of posts will become more normal and normal

i think he should not outline his services because probably he is not doing stuff so legally and you surely know all the rants this may cause on this website

well Sal i am intrested if he is just going to supply the forms, and then file them or is he going to escort peaple around moscow for medicals etc etc. i think theres a big difrence there. some one who is preperd to go the hole 9 yards i think would have a good bussness going, but some one who just wants to play agent? well there many of them already.
Even you coments Sal, you have to be carfule, you have only been here once, you have never had to do all the docs and runningaround like so many otheres have.

Guest
15-12-2007, 23:57
clean i am sure it will not take much for having couple of agencies and agents to sort out all the ME related matters

this kind of posts will become more normal and normal

i think he should not outline his services because probably he is not doing stuff so legally and you surely know all the rants this may cause on this website

Do you think that a "not so legal" service to get a ME visa should be advertised on a forum whose goal is to help expats to come and live here?

Strange! If I want to go to Europe, I will never use a "not so legal" service to get a visa!

Scottish01
16-12-2007, 08:02
Look the chick is offering a service and she asked people to PM if they are interested.

She didn't say:

" Let's have a debate about what I am doing "
" Is what I am doing legal?"

So, if you're interested, PM the chick, ask her questions and then make up your mind if she is 100% or iffy!

So get of the chick's back ok! It seem to me most members just post for the fu#king sake of it. So they will have the most credits and win some shitty camera or something!

believe me, there is more to life than the place ! :agree:

Guest
16-12-2007, 08:53
Yes she asks for PRIVATE requests but there are some naive people, who need a PUBLIC warning :)




Look the chick is offering a service and she asked people to PM if they are interested.

She didn't say:

" Let's have a debate about what I am doing "
" Is what I am doing legal?"

So, if you're interested, PM the chick, ask her questions and then make up your mind if she is 100% or iffy!

So get of the chick's back ok! It seem to me most members just post for the fu#king sake of it. So they will have the most credits and win some shitty camera or something!

believe me, there is more to life than the place ! :agree:

SalTheReturn
16-12-2007, 10:37
Do you think that a "not so legal" service to get a ME visa should be advertised on a forum whose goal is to help expats to come and live here?

Strange! If I want to go to Europe, I will never use a "not so legal" service to get a visa!

LOL you would not use it because in western europe you would be caught and prosecuted whilst in Russia no

how pathetic is that Guest:-(((

disappointed

SalTheReturn
16-12-2007, 10:40
Look the chick is offering a service and she asked people to PM if they are interested.

She didn't say:

" Let's have a debate about what I am doing "
" Is what I am doing legal?"

So, if you're interested, PM the chick, ask her questions and then make up your mind if she is 100% or iffy!

So get of the chick's back ok! It seem to me most members just post for the fu#king sake of it. So they will have the most credits and win some shitty camera or something!

believe me, there is more to life than the place ! :agree:

despite the camera and other prizes are gone, it is clear that whilst people like me are 100% neutral till (I think it was the social contract of Rosseau) someone with his/her freedom does not limit my own freedom, lots of other so-called liberals have nothing better to do then denigrating other people's businesses

snowbars
16-12-2007, 14:29
Hi to All who has posted above. (and give me a chance to answer certain questions)

1. I have not put my address/Tel number / email as the site will not allow me to do this.

2. All services I offer are perfectly Legal accordingly to Russian law.

3.I run a business advising people who have issues with ME visas/work permits/ REP Company Registration/ Registration of visa in Moscow etc.

4.Nobody who needs my services is forced to call me or part with money = by force or false promises.

5. Finally all I promise I deliver =otherwise no result =no fee

Clean32
16-12-2007, 16:10
Hi to All who has posted above. (and give me a chance to answer certain questions)

1. I have not put my address/Tel number / email as the site will not allow me to do this.

2. All services I offer are perfectly Legal accordingly to Russian law.

3.I run a business advising people who have issues with ME visas/work permits/ REP Company Registration/ Registration of visa in Moscow etc.

4.Nobody who needs my services is forced to call me or part with money = by force or false promises.

5. Finally all I promise I deliver =otherwise no result =no fee

Thanks for you responce.

You can put your busness and contact details in your profile, including your email address

Bels
16-12-2007, 16:24
Thanks for the tip clean. I go for recommendations and went for liga consultants due to many members here supporting this agency here. Go with who you know of as they say.

However perhaps as this agency gets known by other expats here, and the comments are positive, then she may well do well from here also.

Guest
16-12-2007, 17:26
LOL you would not use it because in western europe you would be caught and prosecuted whilst in Russia no

how pathetic is that Guest:-(((

disappointed


As usual you say BS! Some "companies" in Moscow are specialists to supply ready-made packages so that the client is sure at 200% to get a Schengen visa, and there is NO risk at all to be caught and prosecuted in Europe, as nobody won't see anything!

Sal, you came how many times in Russia? One, or two? You know nothing about Russia, so you should refrain to open your big mouth, as every time you do you show you are not very clever. Did you see the film "idiocracy"? I thought about you when I looked at it yesterday night :)

Guest
16-12-2007, 17:32
Hi to All who has posted above. (and give me a chance to answer certain questions)

1. I have not put my address/Tel number / email as the site will not allow me to do this.

2. All services I offer are perfectly Legal accordingly to Russian law.

3.I run a business advising people who have issues with ME visas/work permits/ REP Company Registration/ Registration of visa in Moscow etc.

4.Nobody who needs my services is forced to call me or part with money = by force or false promises.

5. Finally all I promise I deliver =otherwise no result =no fee



Thanks for your clarification, my warning was just because as you probably know, a lot of people offer such "services" supply in fact completely false documents. A company recently got closed, they supplied "real RF citizenship in one month" for 5000 evro, "real work permits in one week" at 1000 evro, etc etc.

So, if you supply ASSISTANCE AND NOT DOCUMENTS, it should be great, many expats are lost in the Russian administrative jungle :)

And a greeny 4u!

snowbars
16-12-2007, 18:04
Additionally I would like to add: I am not a visa specialist myself:(I live now in UK)

I have worked for years with a Moscow Company who have assisted many people in these matters for years
AND
I am forwarding all enquiries I receive from this site to the Moscow Company directly . It is a Mr RISI (please PM for contact details - admin)

Guest
16-12-2007, 18:11
Sorry, but a hotmail (anonymous) email, plus a mobile phone number, isn't a synonym of serious... If this company is so "old", they should have a NAME and an office phone number, no?

Will have to compensate the greeny :(



Additionally I would like to add: I am not a visa specialist myself:(I live now in UK)

I have worked for years with a Moscow Company who have assisted many people in these matters for years
AND
I am forwarding all enquiries I receive from this site to the Moscow Company directly . It is a Mr RISI whose contact details are: drrkm@hotmail.com +7 925 772 0310

SalTheReturn
16-12-2007, 18:27
As usual you say BS! Some "companies" in Moscow are specialists to supply ready-made packages so that the client is sure at 200% to get a Schengen visa, and there is NO risk at all to be caught and prosecuted in Europe, as nobody won't see anything!

Sal, you came how many times in Russia? One, or two? You know nothing about Russia, so you should refrain to open your big mouth, as every time you do you show you are not very clever. Did you see the film "idiocracy"? I thought about you when I looked at it yesterday night :)

I know about such agencies but you know that the risk of being caught here is higher

and anyway i was talking about doing thing illegally

SalTheReturn
16-12-2007, 18:28
Sorry, but a hotmail (anonymous) email, plus a mobile phone number, isn't a synonym of serious... If this company is so "old", they should have a NAME and an office phone number, no?

Will have to compensate the greeny :(

none of your business once again, do not worry mate foreigners in russia will not come to commit crimes

Bels
16-12-2007, 18:30
Additionally I would like to add: I am not a visa specialist myself:(I live now in UK)

I have worked for years with a Moscow Company who have assisted many people in these matters for years
AND
I am forwarding all enquiries I receive from this site to the Moscow Company directly . It is a Mr RISI (please PM for contact details - admin)

Ok I've mentioned Liga consultants on here and it's been stated a thousand times on this forum by others. What's your companies name?

Bels
16-12-2007, 19:21
Judge is right. He's trying to protect our members. A website address might help.
We go with who we know and trust. I'm wary of responding to one posters leaving such little info.

Liga consultants is heavily recommended here at the moment and over the past few years. And because of these recommendations, that was the agent I used. I don't know If I will ever need them again though :)

Guest
16-12-2007, 19:25
I know about such agencies but you know that the risk of being caught here is higher

No, as such "companies" supply all documents that ARE "true". For example in a Schengen country, was opened a legally declared travel agency with a license, just to issue travel vouchers to get visa. These vouchers CAN be checked by the authorities, so there is really no risk to be caught. And this is only one example among others.


and anyway i was talking about doing thing illegally

Yes, and the above example is an illegal one. So we agree,! Strange, hey?

Guest
16-12-2007, 19:33
none of your business once again, do not worry mate foreigners in russia will not come to commit crimes


For sure! But tell me how a "foreigner in Russia", according to what you say, could help for ME visa, work permit etc? Or is it once more one of your BS? :)

By the way, even if I am not directly concerned by this, I wonder if YOU are, as you know about Russia only what your Berlusconi channels can show:D

Bels
16-12-2007, 19:48
Just an idea to help members.

I've thought about collecting all the good contacts we have seen on this forum. That is web addresses and sometimes telephone numbers of all the contacts we need to get invitations, get our police checks and have them apostiled, all the Russian embassies with their web addresses, the address of ovir, and of course our own embassies in cluding American, australian, British etc. Because it's all here, but we need to bring it all together.

SalTheReturn
16-12-2007, 20:37
For sure! But tell me how a "foreigner in Russia", according to what you say, could help for ME visa, work permit etc? Or is it once more one of your BS? :)

By the way, even if I am not directly concerned by this, I wonder if YOU are, as you know about Russia only what your Berlusconi channels can show:D

Guest really slow down, you sound so pissed at just the minime idea of a foreigner who can entry your country with no major stress...

is not the same for your russian as you said? pay the biased agencies and get in BigBroEU

whats wrong with that mate?

now also re-read what this guy said: he is not doing things directly but helping other russian people to do that after he was himself in the business
your defamatory posts should be taken to the ombusdman of this website

PS. Bels if you use the term "protect" you imply not even in a subtle way that the guy who posted is here to rip off foreigners

Bels
16-12-2007, 21:16
You don't undertand sal. It's dangerous to get professional advice from unknown entities. It is dangerous to give personal problems and your details to unknown entities. Go with who you know, who has been recommended by someone you trust. Word of mouth is powerful.

For example don't respond to unknown entities offering you a job as a teacher, and then give them your very personal C.V.

Perhaps we should get a sticky of what rules apply for the protection of adults.

Ezik is already worried about the protection of the new coming kids forum. It looks like we need this sticky of advice for the protection of adults,

Guest as usual is doing very well. This guy is intelligent.He's like you sal, we suddenly realised that he is highly valid on this forum.

Believe it or not we expats need Russians on this site, especially if they are competent in English.

mitam77
16-12-2007, 21:17
I have followed this thread =and feel GUEST is totally ignorant.On following issues:

1. Foreigners in Russia are known to help in Russia re ME visa -customs - and are well organised in this field.

2. I have dealings with many officials at Russian ministries whose business card clearly says emails: @ yandex.ru.....@mail.ru @mtu.net.ru.

I have just counted 11 such cards with FREE email address =even one with an official of ministry of Finance.

So if 'snowbars' supplies a hotmail address for addresses for services= whats the problem.( until such time a member will make a complain)

Guest...........be reasonable mate!!

SalTheReturn
16-12-2007, 21:24
You don't undertand sal. It's dangerous to get professional advice from unknown entities. It is dangerous to give personal problems and your details to unknown entities. Go with who you know, who has been recommended by someone you trust. Word of mouth is powerful.

For example don't respond to unknown entities offering you a job as a teacher, and then give them your very personal C.V.

Perhaps we should get a sticky of what rules apply for the protection of adults.

Ezik is already worried about the protection of the new coming kids forum. It looks like we need this sticky of advice for the protection of adults,

Guest as usual is doing very well. This guy is intelligent.He's like you sal, we suddenly realised that he is highly valid on this forum.

Believe it or not we expats need Russians on this site, especially if they are competent in English.

i do not doubt that guest is a valuable member, he is just not impartial wit his opinins and ready to defamate other people

Bels
16-12-2007, 21:25
I have followed this thread =and feel GUEST is totally ignorant.On following issues:

1. Foreigners in Russia are known to help in Russia re ME visa -customs - and are well organised in this field.

2. I have dealings with many officials at Russian ministries whose business card clearly says emails: @ yandex.ru.....@mail.ru @mtu.net.ru.

I have just counted 11 such cards with FREE email address =even one with an official of ministry of Finance.

So if 'snowbars' supplies a hotmail address for addresses for services= whats the problem.( until such time a member will make a complain)

Guest...........be reasonable mate!!

I'm sorry but you have not been reading his posts properly. Guest is trying to give good advice. You go ahead and trust unknown entities with such important legal issues.

Read my above post, and don't be so naive. It's dangerous! Do you get my message. And do you understand guest.

Bels
16-12-2007, 21:36
All legal entities dealing with financial and legal advice and service should be verified as a legal entity. All schools offering employment should be as being a legal entity allowed to employ foreigners, otherwise they must state that they are seeking those who have already got the right to work in Russia. Or if they are freelance they must have an entrepeneurs license.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND !

Bels
16-12-2007, 21:50
i do not doubt that guest is a valuable member, he is just not impartial wit his opinins and ready to defamate other people

That's Guest for you, he's a Russian :) Just take him the right way. Is it because I'm living in Russia and living in Russia communicating with Russians for four years that I understand better?

Guest
16-12-2007, 21:53
All legal entities dealing with financial and legal advice and service should be verified as a legal entity. All schools offering employment should be as being a legal entity allowed to employ foreigners, otherwise they must state that they are seeking those who have already got the right to work in Russia. Or if they are freelance they must have an entrepeneurs license.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND !


Bels,

Despite Sal tells about me, I am not "afraid of foreigners entering Russia", I am afraid of foreigners being scammed because they need a service in Russia. I would LOVE more foreigners here - assuming they respect our laws, traditions, people and country - and do not like when foreigners are scammed! That includes especially real-estate (that is why I help a friend to promote his - free - service in this field) and juridical services (that is why I try to give serious - and free - information!).

The point is that many people expect expats to be naive and/or stupid, and try to sell them any service at any price! In this category of crooks there are Russians and non-Russians. And I have a very good position in my business to know a lot about this.

When it concerns juridical service about visa for example things are VERY important, as any foreigner who uses non correct information and/or gets NON LEGALLY MADE documents can be in serious trouble! Despite what Sal thinks, it is not always possible to "arrange" the things in Russia, and I have some examples of foreigners being JAILED, DEPORTED and BANNED from Russia to have naively followed some "recommendations" from non-qualified people who of course asked money for this!

So maybe "snowbars" is sincere AND HAS THE COMPETENCES, BUT anyway there are REGISTERED COMPANIES, ADVOCATES, who are here for this: Helping people! Yes it costs some money, but "snowbars" too, anyway. If 'snowbars' is promoting such a company, why not give the name and office number, at least? Google, rambler and yandex allow to find quickly many details about a company, enough to have a first basic opinion about its serious.

And for 'mitam77', I know a lot of officials in many services, they ALL have a BUSINESS email address even if they also use mail/yandex/post etc.ru !!! I have a lot of adresses too, but when I have to contact somebody about my job, I use my PROFESSIONAL address, not a yandex or mail.ru one!

Guest
16-12-2007, 21:58
That's Guest for you, he's a Russian :) Just take him the right way. Is it because I'm living in Russia and living in Russia communicating with Russians for four years that I understand better?

Sure, an Italian who puts his foot one time in Russia and knows all, makes me laugh a lot. Bels I have a big respect for you, living here, trying to "integrate" and to use others!


Sal doesn't understand me as he is not interested by understanding anybody here. He is here to reply to ALL threads about ANYTHING, it is the typical attitude of people knowing nothing who want others think they know all :)


And about defamatory messages, where did I post such?? Telling "It is not serious as this is a hotmail address with a mobile number" is not defamatory, it is suspicion.

The only defamation I can do is telling that Sal is a [CENSORED] but you see, I didn't tell it :evilgrin:

Bels
16-12-2007, 22:36
No greenie this time, Guest as they won't let me. Must spread it out they say. To who? :)

SalTheReturn
16-12-2007, 22:47
All legal entities dealing with financial and legal advice and service should be verified as a legal entity. All schools offering employment should be as being a legal entity allowed to employ foreigners, otherwise they must state that they are seeking those who have already got the right to work in Russia. Or if they are freelance they must have an entrepeneurs license.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND !

Bels you know that i like you but it seems you are taking the issue a bit too serious

afterall it is russia we are talking about and such western bureacracy has luckily not hit russia yet

according to many of the stuff you say, you are the first one you could not teach

it is fair to warn (to warn) newbies, it is not fair to bother everyone with the so called "culture of suspect"

SalTheReturn
16-12-2007, 22:49
Bels,

Despite Sal tells about me, I am not "afraid of foreigners entering Russia", I am afraid of foreigners being scammed because they need a service in Russia. I would LOVE more foreigners here - assuming they respect our laws, traditions, people and country - and do not like when foreigners are scammed! That includes especially real-estate (that is why I help a friend to promote his - free - service in this field) and juridical services (that is why I try to give serious - and free - information!).

The point is that many people expect expats to be naive and/or stupid, and try to sell them any service at any price! In this category of crooks there are Russians and non-Russians. And I have a very good position in my business to know a lot about this.

When it concerns juridical service about visa for example things are VERY important, as any foreigner who uses non correct information and/or gets NON LEGALLY MADE documents can be in serious trouble! Despite what Sal thinks, it is not always possible to "arrange" the things in Russia, and I have some examples of foreigners being JAILED, DEPORTED and BANNED from Russia to have naively followed some "recommendations" from non-qualified people who of course asked money for this!

So maybe "snowbars" is sincere AND HAS THE COMPETENCES, BUT anyway there are REGISTERED COMPANIES, ADVOCATES, who are here for this: Helping people! Yes it costs some money, but "snowbars" too, anyway. If 'snowbars' is promoting such a company, why not give the name and office number, at least? Google, rambler and yandex allow to find quickly many details about a company, enough to have a first basic opinion about its serious.

And for 'mitam77', I know a lot of officials in many services, they ALL have a BUSINESS email address even if they also use mail/yandex/post etc.ru !!! I have a lot of adresses too, but when I have to contact somebody about my job, I use my PROFESSIONAL address, not a yandex or mail.ru one!

do you wanna really help? great, so go all the way and check for us the entity of the company but do not "a priori" attack someone else business

Bels
16-12-2007, 22:56
For goodness sake sal, there is no attack. We are just wary of what we don't know. We are taking the info as it comes, and it's limited. Expats are not advised to respond to such limited words in posts. That's it final. Full stop.

Guest
16-12-2007, 23:35
do you wanna really help? great, so go all the way and check for us the entity of the company but do not "a priori" attack someone else business


Sal. show me you are clever: The girl did NOT name any company nor gave any checkable phone number! And this was exactly why I warned here!

Do you understand now?

SalTheReturn
17-12-2007, 00:52
Sal. show me you are clever: The girl did NOT name any company nor gave any checkable phone number! And this was exactly why I warned here!

Do you understand now?

dude, you are talking to someone who has seen expats entering sleazy offices and getting out with a 3 months registration with as little as 20bucks
so personally i am not much concerned about the legal aspect of his/her business because all i want it is my documentation and i do not care of how he/she provide

anyway i have re-read couple of posts and seem he said "I run a business"...does that mean a company? is he an agent?

but if you are really concerned, since you are otu there to help, go all the way through and see whaats up with the company/agent/whomsoever

personally i would say you cannot feed this "culture of suspect"

Surfsup37
17-12-2007, 01:11
Guest,

I just gave a green and in this area I agree with you 100%. There are enough legitimate agencies out there, without going to a unknown person/entity. You have proven in all of your messages on this subject to be knowledgeable, helpful, and reliable.

I for one really appreciate your posts. I don't know if Snowball is legitimate or not, but with the current situation I believe you will see a lot of scam arrests or criminals come looking for money.

Every country has a criminal element, just look at the situation in Western Europe. In every country, you will have people selling forged documents: passports, work permits etc. If you use of those forms, you could very well end up in prison, and lots of people do. Back in the good old days, I was offered $10,00 for my passport. You can't stop people from doing stupid things, but you should warn them if you can.

mitam77
17-12-2007, 02:03
Poor Snowbars...........!!!!

She has merely said she can recommend somebody =whose phone/email has she has posted.

NO money has been demanded=
NO promises been given
NO legal info given by her or her contact.
NO complain been received from her contacts to date.
NO laws been broken as far as Russian legislation been concerned.

Whats all the fuss about guys?

Dont consider Expats to be stupid. They will /should make their checks before they commit to pay money......in the same way we see on this site restaurant/travel agents/shops/clubs/bars etc been recommended.

SalTheReturn
17-12-2007, 09:29
Poor Snowbars...........!!!!

She has merely said she can recommend somebody =whose phone/email has she has posted.

NO money has been demanded=
NO promises been given
NO legal info given by her or her contact.
NO complain been received from her contacts to date.
NO laws been broken as far as Russian legislation been concerned.

Whats all the fuss about guys?

Dont consider Expats to be stupid. They will /should make their checks before they commit to pay money......in the same way we see on this site restaurant/travel agents/shops/clubs/bars etc been recommended.

it is sociologically defined as "culture of suspect" and currently a social disease which is complicating the lives of many well-minded individuals who are out there, as in this case, only to offer a service

Guest, being in Moscow, as the possibility of checking things...so I invite him to do this and then report. If Traveller is out there to rescue tenants from cruel landlords/landladies:vader:, Guest is out there to protect expats from perspective fraud linked to the visa business:vader:.

Bels
18-12-2007, 19:31
do you wanna really help? great, so go all the way and check for us the entity of the company but do not "a priori" attack someone else business

If it's a bonafide business, a business name would help. ie: Liga consultants.
Rather I think this place is very good, but I don't know its name, its address etc. I don't know who they are.

But I do know that they are supposed to be legal, and provide legal advice.

I'd like to buy this insurance from Joe Blogs. So Joe Blogs gives me a typed policy from his word processer and I pay him 3,000. Now what a fantastic deal I have, my life is now is now covered for 50,000 and my family can rest assured that they will be secure if I die.

Guest
18-12-2007, 21:08
Guest, being in Moscow, as the possibility of checking things...so I invite him to do this and then report.

For sure no, it isn't my job to check what people post here... Unless they begin to attack me personally, the 2 last ones understood quickly.

If people are interested to work with "snowbars", they are free to make their DD by themselves, or ask a professional to do it. They are also free to believe all what is posted here and there, and will assume the risks.

I met a guy from an Asian country some time ago, he was behind bars for illegally entering the RF. He didn't understand, he said "I just bought my visa in my city, the guy who sold it to me got it in a few hours and for cheaper than the consulate". He for sure saved money at first... But at the end, after a few days in detention, expelled and banned for a few years, I am not sure he saved anything.

Bels
18-12-2007, 21:28
Good post Guest, hopefully sal and others are beginning to understand now.

Bels
18-12-2007, 21:32
Guest,

I just gave a green and in this area I agree with you 100%. There are enough legitimate agencies out there, without going to a unknown person/entity. You have proven in all of your messages on this subject to be knowledgeable, helpful, and reliable.

I for one really appreciate your posts. I don't know if Snowball is legitimate or not, but with the current situation I believe you will see a lot of scam arrests or criminals come looking for money.

Every country has a criminal element, just look at the situation in Western Europe. In every country, you will have people selling forged documents: passports, work permits etc. If you use of those forms, you could very well end up in prison, and lots of people do. Back in the good old days, I was offered $10,00 for my passport. You can't stop people from doing stupid things, but you should warn them if you can.

Good post, so you've got a green from me. Some people need to be warned of possible dangers.

SalTheReturn
19-12-2007, 00:40
Good post Guest, hopefully sal and others are beginning to understand now.

no because my embassy would take me 48hrs to let me out of any russian jail, he is talking about a thirld worlder probably non-white

russia do not **** up with EU passport

Guest
19-12-2007, 00:49
no because my embassy would take me 48hrs to let me out of any russian jail, he is talking about a thirld worlder probably non-white

russia do not **** up with EU passport


Your embassy? LOOOL! Wanna test, Sal?

And FYI the guy I talked about was from Japan. Less 3-rd world than Italy... He made the big mistake during a trip in Holland, if I remember correctly.

SalTheReturn
19-12-2007, 10:01
Your embassy? LOOOL! Wanna test, Sal?

And FYI the guy I talked about was from Japan. Less 3-rd world than Italy... He made the big mistake during a trip in Holland, if I remember correctly.

from Japan, thats interesting...is he in jail? Hmm, that should make preachers like you quite happy...
if Russians suffer of such inferiority complexes and people like Guest represent the country, well guys you can have all the oil you want but destinated to misery anyway

Let me repeat the concept fascist and stick it into your mind please:
IF I COMMITT A CRIME ON PURPOSE I AM AFRAID AND MAY END UP IN JAIL, IF I GET SCAMMED I AM OUT OF JAIL QUICK

Guest
19-12-2007, 12:17
IF I COMMITT A CRIME ON PURPOSE I AM AFRAID AND MAY END UP IN JAIL, IF I GET SCAMMED I AM OUT OF JAIL QUICK


In the thread we exactly were talking of GUILTY people who bought false visa or got visa with false documents!


You again show that you are a simple, ordinary produrak, who doesn't understand anything. And about your insults, LOL... Coming from you, I LOVE them and consider them as very nice sentences :))) PLEASE INSULT ME AGAIN!

BTW I am still waiting you come in Moscow, for our evening. Or are you so afraid? :doh:

Surfsup37
19-12-2007, 12:32
Let me repeat the concept fascist and stick it into your mind please:
IF I COMMITT A CRIME ON PURPOSE I AM AFRAID AND MAY END UP IN JAIL, IF I GET SCAMMED I AM OUT OF JAIL QUICK

Sal, if you are caught with fraudulent documents then you have committed a crime. The local authorities will then make a decision as to whether they believe you made an innocent mistake or not.

Case in point - A woman spent 3 months studying in Russia this summer. Before leaving she bought a couple of gifts for her BF at a local market. The woman was stopped at the airport, and arrested because the gift she bought were Soviet medals , and it is illegal to take them out of the country. (However, you can buy them in most any market in Russia) She spent time in jail, was released for trial, and then spent another month of so forbidden to leave Russia. In the end, she was fined and released. She was an American student from South America.

SalTheReturn
19-12-2007, 16:19
Sal, if you are caught with fraudulent documents then you have committed a crime. The local authorities will then make a decision as to whether they believe you made an innocent mistake or not.

Case in point - A woman spent 3 months studying in Russia this summer. Before leaving she bought a couple of gifts for her BF at a local market. The woman was stopped at the airport, and arrested because the gift she bought were Soviet medals , and it is illegal to take them out of the country. (However, you can buy them in most any market in Russia) She spent time in jail, was released for trial, and then spent another month of so forbidden to leave Russia. In the end, she was fined and released. She was an American student from South America.

it is you who does not get it at all

if i did not commit a crime (ie. i bought the visa from someone introduing himelse/herlsef like an agent) i have nothing to fear and my embassy would provide to have me out of any jail

if you are afraid it is only because you made a crime and know it

Guest, this guy was the victim of a scammer or bought it on purpose?

as concern our night out, would you take any girl with us?:)

xSnoofovich
19-12-2007, 16:35
I met a guy from an Asian country some time ago.....

let me guess, was he uzbeki? or a tajik? ;)

Guest
19-12-2007, 19:50
let me guess, was he uzbeki? or a tajik? ;)


From Japan, as I already wrote.

Sal, YES he was the victim of a scammer just because he was greedy and stupid. Greedy because he thought save money by buying it cheaper, and stupid because he bought it to an unknown in the street who claimed to be an accredited agent.

So yes he was a victim, that is why he was only expelled and banned 3 years (3 if I remember correctly) and not sent to jail here. He just wait a few days in a detention facility the time to check that he had no previous record and to check the international databases.

Sad for him, but he now knows that visa are to be got in the RF consulates.

Guest
19-12-2007, 19:55
if i did not commit a crime (ie. i bought the visa from someone introduing himelse/herlsef like an agent) i have nothing to fear and my embassy would provide to have me out of any jail


Embassy or not you will not stay in jail, but embassy or not you will be deported and banned.

And if you believe anybody saying, in the street near the consulate "Hey I am an agent and can get the visa quickly and cheaper", you are a bit stupid...

Bels
19-12-2007, 20:29
Embassy or not you will not stay in jail, but embassy or not you will be deported and banned.

And if you believe anybody saying, in the street near the consulate "Hey I am an agent and can get the visa quickly and cheaper", you are a bit stupid...

To sum it all up, if you buy a legal document such as residency, invitation, visa etc and it's discovered to be an illegal one, whether you were aware of it or not you will have problems big time. Go with who you know and trust

Guest
19-12-2007, 20:59
To sum it all up, if you buy a legal document such as residency, invitation, visa etc and it's discovered to be an illegal one, whether you were aware of it or not you will have problems big time. Go with who you know and trust


Right.

And never submit false documents to get a true one; even if you get it, later it can be canceled as you submitted false documents.

The ONLY way to "improve" the system is to deal with guys that know WHOM to speak with, to SPEED the process. But your documents should ALWAYS be real and true. And you MUST ALWAYS receive your documents DIRECTLY from the Administration (Consulate, FMS, etc) and NEVER NEVER NEVER it should be the agent/agency that gives it to you. That will ensure you to receive a TRUE document. Only exception for visas, if the agency is a well-known one.

It is easy to find in Moscow agencies that can make you receive RVP, VNJ or citizenship. You pay, give them your documents and receive what you ordered after a few weeks. Just try, you will receive good looking documents. But don't expect real ones!

kalpana1011
02-06-2008, 12:13
Hi, I have got new passport issues for my 10year old son whose passport was expiring in 6months, i have russian visa until 13th june,but i need to transfer this visa on new passport urgently as i need to leave by 13th june as our visa expires by then. can you please let me know if you can help. thanks

kalpana1011
02-06-2008, 12:16
please reply if you can help to transfer my visa to new passport thanks