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stephenk2
23-08-2013, 17:46
Hey everyone,

I guess this would be a good time to start fielding some advice from you all.
I am moving into a new apartment in September with my Russian girlfriend. We have some concerns and I thought I would throw them on the table and see what you all think.
Location: Novogireevo
2 Bedroom apartment (~47m2) 8th floor (of 9 floor apartment building)
5 minute walk from metro
Monthly rent: 30,000p. (no 1st, last and security deposit needed)

Here's what the place needs:
Windows need replacing (landlord said to pay monthly rent towards new windows, she'll cover the rest)
Previous renters leaving and we'll need to have someone come in and "straighten" the walls (ie: clean off the old wallpaper and such)

We need to paint the walls, install new wallpaper (where needed), purchase a refrigerator, washing machine, bed mattress and really the whole nine. The place comes with an IKEA rollable/foldable couch/bed, fully re-done bathroom, a new oven and stove and an out-dated kitchen.

Here are my questions:
1. Can we do all the necessities for under $2,000.00 (yes, dollars) OR 70,000p.?

2. Does anyone know roughly how much it would cost to paint the apartment ourselves? (I am a pretty good handyman and DIY'er) Anyone got prices on paint at OBI? I know there are many different types of paints
but, I just want to get a general idea.

That's it from me. I hope this is in the proper section (if not, note to Moderator: please excuse me and place in proper area of the forums).
I am welcome to all advice and comments.

Thanks,
Stephen

Potty
23-08-2013, 17:59
The landlord is going to have you.

stephenk2
23-08-2013, 18:04
The landlord is the mother of my girlfriend's current housemate and friend of 8 years.



The landlord is going to have you.

Potty
23-08-2013, 18:19
I think you could do all the necessities for under 2k if you do all the work by yourself. But to straighten russian walls can take much time.

Potty
23-08-2013, 18:21
And if the bed mattresses would be not top quality. Good mattress (double bed) costs from 30k rub I think.

Potty
23-08-2013, 18:23
The landlord is the mother of my girlfriend's current housemate and friend of 8 years.

You are a really nice guy.

Benedikt
24-08-2013, 01:27
[COLOR="Red"]Here's what the place needs:
Windows need replacing (landlord said to pay monthly rent towards new windows, she'll cover the rest)
Previous renters leaving and we'll need to have someone come in and "straighten" the walls (ie: clean off the old wallpaper and such)


Windows REHAU for a 2 room apt are 2000 $. ( we had them done 5 years ago...double and triple glazing)) they come in in the morning, take all the measurements, deliver during the day,as long as they are more or less -standard size- and start either the same time or the next morning, but they do everything in one day. they work clean, fast and efficient. old windows though you have to take out yourself. they only take them out onto the landing of the staircase, not out and down.
check out your mail box you got quotations and papers there every day... or REHAu has reps in every better shopping center...
if an OBI is not to far away, you got it all done. they will give you quotations for paint, don't go for wallpaper, with the ubiquitous skew walls of Moscow's older apartments it is hard work, painting is much easier. Choose TIKKURILLA, the Finnish paint, it is good quality. though OBI being a German shop might flog their brands.
but it will cost you more than your wanted 2000$...

for refrigerator and the like, check out this site, you will find something there. we use the site quite extensively,never had problems http://www.avito.ru/

xSnoofovich
24-08-2013, 01:58
for appliances-

i would price check using market.yandex.ru

Alan65
24-08-2013, 10:58
Before stripping off old wallpaper be carefull.

If the walls are plaster on brickwork, the plaster may be "blown" and the wallpaper may be the only thing holding the plaster on.

"Blown plaster" is where the plaster has lost its bond to the brickwork, to find out if this is the case just randomly tap the walls with your knuckles and listen to the sound, if you get a hollow sound the plaster is blown and will fall off if you strip wallpaper off, you will then have to do a lot of repairs, filling sanding etc to make it look good

If you get a nice solid dense sound all will be okay, then just get a wallpaper steamer like this, I am sure you can find them in Russia

http://www.wickes.co.uk/wallpaper-steam-stripper/invt/610001/?source=123_74&tmcampid=104&tmad=c&tmplaceref=PPC_ggl_0006635&tmcustom=mkwid|W5fPyZGt_dc|pcrid|7531858372|match||plid|&gclid=CJry9rG_lbkCFQ_LtAod3UwAxQ

Failing that just score the wallpaper and sponge it with water, let the water soak in until until the wallpaper paste loses its bond and the paper will fall off.

As for paint and Obi own brand will be good enough for the first few coats, just roll it on being carefull not to put too much on the roller, avoid sprays and spend time flattening it out, a larger roller will be a lot quicker.

sophietherese
24-08-2013, 11:19
that seemns an awful lot of work for a rented place... aspecially every work you do might cause you damage... What I mean is: with an old place, old walls etc, there are always bad surprises. And If you agree to do all the work, you'll have to cover all the unexpected expenses... I would ask the landlord to have it done before you move in.
Aspecially with people you know more or less, thiss kind of arrangement can be tricky...

penka
24-08-2013, 12:16
If the place is run down, I'd check electricity and plumbing professionally, in agreement with the landlord to avoid any liabilities in the case of mishap.

Also, if you are to undertake reparations in the flat, those must be outlined in your tenancy agreement to protect both parties.

Normally, if the apartment is rented out with electrical appliances, their working condition is mentioned in the agreement.

Inventory list with the photos is always a good idea.

stephenk2
24-08-2013, 16:43
Potty - Thanks. My girlfriend and her father (general contractor and home-builder) went to the apartment today to look over the whole place. I was told that total repairs will not cost more than 15,000-20,000p., however I will be realistic and say that we will probably exceed even this estimate!
I really want to spend the bulk of my budget on the "must-need" items like a good quality bed so I am budgeting around 25,000-30,000 just for the bed frame and mattress.

Benedikt - Thanks a ton for your input! I was thinking of going REHAU! Those double and triple glazing windows are really great! Taking out the old windows will be my first experience so....that should be interesting!
Question: Do I just simply take them to the regular garbage containers (usually located outside of apartment buildings) or what?
OBI is not far - Bela Dacha is about 20 minutes away
As far as the wallpaper, my girlfriend is a designer and she wants wallpaper on several walls (thank God, not in our bedroom!) I guess it will be a give and take on that subject!
I have never heard of TIKKURILLA but, I will check it out!
We have already secured a fridge and washing machine through "avito.ru".
Thanks for the tip!

xSnoofovich - Thanks for the hint with yandex on those price checks. I believe we will pay around 10,000 for the fridge and about 13,000 on the washing machine.

Alan65 - Thank you for the thorough explanation of the types of concrete walls. When I get a chance to get over to the apartment, I will check this personally. I definitely don't want this remodel to take longer than it needs to! As for the wallpaper steamer - that thing is cool! I've done wallpaper and wall painting many times in the past and I've never used such a thing. It definitely would have saved me a helluva lot of time! I always used those triangle scoring hand-held tools, a metal painters spatula and water. Thanks for the advice on the OBI generic paints. With reference to Benedikts tip on the Finnish paint, I may have to go the OBI route if my funds start getting depleted (quicker than I estimate)!

SophieTherese - Yes, it does seem like a lot of work to just move in to an apartment - I very much agree. I have lived in several apartments (US) and they have all been move-in ready. I realize this is going to be a touchy area given that we know the landlord, however, I think I will run it by my girlfriend and see what they are willing to do! I will have to "tread lightly"!

Penka - Thanks for the comments. I WILL BE asking about the necessary amendments reflecting the work I will be doing to the apartment - both for approval and the general mutual understanding to be written down so that we all know what is expected of each party involved. The inventory list and photos are also a very good idea.

Thank you to you all for your input. I will update over the next few weeks with info and maybe some before/after photos of the place.
If anyone wishes to add to the comments, please feel free to do so. I am only one person and as smart as I like to think I am - I do not know everything and welcome new ideas!
Previously, we weren't able to start repairs until 10-September and now, the current renters plan to vacate earlier (about a week earlier) and this was great news as we will be able to start earlier and hopefully move-in on my birthday weekend!

Thanks again,
Stephen

penka
24-08-2013, 17:20
Good luck, stephenk! Hope, you and your girlfriend will enjoy staying at that place!

Benedikt
24-08-2013, 19:28
Benedikt - Thanks a ton for your input! I was thinking of going REHAU! Those double and triple glazing windows are really great! Taking out the old windows will be my first experience so....that should be interesting!
Question: Do I just simply take them to the regular garbage containers (usually located outside of apartment buildings) or what?
OBI is not far - Bela Dacha is about 20 minutes away
As far as the wallpaper, my girlfriend is a designer and she wants wallpaper on several walls (thank God, not in our bedroom!) I guess it will be a give and take on that subject!
I have never heard of TIKKURILLA but, I will check it out!
We have already secured a fridge and washing machine through "avito.ru".
Thanks for the tip!

here is a link to the paint factory, for reasons unknown i can not open it...
https://www.google.ru/search?q=tikkurila+paint+from+finland&oq=tikkurila+paint+from+finland&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.9775j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

the windows:
besides the normal garbage containers we have in the yard also an open top dumpster for all the over sized garbage. and since the windows were more or less still in good shape, no frame or glass broken, i started to put the first one there. and immediately got asked if i had some more and needed help to remove them. all the windows went than out into the country as replacement for a Dacha...
but just put them next to the containers or dumpster and if they are in a fairly good condition, they will quickly find someone who has a need for them.

tonytony
24-08-2013, 21:29
[COLOR="Red"]all the windows went than out into the country as replacement for a Dacha...

but just put them next to the containers or dumpster and if they are in a fairly good condition, they will quickly find someone who has a need for them.


It's surprising just how much stuff does end up being recycled onto dachas. The first time I got invited to a friend's dacha it turns out that it had more to do with them needing help with taking a fridge there. They had just bought a new one for their flat and the old one was going to be used at the dacha.

This really is a lot more practical and useful way of recycling things rather than the way things are done back in the UK.

Alan65
24-08-2013, 21:49
It's surprising just how much stuff does end up being recycled onto dachas. The first time I got invited to a friend's dacha it turns out that it had more to do with them needing help with taking a fridge there. They had just bought a new one for their flat and the old one was going to be used at the dacha.

This really is a lot more practical and useful way of recycling things rather than the way things are done back in the UK.

Actually in the UK we just leave it outside and the modern day rag and bone man comes around, picks it up and everthing is recycled.

It is a lot better to get an energy efficient machine than burning gas/electricty on something 15 years old.

Benedikt
24-08-2013, 22:30
It is a lot better to get an energy efficient machine than burning gas/electricty on something 15 years old.[/QUOTE]



but not everbody has always the financial ways and means to buy something new. so, one does what is possible and feasible.
and in the UK how much of your electricity is being produced by atomic power stations? so far no one has found a reasonable and safe solution for the disposal of the -leftovers- after the last worker will walk out and turns off the last light....

Alan65
24-08-2013, 22:49
It is a lot better to get an energy efficient machine than burning gas/electricty on something 15 years old.



but not everbody has always the financial ways and means to buy something new. so, one does what is possible and feasible.
and in the UK how much of your electricity is being produced by atomic power stations? so far no one has found a reasonable and safe solution for the disposal of the -leftovers- after the last worker will walk out and turns off the last light....[/QUOTE]

well it is between 15 - 18 % renewables at the moment and growing each year, same pattern throughout Europe ....how do you deal with the waste from hydrocarbons?

Benedikt
25-08-2013, 06:33
well it is between 15 - 18 % renewables at the moment and growing each year, same pattern throughout Europe ....how do you deal with the waste from hydrocarbons?[/QUOTE]



because this was not the question in the first place. and we should leave it at that. (In Austria over 60% of our energy used comes from renewable sources, which to the greatest part is from water, of which we have abundance.)

Julija K
25-08-2013, 13:22
Tikkurila is the best finnish product. Recommended. ;)

stephenk2
25-08-2013, 18:31
Thank you Julija K for putting us all back on topic)))
Don't mind tangents - I know I do it all too often myself!
I am currently out of the country but my girlfriend is taking
care of all the "business" while I am away.
New News: te landlord requested the cheapest plastic windows
to be installed - sooooo, I guess that means no glazed windows
for us(((

Benedikt
25-08-2013, 22:34
New News: te landlord requested the cheapest plastic windows
to be installed - sooooo, I guess that means no glazed windows
for us((([/QUOTE]


convince him at least to go for DOUBLE glazing!and don't forget, the panes with mosquito netting,for at least one window each, come for free. don't let them charge you.
you should get at least one single pane for the kitchen,one for the bedroom, one for the dining room. nothing for the balcony, even if the balcony is not enclosed but open.

inorcist
26-08-2013, 13:55
I needed to have the windows fixed in my apartment as well. My landlord was too lazy to come into town, so we arranged that he'd send some specialist and we'd agree on a price via phone. I paid for the windows and then deducted the price from the rent.

The cost for four windows including cleaning and removal of the windows was about RUB 60k. The windows had to be custom-made because the apartment building is very old and windows did not match any standard sizes. That probably drove up the price.

Once the windows were delivered the whole procedure took one day only. The guys came at 9:30 in the morning and cleaners were gone by midnight.

stephenk2
27-08-2013, 00:11
inorcist - Thanks for sharing your experience. Can you tell me what company was used? My girlfriend will be doing all the "leg work" on this project (for the landlord as they live quite far from Moscow) and we could use some tips on good companies that provide great service (including removal of the old windows and disposal).
Thanks again!

inorcist
27-08-2013, 01:04
Windows are produced by a company called Roto. As far as I know they're German and produce locally here in Russia. I honestly don't remember if the guy who installed the windows was working for the company or if he was self-employed.

For the removal of dirt and old windows we went to a nearby construction site to see which company they used for removal and asked them to provide us with a container. The price was negligible.

stephenk2
29-08-2013, 12:32
Thanks inorcist! My girlfriend should have a company within the next few days. I will let her know about Roto! But, Roto did not remove the old windows or clean up after themselves?

Judge
29-08-2013, 12:38
Another window company is http://www.kaleva-ru.ru/
I've used them, they take out the old windows, check out their site and compare prices and windows..

Here's info about them removing the old windows..
http://www.kaleva-ru.ru/service/dismanting/

stephenk2
29-08-2013, 12:44
Judge - awesome info! Thanks!

inorcist
29-08-2013, 14:19
But, Roto did not remove the old windows or clean up after themselves?
No, they didn't. Container, window installation and cleaning were all organized separately by us. But it was no big deal, two / three phone calls and that's it.

AnyaInLove
08-09-2013, 22:49
Before stripping off old wallpaper be carefull.

If the walls are plaster on brickwork, the plaster may be "blown" and the wallpaper may be the only thing holding the plaster on.

I second this: I CANNOT stress it enough! I've been through this myself, fortunately for me I'm quite handy, otherwise this may come as a shock for you. A cement drill can also come in handy and get some good spackling paste and you should be just fine. Good luck!

stephenk2
10-09-2013, 11:18
I am leaving everything in the area of remodeling to my g/f's father who is a general contractor. He will be doing all the prep work before we paint and put up wallpaper. New windows will be installed on the 16th of September (even though we told them we chose their company because they could do the job within our time frame...and then they push it back....I guess I shouldn't be surprised!). Anyway, we get keys today and we start the remodel tomorrow. Before/After pictures will be underway very soon! Thank you to everyone that has chipped in their advice!
-Stephen

stephenk2
06-10-2013, 22:59
Ok, so, it's been a while since I have kept you all in the loop. Things have been slow and I have been keeping my patience (or learning how to find more of it)! Anyway, hopefully the link will work and you all can check out the pictures of the destruction, remodel, and construction of the apartment.
If you have questions, let me know.
Enoy!
Apartment Remodel - a set on Flickr