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xSnoofovich
03-08-2013, 00:19
Safe for work - just face shots,

http://izismile.com/2013/03/08/porn_stars_before_and_after_their_makeup_makeover_93_pics.html#jOEZ6uY90bceoIlL.99

krasotochka
03-08-2013, 00:25
Just like in real life - girl with make up and without may seem absolutely different person :-)

xSnoofovich
03-08-2013, 00:32
Just like in real life - girl with make up and without may seem absolutely different person :-)

Well, that is true....

http://img.izismile.com/img/img6/20130308/640/porn_stars_before_and_after_their_makeup_makeover_640_85.jpg

krasotochka
03-08-2013, 01:34
That's why I don't wear make up most of the time :-) I want to be liked for who I am :-)

Jack17
03-08-2013, 02:32
For a few of these girls, makeup can only help; but most look better without.

Potty
03-08-2013, 05:49
Foo. Porn industry is definitely in crisis.

Benedikt
03-08-2013, 07:12
[QUOTE=xSnoofovich;1198256]Safe for work - just face shots,

i always thought something else is important and that for sure is not the face.;)

rusmeister
03-08-2013, 08:31
Foo. Porn industry is definitely in crisis.

Since "crisis" is actually an ancient Greek word for "judgement" (as in, "the judgement of God") I agree.

I prefer to translate Greek and Latin words into plain English. :D

Russian Lad
03-08-2013, 10:14
Originally Posted by Potty View Post
Foo. Porn industry is definitely in crisis.
Since "crisis" is actually an ancient Greek word for "judgement" (as in, "the judgement of God") I agree.

I prefer to translate Greek and Latin words into plain English.

BabyFirefly, the guy is clearly trying to hijack the thread and turn it into yet another religious debate, not sure what you are thanking him for as a moderator... Besides, crisis in Greek means "decision", "a turning point", and judgement in this sense - a decision.
On the subject - yes, make up and high heels make a woman. They are selling to us illusions, mostly.:)
Potty, porn industry is not in crisis, it will never be. Each of these girls is a dollar millionaire. Even the ugly ones.

Nobbynumbnuts
03-08-2013, 17:05
...... Each of these girls is a dollar millionaire. Even the ugly ones.

I think you'll find these girls don't make anywhere near the kind of money you think they do.

Russian Lad
03-08-2013, 17:28
Originally Posted by Russian Lad View Post
...... Each of these girls is a dollar millionaire. Even the ugly ones.
I think you'll find these girls don't make anywhere near the kind of money you think they do.

Listen, sex, drugs and guns always sell better than anything else. You can print these words, frame them and place them on your desk.:) It seems like you need it.
Jack, as for you, I am surprised that you don't know such basics actually.:)

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_porn_star_salary

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/20-richest-porn-stars/#!/2-tera-patrick-net-worth_1299/

Nobbynumbnuts
03-08-2013, 19:33
Listen, sex, drugs and guns always sell better than anything else. You can print these words, frame them and place them on your desk.:) It seems like you need it.
Jack, as for you, I am surprised that you don't know such basics actually.:)

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_porn_star_salary

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/20-richest-porn-stars/#!/2-tera-patrick-net-worth_1299/

Like all other industries, those at the top make good money. For every one at the top there are thousands and thousands who are struggling to survive.

C'est la vie..

Jack17
03-08-2013, 19:49
Listen, sex, drugs and guns always sell better than anything else. You can print these words, frame them and place them on your desk.:) It seems like you need it.
Jack, as for you, I am surprised that you don't know such basics actually.:)

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_porn_star_salary

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/20-richest-porn-stars/#!/2-tera-patrick-net-worth_1299/
Hey RL, your money problems could be solved - did you see those rates ($15K!) for gay man-on-man sex?

Anyway, those rates may apply in the San Fernando Valley of LA; however, I doubt that is what the average Russian or Ukrainian girl is making. BTW, $100K per year in LA is not a lot of money; it's OK, but not a lot.

Nobbynumbnuts
03-08-2013, 19:55
....I doubt that is what the average Russian or Ukrainian girl is making..........

That's not what the average American is earning either.

robertmf
03-08-2013, 20:43
Like all other industries, those at the top make good money. For every one at the top there are thousands and thousands who are struggling to survive.

C'est la vie..

Yes, the good ones should make $good money$ because "porn" and the ilk can be a dangerous business full of pitfalls - :yikes: and it's a long way down (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130803_Woman_dies_in_fall_at_waterfront_high_rise.html).

Russian Lad
03-08-2013, 21:18
Yes, the good ones should make $good money$ because "porn" and the ilk can be a dangerous business full of pitfalls

Any employment or business is full of pitfalls and is dangerous - I can post here thousands of links about thousands of people who died at work of got grave work-related injuries/health or mental problems.
However, what you posted looks like an accident - almost anyone can get drunk or slip and fall off a balcony. I don't think the porn industry is responsible for this particular one. Even if you take up substance abuse - quite many actors and singers use drugs as well (just as many ordinary people do, incuding your beloved Christians), they are not related to porn in any way. Recently a 31 y.o. famous Canadian actor died from overdose.
What is more, the established fact is just living is also dangerous, we don't know anyone who has managed to survive in the long run...


Like all other industries, those at the top make good money. For every one at the top there are thousands and thousands who are struggling to survive.

C'est la vie..

Yes, it must be a really painful struggle for survival for most of them average porn industry employees - shagging in front of a camera for USD 100-500 per hour. I watch porn sometimes, for some reason I haven't seen a lot of suffering or misery there.


Hey RL, your money problems could be solved - did you see those rates ($15K!) for gay man-on-man sex?

Well, I hope Dechante will promise to feed me on a regular basis when I am in the street and starving. But sure, everything will be an option soon, any fagg[ts here I can have sex on camera with? Come on, come out of your closets, mates, it is time to make some cash! Hohoho

Jack17
03-08-2013, 22:42
That's not what the average American is earning either.
True, the average American earns about $50K/yr; but if you consider most husbands and wives (or partners) both work in America, it is what the average American household earns.

Nobbynumbnuts
03-08-2013, 22:46
..........Yes, it must be a really painful struggle for survival for most of them average porn industry employees - shagging in front of a camera for USD 100-500 per hour. I watch porn sometimes, for some reason I haven't seen a lot of suffering or misery there........

..and i'm sure the thought of all those rich porn stars helps to get you off. ;)

Nobbynumbnuts
03-08-2013, 22:48
True, the average American earns about $50K/yr; but if you consider most husbands and wives (or partners) both work in America, it is what the average American household earns.

Porn industry Jack, remember? Try and keep up! ;)

rusmeister
04-08-2013, 02:15
Well, that is true....

http://img.izismile.com/img/img6/20130308/640/porn_stars_before_and_after_their_makeup_makeover_640_85.jpg

I feel like the only one who can see that this is somebody's daughter, and who knows what it means to have a daughter.

If it were possible, I would require all men over the age of twenty-one to have a daughter.

There is a certain dimension of vision that having children helps one attain, and the lack of children usually means a resulting blindness.

Russian Lad
04-08-2013, 02:48
I feel like the only one who can see that this is somebody's daughter, and who knows what it means to have a daughter.

If it were possible, I would require all men over the age of twenty-one to have a daughter.

There is a certain dimension of vision that having children helps one attain, and the lack of children usually means a resulting blindness.

So what? She may have grown in an orfanage or chances are she has abusive parents. Or maybe they are even dead now and don't care anymore. No one is wishing this career for the daughters.:) She doesn't look underfed or suffering though.
Even if I had a daughter, however, I think at a certain point of her age I would stop being actively interested whom she ficks and in which positions she gives blowjobs or if she takes it in the asrse on a regular basis or not at all, or if she sometimes or often sleeps with men because it gives her privileges or even money. It will be entirely her business.
Do you prefer to know all such details about the sex life of your daughter(s)? Do you question them regarding such matters?

Nobbynumbnuts
04-08-2013, 04:29
........Or maybe they are even dead now and don't care anymore..................

Even if I had a daughter, however, I think at a certain point of her age I would stop being actively interested whom she ficks and in which positions she gives blowjobs or if she takes it in the asrse.............

How you post the cr*p you do with a straight face is nothing short of amazing! :rofl:

Russian Lad
04-08-2013, 04:57
How you post the cr*p you do with a straight face is nothing short of amazing!

Well, Rus implies I am blind, I am just trying to acquire some vision here, hopefully an insightful one, with first-hands experience reports. What is your take on the matter?:) Do you think it is wise and advisable to poke into a grown up daughter's sex life and occupational habits?

BabyFirefly
04-08-2013, 05:11
Even if I had a daughter, however, I think at a certain point of her age I would stop being actively interested whom she ficks and in which positions she gives blowjobs or if she takes it in the asrse on a regular basis or not at all, or if she sometimes or often sleeps with men because it gives her privileges or even money. It will be entirely her business.
Do you prefer to know all such details about the sex life of your daughter(s)? Do you question them regarding such matters?

Do you have sisters maybe? I can't imagine you'd feel this about your daughter. I don't know any father who is ever okay with the idea of her daughter having sex, much less doing porn, the same way we don't really want to think that our parents do it.

I can understand why a woman would work in porn; it's good money if you're not educated and have no other way of making good money, but I would have trouble not losing my mind if I ever found out my sister or a daughter of mine did it. No way.

About liking rus's post, well, I like philology. The study of where words came from. I'm not sure if that's what it's called, I am kind of drunk now.

Nobbynumbnuts
04-08-2013, 05:14
Well, Rus implies I am blind, I am just trying to acquire some vision here, hopefully an insightful one, with first-hands experience reports. What is your take on the matter?:) Do you think it is wise and advisable to poke into a grown up daughter's sex life and occupational habits?

I apologize RL.
There's no need to poke into your daughters sex life if you have done your job as a parent thoroughly. You can rest assured she's taking it in the arse properly! :10293:

Russian Lad
04-08-2013, 06:39
There's no need to poke into your daughters sex life if you have done your job as a parent thoroughly.

Well, that's exactly my point. Besides, nothing can be done to change things at the point when it is already happening. Or not much, in most cases.


Do you have sisters maybe? I can't imagine you'd feel this about your daughter.

Yes, I have a sister, but I am not a pervert, her sex life is her sex life, I don't poke my nose in there. Well, if she worked in porn, I guess I would try to talk her out of it, but ultimately it would be her decision anyway. I don't seem to be able to talk any women out of anything in my life though, you are very stubborn species.

rusmeister
04-08-2013, 09:26
Well, Rus implies I am blind, I am just trying to acquire some vision here, hopefully an insightful one, with first-hands experience reports. What is your take on the matter?:) Do you think it is wise and advisable to poke into a grown up daughter's sex life and occupational habits?

I think that nearly all men who have a daughter actually CARE about their daughters, and love them, and so certainly inquire into their "sex life and occupational habits"; in other words, their lives, how they are and so on.

The test is mothers. Even the most jaded and childless man has a mother, and most such men, the normal ones, actually DO care about their mother's sex life and occupational habits. The sane and decent man will punch you in the nose if you actually call his mother a prostitute. And even YOU got in a tuff when I spoke about mothers in the abstract as an analogy to insulting religion. And that is why you should have, and how you should see sisters and daughters, to stop seeing them as pieces of meat or Kleenex for you to exercise your lusts on, and to start seeing them as human beings, whose degradation pains you.

As long as you don't see that, then yes, you are blind. So open your eyes! You can do it right now.

Russian Lad
04-08-2013, 09:56
I think that nearly all men who have a daughter actually CARE about their daughters, and love them, and so certainly inquire into their "sex life and occupational habits"; in other words, their lives, how they are and so on.

The test is mothers. Even the most jaded and childless man has a mother, and most such men, the normal ones, actually DO care about their mother's sex life and occupational habits. The sane and decent man will punch you in the nose if you actually call his mother a prostitute. And even YOU got in a tuff when I spoke about mothers in the abstract as an analogy to insulting religion. And that is why you should have, and how you should see sisters and daughters, to stop seeing them as pieces of meat or Kleenex for you to exercise your lusts on, and to start seeing them as human beings, whose degradation pains you.

I am really curious now regarding how you cared about the sex life of your mother. Can you share with us some more details?
We gotta ask Mickey if there is a name for this perversion in his science. Now it is becoming a bit more clear why you chose Christianity - an acute interest in the sex life of your mother plus the belief that fairy-tales are actually true. It sounds like a very explosive combination.
I think at the basis of all this is a deep catharsis during your childhood or early juvenile years - something banged on your head real hard back then to make you twisted as you are now. Care to tell us what it was? Maybe Christianity was the only way out for you, maybe it was a mistake.
Open your eyes now, you can do it if you try a bit harder...

rusmeister
04-08-2013, 17:25
I am really curious now regarding how you cared about the sex life of your mother. Can you share with us some more details?
We gotta ask Mickey if there is a name for this perversion in his science. Now it is becoming a bit more clear why you chose Christianity - an acute interest in the sex life of your mother plus the belief that fairy-tales are actually true. It sounds like a very explosive combination.
I think at the basis of all this is a deep catharsis during your childhood or early juvenile years - something banged on your head real hard back then to make you twisted as you are now. Care to tell us what it was? Maybe Christianity was the only way out for you, maybe it was a mistake.
Open your eyes now, you can do it if you try a bit harder...

This looks just like a chess game when you are losing and take a pawn with a rook, announcing check, regardless of the fact that your opponent has a free pawn defending the other one.

The empty comment does nothing to change the probable fact (I hope) that you are normal enough to not want anyone even suggesting such things about your own mother.

Your game is up, RL. Unless you have a real comment, you should resign.

Jack17
04-08-2013, 20:18
I think that nearly all men who have a daughter actually CARE about their daughters, and love them, and so certainly inquire into their "sex life and occupational habits"; in other words, their lives, how they are and so on.

The test is mothers. Even the most jaded and childless man has a mother, and most such men, the normal ones, actually DO care about their mother's sex life and occupational habits. The sane and decent man will punch you in the nose if you actually call his mother a prostitute. And even YOU got in a tuff when I spoke about mothers in the abstract as an analogy to insulting religion. And that is why you should have, and how you should see sisters and daughters, to stop seeing them as pieces of meat or Kleenex for you to exercise your lusts on, and to start seeing them as human beings, whose degradation pains you.

As long as you don't see that, then yes, you are blind. So open your eyes! You can do it right now.
More tiresome preaching, lecturing and moralizing.

Wouldn't you be happiest Rus moving back to the States and opening your own store front church in a strip mall?

Wouldn't preaching to your own congregation be more satisfying than preaching on expat.ru?

Russian Lad
04-08-2013, 21:20
This looks just like a chess game when you are losing and take a pawn with a rook, announcing check, regardless of the fact that your opponent has a free pawn defending the other one.

The empty comment does nothing to change the probable fact (I hope) that you are normal enough to not want anyone even suggesting such things about your own mother.

Your game is up, RL. Unless you have a real comment, you should resign.


Yes, sure I have a comment:


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rusmeister
04-08-2013, 23:01
More tiresome preaching, lecturing and moralizing.

Wouldn't you be happiest Rus moving back to the States and opening your own store front church in a strip mall?

Wouldn't preaching to your own congregation be more satisfying than preaching on expat.ru?

Absolutely not, Jack!
What would I do without you there? :)

Remington
05-08-2013, 00:39
Absolutely not, Jack!
What would I do without you there? :)

You could move back to the States and buy a house or build a church next to Jack's house. :D

xSnoofovich
05-08-2013, 00:52
I feel like the only one who can see that this is somebody's daughter, and who knows what it means to have a daughter.
.............

There is a certain dimension of vision that having children helps one attain, and the lack of children usually means a resulting blindness.


But Rus, there is also something called growing up.

At some point in time, girls become women.

Russian Lad
05-08-2013, 06:43
But Rus, there is also something called growing up.

At some point in time, girls become women.

Now our religious pervert will go after your mother's sex life, just wait...

rusmeister
05-08-2013, 07:04
But Rus, there is also something called growing up.

At some point in time, girls become women.

And you think that parents therefore cease to be parents and stop loving their children?
This tells me you don't have children.

It is an inability to grasp the dignity of human beings and how porn and prostitution degrade that dignity, something that the parent can perceive by being a parent, and the childless person often, as here, seems to be blind to (especially young men). That dignity does not disintegrate upon maturity.

Russian Lad
05-08-2013, 07:51
And you think that parents therefore cease to be parents and stop loving their children?
This tells me you don't have children.

It is an inability to grasp the dignity of human beings and how porn and prostitution degrade that dignity, something that the parent can perceive by being a parent, and the childless person often, as here, seems to be blind to (especially young men). That dignity does not disintegrate upon maturity.


Why are you extrapolating it onto someone's mothers or sisters all the time? It is really sick. Nobody says here that being a prostite or a porn-star is a great job for his mother or his sister, all I was saying, for example, that they are more than well paid in most cases, contrary to what many seem to believe. I didn't say it is a clean, psychologically healthy and/or respected job. But sex pays well, just as drugs or guns.

xSnoofovich
05-08-2013, 10:16
And you think that parents therefore cease to be parents and stop loving their children?
This tells me you don't have children.

It is an inability to grasp the dignity of human beings and how porn and prostitution degrade that dignity, something that the parent can perceive by being a parent, and the childless person often, as here, seems to be blind to (especially young men). That dignity does not disintegrate upon maturity.

Rus, I think we can agree that porn is degrading.

mrzuzzo
05-08-2013, 13:05
Many of these girls look alright without makeup.

I'm not too concerned about porn or the morality involved, so I'll let you guys fight over that.

A childhood friend of mine is a stripper, and she's quite happy with her job. She has a husband, he's fine with it. They both seem happy.

Don't be the judge and you won't be judged.

rusmeister
05-08-2013, 14:03
Many of these girls look alright without makeup.

I'm not too concerned about porn or the morality involved, so I'll let you guys fight over that.

A childhood friend of mine is a stripper, and she's quite happy with her job. She has a husband, he's fine with it. They both seem happy.

Don't be the judge and you won't be judged.

Mr Z, that quote about judging has to be one of the quotes most misunderstood and misused by people who want to justify and promote immorality.

We are not to judge the standing of other individuals before God. Put in terms you can understand, it means we can't say "You're going to burn in hell!" We can't be sure of any individual situation. Anyone who knew the thief on the cross next to Christ probably would have been sure of his damnation, and not having seen his repentance in the last moments of life, would be wrong.

But we ARE supposed to condemn immorality and wrong-doing. Put another way, "Condemn the sin, not the sinner". THAT is the line of what "judging" is. Stripping is wrong, as well as porn and prostitution, no matter HOW happy a person may seem to be or think he is in engaging in those things. I'm not going to judge YOU, but I will certainly judge those activities. I can also say that you are wrong to support or promote them, and that is STILL not "judging" you.