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Russophilia
06-06-2013, 23:28
How realistic is it for an unskilled worker who cannot speak the language to move to Russia without any connections or support from relatives and just maybe a couple thousand in his pocket?

I want to move out of this crippled, dying West, elsewhere including Russia to find peace. The low unemployment rate and continual economic growth looks great but I wanna hear it from people, not statistics.

Jack17
06-06-2013, 23:31
How realistic is it for an unskilled worker who cannot speak the language to move to Russia without any connections or support from relatives and just maybe a couple thousand in his pocket?


Easy, just do what 75,000,000 Russian men do; find a Russian woman to take care of you.

SV1973a
06-06-2013, 23:34
How realistic is it for an unskilled worker who cannot speak the language to move to Russia without any connections or support from relatives and just maybe a couple thousand in his pocket?

I want to move out of this crippled, dying West, elsewhere including Russia to find peace. The low unemployment rate and continual economic growth looks great but I wanna hear it from people, not statistics.

Totally unrealistic.

Russophilia
06-06-2013, 23:41
Easy, just do what 75,000,000 Russian men do; find a Russian woman to take care of you.

I was hoping to avoid that. I actually have relatives living in Russia that probably would help me out but I don't accept favors from anyone. Such a thought disgusts me.

Hans.KK
07-06-2013, 00:03
I was hoping to avoid that.Then you have to go for TRP and then PRP by an other route.

There is some basic you need (not exhaustive):
You need a place to live, a place where you can be registrated in a official way, without that no TRP/PRP.

You need to make a living (official income = pay tax), or have some money in the bank (5-10k USD, if you cant tell where you got the money = 30% tax of them), without that no TRP/PRP.

You could also start to find a job that will hire and in that way get a working permit and go for TRP/PRP later.

Russophilia
07-06-2013, 00:34
Then you have to go for TRP and then PRP by an other route.

What do those stand for?


There is some basic you need (not exhaustive):
You need a place to live, a place where you can be registrated in a official way, without that no TRP/PRP.

Ok.


You need to make a living (official income = pay tax), or have some money in the bank (5-10k USD, if you cant tell where you got the money = 30% tax of them), without that no TRP/PRP.

You could also start to find a job that will hire and in that way get a working permit and go for TRP/PRP later.

How easy would it be to get a job and what is the workplace culture like there in general? I'd think it to be a hell of a lot better than here.

How soon can I expect to get a job? I realize the language barrier will be an issue but I can learn soon enough to get a simple sentence across.

Just a year before this new great depression happened, I got a $16/h job here in canada at age 18. Got it without a resume, without references, experience, anything and got it within a few days.

Now for the past few years with tickets, certificates and experience I got very little employment, mostly casual work that's not enough for a homeless man to live on.

The government is of course more than happy to blame the victims and falsify reality by telling us we have no unemployment or economic instability.
They actually count people receiving welfare as employed. I hope that's not why it says Russia's unemployment rate is only 5%.

Suuryaa
07-06-2013, 01:05
What do those stand for?



Ok.



How easy would it be to get a job and what is the workplace culture like there in general? I'd think it to be a hell of a lot better than here.

How soon can I expect to get a job? I realize the language barrier will be an issue but I can learn soon enough to get a simple sentence across.

Just a year before this new great depression happened, I got a $16/h job here in canada at age 18. Got it without a resume, without references, experience, anything and got it within a few days.

Now for the past few years with tickets, certificates and experience I got very little employment, mostly casual work that's not enough for a homeless man to live on.

The government is of course more than happy to blame the victims and falsify reality by telling us we have no unemployment or economic instability.
They actually count people receiving welfare as employed. I hope that's not why it says Russia's unemployment rate is only 5%.

What's your profession?

Jack17
07-06-2013, 01:13
I was hoping to avoid that. I actually have relatives living in Russia that probably would help me out but I don't accept favors from anyone. Such a thought disgusts me.
Oh, you must still be young and have a lot of principles; Russian women will really love you. Once you reach my age, you discover that being a "kept man" is the greatest achievement any man can attain.

Russophilia
07-06-2013, 01:37
What's your profession?

Whatever I can get my hands on. I only have a highschool diploma, a GED actually.


Oh, you must still be young

Yes and don't plan on wasting my youth any more in this rotten country. I should've left immediately after losing my first and only full time job I ever had. $10 grand in my pocket would've been more than enough to settle elsewhere including Russia but who the **** thinks of emigrating to a place where you don't speak the language at 18?


and have a lot of principles; Russian women will really love you.

Haha, and I love Russian women. Most open-minded hotties on the planet. I already have a girlfriend who lives with her parents and they've moved around a lot but never into a foreign language nation. She's always eager about traveling and seeing new places/people but her outlook is a little childish. It's all a game to her so i'm not sure if our goals are mutual. It'll take a few more years before minimum wage slavery also ****s her up psychologically like it did me before she'll really understand the world she's living in. .-.


Once you reach my age, you discover that being a "kept man" is the greatest achievement any man can attain.

Anything that isn't independence is not an achievement for me.

Jack17
07-06-2013, 01:57
Anything that isn't independence is not an achievement for me.

If it's "independence" you want, then stick with hookers. You see, I'll let you in on a little secret: whether you pay or she does, you lose your independence either way. Just sayin' . . . Anyway, good luck to you. Don't let the nay sayers get you down - there's always a way.

Alan65
07-06-2013, 02:03
How realistic is it for an unskilled worker who cannot speak the language to move to Russia without any connections or support from relatives and just maybe a couple thousand in his pocket?

I want to move out of this crippled, dying West, elsewhere including Russia to find peace. The low unemployment rate and continual economic growth looks great but I wanna hear it from people, not statistics.

Oh for goodness sake....just get a flight and wing it....thats what we all did.....asking for advice for your dream.

Russophilia
07-06-2013, 03:21
If it's "independence" you want, then stick with hookers. You see, I'll let you in on a little secret: whether you pay or she does, you lose your independence either way. Just sayin' . . . Anyway, good luck to you. Don't let the nay sayers get you down - there's always a way.

I'm in a relationship, I can't do that.


Oh for goodness sake....just get a flight and wing it....thats what we all did.....asking for advice for your dream.

Problem: no money.
Even if I did, it would run out if I couldn't find a job right away and I'm still making sure it'll be a wise decision.

At least in the place I'm at right now, I can survive a long time with low funds because it's cheap as shit to live here. I'm in low rent housing and splitting the rent with my stupid **** stepfather. 9 months of work lasts me 3 years here.

What is the typical low-end salary and rent for one-bedroom apartment in Russia?

The unreliable Numbeo.com says average disposable salary is $700 USD and rent $600. Not looking so good. Am I looking at working and living on the streets unless I can be dependent on someone's charity?

Jack17
07-06-2013, 04:38
I'm in a relationship, I can't do that.

You mean, you're in a relationship and you no longer have your independence to see and do what you want.

Russophilia
07-06-2013, 05:09
No, but I do have an obligation to not cheat on my girlfriend. Duh.

Jack17
07-06-2013, 05:27
Right.

xSnoofovich
07-06-2013, 10:55
seriously, just buy a ticket and come on over. like alan said.......

ull prob crash and burn, but thats just part of the experience.

Hans.KK
07-06-2013, 11:04
What do those stand for?
You had not been reading this forum that long?
TRP is "Temporary Residence Permit".
PRP is "Permanent Residence Permit".

Emigration starts with applying for TRP, after some time you can apply for PRP, and then you can apply for citizenship.
Remark "Apply", you have to full fit some conditions to get this stuff, but read some more in this forum.


How easy would it be to get a jobYou thinking about a real job with all paperwork done and tax paying? Without any Russian skills, and/or without any other specialist skills your chance are ZERO.
But any job that gives some (small) money (you may even have to return half of it to you boss) and no tax, then you can start at any construction site (but you will most likely not make enough for you to keep your TRP/PRP)


and what is the workplace culture like there in general? I'd think it to be a hell of a lot better than here.There is tons of unnecessary bureaucracy and strong pecking order.


How soon can I expect to get a job?No Russian language, no specialist skills = late, very late, unlees you know somebody that can give you a position

I realize the language barrier will be an issue but I can learn soon enough to get a simple sentence across.Start learning Russian now, go to Russia as a tourist and see and feel your self.

inorcist
07-06-2013, 11:05
well, personally, I think you're idea is a bit naive.

but then again, what do you have to lose? you'll always be able to return home.

AstarD
07-06-2013, 11:34
The typical salary for unskilled work here, by people who speak the language, is 20,000 rubles per month. That is about 700 US dollars (I think the loon is on par with the USD now, isn't it?).

Monthly rent for one room in Moscow(not an apartment), 20 minutes by bus from the nearest metro, is about 20,000 rubles.

It's not obvious you could even get a work permit to remain and work, because you don't have a necessary skill or the education to back it up. The Russian government demands to see your apostilled educational certificates (they like university level) to justify why any company needs a foreigner.

rugbymad
07-06-2013, 11:54
Not a chance, really mate. There are millions of people from the CIS nations who'd be happy to do any work you will for a tenth of the cash. Most of them probably speak Russian too, at least a bit. Russia has been tightening up on labor laws, and even working here for those of us who are qualified, Russian-speaking etc. is getting harder. Find somewhere else would be my advice.

Russophilia
07-06-2013, 12:02
You had not been reading this forum that long?
TRP is "Temporary Residence Permit".
PRP is "Permanent Residence Permit".

Not at all, lol. I had it bookmarked, I forgot where I found the link. There are several places I thought about emigrating and Russia indeed has very good economic growth but the CURRENT situation still looks shitty and I'm not convinced it's any better than this crippled West which is on the other hand dying.


Emigration starts with applying for TRP, after some time you can apply for PRP, and then you can apply for citizenship.
Remark "Apply", you have to full fit some conditions to get this stuff, but read some more in this forum.

I didnt mention it in my first post but I am an ethnic serb and my people have free entry to Russia but the problem is that I hold the citizenship of shitty canada so it'll be hard to prove my ethnicity and I imagine i'll be dealing with the exact same hassling emigration paperwork that anyone else would.


You thinking about a real job with all paperwork done and tax paying? Without any Russian skills, and/or without any other specialist skills your chance are ZERO.

I see.


But any job that gives some (small) money (you may even have to return half of it to you boss) and no tax, then you can start at any construction site (but you will most likely not make enough for you to keep your TRP/PRP)

ok.


There is tons of unnecessary bureaucracy and strong pecking order.

I'm not sure if Russia practices the deontology or consequentialist approach but either of those are far more tolerable than this intrusive, annoying-as-**** workplace culture here in the west. Last year I broke a guy's nose in a construction job. These dumb **** canadians just dont understand the meaning of overstepping their boundaries. I grew up in this shit culture and still I'm a ****ing foreigner to it.

As long as people tend to their obligations and are even half as nosey as westerners tend to be it'll be a major ****in relief. But if expected working-class salaries in Russia are half of what you'd pay for a one bedroom suite i'm essentially working and living on the street unless i'm willing to depend on someones charity. What bullshit.


No Russian language, no specialist skills = late, very late, unlees you know somebody that can give you a position
Start learning Russian now, go to Russia as a tourist and see and feel your self.

I've been to moscow once actually a long time ago with my mom. It was a combination of all the great luxuries you get to experience as a tourist, like visiting the kremlin, and getting to see the mass homeless misery of beggars and underweight children. Sigh...
I heard Putin brought things forward a lot since then, wages doubling every year, unemployment decreasing and everything but it sounds Russia still hasn't become the land of opportunities like I hoped it'd be.

Oh well.


well, personally, I think you're idea is a bit naive.

but then again, what do you have to lose? you'll always be able to return home.

I don't have a home. Never did.


The typical salary for unskilled work here, by people who speak the language, is 20,000 rubles per month. That is about 700 US dollars (I think the loon is on par with the USD now, isn't it?).

Monthly rent for one room in Moscow(not an apartment), 20 minutes by bus from the nearest metro, is about 20,000 rubles.

Yes, that's exactly what Numbeo.com also reported when I looked at it. Didn't look too promising which is why I asked here.

Guess I could try Sweden. I heard they are morons who let anyone in with no questions asked and they're being bombed by terrorists every day cuz they never did a single background check on their immigrants. Hahaha.

xSnoofovich
07-06-2013, 12:07
here is what you do.

sign up for bar tending classes. get ur cert.

then come to russia and get a job at an expat bar. as long as u can tell a good joke, it should work out. u wont need russian, either

FatAndy
07-06-2013, 12:26
and underweight children. Sigh...
Underweight? In MOSCOW? :jawdrop:
I can believe for 199x somewhere in Zabaikal'ye, but...


I heard Putin brought things forward a lot since then
It's true, but not only Putin - a lot of people have contributed.


wages doubling every year
Where? :suspect: Here in Russia? I like your optimizzzzm... :D


unemployment decreasing
Claimed unemployment - yes. Hidden one is generally stable.


it sounds Russia still hasn't become the land of opportunities like I hoped it'd be.
Expectations never meet reality. Especially if expectations were built on other ppl opinions.

If you're ethnic Serb, Russian language will be less problem for you, at least because of Cyrillic alphabet and same language group. Try to find free Internet resources for learning.

And, be sure, if you prefer to break nose instead of talking/dealing, in Russia it is much less tolerated. Expect inforced reaction. Of course our primary medical help is still free, but...
;)

Hayley
07-06-2013, 12:29
Not at all, lol. I had it bookmarked, I forgot where I found the link. There are several places I thought about emigrating and Russia indeed has very good economic growth but the CURRENT situation still looks shitty and I'm not convinced it's any better than this crippled West which is on the other hand dying.



I didnt mention it in my first post but I am an ethnic serb and my people have free entry to Russia but the problem is that I hold the citizenship of shitty canada so it'll be hard to prove my ethnicity and I imagine i'll be dealing with the exact same hassling emigration paperwork that anyone else would.



I see.



ok.



I'm not sure if Russia practices the deontology or consequentialist approach but either of those are far more tolerable than this intrusive, annoying-as-**** workplace culture here in the west. Last year I broke a guy's nose in a construction job. These dumb **** canadians just dont understand the meaning of overstepping their boundaries. I grew up in this shit culture and still I'm a ****ing foreigner to it.

As long as people tend to their obligations and are even half as nosey as westerners tend to be it'll be a major ****in relief. But if expected working-class salaries in Russia are half of what you'd pay for a one bedroom suite i'm essentially working and living on the street unless i'm willing to depend on someones charity. What bullshit.



I've been to moscow once actually a long time ago with my mom. It was a combination of all the great luxuries you get to experience as a tourist, like visiting the kremlin, and getting to see the mass homeless misery of beggars and underweight children. Sigh...
I heard Putin brought things forward a lot since then, wages doubling every year, unemployment decreasing and everything but it sounds Russia still hasn't become the land of opportunities like I hoped it'd be.

Oh well.



I don't have a home. Never did.



Yes, that's exactly what Numbeo.com also reported when I looked at it. Didn't look too promising which is why I asked here.

Guess I could try Sweden. I heard they are morons who let anyone in with no questions asked and they're being bombed by terrorists every day cuz they never did a single background check on their immigrants. Hahaha.

First of all I say - go for it! Russia is the new America - remember that movie Big Fat Greek Wedding = "I came to this country with 8 dollars in my pocket" - when he is giving his daughter a house for her wedding so yes - anything is possible.

Come and teach - they take anybody - once you are settled you can look for more options. And I would say try St.Petersburg over Moscow - as it is significantly more reasonable.

AstarD
07-06-2013, 12:36
Come and teach - they take anybody - once you are settled you can look for more options. And I would say try St.Petersburg over Moscow - as it is significantly more reasonable.
Teach English? Without any education? They don't take just anybody anymore.

Hayley
07-06-2013, 12:48
Teach English? Without any education? They don't take just anybody anymore.

Make a nice legend and they WILL take you - for some conversational classes where you need to talk only, especially where young school kids are involved - it will be sufficient the native speaker talks anything to them.

And another idea - you can prepare Russians for their immigration to Canada - charge them like 1000-2000 roubles an hour for your consulting and advice:))) you can tell them how things work there, teach them some Canadian English and so on:))):beerbros:

TolkoRaz
07-06-2013, 12:52
Make a nice legend and they WILL take you - for some conversational classes where you need to talk only, especially where young school kids are involved - it will be sufficient the native speaker talks anything to them.:beerbros:

A very suspect use of the word 'legend'! ;)

Suuryaa
07-06-2013, 13:07
You can also teach English online. In Russia there's quite a big demand for that. Although you are not a teacher, you can give some conversational practice.

TolkoRaz
07-06-2013, 15:13
Mrs Putin is also looking for a new husband, so there could be an opportunity there! :D

Alan65
07-06-2013, 15:37
Mrs Putin is also looking for a new husband, so there could be an opportunity there! :D

I hear there are lots of opportunities i the divorcee industry, but he will have a tough time challenging the Turks :D

yakspeare
07-06-2013, 16:15
Teach English? Without any education? They don't take just anybody anymore.

Speak English and have a heart beat-you can find work teaching English no sweat.

Jack17
07-06-2013, 17:40
Of course, do what pleases you; but I'm trying to think why someone from Canada would want to immigrate to Russia. I can only think of 4 reasons:

a) Someone offered you a lot of money at a low tax rate to work there,
b) The girls,
c) You love the Russian language and literature, or
d) You love Russian ballet and opera.

I can't think of any other good reasons and none of the above seems to apply to you. I mean, Russians aren't especially friendly to strangers, the climate is abysmal, and the job prospects (beyond teaching English) are poor. If you're looking for "peace" have you thought of Nicaragua, Belize, Panama or Uruguay? Their weather is better and it's much more "peaceful" in those countries. Of course, you can do what most Canadians do and just rent a condo in Miami.

pm7405
07-06-2013, 18:46
My main question here is why will Russia (or any other country for that matter) be the land of opportunity for someone with no skills and a bad attitude.

You would be better off thinking about developing some skills before you simply hit the road and blame everything bad in your life on the West. This probably means working for low pay (or no pay) at first but mate, you are young and have no experience – what did you expect? This is simply the way life works. First you get some skills and then you will get some cash. No one has ever succeeded without putting in the hard work first.

There are massive numbers of people that are trying to get in to Russia for work (for example people from many of the poorer CIS countries). These people have skills and by and large have better attitudes. Also, they will work for much less money than most and they are doing this so that they can send money back to their families to support them. They live in very harsh conditions but are prepared to work hard and in bad conditions to make sure that their families can live better lives. With no skills, do you really think that you can compete against people like this?

So my friend, taking this into account, what makes you think that by simply fronting up to Russia without any skills and a poor attitude that everyone is going to bend over backwards to give you a job.

In short, you need to get realistic. Get some skills and experience and then start to think about next steps. This means looking for jobs where you live that will give you some skills. Don’t try and do it backwards. It simply won’t work and soon enough, you will be back saying the same things about Russia. The only difference is that you will be older and in a different country to the one you are in now.

Sorry if this sounds harsh but that is the way life is sometimes.

Alan65
07-06-2013, 20:11
My main question here is why will Russia (or any other country for that matter) be the land of opportunity for someone with no skills and a bad attitude.

You would be better off thinking about developing some skills before you simply hit the road and blame everything bad in your life on the West. This probably means working for low pay (or no pay) at first but mate, you are young and have no experience – what did you expect? This is simply the way life works. First you get some skills and then you will get some cash. No one has ever succeeded without putting in the hard work first.

There are massive numbers of people that are trying to get in to Russia for work (for example people from many of the poorer CIS countries). These people have skills and by and large have better attitudes. Also, they will work for much less money than most and they are doing this so that they can send money back to their families to support them. They live in very harsh conditions but are prepared to work hard and in bad conditions to make sure that their families can live better lives. With no skills, do you really think that you can compete against people like this?

So my friend, taking this into account, what makes you think that by simply fronting up to Russia without any skills and a poor attitude that everyone is going to bend over backwards to give you a job.

In short, you need to get realistic. Get some skills and experience and then start to think about next steps. This means looking for jobs where you live that will give you some skills. Don’t try and do it backwards. It simply won’t work and soon enough, you will be back saying the same things about Russia. The only difference is that you will be older and in a different country to the one you are in now.

Sorry if this sounds harsh but that is the way life is sometimes.

Not harsh at all ....it is the reality of life.

Jack17
07-06-2013, 20:50
That's a bit harsh. It's possible to make your way in Russia if you are a native English speaker. Though he's too principled for it, if he's reasonably good looking, he could find a Russian girl to shack up with. I mean, if Willy could survive in Russia, this guy can - and Willy couldn't even teach English.

TolkoRaz
07-06-2013, 21:57
Speak English and have a heart beat-you can find work teaching English no sweat.

That is highly evident - there was one leading English teacher (no names here) who posted on this site regularly, but his written English was dire, even on a good day! I hate to think how his over-charged students now write, or speak English! :11363:

Hayley
07-06-2013, 22:42
A very suspect use of the word 'legend'! ;)

Oh come on - its all about how you sell yourself - marketing - the backbone of modern capitalism. Who cares about some piece of paper - if you have what it takes to teach then you will have absolutely no problem finding people who will want to hire you.

TolkoRaz
07-06-2013, 22:52
Oh come on - its all about how you sell yourself - marketing - the backbone of modern capitalism. Who cares about some piece of paper - if you have what it takes to teach then you will have absolutely no problem finding people who will want to hire you.

How very true, especially in a land of very wealthy parents who want their darling children to learn English from a native speaker :10310:

Russophilia
08-06-2013, 08:20
Underweight? In MOSCOW? :jawdrop:
I can believe for 199x somewhere in Zabaikal'ye, but...

It was back in 1999. Hopefully things have improved. I remember seeing one underweight 7-year-old kid begging for money while rocking an 18 month old baby. Was really hard seeing. It was a ****ing crime to think my mother, the most shallow whore you can imagine touring the place like she's goddamn royalty, bringing me for the ride and she's not half as intelligent as most of the desperate people we walked by.
God bless places like Vancouver and Sweden who recruit the most worthless of our species and give them welfare for life.


Where? :suspect: Here in Russia? I like your optimizzzzm... :D

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/wages
Dunno if this is reliable though. I put starting range to january 1990 and it says average salary was 0-20 rubles a month from 1990-2000? wtf?????


Claimed unemployment - yes. Hidden one is generally stable.

Oh you mean Russia does what Canada does and counts people on welfare as employed. I swear to god such bureaucrats should be shot.


If you're ethnic Serb, Russian language will be less problem for you, at least because of Cyrillic alphabet and same language group. Try to find free Internet resources for learning.

I do not speak Serbian fluently but you're right, slavic languages aren't a problem for me to learn. Cyrillic alphabet I can NOT read or write any faster than a certified retard and this wont really change. Being dyslexic sucks.


And, be sure, if you prefer to break nose instead of talking/dealing, in Russia it is much less tolerated. Expect inforced reaction. Of course our primary medical help is still free, but...
;)

I'm not a violent guy but when dealing with the usual ****ing animals these idiot Canadians are I'd much prefer gunning them down once WW3 starts and Russia takes over the world.

This should not a problem in a place where the people practice a modicum of civility and don't overstep their boundaries. I respect Nordic culture the most in this regard. They are silent, hard-working and pragmatic. Russian culture I believe practices the consequentialist principle a lot more than the deontology Nordic countries do. Both ring well with me.

But there's not a single workplace in the West that isn't intrusive, nosey and full of degenerate attention whores.


Of course, do what pleases you; but I'm trying to think why someone from Canada would want to immigrate to Russia. I can only think of 4 reasons:

a) Someone offered you a lot of money at a low tax rate to work there,
b) The girls,
c) You love the Russian language and literature, or
d) You love Russian ballet and opera.

I respect Russian culture and who could not love Russian women of course, all the ones here are fat and gross who lose their virginity to daddy in preschool.

But main reason I want out is because the West is done for. There are no opportunities here anymore and even if I did get a job tomorrow it's ****ing unbearable working with these worthless redneck shitheads. America is a third world country now after all and the wages blow. The rest of the world outsources labor from HERE now. I worked for a japanese company that opened a plant here because they pay shitty $10 an hour what they would have to pay a couple times more in japan.

That and I wanna meet Mavrodi and offer my affection and support whenever he wants to go through with destroying the West's economy like he promised last year. :)


I mean, Russians aren't especially friendly to strangers,

Neither am I so, I have a good feeling we'd get along very well. ^^


the climate is abysmal, and the job prospects (beyond teaching English) are poor.

Both my parents, who are both morons teach English for a living. I'd prefer to break the cycle anyway.


If you're looking for "peace" have you thought of Nicaragua, Belize, Panama or Uruguay? Their weather is better and it's much more "peaceful" in those countries.

But I love cold weather. If we moved to Latin America, my girlfriend's hair would be a fluffball 24/7 and she'd take out her bad hair day frustrations on me. Most of Latin America has the highest unemployment rate in the world and got crippled the hardest by the economic depression so why the hell would I move there? lol. They are nice people, though.


My main question here is why will Russia (or any other country for that matter) be the land of opportunity for someone with no skills and a bad attitude.

Bad attitude?


You would be better off thinking about developing some skills before you simply hit the road and blame everything bad in your life on the West.

Can't afford it, education ain't free here and I don't take loans nor favors. Capitalism is designed to keep you in the dirt after all when you're born in the wrong caste.


First you get some skills and then you will get some cash. No one has ever succeeded without putting in the hard work first.

West isn't interested in your skills, they're interested in your willingness to suck their dicks. People are hired for who they know, not what they know.

I am frequently rejected after job interviews in favor of people they fire within a month because they caused the company thousands of dollars of damage, and slavic people in general are known to be discriminated against and persecuted in the West.


There are massive numbers of people that are trying to get in to Russia for work (for example people from many of the poorer CIS countries). These people have skills and by and large have better attitudes. Also, they will work for much less money than most and they are doing this so that they can send money back to their families to support them. They live in very harsh conditions but are prepared to work hard and in bad conditions to make sure that their families can live better lives. With no skills, do you really think that you can compete against people like this?

Sigh... a race to the bottom, as if this ever brought prosperity for any nation in history. Who benefits from a system of exploitation and paying the lowest possible shit wages so nobody could then afford to buy their shit they intend to sell anymore? Workers starve due to insufficient wages, and CEOs starve because they have no customers anymore.


So my friend, taking this into account, what makes you think that by simply fronting up to Russia without any skills and a poor attitude that everyone is going to bend over backwards to give you a job.

You make it sound like a handout, dude. You go to a job to work, not to have fun.


In short, you need to get realistic. Get some skills and experience and then start to think about next steps. This means looking for jobs where you live that will give you some skills.

"Get some skills" i'm running out of cash and there are no jobs here. They've all went overseas to China and Russia and they prioritize for their their own citizens before their foreigners.


It simply won’t work and soon enough, you will be back saying the same things about Russia. The only difference is that you will be older and in a different country to the one you are in now.

Assuming i'd make it out of here first. Some places don't need a berlin wall to keep you locked inside.

Americans are flocking now to places like Sweden, Norway, China and Russia because of how bad Wall Street ****ed this country up.

Instead of establishing trade routes with China and Russia, Canada decides to fall with its neighboring brother. United fascists until the end I guess.

Russophilia
08-06-2013, 09:04
How very true, especially in a land of very wealthy parents who want their darling children to learn English from a native speaker :10310:

I'm not a native English speaker but I speak it more fluently than my native tongue. English is about the only thing from the West that was worth achieving. It's certainly the best language ever.

sis
08-06-2013, 09:41
People are hired for who they know, not what they know
Same shite in russia mate...

I like reading you posts Russophilia, it is keeping me entertained, dont let these other guys get you down. But unfortunately however, the fact of the matter is that Russia is everything you hate about Canada, but only 1000times worse, and these guys are giving you solid advice.

Russophilia
08-06-2013, 10:03
Yeah, I guess I'll have to look at Sweden or Norway for greener grass but honestly I don't trust these guys either. Sweden went to an extreme letting any degenerate religious extremist in without prior screening and now they have the highest violent crime rate in Europe and they are heading back towards extreme capitalism not because their socialist system had to be a failure but because they let in the least civilized people in by the masses (Muslims).

And while Norway is praised for being the least corrupt place with the most harmonious, civilized, educated people on earth, it turned out they collaberated with Western imperialists and had spies in several Eastern Bloc countries including Russia.

Nobbynumbnuts
08-06-2013, 12:19
Yeah, I guess I'll have to look at Sweden or Norway for greener grass but honestly I don't trust these guys either. Sweden went to an extreme letting any degenerate religious extremist in without prior screening and now they have the highest violent crime rate in Europe and they are heading back towards extreme capitalism not because their socialist system had to be a failure but because they let in the least civilized people in by the masses (Muslims).

And while Norway is praised for being the least corrupt place with the most harmonious, civilized, educated people on earth, it turned out they collaberated with Western imperialists and had spies in several Eastern Bloc countries including Russia.

Have you considered paradise?......

Jas
08-06-2013, 12:32
I was hoping to avoid that. I actually have relatives living in Russia that probably would help me out but I don't accept favors from anyone. Such a thought disgusts me.

C, u told about the low unemployment rate but if u got no skills, then how wud u get a job?
So what can u do?
Nothing.
But to be positive, u shud get help from ure mum or someone else in ure family cos otherwise how wud u live in Russia?

Also, why do u think the west is dying? Just curious.

Jas
08-06-2013, 12:33
Yeah, I guess I'll have to look at Sweden or Norway for greener grass but honestly I don't trust these guys either. Sweden went to an extreme letting any degenerate religious extremist in without prior screening and now they have the highest violent crime rate in Europe and they are heading back towards extreme capitalism not because their socialist system had to be a failure but because they let in the least civilized people in by the masses (Muslims).

And while Norway is praised for being the least corrupt place with the most harmonious, civilized, educated people on earth, it turned out they collaberated with Western imperialists and had spies in several Eastern Bloc countries including Russia.

C, u got the right idea, come to Sweden and get support from ure family.

Mmm, I just red what u wrote about Muslims and I dont like it as such thanks. But anyhow, I told how u can do it- family support and move to Sweden.

sis
08-06-2013, 20:27
Yeah, I guess I'll have to look at Sweden or Norway for greener grass but honestly I don't trust these guys either.
You know, one day you will come to the realization that it is not all about how green the grass is. Norway has the highest suicide rate in the world, despite having the greenest grass...

they let in the least civilized people in by the masses (Muslims).
Before I came to Russia I also didn't like the Muslims, but in Russia my only friends are Muslims. There is alot about islam which is good, you just need to discard your prejudices...

Incidentally, Russia has the largest number of Muslims of any European country apart from Turkey...

TolkoRaz
08-06-2013, 22:11
The Former Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) used to have a large number of Muslims until the Serbs killed a load! :10189:

TolkoRaz
08-06-2013, 22:12
You know, one day you will come to the realization that it is not all about how green the grass is. Norway has the highest suicide rate in the world, despite having the greenest grass...

Before I came to Russia I also didn't like the Muslims, but in Russia my only friends are Muslims. There is alot about islam which is good, you just need to discard your prejudices...

Incidentally, Russia has the largest number of Muslims of any European country apart from Turkey...

BTW, Norway also has the whitest snow! ;)

Russophilia
08-06-2013, 23:14
Sorry for the improper quotes, it's hard to do this with multiple posts. >.>


Have you considered paradise?......

What, joining the military? Maybe, but only to kill imperialists. I'm not too fit to take orders. I have no respect for authority you see. :)


C, u told about the low unemployment rate but if u got no skills, then how wud u get a job?
So what can u do?
Nothing.

Same way I got my first awesome job here at 17 with literally zero experience. Before the depression hit, this was a place of opportunities. Now everybody is losing their homes and its a ghost town.


But to be positive, u shud get help from ure mum or someone else in ure family cos otherwise how wud u live in Russia?

I do not ask for or accept other peoples help, period.


Also, why do u think the west is dying? Just curious.

Don't you read the news? We're in a new great depression. Incidentally, Russia avoided the last one altogether in the 1930s and for the most part avoided this one. That's not to say that the one they suffered during the breakup of the USSR wasn't one of the worst in the world.


Mmm, I just red what u wrote about Muslims and I dont like it as such thanks. But anyhow, I told how u can do it- family support and move to Sweden.

Your avatar says you are a woman, correct? As someone who thinks women are the most wonderful creatures on earth, Islam is a ****ing disgusting ideology. So if you are a woman and a Muslim i'm telling you right now that you don't need it. Free yourself.


You know, one day you will come to the realization that it is not all about how green the grass is. Norway has the highest suicide rate in the world, despite having the greenest grass...

Actually, South Korea has the highest suicide rate, Norway has just slightly higher than Canada. In my experience, most people who kill themselves are privileged, selfish bastards who have little if any idea what suffering is. Good riddance for those who don't respect life.


There is alot about islam which is good, you just need to discard your prejudices...

That's like telling me there's a lot about fascism which is good because it instills pride and solidarity with your race. Sorry but the only good fascist is a dead one.


Incidentally, Russia has the largest number of Muslims of any European country apart from Turkey...

Russia is a huge country, they have largest numbers of many people. Btw, you're the first I heard saying Turkey was in Europe. lol.


BTW, Norway also has the whitest snow!

Good, we love snow!


The Former Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) used to have a large number of Muslims until the Serbs killed a load!

>___>

I didn't come here to discuss politics but please educate yourself on the facts before participating in the propaganda and prejudice against my race. Serbs used to be the majority in Bosnia and the rest of Yugoslavia until the Muslims and Fascist Croatia in WW2 massacred a whole load, but you will never see a Muslim in the Hague indicted for any of their crimes, only Serbs.

Muslims invaded Serbian lands 500 years ago from Turkey and re-established it as an Islamic territory, forced many Serbs to convert to Islam or die. When we expelled them a few hundred years later, we did not expel the Serb Muslims like we should have and that's why we have the problems we do today with them and their seperatism.

In every major conflict the Muslims took the enemy's side and tried to exterminate Serbs. World War 1 they took Habsburg's side. World War 2 they took Hitler's side. In 1990s they took Croat seperatists side and imperialist West.

So please read history, it's not hard.

Hans.KK
08-06-2013, 23:31
Yeah, I guess I'll have to look at Sweden or Norway for greener grass but honestly I don't trust these guys either.You need a work/residence permit to work in these country, and most other country in the world too.
http://www.swedenabroad.com/en-GB/Embassies/Ottawa/Work--Live-in-Sweden/Working-in-Sweden/
http://www.udi.no/Norwegian-Directorate-of-Immigration/Central-topics/Work-and-residence/

Btw. the grass is not that green in Norway, they just do not have that much soil and the soil it is too far North for to say that they have seriously agriculture.

Hans.KK
08-06-2013, 23:34
So please read history, it's not hard.Please read about migration for in different country's, it's not hard.

Russophilia
09-06-2013, 00:38
Please read about migration for in different country's, it's not hard.

I know it will involve paperwork. I wasn't asking about procedural issues but if they are worth going through at all.

While it sucks here, I'm aware things could be way worse. It's a lot harder when you've been taking care of yourself since 15 like me and don't have parents to mooch off from.

mrzuzzo
09-06-2013, 09:32
Hey man, just get a job in the trades. Like HVAC technician or plumber or something, that pays really well in Canada.

Without an education and the language, you will never earn enough to live comfortably here. ($3000 a month is not enough to live comfortably IMHO)

xp@
09-06-2013, 12:22
That is highly evident - there was one leading English teacher (no names here) who posted on this site regularly, but his written English was dire, even on a good day! I hate to think how his over-charged students now write, or speak English! :11363:

We understand who he is, but he probably wouldn't.

TolkoRaz
09-06-2013, 12:24
We understand who he is, but he probably wouldn't.

LOL! :D You are probably 100% correct!

Hans.KK
09-06-2013, 13:26
I know it will involve paperwork. I wasn't asking about procedural issues but if they are worth going through at all.No one than your can assess whether the administrative paperwork is worth the trouble.
We all look different on the tropic of have to go through a lot of red tape, some do not see it as a problem, others just give up when they have to their birth certificate.

So the first step must be to find out about how procedures are for migration, only then you will know about you real chance in some country, and then you can estimate if it is worth going through at all.

But I really think that your problems is somewhere else, look at how you have grown up, this is probably the key to your approach to things here and now. You are most likely without roots, no story, no homeland, no family, your past is virtually empty.
Realize this and work with it, that is probably better than trying to escape from yourself.
Remember that you have most likely been through more than most people, it sets its tracks in your mind and soul.

Jas
09-06-2013, 13:37
Another 'genius' blaming all his problems on immigrants.
Pathetic.

I guess if we wasnt in Canada he wud be a rocket scientist or something, wud he?
Yeah, right.
And it was just us who screwed it all up..... guy with a nothing education, broken family life, and a big chip on his shoulders.

Jas
09-06-2013, 13:38
No one than your can assess whether the administrative paperwork is worth the trouble.
We all look different on the tropic of have to go through a lot of red tape, some do not see it as a problem, others just give up when they have to their birth certificate.

So the first step must be to find out about how procedures are for migration, only then you will know about you real chance in some country, and then you can estimate if it is worth going through at all.

But I really think that your problems is somewhere else, look at how you have grown up, this is probably the key to your approach to things here and now. You are most likely without roots, no story, no homeland, no family, your past is virtually empty.
Realize this and work with it, that is probably better than trying to escape from yourself.
Remember that you have most likely been through more than most people, it sets its tracks in your mind and soul.


No way cud U migrate to no place cos its a point system and u got no points.
Find a menial job like in a nothing company, have kids u beat up, get drunk all the time, go to neo nazi rallies, live in a trailer......

Jas
09-06-2013, 13:40
Can anyone do this puzzle?

Immigrant hating w_i_e _ _ _ s h

inorcist
09-06-2013, 17:43
If he comes here and manages to find a job that pays him well enough to afford a place and occasional visa runs or a job that even provides him with a proper visa then his character should become strong enough to move back to the 'crippled west'. ;)

penka
09-06-2013, 21:52
No way cud U migrate to no place cos its a point system and u got no points.
Find a menial job like in a nothing company, have kids u beat up, get drunk all the time, go to neo nazi rallies, live in a trailer......

Jas, what do you work with?

Jack17
09-06-2013, 22:35
Hey man, just get a job in the trades. Like HVAC technician or plumber or something, that pays really well in Canada.

Without an education and the language, you will never earn enough to live comfortably here. ($3000 a month is not enough to live comfortably IMHO)
I don't disagree with that; but I wonder then what is the average monthly Russian's income in Moskva?

xSnoofovich
09-06-2013, 22:52
I don't disagree with that; but I wonder then what is the average monthly Russian's income in Moskva?

1-2.5k usd (30-75k rub)

mrzuzzo
10-06-2013, 07:22
I don't disagree with that; but I wonder then what is the average monthly Russian's income in Moskva?

~2K but the average Muscovite has at least one apartment. Renting is the most expensive thing in Moscow.

mrzuzzo
10-06-2013, 07:25
Can anyone do this puzzle?

Immigrant hating w_i_e _ _ _ s h

Probably not a good idea to comment on a thread about employment opportunities when you yourself have never had a real job and your 'income' is what your family donates to you so that you don't starve.

Jas
10-06-2013, 08:21
Probably not a good idea to comment on a thread about employment opportunities when you yourself have never had a real job and your 'income' is what your family donates to you so that you don't starve.

Er, ure not smart enough to figure out the puzzle though.....
Tehe

I had a real job, thanks. I was working till 3am in a restrant and that was me profession and I loved it. We also got a family business- and I done that also.
I was working on the market with me mum from when I was 11, thanks- so u dont know nothing about me even.

Jas
10-06-2013, 08:22
Here's a clue then, its NOT immigrant hating white wash, white splash, white mash, white crash, or white flash.
What cud it be?
Duh.

Jas
10-06-2013, 08:25
Jas, what do you work with?

I'm not actually working right now cos I am aiming at getting published thanks.

BabyFirefly
10-06-2013, 08:26
I can't help but chuckle because I had the same dream as you.

Came to Russia later though, older.

I'll just say your dreams will be shattered. It's not as romantic as you think. The quality of life in Russia, if you're broke, is crap. If you're a well paid expat, one of those who come with flat, car, and schools for their kids paid, I'm sure it's wonderful. Any other way? There's no reason to put yourself through that at 18. However bad you think Canada or the US are, your life is much easier there than in Russia.

Yeah, things in the Western world are bad, jobs are scarce, blah blah blah. But those many jobs in Moscow are usually for Russian speakers, or Russians. Regardless of what people here say, Russians won't give good opportunities to foreigners, so, you'll have to find someone willing to pay your way into Russia.

Girls? Eh, yeah, girls there are great, but since you're 18 and poor, you can't afford to move abroad for a girl.

Wait a while. Get some skills. Learn some Russian. Then think about doing this.

Jas
10-06-2013, 08:27
If he comes here and manages to find a job that pays him well enough to afford a place and occasional visa runs or a job that even provides him with a proper visa then his character should become strong enough to move back to the 'crippled west'. ;)

Guy with just a nothing diploma from school figures out all about the west and the secrets of history.....

Or is it just another prejudiced loser looking for immigrants to blame?

Jas
10-06-2013, 08:29
I can't help but chuckle because I had the same dream as you.

Came to Russia later though, older.

I'll just say your dreams will be shattered. It's not as romantic as you think. The quality of life in Russia, if you're broke, is crap. If you're a well paid expat, one of those who come with flat, car, and schools for their kids paid, I'm sure it's wonderful. Any other way? There's no reason to put yourself through that at 18. However bad you think Canada or the US are, your life is much easier there than in Russia.

Yeah, things in the Western world are bad, jobs are scarce, blah blah blah. But those many jobs in Moscow are usually for Russian speakers, or Russians. Regardless of what people here say, Russians won't give good opportunities to foreigners, so, you'll have to find someone willing to pay your way into Russia.

Girls? Eh, yeah, girls there are great, but since you're 18 and poor, you can't afford to move abroad for a girl.

Wait a while. Get some skills. Learn some Russian. Then think about doing this.


Yeah, give this guy another 30 years and he will be on here lecturing us all on how to live in Russia and get a TRP.

Jas
10-06-2013, 08:30
Jas, what do you work with?

Er, a pen mostly.....

penka
10-06-2013, 09:39
Er, a pen mostly.....

Does it pay the bills, though? It sounds like a hobby.

xSnoofovich
10-06-2013, 10:30
~2K but the average Muscovite has at least one apartment. Renting is the most expensive thing in Moscow.

Just to be clear, Jack asked what the average Russian's salary in Moscow was, and you responded with the average Muscovite salary.

IMO, these are two different things.

penka
10-06-2013, 12:29
Just to be clear, Jack asked what the average Russian's salary in Moscow was, and you responded with the average Muscovite salary.

IMO, these are two different things.

The average Moscow (sic!) pension is about 10K RUB. Is it realistic to survive (NB: I'm NOT using the verb "live") on this kind of money in this town, pay all the bills, medical AND put something on the table not to starve? I find MrZuzzo's respond quite relevant, to be honest.

Jas
11-06-2013, 08:22
Does it pay the bills, though? It sounds like a hobby.

Once I breakthrough I will have all what I want, thanks. It's just a matter of time and not giving up.

Russophilia
15-06-2013, 10:27
I'm back. I lost my internet for a week so couldn't respond.

So I'm getting a really negative gist from all these broad, vague and random advices that didn't precisely take my situation into account. I guess I should've mentioned my ethnicity in the very first post.

The situation is that my people (Serbs) are almost unrivaled in all the persecution, discrimination, slavery and genocide committed against us throughout our existence, the Jews being the only ones ahead of us in this department.

Canada is no exception and I've dealt with nationalism since I was in kindergarten from these weasel-faced faggots.

Only difference now is they don't say it to your face as adults.

Job opportunities, especially the well-paid city jobs are exclusively reserved for their own and perhaps the Natives.

If I got a trade, which would take two years and really exceed the limit of how long I intend to stay in this redneck shithole, say welding, plumbing and the like, will not likely increase employment opportunities. Many Canadians even got their trade certificate and still spent the following years in their moms basement because the opportunities are so non-existent at this point it doesn't matter.

Most of the investment by this idiot government is in agriculture. They have to import skilled workers from overseas because the mismanagement here is so bad that their whole population is uneducated and useless.

Smarter nations like Sweden who invest in technology have seen their prosperity go so high that nobody works unskilled jobs or have children anymore, which is why they had to import a lot of immigrants.

But anyway, I do have several tickets and certificates that authorize me to operate construction machinery and forklifts but this I only took because the government subsidized it and surprise surprise: it didn't help me find work because everybody also took those courses and got those tickets when the damn economic depression hit. Back to where we all started.

The reason Russia is one of my options for emigration out of this ****ing prison is because it's by far the only developed country where my people are not treated like second class citizens and discriminated against. I heard (and felt when I visitted Russia with my mom) how much Serbs are respected and loved by Russians, which would be a hell of a culture shock.

Only problem is being able to prove my ethnicity and I'm wondering if its worth it, which is why I inquired on this forum what the general standards of living and opportunities as of 2013 are but the gist I'm getting is largely negative and the Numbeo.com stats for Russia confirm it. Average salary $700 a month and average one-bedroom monthly rent $600. Not good at all. The stats for Sweden and Norway look far better. A lot less poverty.

It's a tough decision, but I've made it before. I've fled this shitty country before. This time, I wanna do it for good and on my own accord.

Jas, I love how in all your subsequent posts you turn to being pretentious, defensive, accusing while of course ignoring the content of what's been said to you, which is that it's pathetic to subscribe to a religion that treats your gender like shit and douses you in gasoline for not covering your face. For this you call me a Nazi. May I remind you that my people (and russians) have suffered like no other nation during WW2 to fight the Nazis (which Muslims joined against Serbs) and exterminate fascism.

No need for further discourse between us. There is no use conversing with people who subscribe to the most bigoted, exclusionary ideology like Islam.

penka
15-06-2013, 11:28
I'm back. I lost my internet for a week so couldn't respond.

So I'm getting a really negative gist from all these broad, vague and random advices that didn't precisely take my situation into account. I guess I should've mentioned my ethnicity in the very first post.

The situation is that my people (Serbs) are almost unrivaled in all the persecution, discrimination, slavery and genocide committed against us throughout our existence, the Jews being the only ones ahead of us in this department.

Canada is no exception and I've dealt with nationalism since I was in kindergarten from these weasel-faced faggots.

Only difference now is they don't say it to your face as adults.

Job opportunities, especially the well-paid city jobs are exclusively reserved for their own and perhaps the Natives.

If I got a trade, which would take two years and really exceed the limit of how long I intend to stay in this redneck shithole, say welding, plumbing and the like, will not likely increase employment opportunities. Many Canadians even got their trade certificate and still spent the following years in their moms basement because the opportunities are so non-existent at this point it doesn't matter.

Most of the investment by this idiot government is in agriculture. They have to import skilled workers from overseas because the mismanagement here is so bad that their whole population is uneducated and useless.

Smarter nations like Sweden who invest in technology have seen their prosperity go so high that nobody works unskilled jobs or have children anymore, which is why they had to import a lot of immigrants.

But anyway, I do have several tickets and certificates that authorize me to operate construction machinery and forklifts but this I only took because the government subsidized it and surprise surprise: it didn't help me find work because everybody also took those courses and got those tickets when the damn economic depression hit. Back to where we all started.

The reason Russia is one of my options for emigration out of this ****ing prison is because it's by far the only developed country where my people are not treated like second class citizens and discriminated against. I heard (and felt when I visitted Russia with my mom) how much Serbs are respected and loved by Russians, which would be a hell of a culture shock.

Only problem is being able to prove my ethnicity and I'm wondering if its worth it, which is why I inquired on this forum what the general standards of living and opportunities as of 2013 are but the gist I'm getting is largely negative and the Numbeo.com stats for Russia confirm it. Average salary $700 a month and average one-bedroom monthly rent $600. Not good at all. The stats for Sweden and Norway look far better. A lot less poverty.

It's a tough decision, but I've made it before. I've fled this shitty country before. This time, I wanna do it for good and on my own accord.

Jas, I love how in all your subsequent posts you turn to being pretentious, defensive, accusing while of course ignoring the content of what's been said to you, which is that it's pathetic to subscribe to a religion that treats your gender like shit and douses you in gasoline for not covering your face. For this you call me a Nazi. May I remind you that my people (and russians) have suffered like no other nation during WW2 to fight the Nazis (which Muslims joined against Serbs) and exterminate fascism.

No need for further discourse between us. There is no use conversing with people who subscribe to the most bigoted, exclusionary ideology like Islam.

I get you.

Re Sweden. The locals (Swedes) would not rejoice at your arrival, precisely because of your nationality. Even if you had a uni diploma, you'd be forced to take an unqualified job, like a cashier. Some Serbs work like that, others try to go into business and succeed. I know both cases.
Now, if you are to opt for Sweden, do not go to the south (Skåne) - plenty of your former countrymen there, many are involved in some murky business. A practical thing to do: come for a visit and go to the Serbian church and try to make some contacts to feel yourself around:

Serbiska Ortodoxa Kyrkan
08 - 722 99 30
Bägerstav. 68, 120 47 ENSKEDE GÅRD

Also, you might want to try out:
Serbiska Ungdomsförbundet i Sverige | www.koreni.net
08 - 670 65 61
Nybrog. 34, 114 39 STOCKHOLM

You just might be able to gather some useful info from your countrymen living in Sweden.


Renting a room, look here: http://www.blocket.se/stockholm?q=&cg=0&w=1&st=u&ca=11&is=1&l=0&md=th

(Blocket.se - stockholm - uthyres)

You can put your own ad on this site as well, whether to want to sell smth, looking for a place to rent or offer your services. An ad doesn't cost much, about 15 EUR, I'd think.


Re Russia. Don't be naive. If you know the language and are ready to work hard, you'll make it. Nobody will wait for you with the open arms, though. Besides, there is some attitude circulating in Russia, wherein many folks from the former Jugoslavia are considered to be tricksters. Not everyone thinks that way, but it's better to be aware of that and morally prepared.

I do not know much about serbs in Russia/ Moscow, unfortunately, but you might want to look at that site: http://www.srbi.ru/diaspora/speach/, they got a contact e-mail. Maybe, worth a try.

Cрећно! (hope, it's the right word:-)

Jas
15-06-2013, 15:59
The situation is that my people (Serbs) are almost unrivaled in all the persecution, discrimination, slavery and genocide committed against us throughout our existence, the Jews being the only ones ahead of us in this department.

Canada is no exception and I've dealt with nationalism since I was in kindergarten from these weasel-faced faggots.

Only difference now is they don't say it to your face as adults.

Job opportunities, especially the well-paid city jobs are exclusively reserved for their own and perhaps the Natives.

Smarter nations like Sweden who invest in technology have seen their prosperity go so high that nobody works unskilled jobs or have children anymore, which is why they had to import a lot of immigrants.


The reason Russia is one of my options for emigration out of this ****ing prison is because it's by far the only developed country where my people are not treated like second class citizens and discriminated against. I heard (and felt when I visitted Russia with my mom) how much Serbs are respected and loved by Russians, which would be a hell of a culture shock.


Jas, I love how in all your subsequent posts you turn to being pretentious, defensive, accusing while of course ignoring the content of what's been said to you, which is that it's pathetic to subscribe to a religion that treats your gender like shit and douses you in gasoline for not covering your face. For this you call me a Nazi. May I remind you that my people (and russians) have suffered like no other nation during WW2 to fight the Nazis (which Muslims joined against Serbs) and exterminate fascism.

No need for further discourse between us. There is no use conversing with people who subscribe to the most bigoted, exclusionary ideology like Islam.

This garbage has all the signs of a Neo Nazi rant. Ure seriously trying to tell that the Serbs in Canada are suffering just like what the Jews was?
What a joke that is. So Serbs are discrimnated against, but Muslims are not? Er, sounds like its the same old white victim rant. Ure telling ure a Serb 2nd gen, yet ure also sounding off about immigrants?

I dont subscribe to Islam btw, so what ure on about when ure telling about dousing me in gasoline is just beyond me, thanks.

Alan65
15-06-2013, 16:07
I'm back. I lost my internet for a week so couldn't respond.

So I'm getting a really negative gist from all these broad, vague and random advices that didn't precisely take my situation into account. I guess I should've mentioned my ethnicity in the very first post.

The situation is that my people (Serbs) are almost unrivaled in all the persecution, discrimination, slavery and genocide committed against us throughout our existence, the Jews being the only ones ahead of us in this department.

Canada is no exception and I've dealt with nationalism since I was in kindergarten from these weasel-faced faggots.

Only difference now is they don't say it to your face as adults.

Job opportunities, especially the well-paid city jobs are exclusively reserved for their own and perhaps the Natives.

If I got a trade, which would take two years and really exceed the limit of how long I intend to stay in this redneck shithole, say welding, plumbing and the like, will not likely increase employment opportunities. Many Canadians even got their trade certificate and still spent the following years in their moms basement because the opportunities are so non-existent at this point it doesn't matter.

Most of the investment by this idiot government is in agriculture. They have to import skilled workers from overseas because the mismanagement here is so bad that their whole population is uneducated and useless.

Smarter nations like Sweden who invest in technology have seen their prosperity go so high that nobody works unskilled jobs or have children anymore, which is why they had to import a lot of immigrants.

But anyway, I do have several tickets and certificates that authorize me to operate construction machinery and forklifts but this I only took because the government subsidized it and surprise surprise: it didn't help me find work because everybody also took those courses and got those tickets when the damn economic depression hit. Back to where we all started.

The reason Russia is one of my options for emigration out of this ****ing prison is because it's by far the only developed country where my people are not treated like second class citizens and discriminated against. I heard (and felt when I visitted Russia with my mom) how much Serbs are respected and loved by Russians, which would be a hell of a culture shock.

Only problem is being able to prove my ethnicity and I'm wondering if its worth it, which is why I inquired on this forum what the general standards of living and opportunities as of 2013 are but the gist I'm getting is largely negative and the Numbeo.com stats for Russia confirm it. Average salary $700 a month and average one-bedroom monthly rent $600. Not good at all. The stats for Sweden and Norway look far better. A lot less poverty.

It's a tough decision, but I've made it before. I've fled this shitty country before. This time, I wanna do it for good and on my own accord.

Jas, I love how in all your subsequent posts you turn to being pretentious, defensive, accusing while of course ignoring the content of what's been said to you, which is that it's pathetic to subscribe to a religion that treats your gender like shit and douses you in gasoline for not covering your face. For this you call me a Nazi. May I remind you that my people (and russians) have suffered like no other nation during WW2 to fight the Nazis (which Muslims joined against Serbs) and exterminate fascism.

No need for further discourse between us. There is no use conversing with people who subscribe to the most bigoted, exclusionary ideology like Islam.

I only use Serbs to do all of my sh!t work like demolition, humping sh!t and filling skips, I leave the good work like painting to the Albainians and Bulgarians.

Jas
15-06-2013, 16:14
I only use Serbs to do all of my sh!t work like demolition, humping sh!t and filling skips, I leave the good work like painting to the Albainians and Bulgarians.

U shud give this guy a job, downclass type work. Dunno if he cud handle the physical side of it though.....

Alan65
15-06-2013, 17:03
U shud give this guy a job, downclass type work. Dunno if he cud handle the physical side of it though.....

He does sound a bit scrawny ....not sure if he could do a decent 10 hour shift.

Jack17
15-06-2013, 18:49
Besides, there is some attitude circulating in Russia, wherein many folks from the former Jugoslavia are considered to be tricksters.

Ha Ha Ha; are there any foreigners whom ethnic Russians don't think are tricksters?

Suuryaa
15-06-2013, 19:18
Only problem is being able to prove my ethnicity and I'm wondering if its worth it, which is why I inquired on this forum what the general standards of living and opportunities as of 2013 are but the gist I'm getting is largely negative and the Numbeo.com stats for Russia confirm it. Average salary $700 a month and average one-bedroom monthly rent $600. Not good at all.

That's in Moscow.

penka
15-06-2013, 19:24
Ha Ha Ha; are there any foreigners whom ethnic Russians don't think are tricksters?

There are. Russians are traditionally positive to and are curious of the folks from the different cultures.

Obviously, if you seek for your pals in the gutter, you'll get what you bargain for. Is there any difference to the USA? Or the professional smile on compensates for the moral sufferings?

robertmf
15-06-2013, 19:30
There are. Russians are traditionally positive to and are curious of the folks from the different cultures.

That is my experiences (outside of Moscow)



Obviously, if you seek for your pals in the gutter, you'll get what you bargain for.
значит: slumming



Or the professional smile on compensates for the moral sufferings?

не понял.

Jack17
15-06-2013, 19:32
There are. Russians are traditionally positive to and are curious of the folks from the different cultures.

Obviously, if you seek for your pals in the gutter, you'll get what you bargain for. Is there any difference to the USA? Or the professional smile on compensates for the moral sufferings?
I think there's a plaque at the Sukarevskiaya Metro Station that reads:

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

That's the Moskva I know and love.

The simple answer to some white guy searching for opportunity in Russia because he finds Canada too inhospitable is - fagedabauwdit!

robertmf
15-06-2013, 19:44
I think there's a plaque at the Sukarevskiaya Metro Station that reads:

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


Immigrant stories being collected (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/06/12/white-house-staffers-share-their-immigration-stories)

How to participate (http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_1322.html) (Green card lottery)


:drink:

penka
15-06-2013, 19:44
I think there's a plaque at the Sukarevskiaya Metro Station that reads:

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

That's the Moskva I know and love.

The simple answer to some white guy searching for opportunity in Russia because he finds Canada too inhospitable is - fagedabauwdit!

I do not know the meaning of the "fagedabauwdit". Forgive me my typical Russian ignorance:AngelPray:

I find it hard to believe there no such plaques in America.

robertmf
15-06-2013, 19:46
I do not know the meaning of the "fagedabauwdit". Forgive me my typical Russian ignorance:AngelPray:

I find it hard to believe there no such plaques in America.

You need to work on your sense of humour ;)

:rasta:

Jack17
15-06-2013, 19:54
I do not know the meaning of the "fagedabauwdit".

Watch any Martin Scorsese film.

24293

penka
15-06-2013, 20:45
Watch any Martin Scorsese film.

24293

Oh... then, it is a bad bad word:D

mrzuzzo
15-06-2013, 20:46
Actually Serbs are respected by Russians. Ethnically and historically Serbs and Russians are very close. Serbs have a lot of construction businesses in Moscow, for example I know that the Skolkovo school of business was built by them. They are known for doing quality work in that area.

Jack17
16-06-2013, 11:48
:eh:

Penka, I know you've been outside Russia for the past 20 years; but have you been outside the civilized world? Reading your posts I get the odd feeling I'm communicating with someone who's spent most of their adult life among the undiscovered tribes of the Amazon.

penka
16-06-2013, 12:10
:eh:

Penka, I know you've been outside Russia for the past 20 years; but have you been outside the civilized world? Reading your posts I get the odd feeling I'm communicating with someone who's spent most of their adult life among the undiscovered tribes of the Amazon.

I had a sheltered life.

Russophilia
21-06-2013, 09:15
I get you.

Re Sweden. The locals (Swedes) would not rejoice at your arrival, precisely because of your nationality. Even if you had a uni diploma, you'd be forced to take an unqualified job, like a cashier. Some Serbs work like that, others try to go into business and succeed. I know both cases.

How sweet. They'll shelter and protect those terrorists bombing their country back to the stone age, preach to the world the values of tolerance and multiculturalism and here they'll persecute my race. Is there one spot on this world that isn't ****ed up by some mental hypocrite anymore? May the all retarded Nazi dipshits get bombed and murdered by the hordes. They all deserve it.


Now, if you are to opt for Sweden, do not go to the south (Skåne) - plenty of your former countrymen there, many are involved in some murky business. A practical thing to do: come for a visit and go to the Serbian church and try to make some contacts to feel yourself around:

I do have an (American) friend who's as keen as I am to get the hell off this post-apocalyptic continent so we'd both have to make up our minds. He wants to go to Netherlands, Australia or Sweden. I'm opting out of Aussie. They are doing well economically and have awesome wages but a desert is not my climate. Besides, they are a fork of that sick Western empire and my intention is to defect permanently, not go to another one of their prisons.

I wouldn't mind Netherlands actually. He wants to go there because they got primo weed. I just wanna find peace.


Serbiska Ortodoxa Kyrkan
08 - 722 99 30
Bägerstav. 68, 120 47 ENSKEDE GÅRD

Also, you might want to try out:
Serbiska Ungdomsförbundet i Sverige | www.koreni.net
08 - 670 65 61
Nybrog. 34, 114 39 STOCKHOLM

You just might be able to gather some useful info from your countrymen living in Sweden.

Good to have this info, thanks.


Renting a room, look here: http://www.blocket.se/stockholm?q=&cg=0&w=1&st=u&ca=11&is=1&l=0&md=th

(Blocket.se - stockholm - uthyres)

You can put your own ad on this site as well, whether to want to sell smth, looking for a place to rent or offer your services. An ad doesn't cost much, about 15 EUR, I'd think.

Ok.


Re Russia. Don't be naive. If you know the language and are ready to work hard, you'll make it. Nobody will wait for you with the open arms, though.

I'm not a nationalist, I don't expect to enter some paradise where we are all brothers. All it takes is remembering the very closest biological relatives of mine (parents) were alcoholic scum. Rather, the reason Russia is of interest to me is my interest to escape nationalism that Serbs face largely everywhere else that's otherwise worth living for a member of any other ethnicity.

I don't want open arms or warm feelings, I want opportunity and peace.
I'm a hard worker and willing to earn my keep. But in the manner I've been denied opportunities over here in favor for some idiot they fire a week after, I've acquired a jaded perspective on work in general. I get the impression that it's a race to the bottom where whoredom outcompetes honesty, intelligence and hard work.

I have no problem learning the language but I'll likely never speak it fluently. It's my hope that the latin alphabet is more frequently used than the cyrillic though. My fluency with the cyrillic alphabet is very low and I read it as slow as a mental. D:


Besides, there is some attitude circulating in Russia, wherein many folks from the former Jugoslavia are considered to be tricksters. Not everyone thinks that way, but it's better to be aware of that and morally prepared.

Hey now, Russkis are more frequently stereotyped as being manipulative than my people, comrade. :P


I do not know much about serbs in Russia/ Moscow, unfortunately, but you might want to look at that site: http://www.srbi.ru/diaspora/speach/, they got a contact e-mail. Maybe, worth a try.

I'll check it, thanks.


Cрећно! (hope, it's the right word:-)

Good luck? Uh, sure. You get an A for effort. :P


I dont subscribe to Islam btw,

Then what are you flipping out for? O.O
You spewed a barriage of accusations, one of them being that I hate immigrants, something I never said. Since I'm an immigrant and an ethnic minority, that is uber-laughable.

Alan65
21-06-2013, 09:46
Actually Serbs are respected by Russians. Ethnically and historically Serbs and Russians are very close. Serbs have a lot of construction businesses in Moscow, for example I know that the Skolkovo school of business was built by them. They are known for doing quality work in that area.

Shame they never put the air con system into the last hotel I stayed at in Moscow......it only blasted out hot air.:idea:

yakspeare
21-06-2013, 10:56
Lol Australia having a desert climate. That is akin to saying to saying New York is a desert climate because of Utah.

Close to 90% of Australians live in cities within a few kilometres of the coast. Very green and fresh sea air. Lots of Serbs too. Even have their own football teams. 70, 000 Serbs in 3 cities with more of Serbian ancestry and plenty of Montenegrans too. Lots of famous Serbian Australians from tennis stars, models and actresses, football players, tv presenters, record producers etc. Contributed a lot to our society.

But then if you can't handle Canada, you might struggle everywhere.

FatAndy
21-06-2013, 11:53
Shame they never put the air con system into the last hotel I stayed at in Moscow......it only blasted out hot air.:idea:
It was the special torture room for those tender Westerners - a kind of revenge from Serbs and test from Russians. ;)

FatAndy
21-06-2013, 11:56
Ha Ha Ha; are there any foreigners whom ethnic Russians don't think are tricksters?
Yes, there are. Those we know as damned imperialistic spies ;)

AstarD
21-06-2013, 11:57
I have no problem learning the language but I'll likely never speak it fluently. It's my hope that the latin alphabet is more frequently used than the cyrillic though. My fluency with the cyrillic alphabet is very low and I read it as slow as a mental. D: Cyrillic is the alphabet and you'd better get used to it if you plan to live here. You see some Roman letters in Moscow and St. Pete, but it's not the norm. Lots of young people speak English and a few other foreign languages, but you NEED Russian or a constant interpreter.

FatAndy
21-06-2013, 12:07
I have no problem learning the language but I'll likely never speak it fluently.
It's only the question of practice. I know some people from Poland and Bulgaria here in Moscow and SPb who have came here, live here now for several years, work in Russian companies and speak Russian good although with an accent.


It's my hope that the latin alphabet is more frequently used than the cyrillic though.
No, and never will. Forget it. Some pointers maybe, with smaller and blinder letters.


My fluency with the cyrillic alphabet is very low and I read it as slow as a mental. D:
Practice, braza, practice and once more practice.

Vladimir1979
18-07-2013, 01:03
How realistic is it for an unskilled worker who cannot speak the language to move to Russia without any connections or support from relatives and just maybe a couple thousand in his pocket?

I want to move out of this crippled, dying West, elsewhere including Russia to find peace. The low unemployment rate and continual economic growth looks great but I wanna hear it from people, not statistics.

I have lived in many regions of the world and heavily jammed skin of immigrant. Of course as there is already written above, it is easiest to have good skills and a lot of money to immigrate. So you my answer to your question, in order:

1. No one ever trust 100 percent, people are not machines and not gods, they can not know everything and be objective, all their information is subjective and based only on human disparate pieces of information.

2. To find out what you need to collect a lot of different information from different sources about your question. Then it becomes already clear what to do next.

3. Russia is a big country and it is very different. If someone tells you about the uniquely Russian, so he does not understand what Russia. For example, one of the myths of very cold in Russia - Russia has a lot of different climates from arctic to subtropical in part, as an example of the city of Sochi and Anapa, that is, in Russia you can pick up a climate of what you like.

"In Russia, a lot of crime," - in different cities in different ways, for example in Moscow is not a very nice area that's Butovo, but you can safely go out at night on the street and walk anywhere in Russian cities do not have these ghetto areas in the United States or Latin America. But this does not mean that you'll be walking at night with camera in hand to attract the attention of the rich and clothes somewhere in a residential area on the outskirts of the city.

That is not to think of the stamps must clearly know the answer. Standard rules for travelers working in all countries of the earth.

In general, these myths about Russia very much, you need to clearly understand that but where it can be in certain situations, and where absolutely the opposite. So when someone talks about Russia clearly means he does not understand what is Russia, and even the Russians themselves are often wrong. Because Russia is a big country, very big.

4. The Soviet Union has left a very large legacy as Russia and other CIS countries. In the Soviet Union, all the people were in the majority were socially equal, that is, they were about the same things, salaries, food and years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, such a bundle of rich and poor countries as in the U.S., Latin America and Western Europe, Russia does not have.

This means in Russian social elevator is really working with the space velocity. During the year you can achieve great success, but it all depends on the person.

5. So you're asking how to immigrate without knowing the language and having no skills in Russian, as always filled up a bunch of Topicstarter unnecessary information, but the answer and no. First of all you are Serb and relationship to you is quite another, as you wrote, that you repeatedly harassed because of your nationality. Therefore, we can apply to the nearby Russian Embassy to the provision of political asylum.

This is not an easy path, but also in other countries of Europe and the United States. In Russia, too, is moving centers of political refugees, where you can live free for a while, and refugee status will provide an opportunity to work officially, you can see it on the news on the example of Ed Snowden :)

6. Another option is to start every day to search through the internet employer in Russia that would help make a work visa and help with housing. You have to be persistent in finding out a lot of options. Need to make a list and planned to move on it, sooner or later there will be people who will need your skills in the first place that you know English. A lot of different companies that send native speakers in Russia.

Google translator really cool (the text was written with the help of google translator, I am not very fluent in English :) ), so using google translator to compile a list of companies where you could work on many websites of companies if the partitions vacancy. And begin to compose a letter to send, you should be ready to communicate via Skype.

Constantly monitor the sites for job offers elsewhere publish its summary that will be told what you know and what you need and how to contact you. In general, you need to be persistent in achieving the goal of using the Internet, Google and Skype.

In my experience I have several times helped people who have lived in other countries at the same time I did not know their language and laws of the country, but still with the help of the Internet, Google and Skype find information how to solve the problem and help them in their own country without knowing their language and laws :)

It's not that hard, just need to be persistent, broaden their horizons and to structure the information.

7. Well, the most recent version - to get a tourist visa for one month, to buy ticket, to get money for food for one month to cook yourself or to buy noodles Rolton ^), to take the money for the removal of the room where on average $ 200 a month on transportation costs $ 200 and how much more is possible other expenses.

And go to Russia. Please stay in some sort of a cheap hotel or hostel and apartments at night they can be found through the pre-Internet, print and show the taxi driver. Accessible by public transport or by using the Internet and Google MAPS.

Also, some time you can sleep for free at the airport and train stations :) But in any case it is necessary to seek a cheap room where you can live for a month or more. We need to find somebody who would be issued over the SIM card and access the internet on the phone - this is probably the most important thing.

Or find penpals who also wants to live for a while in Russia. Four people can take 2-bedroom apartment. General separation of prices for rental housing in Russia is very high in different regions of different prices and also a lot of options.

For whom it's no secret that Russia is a very large number of illegal immigrants, as you Serb police on the street will not stop you. And generally just not carry documents, prepare in advance a story. Of course all these tips at your own risk, because now the authorities are beginning to tighten the screws against illegal immigrants.

With work also decide to issue a lot of work for such workers: in construction, HoReCa, medical record do not the problem. In general, the main goal is to get at least full of income and housing. And the most important thing to do is not spend your money on horrible.

It is necessary to make every effort to become a normal and an immigrant to obtain citizenship. Also a lot of options.

In general a lot of ways in Russia. And finally, what distinguishes Russia from other countries. My opinion is that Russia is the most FREE country in every sense, it is good or bad, but it is possible to understand many things in Russia as good and bad.

In Russia, everything is possible and it is no surprise...