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GlitterQueen
02-04-2013, 22:07
I am moving to Moscow at the end of April. I don't know anything about the city. I saw what looked like a lovely apartment in a new building on the internet but was consequently warned off the place because the area is a 'ghetto' for certain ethnicities. Which begs the question, where exactly is a good neighbourhood for a uk expat? Also, is it better to live centrally or on the outskirts of the city? Any advice would be gratefully received. Yes I will be working but no my employer does not provide accommodation. Thanks in advance. :12035:

Benedikt
02-04-2013, 22:46
I am moving to Moscow at the end of April. I don't know anything about the city. I saw what looked like a lovely apartment in a new building on the internet but was consequently warned off the place because the area is a 'ghetto' for certain ethnicities. Which begs the question, where exactly is a good neighbourhood for a uk expat? Also, is it better to live centrally or on the outskirts of the city? Any advice would be gratefully received. Yes I will be working but no my employer does not provide accommodation. Thanks in advance. :12035:


Strogino District - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
not to much but it lets you see where we are.
are you alone, are you married, have kids and the like?
because all that will let you to make different choices where to live. after all trekking across town to the british school ( if you have kids) is no fun indeed and you might want to liver closer by. if schooling is not a problem, but you want to have green, lots of water in summer ( and a place for skiing in winter) come to Strogino. The NW of Moscow. check out some of my posts, it is all there.
we live there since about 12 years, would not think to move away.across the road there is a 1000 ha park, in the Moskva river we go for a swim, we have beavers and fresh water crayfish there and they don't live in dirty water.
want to know more, let me know the specifics and i will answer, no problem.

GlitterQueen
03-04-2013, 02:41
Your area sounds lovely... anyway I am married. No children. I'll be working as an English teacher in different locations. My husband will find work in the city (we hope). Love cities but green grass and clean fresh water for a swim in summer.. that exists in moscow? I understand that the metro is fairly good value even over long distances and I dont mind travelling though I wouldnt want an hour commute into the city every day and most days i dont anticipate finishing work until after 10pm so I want to feel safe or as safe as you can in a large city. I like to socialise though a great restaurant with friends is more my idea of an enjoyable night out than a mad whirl of bars and clubs. We're looking for a decent studio or one bed apartment. I like the idea of living on the doorstep of the city and being able to dip in and out of it with ease. Again any advice would be much appreciated.
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Judge
03-04-2013, 08:37
Like the Chef said, blue line is OK, so is north green,orange and red. Red, as far as Sokolniki,(red line south is also OK) green as far as Voykovskaya and orange as far as botanicheskiy sad metro station, these places are about 15/20mins to the centre and have green areas nearby.



I like the idea of living on the doorstep of the city and being able to dip in and out of it with ease.
forget about dipping in and out, traffic jams are a big problem here..

FatAndy
03-04-2013, 11:15
though I wouldnt want an hour commute into the city every day :10518:
You're lucky in Moscow if your commute to job is within 1.5 hours ;)
And you're extremely lucky if it is 1 hour or less.
To be extremely lucky with your job at different locations in Moscow you you must live in the center. And it will cost.

Benedikt's idea about Strogino isn't bad - Moscow river is just entering the city there and is of course cleaner than in SE direction (exit). But of course everything is defined by your budget.

Lost in moscow
03-04-2013, 13:14
And you're extremely lucky if it is 1 hour or less.


I don't feel extremely lucky, I know there are those who commute far longer then I do but that's their own decision. I wouldn't even consider a job if the commute is longer then an hour in one direction.

If you're an asset to the company, there is always the opportunity for you to ask for financial help to rent a place closer to the office. Spending less time to commute means more time being productive. I know people who's jobs pay half their rent for them, which was not part of the initial compensation package I might add, allowing them to live within walking distance to the office.

Nobbynumbnuts
03-04-2013, 15:18
Yes light blue line all the way to Strogino is good, although you don't need to go that far if you don't want to to find good a area. I used to live at Pioneerskaya which is very nice too. Moscow river and parks close by. Short hop on the metro (most of it above ground) to Kievskaya and the centre.

xSnoofovich
03-04-2013, 17:07
To be extremely lucky with your job at different locations in Moscow you you must live in the center. And it will cost.



I disagree. When I was searching for a place, I noticed that the costs went up as the sq m got bigger. But, all things being equal, a 1 bd flat in the center cost the same as a 1 bd flat at the end of a metro line.

My suggestion is to find a place on the brown line, not the "very center". This will give you the option of taking a colored line, or the brown line, and being a teacher, you will spend more time doing what you want to do, rather than on the metro.

Benedikt
03-04-2013, 20:19
[QUOTE=FatAndy;1146790]You're lucky in Moscow if your commute to job is within 1.5 hours ;)
And you're extremely lucky if it is 1 hour or less.
To be extremely lucky with your job at different locations in Moscow you you must live in the center. And it will cost.



commuting time is cut considerably. therefore living walking distance or most 2 bus/tram/trolley stops away is for me at least, considered a must.
because of my work schedule i start in the morning when the rush hour is over and i come home when all is nice and quite.

xSnoofovich
03-04-2013, 20:22
Also, you can use yandex to help you do a "virtual tour".

I don't live there, but in-between mendelevskya, novoslobodskya, and dosteyevskaya seems to be nice place to live, and there are some nice parks nearby.

or even, somewhere in-between dosteveskya and prospekt mira and prospekt mira seems nice.

http://maps.yandex.ru/-/CVVYQIpE

I know in the summer, this place rents out little row boats.

http://maps.yandex.ru/-/CVVYQQoi

GlitterQueen
04-04-2013, 15:04
Really useful :)

Kartoshka
04-04-2013, 22:10
Interested to know which area was slated as a "ghetto"...

Wherever you choose to live, I recommend living within easy walking distance of a metro. I currently live a 10 minute bus ride from the metro, which is a bit of a pain in the late evening when the buses run less frequently and you have to wait around in the cold. A friend lives a 15 minute walk from the metro, which is a schelp after a long day at work.

FatAndy
04-04-2013, 22:22
Interested to know which area was slated as a "ghetto"...
I guess somewhere between Manezhnaya Sq. and m. Sokol :D Well, and "Rosinka" too ;)

kronik69
30-04-2013, 15:17
Novoslobodskaya is the best place near the center : small roads, no noise, all shops, supermarket ...

Uncle Pasha
30-04-2013, 19:12
Which neighbourhoods are considered "ethnic ghettos"? I have a positive interest in these. My interest I confess is of almost exclusively culinary nature. Interesting food stores tend to pop up in ethnic neighbourhoods. Information on this subject would be greatly appreciated.

I've so far been able to discover a small Vietnamese ghetto. I'd love an Italian one. Its been ages since I had proper olives or artichokes. But no, I'm not paying Moscow prices for these as as know too well how much they "really" cost. A Greek one? I gave up on looking for ethnic areas but perhaps newcomes have the benefit of a fresh look and can notice things we Muscovites don't. Please share info or observations!

elliott1993
06-05-2013, 20:58
I lived right on Leninsky prospect with the nearest metro station being prospect vernadskovo. For me it was perfect, far enough from the centre to get cheaper accommodation, but still only 20 minutes by metro to the centre. Plenty of shops around for groceries etc. as well as a few bars and restaurants if I didn't feel like going into the centre. Plus a taxi from centre are cheap (no more than 400Rubles).
I also stayed near metro station universityet, which has an Ашан just 2 minutes walk from the station for all your shopping needs.

mrzuzzo
06-05-2013, 23:22
Marino is just a bit short of an ethnic ghetto, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near that area of the city.

vossy7
07-05-2013, 01:06
We have lived in the Akademicheskaya area of Moscow for over 15 years
it is wonderful!

vio.la
18-06-2013, 00:25
What neighborhood is best if you are in Moscow only two months-July/August? Ideally I'd like somewhere near the center but am not sure what neighborhoods the "center" encompasses. A lively neighborhood with shops/cafes and near a metro would be nice. I am a graduate student and will be doing an internship in Moscow.

mrzuzzo
18-06-2013, 11:11
What neighborhood is best if you are in Moscow only two months-July/August? Ideally I'd like somewhere near the center but am not sure what neighborhoods the "center" encompasses. A lively neighborhood with shops/cafes and near a metro would be nice. I am a graduate student and will be doing an internship in Moscow.

Arbat

FatAndy
18-06-2013, 12:31
Arbat
Agree, but not sure if it fits student's budget ;)

mrzuzzo
18-06-2013, 12:32
Agree, but not sure if it fits student's budget ;)

Graduate student though...

Eduply
21-06-2013, 20:36
Hello!!! My name is Eduardo and I'm from Spain. I just arrive in Moscow and I'm going to stay here for one year, because I got job here. I would like to know if someone knows anyone who is looking for a flat as well, or is leaving and is going to leave a room, or if its looking for a flatmate coz another one left. Just let me know please, I'm very interested. Thanks to everyone

tiptastic46
23-07-2013, 14:09
Patriarch Ponds is a good neighborhood for expats. It can be pricey though. Central is very convenient for most things, but you def pay less outside. Also commuting can suck, so it would be wise to live near your office, or atleast a metro.

VicY
23-07-2013, 23:56
Marino is just a bit short of an ethnic ghetto, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near that area of the city.

Really??? Which ethnicity exactly?

To be honest, the phrase "enthic ghetto" sounds most weird when applied to Moscow. Unlike many other world capitals, Moscow doesn't have obvious "ethnic ghettos".

I'd really love to know which area was characterised this way to the OP.

mrzuzzo
24-07-2013, 11:12
Really??? Which ethnicity exactly?

To be honest, the phrase "enthic ghetto" sounds most weird when applied to Moscow. Unlike many other world capitals, Moscow doesn't have obvious "ethnic ghettos".

I'd really love to know which area was characterised this way to the OP.

Marino is "just short" of an ethnic ghetto, in my opinion.

Try walking home from the metro at night, chances are you will be harassed by some "guests" from the southern regions.

xSnoofovich
24-07-2013, 11:26
Marino is "just short" of an ethnic ghetto, in my opinion.

Try walking home from the metro at night, chances are you will be harassed by some "guests" from the southern regions.

This !

but i can't say anything about Marino. What I can tell you is that there are some seriously sketchy neighborhoods on the grey line to the south, unlike anything i have seen anywhere else.

besides, here is another take on it. my co-worker is trying to buy a place across the street from his parents. i guess they have an entire clan there, or will have. aunts, uncles, etc.

it only makes sense that over time, as clans come together, that moscow begins to have "ethnic" neighborhoods.

VicY
25-07-2013, 15:07
Marino is "just short" of an ethnic ghetto, in my opinion.

Try walking home from the metro at night, chances are you will be harassed by some "guests" from the southern regions.

Well, when I walk home at Yasenevo, I also get to see plenty of "guests" from the south :) Still, can't characterise Yasenevo as an ethnic ghetto of any sort.

RIKO
25-07-2013, 23:52
Agree, but not sure if it fits student's budget ;) There is a lot to Arbat/ Smolenskaya/ Kropotkinskaya. It may be in the center but most of it is not "elite". Many affordable places especially small studio apartments. Just need to be persistent when looking for an apartment.

rockchalk
04-08-2013, 22:39
I've heard good things about the area near Frunzenskaya, and the prices appear reasonable if you search diligently.